A friend of mine got upset because I made him a peanut butter sandwich, knowing he has a peanut allergy. I explained that I was just subverting his expectations.
Donovan , thank you. I’m tired of being made to think I’m some kind of literary dunderhead for not understanding this *rational* explanation for arriving at irrational endings to story arcs. Following the money is, on the other hand, the most rational explanation for subverting our expectations!
@@belisarius6949 Told well, he has a fantastic story. Born a peasant in abject poverty, Gendry learned an honest trade and became a apprentice to a renowned smith. Forced to flee, he decided to join the night's watch. When his friends were attacked on the road, he bravely defended them. He survived imprisonment in harrenhal and escaped with the help of arya stark and a faceless man. He was captured by the brotherhood who recruited him upon hearing of his skills. Unfortunately he was betrayed and sold to a red priestess. He then learned the secret of his lineage as the natural son of the king. His kings blood was used in a spell to kill three kings. He was rescued by the onion knight and rowed himself to kings landing. Years later, he joined the forces of Daenerys Targarion. He agreed to adventure north of the wall on a quest to capture evidence of the threat of the white walkers. He saves the company from certain death by running back to deliver a message to Daenerys. He returns to winterfell and fights in the battle to defeat the white walkers. Upon their victory, he is legitimized by the queen and raised to lord of the Stormlands and lord of the greatest castle known to man, Storms End. He continues to serve under Daenerys and fights to remove Cersei Lannister. Hundreds of thousands die in the battle of the mad queens. Upon their deaths, he is summoned for a great council to determine the next ruler of the realm. The council elects him King Gendry Barathean. Rightful king of all Westeros. Lord protector of the realm. King of the Andals, The First Men, The Rhoynar, and the Free Folk.
Grandmother of Robert Baratheon was a Targaryen so that makes Gendry second cousin once removed of Daenerys and Jon's third cousin - he is totally legit to inherit the Melted Throne.
The ironborne‘s nobles choose the king. That’s like a republic. Sam advocates for a direct democracy, which to be fair when 90+% of the population is uneducated peasants, direct democracy sounds silly Edit: replies are right, Sam advocates for an elected monarchy, not a direct democracy. Also the ironborne are not required to be noble to have a say
@@mantis2048 Actually during the medieval period similar to GoT setting most nobles themselves were illiterate only monks, priests and nobles who deemed it necessary would learn to read and write. Therefore having peasants whom btw supply all the FOOD having some say in the affairs of the psychotic ruling classes isn't that far fetched. The history of democracy according to some historians stretches further back than the Greeks.
I was absolutely shocked into silence when Sansa did what she did to Edmure. It was beyond uncharacteristic of her (the Sansa of ASoIaF was ALWAYS courteous) and not just that, Edmure by all rights should have rebuked her for speaking to him in that way. The idea of turning him into a comic relief character was disgusting and Tobias Menzies is a damn good actor to boot.
I certainly imagine a Lord Paramount more like Tywin or Robert would have just slapped her, called her "a predenter Queen, a Cercei from House Stark" and carried on with their candidacy.
Even in the show (before season 5), Sansa very much respected all her family. Edmure is her uncle.... why would she disrespect her family in front of the most powerful people in Westeros????
That Edmure bit was absolutely perfect. Someone had to defend my poor floppy fish from this absolutely disrespectful writing and I‘m glad you answered the call, sir. Well done.
I thought I've seen all the criticism, this one is just icing on the cake. The segment was perfection indeed :). The only character I wish people stop complaining about is Jon Snow. He's retarded and gets a pass no matter what DD wrote up for him.
@@alanpennie8013 the evil tree won't last long: a survelliance state cannot rely on survelliance alone; he needs a repressive aparatus, he has no chance to develop. And the Night's Watch won't work as a Gulag, too. By every rule, in a year or son Jon should change the religion (from the Old Gods to the LOL), take a wife, father some children, and bring justice to the usurper Thee-eyed Raven who pretends to be Bran.
@@seitagosha Starks pre-Red Wedding: “We can’t believe GRRM kept killing them off like that. So cruel. We love them.” Starks post-Red Wedding: “Just kill them all. Tired of their bs.” D&D managed to succeed at what the Lannisters, Freys and Boltons failed to do so: convincing everyone that all Starks must die.
To be fair, I would much rather have Sir Edmure Tully ruling Westeros than emotionless, omniscient boy who all this time claimed he didn't want to be a lord, is not a Stark anymore, or even human, or didn't want anything from the world, but then, when he is presented with the opportunity to sit on the throne the first thing he says is "why do you think I've came all this way?". WTF? I see a whole sea of red flags waving...
@@tellyfan51 'Cause the Unsullied were basically in control of kingslanding (and were apparently back at full strength and not a depleted force after the long night anymore, idk man that 10000 went a LOOOOOooooooOOOOOOng way).
@@L0LyourFACE glossing over the fact that Dorne has an entirely fresh army still waiting on the beach for Danys fleet to pick up. The prince could of named himself or whoever king and killed any opposition haha
YES. It is so infuriating that not only does Bran become king, and not only does he say that, but that the other characters act like it was an amusing thing to say and nbd instead of realizing that what Bran is really saying there is, “I knew all along that you would make me king in the end, so I allowed thousands to sacrifice themselves at winterfell to keep me alive, then I allowed a dragon to be killed, then I allowed Dany to slaughter and burn MILLIONS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE, then I allowed my brother Jon to be exiled...all so I could be chosen to be your king right here. Ha ha, cool, right? I could have said or done something to stop it, I mean, I could have warged into a raven and pecked out Dany’s eyes and killed her, even, and saved all those innocent people including children, but hey, it all led to me being KING so suck it, innocent people! Me getting the throne makes all of your deaths worth it!” They ought to have all ripped him to pieces when he said that, not celebrated him! He’s worse than Dany! She at least was upset and angry; Bran just legit stepped aside and let her do what she did. Every person there lost people they loved and/or cared about, some of them lost those people because they died saving Bran, and he literally just said, “hey, your brother had to die so I could get the throne, so...sucks to be him!” I still can’t get over that. All that “I’m barely even human, I’m not Bran, I can’t rule because I have to be the world’s memory, it is so super important for me to do that that I can’t even weigh in on your stuff or care about it at all,” was basically a big huge LIE because he knew he’d rule at the end. EFF YOU BRAN. YOU PSYCHOPATHIC SCUMBAG. You deserve to be killed by all of those people who just stupidly elected you, a kid with zero experience or knowledge, who says he doesn’t care about anything or anyone and isn’t really even human anymore, a guy who has proven he’s happy to let millions die a horrifying and terrible death if it means he gets to be In charge, as their king. Just, ffs. The worst ending ever.
God sake your thick as shit! Daenerys literally says the episode before that she has deployed half her forces to the north and half her forces to the south to defend against Cersei in the event of a attack by the Lannister’s! All you idiots who pay no attention to what is actually said in the series and bitch and moan about things that you missed! GTFO! Imbeciles who don’t pay attention to a series that they apparently ‘love and adore’ 😂😂
How could Dany possibly remember what the iron throne looked like in her vision in s02? She couldn't even remember the iron fleet after talking about it in the same episode.
If he knows everything he should have saved all the lives of the people in King's landing, but then he probably wouldn't be king so he's really is broken (in the head). Burn him.
ASOIAF Edmure is what a true ruler should be. He truly cared for his people. (Cat) Hundreds of smallfolk had been admitted to the castle, and allowed to erect crude shelters against the walls. Their children were everywhere underfoot, and the yard teemed with their cows, sheep, and chickens. “Who are all these folk?” "My people," Edmure answered. "They were afraid''
@@victormeunier9075 Absolutely spectacular idea! Looking back at him, I think you're right and Edmure really will be like Faramir. Lord of his own realm, magnanimous towards all, loved by his people. Edmure may be kinda dumb but he's one of the genuinely nicest characters in the whole series
The problem is, that there's so much more unexplored with whatever Brann is. Could be a tree, could be much, much worse. For all we know, there could be something diabolical under that bored face of his. It's a story involving magic, undead kings, dragons and whatnot. Let's make a cripple that survived a journey north of the wall, while shit hit the fan, the King. What could possibly go wrong?
Edmure isn’t a very capable military commander however he is shrewd and unlike Robb’s dumbass lust for that Westerling girl that got him killed he knew better than to piss of the Frey’s and that stopped him from getting executed and he is 10x better than handicapped bran
@@factbeaglesarebest To be fair in comparison to Bran he'd be a far better king. If we go by books we'd have a currently 9 year old going against a 20-30 something who has experience ruling the Riverlands for years. Even if they aren't a Kingdom, they are large lands and Edmure is one of the few Lords who shows concerne for the smallvolk, aka what should be any Lords job, if they weren't so caught up in who gets the biggest piece of cake in politics. But since Edmure only had one of his really character showing scenes from the books and they made him an absolute idiot in every single other one, it was pretty clear that they'd make him an idiot here too. Not that show Bran becoming a King would make more sense, the kid does have zero experience in ruling anything at all. I think there was a Tywin speech in season 4 about why only knowing things doesn't make you a good king. To conclude: none of these would be good kings in the show, because the bad writing decisions started in season 1 (maybe they should have kept Jeyne Poole) and kept getting worse until they ran out of books and then it was a huge mess. [Btw I get why they omitted Ned's fever dream and dreams in general for the style they wanted to go for but it kept us from a lot of really important character moments and they did basically nothing to work around it. Changeing something can go well if you know how to do it. But D&D definitly don't.]
@Alexander Kerensky The 7 Kingdoms are -the North -the Vale -the Westerlands -the Reach -the Stormlands -Dorne So far all what you said is right. And the last Kingdom is the Iron Islands and the Riverlands. They used to be 1 Kingdom ruled by the Ironborn with their seat on Pyke. The Iron Islands are the 7th Kingdom, the Riverlands got split from them during Aegons conquest between House Tully and House Greyjoy, after the burning of Harrenhall. So Harren Hoare was the last King of the Rivers and Isles and the guy was totally hated, didn't rule much and build Harrenhall which was horrible for the economy of the whole Kingdom and after Aegon came we became and even worse King, which lead to the rebellion from the Riverland Lords. House Tully led the rebellion against Harren Hoare, their last King for the Targarynes and after Harrenhall fell they got the Riverlands for that, while the remaining Ironborn went back to the Iron Islands. Aegon went there to take over and granted them to choose their leader as they did with the Kingsguard, only that they didn't rule for a King, but a Lord. They chose Vickon Greyjoy and after that the Greyjoys have held the title of Lord Reaper of Pyke. So the Kingdom comes from the King of the Isles and Rivers with the seat on Pyke. The Riverlands and Iron Islands are technically one Kingdom but the Riverlands itself are not one, because the seat and conquest came from the Iron Islands.
Jon died less than a year later after choosing to live in the coldest place in the world as the harshest winter ever recorded set in. Sansa Bolton lost her crown several years later after a disastrous start to her reign. The toll of 3 major wars in less than a decade meant the new northern kingdom lacked sufficient food supplies and man power to last the winter. Thousands froze and starved, her lords rose up and she was forced into exile where she spent the rest of her years working in a pleasure house in Essos. With no seafaring ability whatsoever, Arya and her novice crew became lost at sea in the vast uncharted ocean. After weeks without food, the ship turned to cannibalism, the lifeless ship is still lost out there somewhere to this day. After showing up at Storms End claiming to be Gendry Baratheon true born son of Robert Baratheon Lord of the storm lands and liege lord to its inhabitants he was promptly beaten up by Stannis loyalists and thrown in a ditch. Irritated by the fact only the North was granted independence, the new prince of Dorne and Yara Greyjoy rose up against the crown. The ironborn raids on the North contributed to Sansas downfall and the Dornish attacks on the supply lines from the reich were a disaster for Brans reign. Disgruntled with the incompetence of the new lord of the reach, Bronn was assassinated in his sleep surrounded by whores from all corners of the earth. His lavish spending and refusal to act against the dornish invasions had disgruntled all in his sphere of influence, plots were quickly hatched to remove him from power. The now again starving people of Kings landing rose up against their new king. With no clear law enforcement left after the massacre of the Lannister forces and the departing of the unsullied, only a few kings guard were present to hold back the mob. Bran was tossed from a window and fell to his death. Brienne now having failed to protect two kings and killing another was branded ‘Brienne the useless’. She returned to Tarth where she fell into a deep depression until her eventual suicide a few years later. After escaping the Kings landing mob through the tunnels under the city. Tyrion Lannister remembered he was Lord of Casterly Rock and Warden of the West. He returned home where he lived out the rest of his days drinking and whoring spending what remained of his family’s fortune. With no clear heir after Brans death, the succession council failed to agree on who should be king. The country was thrown into the bloodiest civil war the world had ever seen. Hundreds of would be kings came and went, by the time the war was over, more than 150 kingdoms littered the country.
MR5pAMFixER I gave a thought once the show was over to who was brans troops now that Sansa is the ruler of the north and all that. Still haven’t come up with anything but maybe house 3 eyed raven lol
Tbh, that's probably what would actually happen in real life. Something very like it. At the very least the 7 kingdoms have been left in a precarious position. A handful of nobles have decided they want to run things a certain way, what on earth is there to stop one of the rest of the feudal lords overturning that and making themselves King / Queen of the united 7 kingdoms? Did everyone suddenly stop being human beings? Did everyone suddenly get "good" and "noble" and begin acting for the good of the realm? Did the rest of the lords suddenly stop wanting power for self and family just because Tyrion, Bron, Bran and Sam are in charge?
Yeah, what the f*ck was that Sansa line? I grew to like Sansa, but that was just absurd. Aren't you all there to *discuss* why a certain person should or should not be put forth as the new monarch? That was ridiculous, and so brutal.
@@DrRAZI99 Yeah, who's laughing now? Edmure. Except Edmure's not laughing because he's too good-hearted to laugh at the misfortune of others. Even if they're cunts.
- Yara remains silent in the face of a girl's death threat. - Yara accepting the independence of the north knowing that all Yara has done in the show is fight for the Iron Islands to be independent. - Yara laughing at the idea of democracy proposed by Sam knowing that this is how the salt king is chosen in the Iron Islands. WTF Yara.
"Who will be our new king?" "How about that weird guy who sits quietly by himself only occasionally muttering random things like 'Chaos is a ladder'?" "Sounds good to us......" '
The thing is, D&D thought it would be genius to yet again subvert expectations and let bran be king. And SOMEHOW we were supposed to think, that he planned all this. So he let thousands die on purpose to be king? Ah no matter, not like anything mattered in the end. Might aswell give hot pie the crown and say he planned it all.
@@CODA96 Maybe it;s not so much that he planned it, but he knew what was going to happen. It's not good for him either way. But at least being the 3 eyed Raven he can see the anyone trying to plot against him. Or something.
@@EfftupSmith Its stupid. Bran even said himself ''I cant be Lord of anyone'' - but he can be King over 7 nations? What? Also Bran could have foreseen literally everything and teach Jon and all the others about Dany going crazy or the Night King getting oneshotted by invisible arya with teleportation skills. Yet he remained silent and never used his new found power BESIDES telling Littlefinger that chaos is a ladder, which was the only thing Bran did. So essentially Brans entire journey to see the future and past only existed so he could troll Littlefinger and tell Jon hes the rightful heir... which wasnt brought up again, ever. I mean D&D could have written it in a way that Dany (being focused on the throne since years) finds out that Jon is the rightful heir, and seeing how people love him and despise her ''Bend the knee or die'' behavior would finally push her over the edge and start a war against Jon and the north. This would be content for another season without the constant garbage they pumped out past Season 5. Its honestly sickening to see how fast GOT vanished away from everyones mind with an ending that bad.
@@CODA96 Yeah, there was a definite change in the writing after they ran out of book stories. In some ways I thought it would have been better if Jon had ended up like Carrot in the Terry Pratchett books. Anyone important KNOWS he's the rightful heir but although he doesn't want the throne, he's always there to remind whoever is on the throne he could take it from them whenever he wanted so it keeps them from stepping too far out of line. But then I also thought it would have been better if the Night King won the Long night. They made a big deal about how they needed EVERYONE to fight to save the whole country. maybe Cersei should have been crowing to herself about her winning the Game of Thrones only to see all her enemies, now with white eyes standing next to the Night King and the entire undead army at the gates, she realises that her selfish stubborn fighting for the throne has cost the ENTIRE population of Westeros. Bran might work in the books, but there would be an actual reason, and it wouldn't just come out of nowhere.
@@EfftupSmith The Night King should have advanced to Kings Landing. I believe there should be no argument that teleporting oneshot arya killing him and his entire army in a matter of seconds was dumb. Not to mention the guy never got to draw his sword. But this stupid scene was already planned in S7, with the ''If you kill a WW, you also kill the Zombies/Dwights resurrected by him'' - which reduces the extreme danger of 10.000+ Dwights to the Night King alone. Thats like saying if you kill Dany her dragons instantly drop dead. It just spits on every single scene depicting the danger of the Walkers, because apparently you only need to kill the night King for EVERYONE to drop dead. To the rest i can only agree. The plot of the WW's was driven against a wall, such was the brain of every character and every plotline such as Dorne, Qyburn, the resurrected Mountain, Jons heritage etc. If you havent seen it already, i recommend Attack on Titan. It actually got inspired by Game of Thrones alot, but ultimately prevailed in its detail and deep lore, and never failed to deliver. Sadly GOT (the show) did.
Edmure Tully, i hated what they did to him in the show from his first scene to his last. A joke. In the books it clearly states he missed with the bow because he was drunk, because he was grieving the loss of his fucking father!
Same! I hated how everyone in this show treated Edmure like he's some sort of a buffoon from the start! Fking Robb drags his family to a war and Edmure seems to be a good commander defeating Lannister contingents. How did Robb thank him? By tearing into him for messing up a grand plan Robb had in HIS MIND! Who's fault is that for not sharing the battle plans WITH YOUR COMMANDERS! Fk you, Robb! And even after that, he selflessly agreed to marry a Frey to make up for the golden boy Robb's fk up! Gets imprisoned for years! Blackfish, his own family doesn't give two shits about him. Blackfish was willing to sacrifice his own kin to save his childhood home! Fk you, Blackfish! And fking Sansa has the gall to disrespect that guy. When all Sansa was doing was...basically nothing. She gets pushed around by literally everyone in the show. gets butt fd by a psycho and suddenly she's become the most badass, super smart, girl-boss of the entire North! Fk you, Sansa!
to say S08 was disappointing was kind of an understatement. Sure there were fuck-ups from S04-S07 but most I didn't mind; except for Tyrion's brain going to soup and 'the best swordsman that ever lived' killed by a bunch of petty criminals with kitchen knives. But in S08 I was like.... wtf is this shit. It totally diverted from the wiki that D&D earlier followed. I expected an epic mind game between Bran and the night-king before they lost the battle and had to retreat further south (as in the wiki). But nooo, we got 3 hours of dark screen to look at which they dared to call 'the most epic battle in cinematic history' then some girl that got some 'Valah murgulis' skills got to kill the night king with the same technique she earlier used on Breinne of Tarth, coz FeMiNiSt MaRy SuE StUnNiNg AnD bRaVe 🤡 and it went only downhill from there. Like D&D totally forgot their set up that Jon was a Targaryan too.... to me it would make more sense if eventually Jon and Dani would got the throne and Targaryan rule would be restored with the both of them ruling benevolently and ending the war and create another period of peace and prosperity to the realm. Instead 'vahlar muglusis' girl forgot she could change faces, Bran went offline completely, and the Lanisters didn't know where the previous 6 seasons had gone, Tyrion cries for his sister while uuhm yeah that same sister tried to kill him by any means necessary, which is why he fled in the first place, the Dothraki got to respawn like it was a multiplayer game after they were slaughtered to the last man and argh.... D&D messed up SO big!
3:13 - Since when could the Dothraki understand High Valyrian? My headcanon: Dothraki 1: "What's she saying? I don't understand High Valyrian." Dothraki 2: "She just roasted half a million people alive on a whim, you really wanna test her patience? Just clap. Clap dammit!" Dothraki: *clapping*
Since when can literally all the dathraki get killed in a battle, turn into zombies and then spontaneously re-emerge in full force with no explanation?
There's a lot of wonderful takes in this but Edmure's speech set to "This is the Moment" (which is a relatively obscure musical theater JAM, so props to you!) takes the cake. I was near tears, not just with laughter, but also because of your heartfelt defense of MY BOI EDMURE FUCKIN' TULLY who is so shockingly shafted in this show, despite being one of the sweetest, most well-intentioned and honorable characters in the books, bless his little fishy heart.
kinda true if you think about it, they killed off so many characters by the end that all the death that happened in the last two episodes didn't matter and was boring af lmao
@Sure0Foot bruh when i take a long bath i keep that on. I complete 1/3rd of the vid each bath, so in 3 weeks i will have complerdd the vid. Its great fun to hear
3:43 D&D love Arya, or more accurately, Maisie. They don't need a reason to have her in the scene, they need a reason to *not* have her there. 15:56 Bran's story is so good that he was absent from an entire season.
@@delusionalunicorn5324 Maisie's 22 - they haven't had a crush on a teenager since Season 6! HBO's legal team handily produced charts to say that this whole showrunners totally in love with Maisie/Arya thing definitely isn't creepy right before episode 2.
I love how we had 8 seasons of scheming for the Iron Throne for the whole thing to be wrapped up in 15 minutes with all the great lords just agreeing with Tyrion's first idea. Why didn't they just do this in s1 and save us all the trouble
@@jens6398 no no no! It's: Can he be king, he doesn't want it! Okay. Do you accept? Yeah, why do you think I came all this way? So you want it? No, and because you also don't want to be the hand you'll be the hand.
The Programmer of video games it wasn’t convoluted. I could follow along just fine. Sure, some story lines weren’t finished, but they finished the actually important ones instead of the few dozen ones that had no actual bearing on the story. It certainly wasn’t the best season, but it wasn’t as bad as the people who are basically exploding in rage over it think it is.
Yeah the North presumably would not tolerate Jon Snow being in prisoned and banished.... Not even if it means his sister running the north and his brother running the iron thr
In the North’s perspective, Jon was the one who saved them from the Boltons, bastard or not. Meanwhile, Sansa, who was married to Ramsay Bolton, usurped the throne from Jon and made herself the queen which restored the Bolton rule in the North again.
Tyrion's not-democracy really is worse in every way. The great advantage of a monarchy is the clear line of succession, with no doubt about who is in charge. The weakness is obviously that the smallfolk get shat on. In this system, there is no longer a set in stone succession and lots of opportunity for wars, politics and messy stuff like that. While the smallfolk probably get shat on even more in the resulting instability.
Unless the new heir is an idiot or sadistic, or worse a sadistic idiot. There are real world examples of elected monarchies that were more or less functioning. The system is far from perfect, but so are most systems. And it is a good step away from absolute monarchy towards a constutional monarchy/democracy.
@@mathy1799 i know this comment is 5 months old and nobody cares but, the system proposed will really have no impact. Wars would start, powers would shift, rulers would change and things would be back to the way they were. So no it was most definitely not a good step
@@sarwatarannya8786 Yeah, ppl. misunderstand Westeros' monarchy. It's not an absolute monarchy, it's a feudal monarchy. The monarch essentially has to rely on the loyalty (bought or bred) of his nobles to exercise justice, taxes, public works projects, etc. Most monarchies work this way, even the "absolute" ones. Given that by season 8 even the best of the Westerosi nobility are complete dipshits (looking at you, gaslighting xenophobic children whose irrational hatred is somehow proven after the fact), this means running a government in Westeros is and always has been a pain in the ass & will continue to be so under the new system. I have no idea what Martin has in mind for all this. Like, in the event that Jon & Dany are out of the picture politically (hopefully in circumstances OTHER than her murder at his hands), Bran has decent chances as a compromise candidate at an honest Great Council a la Jaehaerys the old (not the impromptu nonsense in the show): Edmure, lord of the Riverlands is his uncle. Robin Arryn, lord of the Vale, is his 1st cousin. The memory of Theon Greyjoy may have some sway over Asha, who may feel voting Brandon will help rehabilitate the Iron Islands to the rest of Westeros, given how badly the Greyjoys treated the Starks historically. Even then, I'd still prefer an outcome with Dany as Queen. Just the idea that Martin thinks a half-god crippled boy with no claim would make a better king in his fantasy world than an adult woman of the royal house (who professes to do good & seems a reasonable enough person until the script decides she can't be anymore) leaves me cold. It's like he wants to re-write the Dance only make it MORE misogynistic (intentionally or no).
You can wake me up in the middle of the night 7 years from now and i will still happily tell you in minute detail how shitty this episode and the ending was.
@@joshdavis5991 Indeed, now that you have reminded me of this disaster, i'm still as pissed as 3.5 years ago. Have i told you how shitty that episode and the ending was, btw ? Unvelievably shitty. Anyway, let's see in another 3.5 years if anything has changed my mind by then. I doubt it.
If I were on the show there would have been arguments every day. I would literally have gone up to D&D and say this is fucking stupid. What are they going to do, recast Jon Snow?
As an actor, I don’t think you want reputation as someone who openly defies the directors. It’s just a warning sign that you’re difficult to work with, so people would rather pick someone else. Most of the cast is disappointed though, Kit literally said the ending was disappointing.
Yeah that's also what I thought about why the actors and actresses seem "happy" about it The actors and actresses practically have a red dot sight on their forehead. They probably just don't want to piss off the wrong people
@@scottk1525 Lol, really I was being sarcastic. But anyway, la tee da, you sound all grown up and sofiticated. Not. More like a stuck up little bitch. Whatever, go ahead with discriminating and discrediting people for their spiritual beliefs. Onward with the attack keyboard warrior.
Dany was right, Tyrion was always trying 2 protect his family! She should've attacked the Red Keep in S7, period. All her Dragons would be alive and the Wall would be intact!
@@abboud6393 You know, that never made any sense to me. How the fuck was the Night King ever going to get past the wall without Daenerys' dragon? If she never went north would he have had a backup plan? Really stupid writing. I always liked the theory that since the white walkers rose again that it was going to be the coldest winter since the long night. So cold that it would be enough to freeze the body of water next to the wall. Frozen enough for the White walkers and the Wights to be able to cross and pass the wall. That would have been cool..instead we got what we got...
She wanted to, even Yara, the Lady of Highgarden and the girls from Dorne were all behind her at this point.Plus she had all of her dragons, Unsullied and Dothraki armies intact. She shouldn't have listened to Tyrion. He knew his brother and sister would probably die when Daenerys took the Iron Throne, so he shouldn't have been sabotaging her plans from the beginning. As for Jon, fuck the North. According to Sansa, they didn't need her armies and dragons, cause they had badass superkiller girl Arya with plot armor so thick she could've defeated all of the attacking white walkers and the night King all by herself. She should've burned Tyrion when he got to Mereen. Once a Lannister, always a Lannister.
Drogon, like the nice dragon he is, burnt down the city so they could rebuild it with ramps and burnt the throne to make space for Bran's wheelchair. Isn't he a good dragon.
This will probably get lost in the comments but; I dipped on this show way back in season 3 when they made Robb Stark LAUGH at his uncle Edmure's failure to light his father's funeral pyre. Robb would have never, never disrespected his mother that way; he was as honourable as his father, and he LOVED his family. They massacred my boy (right before they massacred my boy) That being said, I love watching these recaps and I'm quite glad people are pointing out the absolute garbage shit writing and lazy plot holes.
You know what, you're right. Edmure might be the show's earliest complete butchering of a character. Book Edmure is a generous, kind soul who truly cares for his people in a way most lords never do. He's a sentimental guy who embodies the principles of his house. The dude accepts a life-long burden because his nephew made a mistake. Honestly Edmure is one of the books' few characters you could say has a good, honest, selfless heart. He's great. Show Edmure is a proud, bumbling buffoon who they want me laugh at in spite of the immense suffering he's gone through. Brynden and Robb laughing at him is an insult to all three of their characters. One of my favourite moments in Storm (high fucking bar there) is when Brynden kindly offers to perform Edmure's duty of shooting Hoster's pyre. It's just a beautiful realisation of what this family is all about. Absolutely ruined that moment in the show. I love the early seasons but they're not perfect. Making Edmure prideful and Brynden a badass old man who doesn't give a shit was a misstep.
I'm late, but what of how the Blackfish just RUDELY pushed HIS OWN LORD OUT OF THE WAY TO LIGHT THE PYRE INSTEAD? In the books, he was very polite about it. That was really horrible.
Seriously, it would have been better if Jesus returned during the big dumb meeting and exploded everyone with his eye lasers and then took the crown for himself with a couple bad b*tches by his side.
That awkward moment when watching videos trashing the last season of GOT than actually watching the last season. In the wise words of Olenna Tyrell, “it’s the only joy I get in all this misery.”
for me jon asking arya "what are you doing here" brook the fourth or fifth wall or something because everyone thought the same thing.People are appearing randomly everywhere and even Jon Snow is questioning the logic of his world at this point.
Jon is starting to realise that he wasn't actually brought back from the dead, and all of this is just a dying dream in his final moments after getting stabbed by the Watch.
Barristen does write his own entry in the books, Jaime even reflects on how funny it is that Barristan updated his own page before fleeing King's Landing.
Let's be real, who would dare step into the room to stop fucking Barristan from writing? The other knights probably brought him the ink and quill and pulled the chair for him.
The nights watch is small, that’s like a local democracy. The ironborne have a kind of republic where the nobles choose a king. Sam advocates for a direct democracy, which to be fair when 90+% of the population is uneducated peasants, direct democracy sounds silly
@@mantis2048 A Republic is a form of Democracy - why do so many people like to believe it's some kind of dichotomy when it's more like an umbrella under which a representative republic remains snug and dry from the rains of *MONARCHICAL TYRANNY!* Seriously, though - that's democracy. They could have a representative democracy with the lords demarcated by present spheres of influence presiding over public bodies of peasants organized according to their occupations (literally the one thing in the world the peasants will be knowledgeable about) - thus giving the peasants a power block while putting a stop-gap in place when it comes to uppity peasants trying to stick their noses in shit they have no clue how manage. Seriously, you're not going to let the dairy farmers balance the court budget. All they care about is their security and safety and livelihood - if you tell them to focus on the livelihood part, and let their liege lords handle the security and safety part - you have a symbiotic system - basically Feudalism - but with more town hall meetings. The symbiotic nature of Feudalism is affixed with the ability for peasants in their occupational bodies to elect executive officers and other officials which would speak on their behalf with the liege lords, and those officers would have an avenue in place to then reach out to the lord of their direct liege lords if they feel that those liege lords aren't holding up their end of the bargain. While the peasant bodies function amongst themselves in a more direct and ad-hoc "Night's Watch" capacity, the lords in the rungs upwards behave more like a representative monarchy or republic - these different organs fulfilling different bodily functions in different capacities, but working to uphold one whole entity. This is more of a thought experiment - one way this COULD go - than anything else, but I think your take on it is fairly boring and unproductive, to say the least.
@@fuzzydunlop7928 I think you seriously overestimate the extent to which simply describing a system in abstract means it is practical to implement. The "occupation" of the vast majority of peasants will simply be a farmer of staple crops, and they would have neither the ability nor the inclination to "organise". Not only are they all illiterate, but most of them would never have left the village in which they were born. You're right that they'd only care about their security and livelihood - but they wouldn't see how spending some of their precious time meeting _somewhere_ (not in a "town hall" since most of them will never even visit a town) to "organise" with people they have no real reason to meet would help with any of that. There's a reason why only specialised craftsmen and merchants really organised in the middle ages and it was only in the 19th century with the industrial revolution that organising extended to much of the population.
@@evoluxman9935 Or it could be the long history of explicitly non-democratic republics, such as the Italian city-state republics, or further back the largely non-democratic Roman Republic, which the American Founding Fathers knew about and considered carefully while designing the American Constitution.
@Cerebral Cortex CEH Ehhhhh, I don't see that being the intent. Arya disrespected and threatened Yara - where's the girl power with that? I think the intention was to present our young characters as having been molded and hardened by their experiences, but the issue resides in the fact that both Yara and Edmure were not exactly having the best of times either - I would've loved to see Edmure having grown from his incarceration to be more like Brynden. Then perhaps his off-screen death would mean something.
Brienne should've given Oathbreaker to a weaponsmith to remake the sword together with Widow's Wail into Ice again to give it back to the Starks. Since she kept her oath and now she should give it back
@@winterman8248 no doubt. If I was running the show, it would have been the first thing I would have done in Season 7. It had become a bad show with no consequences so nope cannot touch the "powerul whemen". Not to mention she betrayed her oath to protect Sansa by leaving her post to satisfy her vengeance.
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 here here good fellow I agree. She took the real King's life under the false userper Renley's name. Broke oath to Sansa, betrayed the Robb Stark war on the Lanisters by accepting to take Jamie to freedom under orders of Catelyn who is not a general or lord, but the King's mother previously lady of winterfell. Therefore Catelyn had no authority, making Brian's actings a crime.
"usually when you leave a place you end up in a different place" that cracked me up way more than it should have. your pisstakes certainly are the best outthere
Imagine what a terrible smug just annoying terrible ungrateful "Queen"she must be, all about just feeling absolutely nothing but disappointment with that terrible pointless dull dead ending compared to the just awesomeness of when they organically declared John snow to be their new King out of actual earned respect and accomplishment.
@@danielhicks4826 Sansa suffered the same fate that arya did. I really liked Arya in the first season. Tomboyish, loyal and her adventure was fun to watch. Sansa was a brat at first, but ultimately she gained my respect for changing into a stronger character. Yet, both just turn into edgy, boring, arrogant people in the last few seasons. Yes, she was abused by Ramsay. So? She acts like nobody else ever suffered, and still has the audacity to command him to sit. God, the whole season was such a trainwreck.
@Avani Marks Thats just one of many example of the writers trying to make the characters sound meaningful, not realising what neurotic drivel they're putting out.
I’ll never get over how stupid it is that John took the black again or the fact that there’s still a nightswatch. The Night King died and half the wall was blasted open. If anyone wanted to walk through then they could and not to mention the vast majority of the wildlings are south of the wall.
Logan Sanders You’re completely wrong. Not that I even care anymore, GOT is in the past for me now... but I can guarantee you that the whole journey of the characters involving the politics of the throne and the white walkers looming threat is rendered completely meaningless in season 8. The effectiveness of the previous seasons is rendered inert.
The Unknown Characters from the Great Council: Howland Reed: Might actually be Lord Mathis of House Rowan, the second most capable battle Commander (after Randyll Tarly) in the Reach, an able and sensible person, according to Kevan Lannister. They say he's clean-shaved (just like in the scene). I think he's the one who actually could represent the Reach. Jeff: Might actually be Ser Andrew of House Estermont. He's the Cousin of Robert, Stannis and Renly, additionally his father Lomas Estermont defended Storm's End alongside Ser Gilbert Farring from the Tyrells, since the departure of Stannis to the Wall. The Guy who rides for Gondor: Might actually be Lord Marlon of House Dormund. He's the only Northern Lord who's mentioned during the Show (by Tywin Lannister) but never appears in an episode. I'm not kidding, nearly all of the Northern Lords who are mentioned appear at least once, except for this fella. The fake Doran Martell: Might actually be Manfrey Martell. A cousin to Doran and Oberyn. He's also the Castellan of Sunspear throughout the Show. He might be the next Prince of Dorne, I think. The Prince of Dorne: Might actually be Lord Benedar of House Belmore. He's fat and has grey hair. He's an important ally to Lord Royce and he also a signed the document ,,Lords Declarant" (a document to replace Lord Petyr Baelish as Lord Protector of the Vale). I think this is all. Making a reasearch about these Characters took me five minutes. But, clearly the show creators were just too lazy to do that.
@@chasm671 I like to imagine Jon walking out of the throne room and immediately addressing one of the guards with: "Excuse me, I'd like to report a crime."
Why did anyone in westeros care is the real question. It's just bad writing, they wouldn't have, especially after learning he's the rightful heir and given the fact she just went scorched earth on them.
@@sergiocortes125 Which would be problem enough (since they were basically fine in the earlier seasons), but they get rewarded for it! Their gaslighting xenophobia is proven correct after the fact & as a result they all get what they apparently wanted (although Bran claims not to want anything) while every other character who was hitherto sympathetic to any extent gets shafted to greater or lesser degrees. Dany had it the worst, Jon slightly less so (I mean, he gets to live, that's about it), and... Actually, that's about it. Tyrion had been riding on fumes from earlier seasons for a while, since his bad advice (courtesy of D&D, who think what Tyrion says is smart) failed to help any side he happened to be on. Jaime is... debatable IMO. Stringing Brienne along (if not up to the point of coitus) is something I COULD maybe see him doing, depending on the circumstances.
@@sergiocortes125 Exactly. And I wouldn't be surprised if Bran has warged into Rickon to stop him from zigzagging, just to eliminate a human Stark contestant.
@@jakobcrotty8907 I mean Jon does get to be with the free folk again who cared about, and gandry was legitimized, so yeah their endings mostly turned out fine.
You Sir are a legend. I've watched countless GOT reviews and your reviews are in a whole new level. I hope you make more of these for Season 6 and 7. This is my favorite quote from all 6 episodes: "Oh no, oh no, no, no, no, no, Grand Maester Sam? Go Fuck yourself. He dropped out after one semester. He even has a Chain, this is insulting. Not as insulting as the book though."
Glidus it turns out Dumb and Dumber chickened out of showing up to the Comic-Con panel. Add to that they gave a speech in the beginning which is a pisser and to cap it all they didn’t have “time” for fans to ask how they pissed away the ending of this show. It almost seemed like they were trying to justify this season but it came across as some shit gave them so they can have a future in Hollywood. Fuck!
I like how you spoke up for Edmure. When I first saw how he was just cut off by Sansa I thought it was really out of place. I always liked his character and he’s been through a lot. it felt as if the plot was trying to enforce the idea that lesser characters don’t have as much impact on the story than the major ones do - which would of never been an issue earlier in the series where the world building was more impactful.
Season 9 of GoT is just a long series of dull negotiations between Sansa and the Small Council, while she uses the threat of a "no deal Nexit" to stop the northern lords from overthrowing her and demanding Jon back.
i still can not get over the fact that gendry was literally next in line LITERALLY NEXT IN LINE but they chose some disabled clown that literally not too earlier said "i dont want to be lord"
The remaining stark children just deciding between them who's going to head the family goes against the essence of the system. It just doesn't make sense, they got more anachronistic each season.
"I could not think of a more apt way to describe the 8th season of GOT then someone repeating a joke you've heard before & not giving you the punch line" This season leaves you feeling hollow!
My poor Gendry. Who lived in/worked in Kings Landing his whole life, also a legitimate claim to the throne. Smithed all the weapons and dragon glass. Went beyond the wall and saved Jon and all the other idiots for going beyond the wall. My poor Gendry 😭
The Edmure "This Is The Moment" bit and his little Sansa rant afterwards is my all-time favorite Glidus moment. Someone needs to upload a video of JUST that so I can share it with my friends, because they see the time of these videos and say they'll watch them which is just a polite way of telling me to fuck myself.
Tyrion uses Jaime as an example of love outweighing reason, which prompts Jon to quote my favorite line from the whole series: 'Love is the death of duty' Tyrion is like "WTF bro, you can't say good dialogue in season 8", but Jon's says "nah mate, sall all gud, it's a season 1 quote". HAHAAAAA
Ugh, this video reminded me of the sheer cringe that gripped me when Tyrion proclaimed Bran as “the Broken.” Who in the ever-loving FUCK would ever want to call their goddamned monarch, the protector of your entire kingdom, “the Broken” as anything OTHER than a posthumous title given by historians to distinguish different monarchs with the same name or as an insult spoken out of earshot and in privacy?
Seriously, you have to go back to Tytos Lannister (Tyrion's own grandfather!) to see vassals openly mocking their lord so brazenly. And we know how Tywin handled those shits.
Actually it was a good question, what was Arya doing in the meeting, Sansa was there to represent the starks, Bran was there as the 3 eyed raven and Arya was just there. Why did no one argued when she threatened Yara
Because nobody can question Deus Ex Arya, the Usurper of Character Arcs and Wearer of Punchable Faces. I'm still honestly surprised they didn't choose her as Queen of the Six Kingdoms. As insufferable as she was, she did at least have a better story than Bran the Broken (as did everyone else).
It’s the 3 eyes crow.... The show changed stupid things (like turning the Others into White Walkers, 3 eyed crow into 3 eyes raven... Asha into Yara)... the show was absolute garbage. It’s be just simply bad if it wasn’t for the fact that the freaking books are PHENOMENAL!!!! Real literature. Also Robb did have a crown. An iron crown. Fuck the show; das ist scheisse!
@@factbeaglesarebest all the things you listed weren’t even ba changes the name three eyed crow to Raven and others into with walkers is non Consequential
I love the feminism in that scene too, because female empowerment comes from women threatening eachother in formal meetings is a top tier girlboss move!
D&D made every male character a bata because theyre 2 feminist men or feminist focus groups were up their backsides from day 1. I think its both tbh. Not joking but I think D&D were getting regular blo jobs from everyone left at the final meeting off set. Sam, Sansa, Defdinately Tyrion. Jamie and Cercie were taking in the A$$ thats why they lived to the end.
Littlefinger, "Thank you, You're Icy Grace, for restoring me to life. You are too kind. Now, as your new Master of Coin, shall we discuss the financial implications of bringing about the Long Night and an end to mankind..."
I will die on this hill. Jon Snow resurrecting betrayed the soul of this show and was the death sentence in the end. Idgaf what George has planned. Resurrecting a player in the game after he makes the pure moronic decisions Jon made is a spit in the face of Ned Robb Oberyn and Tywin (to name a few).
