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The Empire is well known for having many flawed capital ships, perhaps exemplified by the powerful but somewhat silly Imperial Class Star Destroyer. But, what of the ships which WERE well designed. We'll talk that and more in today's Star Wars lore video! #starwars #starwarslore #stardestroyer
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@EckhartsLadder
@EckhartsLadder Год назад
Try Vite Ramen with 10% off by using code ECKHARTS at viteramen.com/eckhartsladder many of the renders in this video were sourced from Fractalsponge. All ships used, including the Kontos in the thumbnail, linked in the description. his site: fractalsponge.net
@aurorauplinks
@aurorauplinks Год назад
The lancer is going to be a key ship in a short animation i plan on making. i am still a noob at animation but i am getting skilled up as fast as i can. i hope what i make is pleasing to you and that you watch it. i am going to try to make a short series.
@Ushio01
@Ushio01 Год назад
Honestly the Lancer seems incredibly under armed for it's size. It's 20% longer and 40% wider than a WW2 South Dakota class battleship and that had 10 twin 5 inch AA guns, 18 quad 40mm guns and 60 20mm guns in single mounts some of which were replaced by twins. Based on wookieepedia the quad laser wasn't that different in size from the 40mm so for it's size it should be looking at 40+ quad laser cannons just for it's mid range AA with something larger for it's main weapon maybe a load of anti fighter missile launchers. I can't really call it a good design because it seems really vulnerable to swarm attacks especially by fighter bomber of strike fighters with shields which means they can tank a few hits.
@ImperatorRom
@ImperatorRom Год назад
I remember a lot of the details for these small ships in the Star Wars Rebellion game from 1998, their ingame enciclopedia covered all the ships, planets, defenses, army units, characters, etc, in the game. I played that game a lot, I had some ideal ship mix ratios. It involved a lot of Lancers, Carracks, Strikers and Escort carriers (as they get unlocked with the tech R&D), with the odd imperial and victory star destroyers, this would allow to carry an absolutely ridiculous amount of tie fighters, and later on tie interceptors... and also protect against alliance fighters. Swarm tactics for the win! Only later in the game, when super star destroyers and interdictors get unlocked, would I switch to a fleet with more capital ships, but essentially there would always be small ships to screen the big ones. Good times... now I need to play it again... xD
@Boulay96
@Boulay96 Год назад
Make them ship to Canada!!!
@silvercrescent1264
@silvercrescent1264 Год назад
what was that dog animation from?
@macwelch8599
@macwelch8599 Год назад
If the Galactic Empire was run by competent people, they would’ve won the war, and *just maybe* overthrow the Sith
@Neoth40k
@Neoth40k Год назад
I disagree on the Sith part, I don't think the Imperials would see them as enemies, since it was a Sith who created the empire then..
@macwelch8599
@macwelch8599 Год назад
@@Neoth40k yes the Sith did create the Empire, but I always felt it was a fragile alliance between them and the “normal people”
@shorewall
@shorewall Год назад
@@macwelch8599 Yeah, how many times does an admiral have to get choked to death before they start getting notions of a coup. :D
@Neoth40k
@Neoth40k Год назад
@@macwelch8599 The high-ranking Empire guys weren't normal people, at least they didn't have much empathy for normal people, so much so that Tarkin, Trawn, and others didn't care that they were subject to an old guy, obviously evil, megalomaniac and very religious in their eyes, not to mention that he has a general who calls him master and this one is VERY RELIGIOUS and bad
@darthgorthaur258
@darthgorthaur258 Год назад
If the empire had been run by Ecks noodle dogs from his fleet they would of won, but they would never of overthrown the sith that didn't have the tools.
@anthonylamonica8301
@anthonylamonica8301 Год назад
Honestly, _most_ Imperial vessels look competently designed when you go by the FractalSponge specifications.
@anthonylamonica8301
@anthonylamonica8301 Год назад
@@michaelandreipalon359 I _adore_ the _Assertor_ class Star Dreadnought, but it is _grotesquely_ over-armed. The axial superlaser is pointless; an _Assertor_ has enough ultraheavy turbolasers, as per FractalSponge specs, to boil the oceans of Mon Cala within an hour, and a generator to sustain that firepower for _days_ at a time. There will _never_ be a situation where that much energy output is necessary. Vong Worldships would _die_ in five minutes under that barrage! And we can't even _count_ the point defense turrets on the model because they're so proportionately tiny! It's ridiculous! EDIT: For reference, the largest UHTL turrets on the _Assertor_ are _bigger_ than the _Tantive IV_ was! The _guns_ are as big as entire capital ships! It's the absolute extreme end of the Tarkin Doctrine. And it is every bit as awesome as it looks. And wasteful.
@lukatomas9465
@lukatomas9465 Год назад
@@anthonylamonica8301 The superlaser might be needed to pierce through planetary shields which could stop even ultra heavy turbolasers and to have the capability to destroy battlecruisers and heavy stations at the start of battles. It's necessary for the Assertor to have that kind of power output to easily defeat dreadnoughts like the Executor and to equal the heaviest New Republic ships such as the Viscount. The Assertor also has nothing to do with the Tarkin Doctrine. The Assertor is designed for conventional naval warfare, while the Tarkin Doctrine isn't concerned with conventional war. It's about stopping resistance to imperial rule through the use of fear and rapid reprisals.
@peternordgren
@peternordgren Год назад
Throw big enough numbers on a space technical and it will appear competently designed. Now, as for _looking_ like serious Star Wars ships, Fractal ships are incredible.
@ryuukeisscifiproductions1818
Yeah Fractal Sponges ships look great, but the specifications for them are pure fan wank.
@anthonylamonica8301
@anthonylamonica8301 Год назад
@@ryuukeisscifiproductions1818 The fighter carrying capacity, when noted, is actually fairly reasonable. It's the _turbolaser_ yields that start getting silly. If you can build a reactor capable of letting you fire _all_ of the guns on an _Assertor_ Star Dreadnought, it'd be cheaper to rig said reactor to explode and then chuck it an an offending planet. _That'll_ learn 'em!
@owenparris7490
@owenparris7490 Год назад
I think the original Star Destroyer designs are picked on a bit too much lol. They're slightly silly, but they're cool and work for the universe they're in, and that's good enough for me. Also, I hope they continue the sunken bridge design from the fan ships and the First Order star destroyer, it's sleeker, more practical (I know I just said it didn't matter, but come on lol), and creepy in its own way.
@keveyson
@keveyson Год назад
The rebellion tailored it's tactics to exploit the weaknesses of the star destroyer. The ship was designed well as a ship of the line, and it carries a decent amount of fighters. The empire's failure was in not adjusting to rebel hit and run tactics. If they had built more lancers and better starfighters to support their destroyers and dreadnoughts they would have been much better.
@lemurking6896
@lemurking6896 Год назад
What exactly do you mean by "sunken bridge"?
@p5ychojoe138
@p5ychojoe138 Год назад
@@lemurking6896 the fact the bridges are not so painfully out in the open. They are closer to the hull and as such gives them a bit of extra protection as there is a good chunk of ship around them that might be able to take the hit instead if not accurate. So they are "sunk" compared to tall bridges of ISDs
@jeffbrewer1580
@jeffbrewer1580 Год назад
There is no real reason ISD should have a weakness to rebellion starfighters, it's got 6 squadrons of fighters onboard
@josesanchezrodriguez1783
@josesanchezrodriguez1783 Год назад
@@keveyson Their hit an run tactics would only get them so far in the long run, every guerrilla starts off as one but if they want to win they eventually have to become a full fledged army, the same happened to the rebels as the Galactic Civil War went critical and they started deploying fleets of Mon Cal cruisers against ISDs, the midrim offensive and the battle of Endor for example in which ISDs came in extremely handy.
@casbot71
@casbot71 Год назад
5:18 The Carrack class has a huge advantage in that the CGI model of it can be scaled down from a 350 metre long Light Cruiser with a giant front bridge window to become a small shuttle sized ship or even a longish snubfighter van with just a cockpit window on the front. That's something that even the ISD couldn't do, without getting freakishly large windows all over it's Xyston variant.
@EckhartsLadder
@EckhartsLadder Год назад
lol, you actually see that in this video during one of the XWA cutscenes.
@paulrasmussen8953
@paulrasmussen8953 Год назад
Or just resize the window
@lukatomas9465
@lukatomas9465 Год назад
@@EckhartsLadder That's a Gamma class not a Carrack.
@kalnaren
@kalnaren Год назад
@@EckhartsLadder That ship isn't a Carrack, it's a Gamma-class Assault Shuttle. It has superficial design similarities but the entire hull profile is different than the Carrack.
@johnl6176
@johnl6176 Год назад
It also had a very fast hyperspace rating.
@danhaas9730
@danhaas9730 Год назад
Honestly surprised you didn't include the Arquitens light cruiser. I know the design pre-dates the Empire, but it's a robust design that saw a look of good use under Imperial command.
@averyifyoudlike3707
@averyifyoudlike3707 Год назад
The Arquitens will always be a Republic vessel to me. I’m sure you’re right about it being used well by the empire, and I agree that it’s a robust design. But I’m a sucker for that Venator Arquitens combo. I haven’t seen anything where the Empire uses Arquitens, so my opinion may be subject to change.
@shadowslayer205
@shadowslayer205 Год назад
In a Star Wars RP I'm in, our mercenary crew's primary ship for a long time was an Arquitens. Even after our group has grown and gained access to larger ships, we still use arquitens cruisers for fleet battles, planetary defenses, and special missions or raids. We just never run out of uses for them.
@jBread28
@jBread28 Год назад
@@averyifyoudlike3707 Rebels and the Mandalorian, both of which where its small size doesn't stop it being just as if not more effective than an ISD
@Purified_Water_Enjoyer
@Purified_Water_Enjoyer Год назад
The ship is really underrated if it had the same armorment as it was in squadrons then it would have been an S tier ship. It's such a good design like a mini star destroyer and it can even hold tie fighters, or even moff Gideon that can hold a squadron of ties and landers. Hell they could even use a super laser on the bottom like the venetor. Imagine a squadron of these ships using ion cannons then using that super laser on a capital ship with the support of the quasars .
@Lex36020
@Lex36020 Год назад
Then lets settle on the Imperial-design one aka the one moff gideon uses
@Gamer-gv7xn
@Gamer-gv7xn Год назад
There’s just something about the nebulon-B, it’s cost effective, fast, has good firepower, and even though it looks stripped down it’s still a beautiful ship.
@williamcampbell6794
@williamcampbell6794 Год назад
I would like it, but it just gets destroyed too easily, I think the CR-90 is better, but that's probably just me.
@pinzig
@pinzig Год назад
It's got a bit of Trek style to it. A large operations blob up front with the engines attached on a thin stalk, but flattened out.
@huntclanhunt9697
@huntclanhunt9697 Год назад
EC Henry's Imperial Nebulon was really cool.
@Lex36020
@Lex36020 Год назад
However it is not really durable. Once the mid-section breaky off its dead in the water because it looses not only engine and deflector shields but also literally the main reactor
@pearceberry2652
@pearceberry2652 Год назад
I like the ship as it is customizable and not lacking in firepower for it's size
@badandymk3
@badandymk3 Год назад
I always loved Strike cruisers and I absolutely fell in love with the Kontos the moment I saw it.
@leocr5734
@leocr5734 Год назад
Its beatiful
@M60gunner1971
@M60gunner1971 Год назад
You must not say such things.
@Nx57ytre
@Nx57ytre Год назад
I have the theory that Palpatine was more concerned with an internal takeover than with the Rebel Alliance, so he wanted the Empire to be not very competent, just efficient enough to ensure control of the systems. It wasn't until his wet dream, the Death Star, was destroyed that he took the Rebel Alliance seriously, but even so he would rather plan to ambush them at Endor than optimize the Empire.
@ImaginaryPerson1138
@ImaginaryPerson1138 Год назад
That... actually makes a good deal of sense. That's going in my headcanon now
@aoki6332
@aoki6332 Год назад
@@ImaginaryPerson1138 in lore most of The Empire Fleet and Army was indeed mostly used as a tool of fear that how the Empire was the Clone Reserve and occupation force was replaced whit stormtrooper and stars destroyer
@theloweffortchannel7211
@theloweffortchannel7211 9 месяцев назад
EU had inefficiency and suffering be the design of the Empire, Palpatine can gain power from other suffering and intends to ascend into what is essentially a Chaos God.
@toddkes5890
@toddkes5890 Год назад
Time-marks 2:17 - Lancer Frigate 2:59 - Nebulon-B 4:38 - IPV-1 5:15 - Carrack class 5:40 - Strike Cruiser 6:22 - Victory Star Destroyer 6:37 - Imperial Escort Carrier
@KnobleKnight2002
@KnobleKnight2002 Год назад
It makes me so happy when a ship isn't called a "Star Destroyer". The term has been so overused it causes me physical discomfort when a new "star destroyer" or "super star destroyer" is introduced to the franchise. Designs like the strike cruiser, lancer-class, or EC Henry's Incursor-class are really refreshing as it offers a more believable role for a ship rather than the role: "perform the roles of all ships".
@RorikH
@RorikH Год назад
Daniel from Spacedock in his top 5 lists is very big on ships with specific roles that would fit into actual fleets. Also, did it confuse anyone else as a kid that Star Destroyers weren't the ones that blew up planets?
@vit968
@vit968 Год назад
I would've wanted some New Republic ships to be called "Star Defenders"
@mitchellhayward6492
@mitchellhayward6492 Год назад
Dillon Kelley I agree. We've always had "star fighters" and "star destroyers, but when you throw in "star cruisers", "star carriers", and "star dreadnoughts", it really gives these ships a sense of class - like the addition of "star" is used in-universe to separate them from maritime warships. That said, I like that the CIS providence-class destroyer is also called the "providence-class star destroyer" for the same reason. It gives the term "star destroyer" a less Republic-Empire specific focus.
@rodolfohernandez3303
@rodolfohernandez3303 Год назад
I would expect the Interdictor Class Destroyer after facing it couple of times in Star Wars X-Wing Alliance, it became my 2nd favorite Imperial Ship after the Executor Class Destroyer
@1MoreTurn
@1MoreTurn Год назад
Love that game. Still have the disk.
@vic5015
@vic5015 Год назад
A big problem with the Interdictir is that, as soon as you turn on the gravity well generator, it *immediately* becomes the focus of everything the enemy can throw at it.
@PRC533
@PRC533 Год назад
@@vic5015 That's also an advantage because now you know exactly what the opposing force is going to do.
@cr90captain89
@cr90captain89 Год назад
@@PRC533 & typically the imperial commander would deploy them in the place where they can be easily protected by the rest of the fleet, usually behind the battle line. this means that the enemy force would have to run the gauntlet, into the imperials guns.
@captain_commenter8796
@captain_commenter8796 Год назад
The Empire was just too busy putting resources into counter-plot armor weapons, so they couldn’t mass produce actual good ships
@Theeater126
@Theeater126 Год назад
IIRC the in lore reason is Palpatine actively went against the reccomendation of admirals and anyone with a sense of tactics, to design sleak and intimidating super weapons, i.e. star destroyers. If he actually listened, would have gone a more modern military route of capital ships (star destroyers) being few and far between as stand off weapons or siege ships. Most fleets would comprise of mainly carriers, multiple support ships, and and picket ships to fend of enemy missles, star fighters, and any smaller ships.
@MrJeanlebonjambon
@MrJeanlebonjambon Год назад
@@Theeater126 A dictator going against their army commanders' advices and building intimidating weapons instead of efficient ones? That reminds me of someone...
@BobMcBobJr
@BobMcBobJr Год назад
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@joaomiguelmoreira6363
@joaomiguelmoreira6363 Год назад
To be fair, most star wars ships have some terrible design flaws and weapon firing arcs. That's not just an Imperial thing. But regardless they weren't made with logic in first place and that doesn't stop them from being perfect imo. Dumb bridges and WW2 style space dogfights are what makes star wars what it is :D
@igncom1
@igncom1 Год назад
I'd say in fairness the bridges are like ship bridges from ww1/2 ships, so in that sense having the at the top of a 'citadel' makes sense.
@2MeterLP
@2MeterLP Год назад
I actually think in regard to firing arcs, the typical imperial wedge shape is genius. 90% of the ships surface can be pointed at an enemy at once. In a proper attack formation, the only surface without a firing solution is unarmed anyways because its full of thrusters and can be covered by support ships and fighters.
@nickryan3417
@nickryan3417 Год назад
@@2MeterLP The wedge shape is a good shape as the shape also reduces the angle of incidence when it comes to collisions with whatever is in front of the ship. This is always a good idea, irrespective of the sci-fi shielding, particularly given that all the big engines are at the end which tends to imply their primary direction of high speed direction! That the ships don't have any obvious thrusters to navigate in a direction anything other than forward (at high speed) is likely for aesthetic reasons. Similar how for cinematic reasons weapons are fired by human(oid)s and not by computer, how command & control bridges are put in as exposed a position of possible for a large ship, and so on. I believe that the design of the rebel ships as more of a piecemeal and unfinished look is to make them look more worn, more rebellious and to emphasise the difference between them and any ships built in "official" ship yards
@massimocole9689
@massimocole9689 Год назад
Yeah the wedge shape is good, the problem is the placement of the guns generally doesn't take advantage of the shape though. Like how the cannons on a star destroyer are mostly on either side of the bridge so the super structure gets in the way of half the cannons if they want to do a broadside, and since they are in a line only the foremost or rear most guns can fire forward or backwards. If they used stagered or superfiring gun layouts like the WWII ships they were evoking they would be able to bring many more guns to bare.
@massimocole9689
@massimocole9689 Год назад
​@@urlauburlaub2222 Yeah, and my point was it has a terrible gun layout for shooting in front. Since the turrets are arranged in 2 parallel lines running fore to aft only the first gun in the lines can fire directly forwards. The three guns behind them have to sit there doing nothing else they fire into the next gun in line. The only way the star destroyer can bring all 8 of its top guns to bare is if the enemy is high enough above the star destroyer that the guns can tilt upwards enough to avoid shooting each other, but not so high that the turrets max out their elevation or are blocked by the bridge. That's not a great layout for something meant to shoot forward.
@vostok8589
@vostok8589 Год назад
It's a good reminder of the huge scale of Star Wars ships when you consider that at 250m the Lancer is a relatively tiny, but it's almost as long as the real life Yamato (~260m) which is one of the biggest warships we've ever made. And it's more than twice as long as the ISS, our biggest spacecraft.
@ImaginaryPerson1138
@ImaginaryPerson1138 Год назад
I design scale models of imperial ships out of lego, and its actually really interesting how people take ship size for granted. In the first Canon thrawn book he's assigned to a Gozanti cruiser, where he stores a hyperdrive ring in its cargo bay. Those things are almost half the size of a gozanti, there's no way one would fit in its cargo bay.
@geraldapollyon655
@geraldapollyon655 Год назад
@@ImaginaryPerson1138 It would if it was in pieces.
@earnestbrown6524
@earnestbrown6524 Год назад
The Raider is my favorite ship to come out of all ships since maybe the Royal Naboo Starship in The Phantom Menace.
@infomissiles9188
@infomissiles9188 Год назад
Escort carriers IRL were never designed or intended to escort capital ships. They weren't fast enough to keep up with them on top of other characteristics that made them unsuitable for the task. They would escort slower things like cargo convoys or take on duties that involved sitting in one place like amphibious assault support. That freed up the capital ships and fleet carriers to do fleet carrier stuff.
@paulrasmussen8953
@paulrasmussen8953 Год назад
But the starfleet it would nake sense
@gregorykappo229
@gregorykappo229 Год назад
@@paulrasmussen8953 that's just the naming issues so that your fleet command would not mistake it for a warship while counting avaiable forces in the region) Escort carriers and other "Escort" stuff were built to, well, escort tradeships. Cheap and slow, with 3rd grade pliots, and just a tiny bit better than a MAC. If you want to add some fighter support to your cruisers without slowing them down, you have to look for "light carriers" or something like that.
@paulrasmussen8953
@paulrasmussen8953 Год назад
@@gregorykappo229 which is an escort carrier. You are arguing sematics
@jh4533
@jh4533 Год назад
@@paulrasmussen8953 actually, a light carrier used cruiser hulls and engines and could keep up with the main fleet, look up the Independence class or Colossus class. Escort carriers were not only slower, but less armored since they were built off of merchant hulls, see the Bogue class or the Casablanca class, which used Liberty Ship hulls and engines.
@paulrasmussen8953
@paulrasmussen8953 Год назад
@@jh4533 thought Independence was an escort that escort abd light were interchangeable
@shinystarmiestudios4179
@shinystarmiestudios4179 Год назад
I know it didn't show up much, but I loved the Tartan Class Patrol Cruiser.
@anthonyramirez9925
@anthonyramirez9925 Год назад
Let’s be honest, Tarkin designed the ships, and he was clearly compensating
@minicle426
@minicle426 Год назад
For his lack of slippers? :P
@Hydro_Aero
@Hydro_Aero Год назад
Lmao 💀💀
@Hydro_Aero
@Hydro_Aero Год назад
@@minicle426 ?
@nicholasfarrell5981
@nicholasfarrell5981 Год назад
@@Hydro_Aero Cushing found his costume shoes uncomfortable, and wore slippers instead (since his feet never appeared onscreen).
@hendrikmoons8218
@hendrikmoons8218 Год назад
Nebulon-B2 frigate, a later iteration of the rightfully infamous B2, will be my favorite. Came to know her trough TIE fighter and TIE fighter vs X-wing, man, she was far more difficult to solo take down than an impy star destroyer.
@jamesondonnell4054
@jamesondonnell4054 Год назад
The enforcer class, Pickett ship, the perfect mid/small sized frigate with good fire power and a compliment of fighters my other favorite is the strike cruiser because it has such a great armament for its size and it Carrie’s fighters
@PrestonSikes
@PrestonSikes Год назад
I love when he bullies ships
@kennethferland5579
@kennethferland5579 Год назад
The problem with the TonFalk class compared with the Quasar Fire is that the former only holds 72 TIE fighters to the laters 48, and yet it is something like 7 times larger in volume. TonFalk basically has the volume and crew requirements on par with a modern Aircraft Carrier and is about the same size as an Aclimator. If all that gives you is 24 additional TIE's vs the QuasarFire and a class 1 hyperdrive then something is very wrong with it's design. I've always felt that TonFalk only really makes sense if it is also carrying a Regiment of troops and their landingcraft. Then it becomes a much more capable craft that more like a Marine Amphbious assault carrier and is able to conduct small planetary invasions all on it's own.
@mrcyberslayer6095
@mrcyberslayer6095 Год назад
Love ur starwars vids dude
@taylorlynn2522
@taylorlynn2522 Год назад
The ship I wish we saw more often is the vigil class star destroyer, I find it to be a beautiful little ship, the idea of having a mini baby ISD drop in is adorable. And I can imagine a dozen of those coming out of hyperspace would be just as intimidating as Ian ISD
@joetuktyyuktuk8635
@joetuktyyuktuk8635 Год назад
Just think how many they could have built, if they didn't waste so many resources on the Death Stars...
@taylorlynn2522
@taylorlynn2522 Год назад
@@joetuktyyuktuk8635 I did look it up and each one cost about 3.5 million credits. As the death Star took 1 trillion credits to make that comes out to about 285'714 ships. For reference thats over 10 times the number of ISDs in service
@joetuktyyuktuk8635
@joetuktyyuktuk8635 Год назад
@@taylorlynn2522 Admiral Akbarr: "How many enemy ships?" Weapons officer "We don't know sir... they are still jumping in..."
@KMCA779
@KMCA779 Год назад
Jam sensors hard enough and they'd be an amazing decoy or intimidation. Drop a dozen in system and if they can't tell the scale then suddenly there's a fleet of ISD's farther out.
@dominiklehn2866
@dominiklehn2866 Год назад
The Ton-Falk looks like it might be more durable than the Quasar with all its structure around the hangar, but maybe not able to deploy it's fighters as quickly due to a smaller hanger opening
@autocon2002
@autocon2002 Год назад
Sir, your taste in ships and ramen bases are equally flawless.
@kabob0077
@kabob0077 Год назад
To be honest I have a fondness for the Imperial Escort Carriers that the Storm Commandos operate, they seem like they'd be perfect for harassing enemy fleets with their TIE Hunters, given that the Hunter has its own Hyperdrive a few of Escort Carriers loaded with Hunters and maybe a few more loaded with TIE Defenders would be excellent for causing chaos behind enemy lines. I mean, what would YOU expect an Imperial to do besides show up in a fleet of the biggest ships available? I wouldn't expect a bunch of small carriers with Hyperspace capable fighters to go rampaging through my territory while another Imperial attacks head on, would you? Sure, they don't have the ridiculous fire power of the Imperial-II class and its Octuple Barbette mounts for both Ion Cannons and Turbolasers but does it really need ridiculous firepower to be a good ship?
@ItsJustVirgil
@ItsJustVirgil Год назад
The Gladiator Star destroyer just does it for me, I think it’s really nicely designed - I love the particular configuration that the wookiepedia page uses as it’s thumbnail, the 2D one in warm colors and stylized. Honestly, I’d love to see the Gladiator in 3D.
@philtkaswahl2124
@philtkaswahl2124 Год назад
The Carrack has a special place in my heart for all the times it showed up as basically a "supporting character" in many an Imperial fleet, as well as the Victory for being the "not an ImpStar" star destroyer in SW fiction for the longest time.
@2012blueridge
@2012blueridge Год назад
Great vid Eck! Good research on your part.
@thebighurt2495
@thebighurt2495 Год назад
The Nebulon-B was very good budget combo vessel. Anything that could kill the Neb, it really had no business picking a fight with anyway. One of the Empire's biggest problems, in my opinion, was overly-relying on the ISD, when they should've spent 90% of their ISD budget on an equivalent number of medium-to-small ships to cover the medium-to-small systems and reserve the ISDs for Major systems. Alternatively, they could maintain system control with medium-to-small ships and have an ISD squadron on call to respond to anything the local forces couldn't handle.
@afaultytoaster
@afaultytoaster Месяц назад
The issue may have been the political reliability of the ship captains. Lots of personnel were defecting to the rebels, so the Empire needed a centralised and authoritarian structure to maintain power. By squeezing the firepower of 10 small ships into one larger package, you can take the most reliable of those 10 ships' captains and put him in charge, rather than risking half your firepower defecting.
@Sternguard
@Sternguard Год назад
The Escort carrier was always my favourite of the ships you've pointed out. A nice look and practical for it's role.
@Omegaroth666
@Omegaroth666 Год назад
You hit my nostalgia button so hard with page from the "Star Wars Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels", like I specifically remember that image from 25 years ago Lolz well done
@fallentitan9811
@fallentitan9811 Год назад
Glad I correctly guessed the first ship Eckharts was gonna say, love the Lancer and really wish we saw more of them.
@beavismount
@beavismount Год назад
The guy calling the field goal at 7:43-7:48, always loved it!
@sulljoh1
@sulljoh1 Год назад
My Neb B theory: Look at real spacecraft from the time of Star Wars like Voyager 1 & 2 Launched in 1977, they have a lot of awkward long skinny parts that look terribly fragile It's possible Star Wars took inspiration from these while designing the Nebulon B, although doesn't really make sense IRL since space probes aren't war ships
@matthewneuendorf5763
@matthewneuendorf5763 Год назад
I'm a big fan of the Raider. Sure, it's only a corvette, but it fills a hole in the star destroyer-focused roster of the Imperial fleet and it looks great. Generally I'm a fan of specialist ships that do one function well rather than trying to be a fleet-in-a-ship. A dedicated carrier is better than a hybrid. A dedicated battleship is better than a hybrid. A dedicated escort is better than a hybrid. Give me a couple SDs that have good point defense and lots of fighter capacity, a couple SDs that are stacked with Turbolasers and Ion Cannons, and a couple light SDs with good point defense and high mobility. I'll take that over an equal mass in Imperials or other traditional SDs.
@cr90captain89
@cr90captain89 Год назад
i mean the isd's in the empire strikes back were able to repeatedly hit the speedy millennium falcon with its laser systems & those were the mk 2's. which are stated not to have a point defense system at all, so the fact they could hit a freighter sized craft going faster than most star fighters consistently is a herculean achievement. for comparison or context, this would be the equivalent of the Bismarck hitting a swordfish propeller plane with its main caliber guns. the mark 1's or the imperator class did have an actually good point defense system, but has less overall firepower for that exchange.
@nicholasfarrell5981
@nicholasfarrell5981 Год назад
This, right here. I would've loved to see Star Destroyer variants that were specialized, rather than them all just being big "oonga-boonga" ships. Or actually include the specialized ships in the fleet more often rather than just making it all SDs.
@thebrittaniondragon6183
@thebrittaniondragon6183 Год назад
One ship id love to see on the big screen is the Gladiator Star Destroyer, its described by Wookipedia as a independent, "long-range patrol vessel. Due to its firepower, it also served in anti-ship, escort, and orbital bombardment capacities.[1] The Gladiator-class could also serve as a blockade vessel and as the flagship of a small battle group." Not sure if that makes it a destroyer or cruiser but its compact nature, its capable of bringing multiple squadrons of fighters into any fight, and if I was designing a petrol fleet I would have it be the flagship with Arquitens as escorts, how cool would that have been to seen in rebels
@Ryecrash617
@Ryecrash617 Год назад
So many times after listening to your videos, I feel inspired to play Star Wars Rebellion but I usually listen to RU-vid while at work so I'll have to wait until this evening.
@TheMajorActual
@TheMajorActual Год назад
I don't know if it was mentioned below, but the _Ton-Falk_ first appeared - AFAIK - in the now-ancient _WEG SW Imperial Sourcebook,_ on Page 54 (I remember this design well, and dug out my dead-tree edition). In addition to the TIE wing, it also has six shuttles, carries 800 troops, and has a crew of 3,505...Like most carriers in SW, however, I think it is _badly_ lacking in fighters carried; carrying double the complement would be the better option. The best example of what a ship like that - in my opinion - should carry is seen in _Rogue One,_ when the Scarif station launches its TIE compliment of 12 squadrons....THAT is what most capital ships should be carrying.
@Pastry656
@Pastry656 Год назад
The Vigil Class Corvette is one of my favorite Imperial ship designs. It’s a micro Star Destroyer with a vastly less exposed bridge and more than enough weapons for its purposes. I believe a picket vessel or escort for larger ships. Potentially useful in managing blockades or shipyards. All in all a tiny battle boi.
@agentskinner6601
@agentskinner6601 Год назад
I thought you were going to mention the Praetor Mark II Battlecruiser, I adore that thing.
@mr_h831
@mr_h831 Год назад
The amount of sarcasm oozing during the ton falk is insane.
@mustlovedragons8047
@mustlovedragons8047 Год назад
That ending with the doge plushies is so cute! Kudos!
@josepetersen7112
@josepetersen7112 Год назад
Loved the rogue squadron gameplay
@In4longHaul
@In4longHaul Год назад
I would like a video on what you consider the best looking ships. Simple because... Throw practicality out the window, just pure ship appeal. Thanks
@JAF30
@JAF30 Год назад
6:38 is really cool, though boxy. I could see two or three of them escorting large convoys of supply ships or even doing things like survey duty.
@williamjosephburns1504
@williamjosephburns1504 Год назад
*Yep, some excellent ships in here. The Victory Class Star Destroyer is also my favorite; I actually learned about the ship through the STAR WARS ARMADA tabletop game. Another phenomenal video. Thanks lots!*
@mittensfastpaw
@mittensfastpaw Год назад
Love these types of videos mate.
@redheartnorvus8997
@redheartnorvus8997 Год назад
You missed one. The X1 Super Transport. The big brother of the Ton Falk. Love that ship. It the in between of the CIS supply ship/ Baleen Class Heavy Freighter and the Ton Falk. Play SW old school table top RPG and I have a Smuggler that lived for too long and was able to reture owning a rebuilt X1 Super Transfort escorted by a Nebulon B and 2x DP20 gunships. The X1 is amazing and can hold 3 wing squadrons of uglies based on rebuilt tie fighters. Enhanced it with 2 V1 SDF shields. Better yet hold 60x as much cargo as GR75 Transports. I started with a Mobquet Medium Freighter which is way better than CR90 cost wise and more anonymous than VY series light freighter as a Farm Freighter with 2 Z95 headhunters.for protection. Made ways and survived lots of adventures and finally acquired a contract to the mid rim to outer rims for legal freight hauls for farm supplies. The X1 was a spoils from a battle between pirates and empire and when it was shot down on an asteroid field the empire thought it expendable and pirates thought it too slow and costly for them to rebuild but perfect for a retiring smuggler. Named it the Krayt Pepper and it still holds my battle worn Mobquet. BTW Mon Mothma pays a lot to smuggle rebel tech. Made sense since it easier to hide smaller important tech to super large freighters with more places to hide than smaller lightfreighters. I mean imperial checkpoints dont bother a full inspection for super large freights. Easy to hide classified house sized cargo disguised as food animal containers. They wont conduct a thorough inspection as soon as they see a full compartment of dirty, smelly farm animal cells. Instead just offering simple comfortable cargo manifest check with food and not get their uniforms dirty.
@legomacinnisinc
@legomacinnisinc Год назад
Man, that footage from X-Wing Alliance brought back memories. Only Star Wars flight sim I ever played but I played that for hours and hours.
@thibault_de_proost
@thibault_de_proost Год назад
Hi, just a question, what do you think about the Raider-class corvette? I like the design and I think it was a fairly effective corvette, especially if you include the hangers like on the Corvus. Could you maybe incorporate it in another video like this as I really think it deserves a spot in this list!
@jakto3362
@jakto3362 Год назад
"Slopped Armor?" "HAH, FUCK THAT, WE"RE GOING CUBIC!" *proceeds to be obliterated*
@fumarc4501
@fumarc4501 Год назад
That flying carrier sounds awesome!
@jetoak
@jetoak Год назад
Whenever you hear the words 'good design' and 'Imperial capital ship' in any Ecks video, always expect the Lancer to be shown
@Otterdisappointment
@Otterdisappointment Год назад
I really like the strike cruiser as an individual ship because it reminds me of the Halcyon class from Halo but it doesn’t have a stupid forward bridge
@paulrasmussen8953
@paulrasmussen8953 Год назад
Strength of a vsd 2 but cheaper win win
@Otterdisappointment
@Otterdisappointment Год назад
@@paulrasmussen8953 I’d love a VSD personally but the Victory can’t enter atmosphere so a strike cruiser would be my choice of a personal atomic whip. I praised the Nebula because it’s just a better ISD in a super efficient size and shape. The light cruiser is still something to me because it’s just a tiny Harrower and it’s canon.
@paulrasmussen8953
@paulrasmussen8953 Год назад
@@Otterdisappointment a Victory can
@Otterdisappointment
@Otterdisappointment Год назад
@@paulrasmussen8953 “Not to worry; we’re still flying half a planet”
@IamDeathIncarnate1337
@IamDeathIncarnate1337 Год назад
Ton-Falk's were featured in the early Lucasarts starfighter titles. Nebulon-B Frigates were used in hit and run strikes in a couple of scenarios. One of the advantages of the Imperial-class Star Destroyers is that you were usually biggest thing there. not so good when you're disabled and pushed into another star destroyer, but great for hyperspacing into the battle, literally.
@miqvPL
@miqvPL Год назад
For people who want to experience more of these ships: all or almost all of these ships are great in Thrawn's Revenge mod for Empire at War. And they work pretty much like Eck said here. Lancer is the best anti-starfighter unit in the game. It's only weak part is low speed, but it tears through starfighters while it's point defense protects your bigger ships from missiles and bombs. Nebulon B is that smol ship that does so much more than it's size in the game would suggest- it's light turbolasers provide nice and accurate fire against bigger units, it's also a great point defense ship and does well against fighters, while fighters and bombers struggle to damage it. It also spawns half of a squadron of fighters and bombers itself. Like most of the ships it's size it struggles with shield and hull strength, but in general is a great and welcome addition to any fleet. IPV is less useful than above vessels but it operates as a cheaper, fast anti-starfighter platform. Does great in hit and runs against separated fighter&bomber groups and is a nice distraction overall. Carrack is more on the useful side again, being basically a small artillery unit. Maybe not as accurate as Nebulon B but having a few of these around your bigger ships provides a lot of additional heavy firepower. Strike cruiser works in a similar fashion, but since it's a larger unit it often is compared to Assault Frigate Mark 1 and it pretty much always falls flat in that comparison. Still not an unit you want to underestimate on a battlefield, it can very quickly finish off your damaged, shieldless units. As for Ton Falk carrier, well, since it carries tie fighters it falls flat to rebel carriers. But is still useful in larger numbers. Although most players focused on playing Empire should probably focus more on managing lancers and kill enemy capital ships with their own capital ships, not rely heavily on bombers.
@itswindyyy
@itswindyyy 5 месяцев назад
"Shot down?" More like shot and then moving uncontrollably into interplanetary space
@44WarmocK77
@44WarmocK77 Год назад
Really like the Neb, and I created my own take on the imperial version (I actually linked my DA renders on your discord server some time ago).
@lachlanbold8319
@lachlanbold8319 Год назад
I’m hoping for the Tartan Patrol Cruiser. Might not be great against ships but it is an excellent screen vessel and perfect for catching smugglers.
@ellieblaber4243
@ellieblaber4243 Год назад
honestly, really like the gladiator class, nice lil all rounder that was perfect for use in more remote locations where you cant just call on some troop transports or extra fighters at a moments notice, good enough to fight most ships at the same or smaller scales too
@trynnallen
@trynnallen Год назад
The stats for the TIE Escort Carrier come from one of two places. The Imperial Sourcebook - West End Games or Star Wars: Rebellion. The guide for that game talked a lot about the ships that were showcased in it, plus being fleshed out in game.
@ussrtaxes8986
@ussrtaxes8986 Год назад
I know I’m a bit late but at 6:01 the shop being shown is actually a vigil class corvette. My favorite imperial ship design and the smallest ship in the star destroyer line!
@matthewtate4444
@matthewtate4444 Год назад
One of the most underused ships not mentioned was the Imperial II Class Frigate. Basically, a small cruiser-sized Star Destroyer that was geared as a carrier but was moderately armed with a combination of Lasers and Turbolasers. This ship could have easily been the center of an Imperial task force. Having nearly the firepower of a Carrack Cruiser and the carrying capacity of a Ton-Falk carrier. The only example that I know of this ship is the story of the Rand Ecliptic Where Biggs Darklighter and Hobbie Klivian join the Rebelion.
@catguy9229
@catguy9229 Год назад
Can we get a video just covering the Quazar? Idk if you made one already, but it is just a cool looking ship.
@wolfcraft484
@wolfcraft484 Год назад
ngl i love small ships would be nice to see stuff like imperial destroyers in the naval sense of the term or maybe even something similar to a whatchamacallit rebel gunship
@zaneex4043
@zaneex4043 Год назад
Got a soft spot for the Gozanti class cruiser, it was big enough to give possible assailants pause but small enough to be produced in numbers, not to mention versatile
@reallybigmistake
@reallybigmistake 7 месяцев назад
Fractalsponge's version of the Imperial Nebulon B, Lancer and Carrack are so good
@SpelVarld
@SpelVarld Год назад
08:26 i really like this animation really really good job on it
@theoneyoudontsee8315
@theoneyoudontsee8315 Год назад
id like a task force cruiser! those medium quad turbolasers and quad lasers seam like a devilish combo of useful vs star fighters corvettes all the way up to cruisers. the heavy concussion missiles and proton torpedos allow it to get the knockdown blow to even cap ships. the stronger 360 fire points recessed shield and ability to have a couple squadrons of small fast starfighters like a-wings that id use coming from port and starboard hangers is all so smart and practical!
@Aralluen
@Aralluen Год назад
fractal sponges take on the strike cruiser is just beautiful
@o.k.productions5202
@o.k.productions5202 Год назад
Expectations: Arquitens, Raider, and the one from the X-wing books with a million point defence canons (Lancer or Carrak, can’t remember which one is from where). Also victory 1, they scary.
@SpelVarld
@SpelVarld Год назад
were did u get that video of the dog in the end i always laugh at how it looks like he knows whats about to hjappen and yet get's angry when ite happens XD
@startingfromlevelone9510
@startingfromlevelone9510 Год назад
The size and external tie rack of the carrack was definitely the inspiration for the Gozanti. You can see it a bit in their form and function as well as classification and the Gozanti is just a much better looking ship.
@IsThisHandleTaken
@IsThisHandleTaken 7 дней назад
Loving the X-wing alliance cinematic clips added in. What a blast of nostalgia, that game was an absolute treasure. Even the cinematography of the cutscenes, it felt like a genuine immersion into the star wards universe. Moreso than a BUNCH of movies that followed it.
@Offline_Matrix
@Offline_Matrix Год назад
Watching this helped relive my daily stomach ache, Thanks man :)
@triandfit1
@triandfit1 Год назад
So pretty much, all of the smaller ships from the Imperial Source book. Cool renderings.
@jacobparslow8723
@jacobparslow8723 Год назад
I paused right when you said but I expect the Lancer to be on this list. An almost perfect ship to counter the rebellion. Put a few of those in a fleet with an interdictor and a few ISDs for heavy support and you have a rebel killer of a fleet.
@neves5083
@neves5083 Год назад
For a long time the lancer was my favorite ship
@williamjanak2013
@williamjanak2013 Год назад
I will always have a spot in my heart for the Gladiator-class Star Destroyer.
@hadesflame9342
@hadesflame9342 Год назад
My favorite is the imperial Raider class corvette cause it looked like a smaller version of Darth Nihilus's Ravager dreadnought. Another ship I'm quite fond of is the VT-49 decimator just had the imperial version millenium Falcon vibe in my opinion.
@australiaisnotrealjustaska4379
I'm very interested in the mining side of the amount materials that needed where did they get it from
@18videowatcher41
@18videowatcher41 Год назад
Definitely expect to see the Vigil-class corvette on here. I also believe the Tartan patrol cruiser deserved a mention alongside the IPV.
@tyberzann101
@tyberzann101 Год назад
I'm actually a fan of the Gozanti its got a great aesthetic, modularity and can carry a small fighter escort. if i lived in the SW i would want one though id probably modify it a bit. though it was republic made i think. but still its one of my favorite ships used by the empire.
@earlware4322
@earlware4322 Год назад
Same here, I really like the Gozanti. Especially the C-ROC refit/upgrade with its mid/long range sensors and retractable weapons. Not to mention the ability to carry a boatload of cargo. The only drawback I can see is that it has no hanger space, though it has the ability to carry four small snub fighters (externally). A small, heavily armed gunship/freighter that can carry along it's own fighter escort is a terrific ship for any faction.
@ZackarySchejbalCODBO2RGM2
@ZackarySchejbalCODBO2RGM2 Год назад
@@earlware4322 I see the Gozanti as the Imperial version of the CR-90 Corvette and wished that the Gozanti was the alternative go-to corvette choice when the Raider-class was otherwise unavailable.
@defender12.24
@defender12.24 Год назад
@@ZackarySchejbalCODBO2RGM2 the gozanti is only 32 meters long that roughly a fifth of the CR-90 it could never be used in the same way as a corvette as it is only a freighter
@tmutant
@tmutant Год назад
I first saw the Escort Carrier with reference to the 72 TIE fighter capacity in the West End Games Star Wars Roleplaying Game backing the late Eighties.
@CC-2062
@CC-2062 Год назад
One of my favourite imperial designs is the gladiator star destroyer. It provides decent firepower with decent Starfighter capacity and on a small size ( smaller than an isd or a venator ) thus being being able to be mast produced and maintained. Its a jack of all trades and a master of none but better than a master of one
@eNoble-US
@eNoble-US Год назад
Always been a fan of the Gladiator. Wish it could’ve made it into the video, a very practical approach to a more balanced star destroyer.
@Thisisalamp
@Thisisalamp День назад
The IPV-1 Patrol ships were hard to fight head-on in X-Wing Alliance, looks like a giant beak with the low res poly models.
@Myportie
@Myportie Год назад
Request: 2 "what if" ships that were never actually built: the Eidolon and the Pulsar Station.
@TheStuffEnjoyer
@TheStuffEnjoyer Год назад
I hope that dog is never removed from the ending of all your videos~
@TimberWolf99
@TimberWolf99 Год назад
"Quasar-Class Fire Carrier"? Think that line needed a second pass there, Eck.
@andrew4661
@andrew4661 Год назад
Hope to see the Lancer-Class Frigate, definitely my favorite
@prince_jayleon179
@prince_jayleon179 Год назад
Day 20 of asking for Titanfall vs halo versus matchup
@capitancoolness942
@capitancoolness942 Год назад
I'll sign your petition
@hasnicktir5310
@hasnicktir5310 Год назад
@@capitancoolness942 Would you like to sign my petition
@prince_jayleon179
@prince_jayleon179 Год назад
@@capitancoolness942 thank you my brotha
@toptiergaming6900
@toptiergaming6900 Год назад
There is also the new Cantwell class cruiser but that was after this video was released
@jayv9779
@jayv9779 Год назад
Love the X-Wing Alliance shots. My favorite Star Wars flight sim.
@johnsmithjr.9321
@johnsmithjr.9321 Год назад
Man those 3d models by FractalSponge shown are very well done.
@phildicks4721
@phildicks4721 Год назад
In the WEG Star Wars RPG, the Nebulon B was the ship that Rebel Privateers dreamed of getting their hands on. It had the perfect combination of speed and hard hitting firepower. Its cargo capacity was limited, but mostly Rebel Privateers were more interested in taking ships and cargo that was either essential to the Alliance's needs or would hurt the Imperials if captured or destroyed.
@andrewreynolds4949
@andrewreynolds4949 Год назад
The Star Destroyer is somewhat decent, if a bit maintenance and crew-heavy. It is often lacking in point defense, but FractalSponge specifications largely fix that problem (and look really good!). A number of FractalSponge's smaller ship designs are excellent as well, especially the Proclamator, Fulgor, Kontos, Velox, and Vigil classes, as well as the Contentor fleet replenishment ship (I do have a thing for logistics). The Allegiance and Bellator look great, too (and much more useful in normal actions than a significantly larger superweapon ship).
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