The iBUYPOWER bans: CS:GO's biggest controversy 

I love how when you guys get things wrong you correct them asap. Means a lot that you take this kind of journalism with a strong sense of integrity and honesty.

I'm the one that corrected the mistake out on twitter, mistakes do happen, nobody's perfect. But I'm curious how this one came about. Because there is literally no indication anywhere about cheaters only being banned 2 years by Valve and any google search about this points to indefinite ban. One of the first results when looking for banned CSGO players is the Liquipedia page : liquipedia.net/counterstrike/Banned_players And it has literally all the infos/references needed to correct this : ESL - On March 24th, 2017, it was announced that VAC bans would be equivalent to a two year ESL ban [1] In all other major leagues and events, players with a previous Counter-Strike: Global Offensive VAC ban are prohibited from participating ESL - On July 24th, 2017, it was announced that moving forward, bans for first offenses of match-fixing would result in a five year ban. Additionally, all players currently serving bans for match-fixing at this point would be unbanned [2] You saw this crazy info (where ? btw) that Valve prefers cheaters over matchfixers and you didn't care to check if there was a Valve event with known cheaters participating ? Literally any research would have corrected this in 10 seconds. I really enjoy this channel's content but this video was clearly done without the proper researches and that's disappointing. (especially since people can't do any fact checking on their own and run with anything they see in a video as factual evidence)

You guys intentionally put that out there to fool people.....Valve is more than just

Wasn't there a case of dota 2 players who match fixed in a fairly large tourney and only got 12 months?

Yes, one, "Solo" in 2013 he bet 100$ against his team and threw a game, it was an unimportant Starladder match. He came forward and admitted it afterward. He did get very lucky and was the first to get caught matchfixing in this "era" of Valve e-sport.(that incident created the "322" meme in Dota 2, 322$ being the grand total of his gain from his matchfixing) But if you look at the list of bans from Dota 2 you'll see that Permanent bans have been handed in every match fixing scandals (some players got 2 years bans but every time one or more of their teammates got permanent bans) So despite what people are trying to imply Dota 2 matchfixing is punished the same way as it is in CSGO.

hahaha thats true

I dont watch esports, but they are scumbags to do that shit.

@@LittleRainGames no they aren't, its a smart idea, lose on purpose and get more money even if you lose, but they were just so stupid on ow they executed it, you could obviously tell they were throwing live on stage XD, not to mention they had a snitch, but hell I might have even snitched seeing how stupid they were when they were throwing. I kinda hope the throwing thing makes a come back but valve for some reason has been cracking down on gambling...

it's feels like newbs trying to hide their haxs

@@GiRR007 Its not smart, too many things can go wrong. Not to mention they did it for a couple of fucking skins, and saying its a "smart idea" doesn't make up for the fact that they are still scumbags. They literally scammed people out of their money, also.. learn to how spell "throwing".. Are you like 5?

"Collusion isn't illegal, even if I did it"

What other sport would your career not be over, if there was hard proof of match fixing?

@@Imminent0Demise Football.. the italian match fixing scandal. Read about it..

It is tecnically correct, the best kind of correct

OTFox sexual assault, yes it does.

did think the very same. these guys could easily have made it look like a real match they deserve the ban. thx valve however, a great warning to everyone betting their money on ANY sportsevent.

@@Blei1986 ikr ffs that's just retarded how they did it if it was a close 16-12 or 16-13 loss no one would bat an eye but 16-4 I mean just saying that out loud is suspicious

Jamie Owns You do know that vac bans are permanent, they only got permanently banned because there weren’t any rules yet, and they wanted to make the fuck sure that no one thought to do anything similar in the future. Valve was right to ban them, it was their own fucking mistake mate. So the lesson here is: don’t throw CSGO matches like an idiot, why do I even have to tell you that shit?

I know this comment is old but there were gambles for the "winners advantage", for example you could bet 100 dollars that they would win by 5 rounds ahead or more

@@benjaminpont220 right it’s obvious valve wanted to use them as an example for people to see what happens when you break rules so they perma banned them even if they didn’t deserve that big of a consequence

Dazed said he didn't want to participate in it from the start. How the fuck did he get lucky?

Because he was still part of the team and i figured valve just wouldn't care and ban all of them

@@WiiSuper No, as the Video states Valve was checking their accounts for any kinds for trades with "more expensive" Skins.

@@WiiSuper they checked them separately

steel explained that the reason ska wasnt banned is that he hadnt recieved the skins yet so when the accusations started he turnt down any trade because he realized what was going to happen

Skins have no real world value assigned by valve. Other people assign the value to the skins.

@@xjudoflip7381 yeah but people bet real money on the games using csgo lounge Still think that swag should be unbanned tho :(

George too bad get over yourself actions have consequences if you were over the age of 18 you’d know that

@@rec0il_179 it must have been sickening for the 4 banned members of I Buy Power having to sit back and watch Cloud 9 became the first NA team to win a major in 2018 with who else but Skadoodle the only guy who survived the IBP ban

@@xjudoflip7381 I truly understand your point of view, but "I'm biased, because they were my favorite team, so they should be unbanned" is, idk how to say it, like not very well phrased... They literally are lucky that they didn't get fined for that, matchfixing is illegal, regardless of whether any tournament organizer has rules against it or not... I fully support the lifetime bans and I think, that a strict zero tolerance policy regarding both cheating and matchfixing is the only way to go.

He is still doing well.

Steel could have been more, look at his current performances with ghost Guy is a mastermind

Isn't he unbanned now??

@@trevc9177 only for non-Valve sponsored events. And he means he could've been something when they were still allowed to play at any Valve tournament and be good. Especially since they come from NA, which desperately needs better teams other than Liquid, C9 last year, or OpTic was in the past.

@@JasonJia11 that sucks for him but I suppose they had to make him the example so other young players won't make the same mistake

Heart of gold brother it was like 70 dollars per player

기린 aaaaand... you’ve lost any support on my end. You attempt to have a civil discussion and you begin throwing out insults like an immature person. And btw multiple bets of $1193.14 doesn’t mean more than $10,000; may have not heard all of it but I’m quite sure that’s literally not 10,000. As a fan of Brax, I’d love to see them unbanned from valve tourneys but I believe the premise of it serves as a strong earning yo future players who wish to throw. As they haven’t broken any current rules and there technically weren’t rules at the time specific to match fixing, they shouldn’t be banned. Obviously valve tells you they have the right to ban any person or account or inventory without warning, I believe that more than enough time has passed and frankly it seems as though you have more of an issue with people disagreeing with you than the actions of the players.

Oh no, not your support :'( "Cud had his 9 smurfs all place the maximum bet of 1193.14$" So yes, literally more than 10.000$ (I can do the math for you if you're not sure) This guy has been posting bullshit comment everywhere and correcting people with literally no knowledge about anything relevant here (and probably no knowledge at all, because I really suspect that he's a teenage baboon, a very intelligent one, but a baboon nonetheless) I have no problem with people disagreeing with me, people speaking out of their asses and making things up on the other end, thats a problem. And yes, there was no clear sentence regarding matchfixing, but you need a first to set a precedent so again, they are undeniably within their rights when it comes to this ban. And after the IBP scandal they have been consistent and handed permanent bans in every match fixing punishment.

기린 I’d like to add that I said I’m not sure about the specific amount and I literally asked you to tell me if you knew. Also, they did not follow precedent so why change it for the ibp squad. Why are you insulting me personally? Is your argument not strong enough to stand on its own?

Well, I had already told you that it was upwards of 10.000$ so you already knew that I knew.(and its in the video.) Also, you didn't "just ask" you basically told me that you were pretty much sure that I was wrong. (the polite thing to do when accusing someone of being wrong is at least trying to get some information to support your claim btw.) Now, please, entertain me, tell me where exactly did I "insult you personally" ? (if you want to cut to the chase : I did not.) But yeah, sure, I use ad hominem attacks because my argument doesn't stand on its own, even though I'm literally the only one that uses facts here. And they did not change "for IBP". First of all and I already explained this : 1 case was literally a fraction of the other in term of prejudice 322$ against more than 10.000$. (thats more than 31x the amount of money that was "stolen".) Secondly, this case put one of the biggest PR problems in the spotlights : Underrage gambling. Because lets not forget also that IBP stole a lot of their money from childs basically. This clearly needed to be addressed swiftly and in a clear authoritative manner. Lastly and I cannot stress this enough, they did not just "change" for IBP because after that they handed permanent bans for matchfixing *EVERY SINGLE TIME*. So stop acting like they had an agenda specifically against IBP it's not the case. If you change your stance on a subject you can't go back and change previous sentencing so its absolutely logical that Solo didn't get his ban changed to a permanent one. Again, he was very lucky to be the first one.

then cheaters too should be perma banned

or American Egg toss, or Tennis, or Baseball and so on

@@kaspernielsen9149 remember the Black Sox scandal, it is basically the same thing, and the team was disbanded and I believe many players were banned from the League after that.

Or boxing 😛

Kasper Nielsen I mean I don’t really think many of those are fixed.

Looool same

Me xD

Because no one actually love you that's why we checked steam HAHAH

I checked the app on my phone.

I'm at work, still checked.

what they did ?

If it were a sport such as tennis, football, casino gambling, etc. you bet they would've got that

They cant go to prison or be fined for match fixing for skins, because skins aren’t assigned value by valve. The players set the value to skins l.

​@@LoverBoyWalkermatch fixing is fraud, so real laws applies.

@@jurgenbuntinx1 It depends if the community wants to send them to prison because the value of every skin is decide outside of valve’s control

Coyce but on the other hand they should treat every matchfixing case the same way like the one in Dota 2...

Coyce and you arw talking about valves sportsmanship and how much they ,,CARE,, about the community hahaha look at what the cs community has become now full of hackers and agressiv russians and the tournaments are the only things that are interesting now in this community although the tournaments earnings also are going to questionable people (shroud statement)

@@faker3033 I'm not familiar with valve's games since neither play dota 2 nor cs:go, I was just commenting on whether or not I agree with their decision or not. At no point did I say valve is a sportsmanship caring company. It's a shame to hear that though. Counter strike has been one of if not THE game(s) to create esport.

OK here's the thing, if they are playing a regular season game and decide to throw, how tf is that bad. The game had no impact what so ever. I mean what about if they were to take out their starters and put in unknown trash players? That ruins the competitive spirit as well. Should IBP be a banned org because of that? If an extremely good team decided they are gonna fuck around during a season game against a comparibly trash team who tf does that harm? It is a victimless crime.

Xterial No, because thousands of people bet what was their money and lost it. Many people went in with 100s of dollars thinking it was an easy profit, all that money was lost because the team were to selfish to think about any other person than themselves. I agree that they deserve a second chance as of now, but it was definitely the right call at the time. Another thing to add is that people always want CSGO to be recognized as a real sport. Well, in real sports ppl get banned for life for match fixing.

lmao

THATS IT.

Style 1

Ure adopted lmao

@@porkieCS that... doesn't make any sense... your comment that is. And I look exactly like my dad... so if im adopted that pretty uncanny

Legohaiden Lol you took that shit literally

Im against it. If you dont make it a rule then its not a rule you cannot break a rule that doesnt exist. You cant punish someone for doing something that isnt illegal. Make it a rule then you can punish people. You cant just pull rules out of your ass when you feel like it.

true, but I think that a perma ban on swag is a bit much.

Same i dont play this game but i still watch these videos and some tournaments

Don't play, you'll waste a lot of time

@@noobslayer9291 lol Im more of an Overwatch Torb Player

I only watch and play CSGO except on this channel 😀Here I love to watch even Overwatch content 😎😇 this is youtubes best channel for gamers!

@@usrname1y def one of the best esports story telling channels

The ban didn't stunt the growth of NA CS. These guys cheating stunted that growth. You can't blame the ban. LOL

@@Svilly12 chicken and egg

@@yujiakweh Nope. There is a clear-cut cause-and-effect direction here. If they hadn't matchfixed, they would not have been banned. Cam Schares postulate that the ban was what stunted the NA scene, which makes Hot Dogs statement correct.

TziaYu that's like saying it's chicken and egg when you punch yourself in the face and get a black eye. Nah dude the black eye did not cause you to punch yourself

you do understand that there are things called "peaks"? there are also things that happen when you're told you're permanently banned from a game. like losing drive or motivation and just a general decline in mood and skill over time. i don't think dazed was a god or anything but he is pretty fucking smart and i think the ban just made him even more bitter and angry so now he's just too fucked to play at the top level. i do agree with the rest.

damn man

Timothy Lim lmao

Well in Valve's defense, match-fixing is considered a fraud and is therefore illegal, which is a pretty legit reason for a perma-ban

What about the hundred or thousands of people that bet on ibp? That's why it's against the law and they could have faced criminal charges

5 years is for non valve events he got perm banned

The difference is the 322 was the first "Fool me once" that ever happened.

dota2 management is more reasonable unlike fkin csgo's

It was one player when Dota was still new, big match fixing scandals have happened twice after and those players are still permabanned

because valve laid out matchfixing rule during TI4 (2014)

Solo did the 322 (matchfix) before the matchfixing rule even came out . So he was only banned for a year and now he's a millionaire playing for VP lmao

wait wdym

lucasvca valve should focus on fixing other things such as the cheaters and the general community

Yeah its super easy to fix cheaters and the community. lol Try making at least a bit of sense.

Also search pro player cheating in major in youtube

Dont allow betting, problem solved.

meanwhile cheaters on leagues can get unbanned

17, he was 17

They’re not good though

@@dfsempire2712 yeah aside from Steel in 100Thieves, none of them isn't really making a name in Valorant yet

@@keyframecatalyst3344 yeah some of them were talented in overwatch but left before is popped off which was stupid of them they missed out on huge contracts and a legacy.

@@dfsempire2712 tf 100t is one of the best teams in na rn, t1 has been struggling but in vct they beat v1 which was also known as on of the best teams in na so idk what ur talking about "not good" steel is a top igl in na shazham also was involved in this is now the best igl probs in valorant, brax has been choking lately but he is in t1 ska is also in t1 and is consistantly putting up numbers

@@keyframecatalyst3344 they made a name when valorant just started t1 was the best team around beta and just fell off it used to be tsm vs t1 for the best in na valorant during first stages of pro val

Oh damn. I didn't notice that until reading this comment. Nice

He looks like he's 14... no wonder these guys threw a match... they're not mature enough to understand what they did was unethical and wrong... esports will never go big because by the time your mature enough to make smart decisions your reflexes can't compete with the children.

@@SixDeadMice You have to take into account the fact that back then they were not paid salaries and had financial obligations which made for the incentive to throw. Many of them have shown remorse and maturity in recent years too. Stating that esports will never be "big" is an uninformed an factually wrong statement to make. It is already mainstream and has shown huge growth throughout recent years and there is no reason to think it will stagnate in growth.

@@zombler honestly I wish I could agree with you but I cant 2 yearsr ago (not sure) a peruvian dota team that had potential to be something matchfixed aswell and they are all perma banned within the same circunstances; also peru is way, way poorer than fucking usa lets be honest here those guys actualy struggle FOR REAL irl when it comes to money ps: im not peruvian

Reading that makes me sad

part of the irony is a single IBP holo sticker from kato 2014 is now worth 5x as much as all the skins IBP players received combined

its gambling money from idiots, its fine in my book

@@GiRR007 Same rules as in boxing are needed here, otherwise esports events for CS:GO could lose a lot of the respect they've gained in the last few years. Either treat it like a sport and ban players for fixing matches/cheating, or you can just forget people ever taking esports as more then a small time deal.

@@GiRR007 It's theft.

@@BenersantheBread no its not, you aren't stealing from anyone, its a bet, people lose money in bets constantly

Night Raven yeah, when they’re fair.

eh. swag was a kid that time. perhaps he was peer pressured into agreeing about the mfixing. i still believe perma ban is stupid

Unbanning them sets a precedent. Match fixing? Sure come back in 4 years time. Doping? Come back once they wear off. Cheating? We're sure you won't do it again, cone back tomorrow.

He was a kid? Wasnt he like 18 already? So he was already an adult and knew what he was doing. If he was 12 maybe then it would be justified lol

at what time?

@@gusfalk 3:29

@@zenvious5645 oh yeah haha, thanks

Why were they banned i dont get it ???

match-fixing

First of all, match fixing is a way for valve to lose control over CSGO betting scene, that's a big no from valve, everyone knows how much money they made from repackaging gambling into the game, this is prbly the biggest reason they god perma banned, in a word they touched valve's money. Another thing is, these guys are so brazen about the throw they were actually trying to lose, it's a dirt work could discredit the game among esport games, hacking and cheating are individual instances which exist in all interactive games, but match fixing isn't.

@@therocklau i agree but when valve found out that one of the dota 2 team threw a match they banned them for only a year but for IBP its perma. Like why?? And the 1 yr ban was after the ibp ban. I seriously feel dota 2 is valve real child and csgo being their adopted one

?? If anything Valve has killed the CS:GO gambling scene with skins with 7 day cooldown trade on skins etc. Why? Because it's disgusting letting kids gamble, you can still gamble on cs go games on decent websites that actually takes responsibility to make sure you're atleast 18yo and you have to pay real money, just like any other real gambling site.

Ah... The 322 incident. It was initially a perma-ban, but later become unban. I guess this gave other the sense that valve's ban aren't THAT serious, they were wrong.

@@OnoaCS actually no, 322 is actually before this if i recall. Its the first proven match fixing so Valve goes easy on him. There's actually more 322 on Dota, an SA team, and they, alongside the org, got banned till now

No, Solo was the only one getting a temporary ban after being found guilty of matchfixing. And it was way before the IBP scandal and it was a non important Starladder match. Valve has handed permanent ban every time after that. So congratulations Matomoto, you managed to get absolutely nothing right in your comment. How about doing the slightest bit of research before spreading your bullshit on the internet ?

기린 wow, do you act like this all the time. First you feel the need to take credit for the error fix and let everyone know it was you. Also, ummm he asked a question then stated they are inconsistent with match fixing bans. Which they are. They unbanned a player but not ibp players? Why, what’s different according to s different thread you commented on above stealing is stealing no matter what. Yet, valve didn’t even follow their own precedent and instead permanently banned ibp? What’s the difference, if stealing is stealing and they didn’t even make rules about solos throw, why should ibp be perma banned? Also, the ibp match was unimportant as well. They were already set, weren’t they?

First of all, its not as much to "toot my own horn" about correcting this (because it was literally done in 3 seconds with a google search) but about people giving them credit for correcting something that should have never been in the video if they did the slightest bit of research and more than that, not even spotting it afterward until someone literally corrects it for them. Its more me being disappointed in a channel that I liked more than a career accomplishment for using a search engine to fact check. Valve were not inconsistent, they started banning people permanently for matchfixing with IBP and after that every single time banned people permanently in each match fixing instance. You maybe have troubles with the definition of "inconsistent" but just know that Valve wasn't. (on that particular subject) And if you don't see how those cases are different just think for one second. The scale was different from an exposure standpoint and the fact that one case was an entire team conspiring and the other a player alone. One case had people lying for months about it and trying to discredit the people that exposed their lies. One case was 322$ the other was tens of thousands of dollars And finally Solo just had the luck of being the first. If you ask me he should have been banned permanently too, but it would be truly inconsistent from Valve to hand him a temporary ban and then come back years later to perma ban him because that was their new policy. I know it hurts because you're clearly a fanboy, but don't say Valve hasn't been consistent on this, you're just wrong.

You ruin you career anyways with this. No major organisation should (at least in my opinion) work with someone who ever engaged in matchfixing. They destroyed their careers all by themselves, that's not Valve's fault. They are lucky that they didn't get fined for that, in my opinion. It's something about integrity, and they clearly showed, that they had no respect whatoever, regarding the people who believed in them, or who believe in the competitive csgo scene in general. Even if it was just "them being young and making mistakes", that's not an excuse.

Along with the other IBP bois

Yes,but there's also no law against it There's now law that prevent Valve to ban anyone permanently So based on your statement and logic,we can't do anything about it either

Actually Match Fixing is forbidden by law and counted as fraud. So, they were lucky they had no legal actions taken against them.

@@Fandrir yes hell just being banned was actually valve going soft on them they could have given them whopping fines and even months in prison

yeah g2 has been suspiciously bad lately. kenny doesn't look like himself ingame

Wtf fair enough

@@mrc4meron well he got 30K in one half in the second game

@@44r0n-9 and they still lost... like wtf. Edit: I meant to say g2 almost lost

@@johnnycatR58 they won, idk which match you watched.

8:50

Yeah but ever since then Autimatic is basically carrying

Maybe not match fixing, but that is a sign of not taking the game very seriously, the thing that people call "saving strats"

Edgie

Retarted comment ever.