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Watch the BBC first on iPlayer 👉 bbc.in/iPlayer... Sue Perkins starts her journey in Tokyo, Japan's glittering capital city and home to 36 million people. She finds a nation caught between the demands of a hi-tech future and the pull of a traditional past, where people work long hours but struggle to find time for love and relationships. Birth rates are falling and the population is shrinking. What does the future hold for this resilient and innovative country?
Outside Tokyo, in the shadow of Mount Fuji, Sue takes part in Hell Camp, Japan's toughest business school. Here she sees how Japan’s strict corporate culture has created some of the world's most successful companies, with its traditional values of hard work and discipline.
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@anothersettlementneedsyour9628
@anothersettlementneedsyour9628 4 года назад
Karen: ,,I want to speak with the manager ASAP!” Manager: ,,AUOIUOIUOOOOOO!!!!!”
@JesusSaves23k
@JesusSaves23k 4 года назад
Does he say auoiuoiuo the video or na
@unknownuser2814
@unknownuser2814 4 года назад
Lol
@mugenfights5034
@mugenfights5034 4 года назад
This literally made me laugh out loud
@Fuzzelism
@Fuzzelism 4 года назад
I cant breathe!! :D I already laughed because of the beginnig but youve made in worse :D
@pbjracing14yearsago49
@pbjracing14yearsago49 4 года назад
This made me LOL
@user-ki5lj1dh5z
@user-ki5lj1dh5z 4 года назад
A lot of non-Japanese people: This is crazy! Me Japanese: This is crazy!
@sangd4lang
@sangd4lang 3 года назад
This is madness.
@dejavu5307
@dejavu5307 3 года назад
これは SPAARTAAAAN!!!!
@4dgreentea
@4dgreentea 4 года назад
I’m Japanese and I just want to say, obviously not every workplace training is like this. This is just the extreme.
@DonEkz21
@DonEkz21 4 года назад
That's bbc for you lol, they make it seem like this it's the norm in Japan.
@sextant858
@sextant858 4 года назад
It is almost fake news. So crazy.
@DonEkz21
@DonEkz21 4 года назад
@Mike Nunyabizness that's not true for decades very few companies in Japan adopted this practice. Their work ethic was just strict period.
@godsama959
@godsama959 4 года назад
@Mike Nunyabizness I agree, more than a few Japanese client I've had, describe boot camps like this.
@user-gy5qi6kt7x
@user-gy5qi6kt7x 4 года назад
This is just SICK!!!
@rezkybella9068
@rezkybella9068 4 года назад
Finally i know how to greet your grandma : *loudly screams* KONICHIWA!
@seaweed6668
@seaweed6668 3 года назад
karen:That's how we roll,baby
@sizymusic491
@sizymusic491 2 года назад
hahaha auto ngamuk itu mah
@eekimsantos
@eekimsantos 3 года назад
Oh my gosh as an introvert who hates standing out, this training will be the death of me LOL
@aldahrishi4795
@aldahrishi4795 2 года назад
Then you don't work that's it
@ab76254
@ab76254 4 года назад
This is the epitome of "form over function" where you try to look as much as a "businessperson" but learn no practical skills about managing a team to most efficiently achieve objectives
@abuhuraira3685
@abuhuraira3685 4 года назад
The most unhappy customers are your greatest source of learning BILL GATES
@rerikm
@rerikm 4 года назад
ohh karen, he did not say that
@abuhuraira3685
@abuhuraira3685 4 года назад
@@rerikm check Google
@lostinpa-dadenduro7555
@lostinpa-dadenduro7555 4 года назад
He never learned.
@TheArcher101
@TheArcher101 4 года назад
Or they're just idiots
@isoldag.n4442
@isoldag.n4442 3 года назад
actually it was Walt Disney who first said that,he also added that if you want succed you must learn everyone: costumers,all the employers,security guards,etc.,wich was idealized by Minamoto Musashi: wisdow comes from any source,you must be prepared to take the lesson ( hear everyone,no matter who is)
@sabnstuffgd8232
@sabnstuffgd8232 4 года назад
4:40 Sue: “Someone really really doesn’t like the main course.” Japanese man: screams “Thank you for this meal!”
@user-hx1jw4br7s
@user-hx1jw4br7s 3 года назад
And the guy beside him was like: " yea, yea totally agree "
@whyjapanesepeople4057
@whyjapanesepeople4057 4 года назад
Imperial japan: BANZAI!!!! Modern japan: SENPAI!!!!!
@rodaxel7165
@rodaxel7165 4 года назад
I thought this happens only in anime. My hears would bleed if this happens in my office
@sextant858
@sextant858 4 года назад
You're right. It is almost anime. They are not usual almost cult group. I've never heard and seen like this.
@illona2537
@illona2537 3 года назад
What anime were you watching? I've never seen this before
@SekhmetSecretWeapon
@SekhmetSecretWeapon 4 года назад
I feel so bad for the ones who 'failed' the course....this is too sad.... :((
@dsirulz1
@dsirulz1 4 года назад
right like im sure they are all overqualified if they were to apply to literally any job say in another country but to the japanese, nah fam, NOT GOOD ENOUGH lol.
@SekhmetSecretWeapon
@SekhmetSecretWeapon 4 года назад
@@dsirulz1 this must be why so much suicide there, sad... they're good people...
@crazy948
@crazy948 3 года назад
i can imagine at least one of those who failed is already fathoms below.
@SekhmetSecretWeapon
@SekhmetSecretWeapon 3 года назад
@@crazy948 they do have a high suicide rate there, it's sad... no one's perfect...
@mathforlife1805
@mathforlife1805 2 года назад
That's life....
@Soralella71
@Soralella71 4 года назад
I lived in Japan and let me tell you, the Japanese really are repressed and depressed.
@kriest3470
@kriest3470 3 года назад
@@snarkylive yoooo
@BargerClan
@BargerClan 3 года назад
Soralella71: that's why sucide forest is super duper popular
@andreyserebryakov2231
@andreyserebryakov2231 3 года назад
@@BargerClan it's just one place.
@titonsama
@titonsama 5 месяцев назад
よく分かります!
@stupidkitty84
@stupidkitty84 4 года назад
@2:36 Reporter: *screams* "Konichiwa! Literally Anybody: 👀✌👣
@ayumiharapeco6366
@ayumiharapeco6366 4 года назад
Oh no, I used to live right next to this place! It keep woke me up around 5am with this strange shout . I went to ask if it's possible to start bit later but owner just said " I started this here 30 years ago so why don't you try to understand? " It was nightmare.
@pedalboy
@pedalboy 4 года назад
It sounds like they're training for war.
@y.y.4673
@y.y.4673 4 года назад
Actually, this kind of brain washing is from the Imperial Japanese Army. In the age of WW2, every child was forced to do like that in elementary school.
@maxabeles
@maxabeles 4 года назад
@Honesty Maze It's not possible to erase thousands of years tradition with "the new generation."
@vivoslibertos
@vivoslibertos 3 года назад
TENNOHEIKA BANZAAAAIIII!!!!!!!
@missplainjane3905
@missplainjane3905 3 года назад
@@maxabeles I feel Japan is also changing from each new era, though tradition remains strongly.
@user-mp7wj3rq5d
@user-mp7wj3rq5d 5 месяцев назад
Ww2 flashbacks
@italianoDOCG
@italianoDOCG 4 года назад
If my boss screams at me like that I’m like “sorry I didn’t hear you, can you repeat that”
@manantank
@manantank 3 года назад
Not gonna lie, this sounds fun - gets people out of their shell
@ItsMeRhaine
@ItsMeRhaine 4 года назад
If my manager ever screams like that to me in the workplace imma have to resign right there dueces
@m5a1stuart83
@m5a1stuart83 3 года назад
Well my Korean GM always yell at me everyday like that... But once you get used to it. No one can oppress or intimidate you.
@alventuradelacruz522
@alventuradelacruz522 3 года назад
I would slap him/her
@domtom9594
@domtom9594 Год назад
Lol American cry baby.
@masterdrewanthony
@masterdrewanthony 4 года назад
If Japan wasn't notorious for having a high suicide rate, I might not be as bothered by the crying at the end of the training. Unfortunately, it is, and I am
@PeaceDweller
@PeaceDweller 3 года назад
It is quite sad. But at the same time that work ethic & culture made them the most prosperous & efficient nation in Asia for many many decades. Infact only Germany and one of the Scandinavian countries could match them in terms of efficiency & productivity. It's a relatively small country in size of 128 million people and yet it is run like a country with 4 million. Even garbage workers there treat their job like the most prestigious job on the planet.
@lagoondiver
@lagoondiver 4 года назад
Reminds me of that scene in Blackadder season 3, when Stephen Fry plays the Duke of Wellington... "There's only one way to win a campaign: SHOUT, SHOUT AND SHOUT AGAIN!" 😄
@QUESCANADA
@QUESCANADA 4 года назад
Well, I came here to learn but ended up lmao @ 2:34 🤣😂🤣😂😭😝
@Dreamdays476
@Dreamdays476 2 года назад
It's their culture, let alone and go home and look at your own...
@arthurdowney2846
@arthurdowney2846 4 года назад
"The Japanese are just like everyone else, only more so." Watch Dan Carlin's Supenova In The East for a great look into the roots of the cultural quirks that make a place like this business camp possible.
@andipandi5641
@andipandi5641 4 года назад
but most like the english - only more so: we have public schools - they have this place.. the sun has not long ago given up dressing its models as sexualised school girls and the daily mail has only recently given up presenting us with sexualised images of school girls themselves - japan has only recently made child-pornography illegal.. police in this country never charged jimmy savile with anything and have yet to interview any catholic bishop or prince andrew under caution - while police in japan actively protect businesses sexually exploiting very young women.. in this country fox hunters continue to hunt sweet little dogs - while many japanese continue to kill dolphins and whales..
@gerardsangil9760
@gerardsangil9760 3 года назад
Customer: Hi! I’m looking for a phone. They said that it’s the best business here. Businessman: A-E-*O-OU!!!!!
@razvan6133
@razvan6133 3 года назад
Since when is Playstation a company?
@LionMemento
@LionMemento 5 месяцев назад
There is also one for kids in the same camp i went to it when i was about 10 it was a great experience and i gained a lot of discipline
@therandomdot2563
@therandomdot2563 4 года назад
Sun Tzu and Musashi must be rolling in their graves at this.
@OzzTonWentToSpace
@OzzTonWentToSpace 4 года назад
Sun Tzu was Chinese + the discipline and training needed for samurai wasn’t too dissimilar. I get your point though for this day and age this is cringe.
@therandomdot2563
@therandomdot2563 4 года назад
@@OzzTonWentToSpace I was thinking more about how Musashi's Book of Five Rings and Sun Tzu's Art of War are standard reads in Asian business. But, Musashi teaches to be simple and effective. This training program is neither. Sun Tzu teaches to win war by out-maneuvering enemies and treating soldiers like equals. This program is just breaking these folks down, treating them like garbage, and building them back up into uncreative robots. The reason samurai culture took over in Japan was because the warriors had too much time on their hands, and thus did like everyone else: made an "art form" out of what they did. Basically, taking whatever they did and dialing it up to 11. But, in doing so, they went overboard. Musashi's work pointed that out, saying that Japanese Samurai culture was so full of itself that it lost sight of what was important. It was bogged down in pomp & circumstance and ritual. This business course seems to be embracing that. It's also embracing the fly-by-night "boot camp" syndrome that's taken over all aspects of work these days. Folks think they can just sign up for some rigorous program that quickly whips them into shape and then they'll get some cert that says they can do something. But, boot camp programs have flooded the market and this looks like another BS boot camp program. If they want to get certified as peons that can do nothing but follow orders, then this is the program for them. But, peons that follow orders are not business leaders, are not creative types that shake up industries, etc. It's just sad seeing aspects of Japan fall back to BS like this. But, many countries have similar BS going on. "Take a week long training program to become a Data Scientist!" Just lots of BS programs popping up these days, and desperate people going into them hoping it will move them ahead.
@dodoapexch1389
@dodoapexch1389 4 года назад
I'm Japanese. But, it is first time to see this kind of comany!lol
@dodoapexch1389
@dodoapexch1389 4 года назад
@Linh Nguyen I'm not weeb!lol I'm Japanese! 俺、純然たる日本人やでw
@beaverpoo8086
@beaverpoo8086 4 года назад
Linh Nguyen they are not lying! this is do you know the extreme side of the political compass? Think of this as that but company
@inkyukim436
@inkyukim436 4 года назад
I am still waiting for them to teach something useful...
@fergusgarden
@fergusgarden 3 года назад
The part where some of the participants in the training were yelling their vulnerabilities was too short. I just saw it on TV and it was longer - it is an idea that I really like, since in trainings that I'm used to, everybody tries to be as invulnerable as possible. That was like a breath of fresh air for me.
@Sara-sn5gd
@Sara-sn5gd 3 года назад
It can be seen as a good thing, but it could also be harmful in that it could be a form of public shaming. The people here would already be on a lower rank than the course administrator so having them loudly express the failing makes them emotionally lower themselves too, especially because then they likely don't really get support for it.
@assassinaria
@assassinaria Год назад
It definitely helps people acknowledge their weaknesses and figure out how to overcome them. I often do this to remind myself I am just a person, equally as human as the people I manage. Some people can get carried away with power and presume they were given the position for who they are rather than how well they can serve the people they manage.
@user-ou9ln4vl2n
@user-ou9ln4vl2n 4 года назад
I grew up in Japan and I am working in Japanese company now. in my life I changed the company 4 times but I don't think this video is for real. for foreigners I tell you that this is not real Japan. this is overdraw. even though as a Japanese myself , its really funny.
@latiletamataitini8827
@latiletamataitini8827 4 года назад
6c
@latiletamataitini8827
@latiletamataitini8827 4 года назад
D
@proudlycanadian3023
@proudlycanadian3023 2 года назад
Sie liegen in meiner Verantwortung! Es geht um ABSOLUTE PERFEKTION! Es geht darum, im höchsten Maße tadellos makellos / makellos zu sein!
@halukaw719
@halukaw719 4 года назад
Love Sue Perkins💕🤣
@cotedazure
@cotedazure Год назад
reminds me of the opening scene of Gung Ho!
@shamkumar3420
@shamkumar3420 3 года назад
Introvert: I think I need to take this course
@vivoslibertos
@vivoslibertos 3 года назад
The anime title is: How to raise an isekai reborn summoned male karen
@huehue5286
@huehue5286 4 года назад
>women are underrepresented in senior management You can take this shitty job any day, I would rather be a janitor than living this hell.
@MrRufusjax
@MrRufusjax 2 месяца назад
This is like the School for Failures in the movie Gung Ho.
@Phlegethon
@Phlegethon 4 года назад
guy says thank you for the meal. BBC White lady who doesn’t understand Japanese says in all seriousness “somebody really really didn’t like the main course”
@ignacio1759
@ignacio1759 3 года назад
Ok uncle, it was a joke jeez
@user-ou9ln4vl2n
@user-ou9ln4vl2n 4 года назад
I am Japanese but WTF. this is crazy lol. this is the craziest thing I have ever seen. is this for real ?
@PhenixJr1
@PhenixJr1 4 года назад
Why is this on my recommendation list 1st I'm American 2nd I dont speak Japanese 3rd I have never seen a video about any of this stuff. Yet for some reason I still find this interesting
@Buzz407-
@Buzz407- 4 года назад
Odd, I was just wondering the same thing. Have you been watching any aviation, military history, or cooking videos? :P We gotta figure this one out.
@ikennabede
@ikennabede 4 года назад
🤣🤣😂😂😂😅😅😅 I'm too weak to write my opinion.
@tip_vicious
@tip_vicious 3 года назад
Ur here after listening to Bill Burr ;)
@mattng4707
@mattng4707 Год назад
I feel they need a hug
@jway-o1u
@jway-o1u 4 года назад
I'm being nit-picky but I hate how around 3:40 when she is listing companies she says "Sony, and my own personal favorite; Playstation". Playstation is a product of Sony Interactive Entertainment which is a subsidiary of Sony. It is not a business and to list it after Sony would be as if when she mentioned Toyota she also included "Her favorite" (Company); Camry. I think she may have been trying to seem "trendy" by forcing Playstation into the statement
@kingstone9408
@kingstone9408 2 года назад
Japan is military academy!
@kaorimakino
@kaorimakino 4 года назад
If they spend this time in actually working and living a true life, they might be very productive. Resting is a part of working !
@mouseminer2978
@mouseminer2978 4 года назад
It is just a military standard. Discipline is the key.
@PeckiePeck
@PeckiePeck 8 месяцев назад
It's really hilarious how they have to shout everything.
@reporterborracho
@reporterborracho 4 года назад
Assisti esse programa na CNN Brasil. É fantástico. Mostra um Japão que pouca gente conhece.
@kawaimike2507
@kawaimike2507 Месяц назад
I just say this is so crazy
@y.y.4673
@y.y.4673 4 года назад
This led to a train accident which killed 107 people 15 years ago today.
@BushidoDevilDog
@BushidoDevilDog 2 года назад
Exactly.
@dawnmendenhall9359
@dawnmendenhall9359 4 года назад
I remember her from the British Bake Show.
@noiselesspatient
@noiselesspatient 4 года назад
Horrendous. What a shame she didn't visit Eihe-ji or Antai-ji to observe how they teach self-discipline which is truly transformative. Wouldn't have made 'must-see' TV, I suppose...
@missxmarvel
@missxmarvel 3 года назад
I wished I was raised like that.
@cathybaldry7822
@cathybaldry7822 Год назад
That must be one tough management course
@RafaelDsHere
@RafaelDsHere 3 года назад
i cant watch karen
@aflyingwhale
@aflyingwhale 4 года назад
It is not Japanese culture but military cultures of fascism.
@andipandi5641
@andipandi5641 4 года назад
or you could see it this way - Britain and Japan have a lot in common - both island races.. we have public schools - they have this place.. the sun has not long ago given up dressing its models as sexualised school girls and the daily mail has only recently given up presenting us with sexualised images of school girls themselves - japan has only recently made child-pornography illegal.. police in this country never charged jimmy savile with anything and have yet to interview any catholic bishop or prince andrew under caution - while police in japan actively protect businesses sexually exploiting very young women.. in this country fox hunters continue to hunt sweet little dogs - while many japanese continue to kill dolphins and whales..
@KlyffHanger
@KlyffHanger 3 месяца назад
This do be more gruelling than the Hashira Training Arc tho... Blud's are getting the Training arc of their life. Gonna get a hold of that One Piece after Graduation. Non-Japanese: This is Crazy! Why would they sign up? Japanese: This is Crazy! Where do I sign up?
@rexchang5621
@rexchang5621 2 года назад
I don’t agree with the over formality of this kind of training, but I absolutely hate how condescending this reporter looks
@anderzonmanrique8777
@anderzonmanrique8777 4 года назад
2:37 TREASURE MEME!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA KONNICHIWA
@yerovi86
@yerovi86 3 года назад
🏃 KONICHIWA! 🏃‍♂️ KONICHIWA!
@vaibhavsainiofficial
@vaibhavsainiofficial 3 года назад
It is looking like a military training
@oopopp
@oopopp 4 года назад
When JOKER isn't fighting Batman... I see him starting a school like this... haha.....
@fullstackhead3450
@fullstackhead3450 4 года назад
Interesting!!
@UnclePutte
@UnclePutte 4 года назад
It all looks like busy work.
@hacihocni6156
@hacihocni6156 4 года назад
This is cool
@jakkuwolfinsomnia8058
@jakkuwolfinsomnia8058 9 месяцев назад
I love how Japan takes everything to the extreme but my god they’re under so much intense pressure no wonder they’re all getting heart attacks
@RT-ww9pn
@RT-ww9pn 4 года назад
This is very irritating. The reporter named Sue Perkins is very rude, she tries to pretend to be neutral and objective, although. Moreover, this documentary strengthen the stereotype of Japanese. What is the aim of this documentary? This kind of training is criticized in Japanese society, but it doesn't even touch upon it. Moreover, this program shows Solo Wedding and other weird things in the way that emphasizes "Japanese weirdness". BBC is a British leading media, isn't it? Is Britain a state which promotes prejudice on a certain culture? This is so disgusting.
@verygoodboy5724
@verygoodboy5724 2 года назад
Waa arin layaab ah
@Ultradude604
@Ultradude604 4 года назад
She's giving what Larry David would call, "a shit bow".
@Tonytayloring
@Tonytayloring 4 года назад
So that's the way they churned out crazy Japanese soldiers into Kamikaze attackers & banzai chargers
@ichi_san
@ichi_san 2 года назад
Some companies are probably as traditional as this, however hot damn this particular company is very extreme! Executive jobs in Japan look really tough... However I have heard that if you join a more 'globally minded' company they aren't as strict
@zsuzsadosane3863
@zsuzsadosane3863 10 месяцев назад
Wery good This film but your all film! Good your explanation and comment I agree all ! Thank you, From Hungary ❤️👍I see no BBC EARTH❤️
@swirlandtwirl5417
@swirlandtwirl5417 8 месяцев назад
CAN YOU SURVIVE THIS???
@kalumeet1
@kalumeet1 4 года назад
interesting way to learn empathy 🤣😂
@mattng4707
@mattng4707 Год назад
This is great the presenter so funny
@kcjfilms2946
@kcjfilms2946 Год назад
3:53 she is wrong. Japan companies are not leading anymore. Japan economy and population in freefall
@shadow_gamer_7773
@shadow_gamer_7773 4 года назад
PS4 is best console, proven by bbc
@daventi5677
@daventi5677 3 года назад
Probably works better than obesity camp in losing weight
@dsirulz1
@dsirulz1 4 года назад
KONICHIWA People: 0__0 ......
@curtiscarpenter9881
@curtiscarpenter9881 4 года назад
Japan discipline, self reliance, hardworking, humility and honour, Japan.
@ethicalphytophage
@ethicalphytophage 3 года назад
The concept of shame at failing such a bonkers class is itself bonkers. I can imagine that such an absolutist view of what constitutes success is one of the reasons for the high number of suicides per capita in certain parts of Japan. (No offense to the Japanese people meant. All the Japanese people I've met have been absolutely wonderful. I am critical of the philosophy shown in this video, that's all.)
@douglasbullet6456
@douglasbullet6456 2 года назад
This is the first time I've ever seen or heard a grown say that she likes a PlayStation
@DanielLopez-sh2pp
@DanielLopez-sh2pp 3 года назад
I am replacing mine with Ai. My business will just a Ai program running everything soon. So how will this help me at all?
@hackeem7
@hackeem7 2 года назад
I’m worried for Japan now
@aproy5256
@aproy5256 9 месяцев назад
Sorry, this is not the most of Japanese companies or academy. However, there are a lot of companies doing these strange activities in daily work.
@vivoslibertos
@vivoslibertos 3 года назад
So the graduates either become bully or bullied.
@35340505
@35340505 Месяц назад
To be honest saying FROM a Japanese man who born in 1990 I HAVE experienced kinda this training at just normal self gas station really when I was high school student for just part time job😂😂😂😂 I would say to the Japanese who said that this video is extreme.They are upper class people and don't know the reality. The persons doesn't know what is real Bottom society in Japan
@balkarsinghtoor8084
@balkarsinghtoor8084 3 года назад
I went to the wrong business school :(
@vupham5252
@vupham5252 4 года назад
This is so silly :)) but also unproductive
@beaverpoo8086
@beaverpoo8086 4 года назад
AUIIIIAUIIOAUIIIOOEOEOEO
@carmenantonia3317
@carmenantonia3317 4 года назад
SUE AMO VOCE!
@KH-rx5ts
@KH-rx5ts 4 года назад
looks like a cult training session
@zhuoyanpan1253
@zhuoyanpan1253 3 года назад
I wonder whether this training is a must or more like an extracurricular activity for managers-to-be?
@markhorney7625
@markhorney7625 2 года назад
Wow, after seeing GUNG HO with michael Keaton, I was curious if these sort of places exist. I'm suprised.. XD
@jammysmee701
@jammysmee701 4 месяца назад
Huh, PlayStation IS Sony!! 🤦‍♂️
@atharsuhail4465
@atharsuhail4465 Год назад
Are they preparing manager or fish seller
@SLAP1FACE
@SLAP1FACE 4 года назад
wtf. (directed towards her) lol
@maxsteel9704
@maxsteel9704 Год назад
Thats to crazy 🤦🤦
@aliubed3162
@aliubed3162 4 года назад
Shit is this some shit that only the best Japanese business people understand cause it’s beyond me how this cartoon comedy will turn anybody into a golden entrepreneur but then I’m neither Japanese or in business
@shashankkatiha9439
@shashankkatiha9439 2 года назад
Nonsense!! this training school has a pact with only the black companies it seems.
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