The Inside Story of how Hyper Light Breaker Became an Open World Roguelike 

and for the love of god PLEASE let the composers pop off lmao

Aka 99.999999% of every game in this era.

@@shallot4991 let that man cook

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Agreed. Procedural generation is great BUT currently it has large drawbacks. No Mans Sky and Warframe is an example of the good and the drawbacks of it. But procedural generation works for those because of what the games are trying to be. One drawback is that the experiences will vary per player and generally arent controlled. Sometimes thats bad, sometimes thats good. Another being the lack of tailored experiences such as scenic views being seen after a fight in an area designed for a fight, or towering structures you need to see in the distance intentionally to provide direction to the player wont always be in clear view or seen at all. Secret areas may be placed in not-so-secret spots, etc. Doesnt mean that it cant be done, just that currently no one has done it that well yet. I think a hybrid-procedural approach would be better where only some areas are procedural between non-procedural areas for the tailored experiences to still hit right. Hopefully HLB will somehow figure out how to make procedural open-world games as good as the tailored experience ones.

@@jrod1577 by using houdini to do all procgen baked it kindof has that aspect. im wondering about the size of the world and how much of it will be inspected versus unsupervised

I'm still playing through Solar Ash, but for me personally the game doesn't benefit from its dense secret laden map. The game feels best when you move quickly, which is in constant conflict with the urge to find all the secrets. Tying in with this, I find it hard to orient in some of the areas, due to the general design, shifting gravity and lack of focal points. Which makes sense lore-wise, but doesn't work with the gameplay. If the character in this new game controls similarly as in Solar Ash, but you don't have to constantly stop to orient yourself, then I might enjoy it more.

honestly the thing I liked the least about drifter was the secrets. I kept coming back thanks to the snappy gameplay

Not to be pedantic, but it is a roguelite, not a roguelike, which is not quite the same thing. Plus, they have said that there will also be a lore reason as to the "respawn" and for the world to change every time.

This company made fun of a man that killed himself over false allegations. Great company. Some pos posted on twitter with 0 proof that this indie dev assaulted her, he then lost his job, the entire indie world turned against him, then he offed himself. The little weasels at this company made fun of him after. Oh yah the person who accused him is a scammer and is close with ppl at this company. Such amazing ppl. She went into hiding after. One tweet and a man lost everything.

​@@HonkeyKong54gonna need a source for this mate

@@nitricswight Alec Holowka

@@nitricswight don’t use the bs Wikipedia either

@@HonkeyKong54 what does this mean, what are you talking about

Making games is so much of that kind of stuff and it's like one of the most fun parts of the process

@@hyperfixatedd I think this is why it made me laugh. I’m working on a small game and have had things like this LOL

@@lilrockstar77 let's gooooo! Awesome, man

While I agree with you, I really miss the 2d

honestly I've logged so much time into RoR2 that it'd be hype for, somehow, an improvement to that 3d roguelike style

I was thinking along the same lines bu I think in this case the focus seems to be more on the meele combat, which combined with the open world aproach instead of levels will differentiate it enough I think. It would fit nicely and have it's own place imo among other rogulikes as there are little to no good 3D melee focused action roguelikes. Yeah we have top down 2D and side 2D, and shooter 3D with Risk of Rain and Returnal, but no 3D melee action roguelike that I can think of.

@@gjergjipocari8227 hand of fate is all that comes to mind for me lol

Yeah, the creators can upload their own captions to fix that, and it would only take a couple of hours to type them out, but NoClip doesn't want to bother. They'll fly around the world to get the footage but won't take the time to type up 30 minutes of words.

those are autogenerated by RU-vid, and some of the misheard words end up being pretty funny

You’re a fan eh? Do you have the snes cartridge, the vinyls, the art books, the collectors edition on switch, or perhaps the rarest gem of them all..the cassettes?

I'm not big on roguelikes either. But I do recommend Risk Of Rain 2 while you wait for this game. The game starts with 3 different difficulty options and you can become extremely powerful quickly. Those devs also had a similar transition of having a 2D game to a 3D sequel. The game also has fantastic lore and environmental storytelling, and log books full of hilarious descriptions and fun details/back stories on the universe and it's characters.

Thank you. Somebody else says it. That kept annoying me every time.

It's the ridiculous masks, which have been proven to not work at all against the coof, or any other airborne virus, that is restricting air to their brains for them to think rationally. 🤢

Pretty sure he means the ever-shifting nature of it, just failed to mention it that one time.

They're focused on having a diverse staff and monitoring the air quality of the office. Also, they're getting publisher money. Endless indulgences lead to subpar thinking and a subpar product.

Houdini can be messy but if the guy is a Houdini pro he can still do everything he needs in Houdini without messing around with new tools. My best guess. I'm a long time Houdini user who just tried out gaea recently. .. Houdini has plenty of easy terrain tools as well.

@@argylemanni280 You're focusing on preaching an agenda. Endless populistic cult-like following leads to subpar thinking and a subpar personality.

@@shotoutgames8823 That's exactly my point, sometimes ppl get caught up in their own expertise and overcomplicate while just using a more specific tool could yield more efficient workflows. I know Houdini can do everything, I'm certain the tech art lead is a master of his craft, I just thought that Houdini for that application could be overcomplicating. Tools like World Machine and Gaea have been around for ages now. But I understand that having 2separate tools can sometimes detract from the workflow, but considering they weren't being able to make it work, IDK.. But ofc we probably don't have the full story regarding the issues around that as well, or I'm most likely missing something as well.

It's probably their first 3D game as well, which might be a huge jump for a team as well.

Ok but dwarf fortress is not a roguelike? A better game to prove your point would be Noita.

@@TheMantisLord50 Dwarf Fortress is a roguelike though. It has an adventure mode which is fully turn based, with permadeath, in a procedurally generated 3D open world.

​@@TheMantisLord50 dwarf fortress is not meant to be a roguelike but the adventure mode certainly is one

I think they mean the ever-shifting open world that has a lore reason as to why certain areas change is new??? Maybe?

Yeah random generation just seems boring and lifeless, lacks artistic ideas a real artis could create

The amount of people who don't know that pre generated randomisation is a thing pisses me off a lot

You played ash before drifter???

I love (well-made) roguelikes but I was shocked when I saw the title since HLD was so handcrafted and focused. Conceptually it's very bold to make the sequel to your game with a 100% opposite game design philosophy? But I legit don't see any connective tissue between HLD and this. As long as the game's fun, I guess... as always, wait for reviews.

I feel the opposite. Their games feel super good to play, it'll be nice to have that last for more than 8 hours. I beat Solar Ash in one session.

@@Largentina. That's weird but ok.

Eh, Returnal, Risk of Rain 2, Warframe's tilesets, and Caves of Qud show me how roguelikes can be done fun without losing specialness

It's not a "sequel" though. Nor a prequel, even though it takes place before HLD. It is just set in the same world, has some of the same lore. It doesn't have anything to do with HLD's story.

Hello fellow df, cdda fan

Or, maybe a bit smaller than that. I'm not some expert.

You’re not a hyper light drifter fan. Guaranteed you don’t have the good shit. (Collectibles)

That's kind of what HLB seemed at first, and I love RoR2 so I'm very down for that, especially after finally playing Solar Ash late last year. Their style would be amazing for a similar game with more RPG elements, but man now it's going procedural?! It's gonna be a lot of fun to see that develop in early access.

a procedurally generated ROR2 with item and HLD style combat sounds fun as fuck

Looks like Fortnite.