The Iroquois calendar and associated tangents. 

I've watched this video 5 times and it still gets me when he says "defective freak turtles"

Thank you for this video. In particular I thank you for stressing that their are NOT 28 scales/tabs around the perimeter of a turtle shell. I am quite fond of turtles and I too have never encountered a turtle shell with 28 perimeter tabs. 13 major scales is the norm and does reflect the lunar year and do reflect, indeed, female medicine. Thanx much for your vids...keep them coming; you do good work.

Happy new year to you too. I personally don't mind saying BC even though I'm not a Christian because hey you gotta start counting somewhere. I'm just glad most of the developed world is using the same calendar regardless of whose mythology the name came from.

Interesting indeed. Thanks for the input. How you measure things is the framework of your experience and knowledge. The older you get, the harder it is to give up and change. After the French Revolution the metric system spread across Europe, but the revolutionary calendar didn't stick and was replaced by the gregorian calendar again. The US still refuses the metric system just out of stubbornness. The amount of cultural identity that units of measurement can hold is not to be underestimated.

I enjoyed your talk about the 13 month calendar, and relating to the turtle shell. Very interesting. Thanks

Just found this channel, not only enlightening, but extremely calming. My man's got a soothing af voice

“Only defective freak turtles are like that” I thought that was so funny

I loved your Irouquocentrist dating system 😂 I’ve thought about the need alternates for the same reasons you put forth

Excellent video as always! Great to learn about the time keeping calendar and the months of the year. Love the Iroquoian-centric calendar piece at the end too!

"Only defective, freak turtles had that" damn why did they need the smoke lol

Happy New Year!

It’s just pretty amazing how that works out, that the number of turtle scales aligns with the calendar like that. Just pretty cool to see how things are all connected

That was very interesting, thanks for sharing.

Very enlightening! Thanks Malcolm!

you are funny. i want to watch more videos of yours! make some more!

This is very interesting and I enjoy learning about here culture keep making these.

I like then proposed dating system, may need to start using that

Nya:wëh sgë:nö Can you please speak a little bit about Ganönyök and share with those of us who don’t know about the Thanksgiving prayer. Nya:wëh for all these great videos you make.

Thank you.

Happy New Year. I have heard it suggested we should use the founding of Gobleki Tepe as the starting point for reckoning human civilization. Conveniently, that would make this year 12022. Also the "Big Ice Storm" was January of '98. Mostly just feeding the algo. Thanks for your thoughts.

Happy New Year to you too. One question, did the Iroquois determined the first day of the month by the first crescent or by the dark of the moon after the waning crescent was no longer visible?

I think an often overlooked reason for the BC-BCE is that simply changing the naming convention means that white-christian-hegemonic history doesn’t have to actually change the dates, just the explanatory suffix. It allows them to retain the focus of their historical orientation-point without having to admit the arbitrary and confabulated nature of that startpoint (and especially without ceding it to some “unenlightened” culture).

I suppose you could say that the beginning of the CE period coincides roughly with the Pax Romana, as Augustus became Emperor in 27 BC, so it does correspond to a degree with an historical trend, even if you take the religious aspect away. It's still horrendously Eurocentric, even if you look at it like that. I guess if you were using the turtle shell to keep track of the months anyway, some people might use the scales around the outside to keep track of the days and either double-count the last few or add marks somewhere else as needed. If that was miscommunicated, it could explain how some people got the false idea that the turtle had 28 scales there.

Once again, you stir the pot of my muddled mind! Was there a sign of the change in the months or just watch the moon phase? I spend a lot of time around the sea and watch the moon phases and tides but I still lose track of them and have to refer to tide charts. I suppose if my life or living depended on them I would have a clearer picture in my head.

we are in 881 AC guys!

i love to see video about something i asked in coments

update some old ones. with links to the original !

BC. Backwards Chronological ; AC. Ascending chronological So you could just change the numbers……….

You could also draw 28 lines around the rim of the turtle shell.

Sometimes I feel like we need a new peacemaker.

I think most people will be too lazy to count 28 scales on a turtle shell, including the authors of the article ^^ Personally, I can hardly see the difference between the scales, so if I see that there's 28 scales on that shell, I'll just believe it, and I guess taht's how that misconception spread ^^

0:22 When is midwinter? It can't be what most people call midwinter, i.e. the December solstice. It falls on the 21st or 22nd of December, which means the first new moon thereafter will fall somewhere between the 22nd of december and the 19th of January.

only defective freak turtles are like that . laugh out loud. hahaha

6:45 what do you believe in? Just curious :p

The whole issue of do you know whether you call a BC or BCE is really about the Gregorian calendar and the Gregorian calendar was the first calendar that truly understood how long a year was what it was related to and so yes they were calculating sort of when Jesus Christ was born. No one really knows when he was born, but the BCE is really more about the calendar itself.

I DID find it interesting uwu

Having a linear dating system counting infinitely forward or backward from a fixed point is the easiest way of giving precise dates for historic events and such. It doesn't have to be the birth of Christ, but since that's the most popular one in the world we might as well stick with it. It's Christian-centric, sure, but I can't think of any year we could go with that wouldn't be centred on a specific culture or religion. Unless we go with the year of the UN's founding, maybe.

Eleven fingers? most people only have eight.

7:02 The BCE idea isn't stupid because the calendar is already being used internationally by everyone, and even at home by many non-Christians. So it's already the calendar date most people use, Christian or otherwise, and changing the actual dates would just confuse everyone. Keeping the date but removing Christ from the equation, we get to keep going smoothly with our timekeeping without hiccups. Also, Christ didn't exist, he's a mythical character, there's no actual evidence he actually existed, because there's no sources outside of the bible that corroborate his life, the only third-party sources we have from the time show us that people THOUGHT he existed, but no source is from someone that met him or had actually seen the events described in the Bible. Nor do we have other documents about the events of his life, such as king Herod killing all the babies, the census that supposedly sent Mary and Joseph to Bethlehem (that's not even how censuses worked!), him assaulting moneylenders, him getting arrested, him getting crucified, etc. And these would be things the Romans would've written down. Our only non-biblical sources that mention Jesus, from the time of Jesus, can be boiled down to "I hear there's this guy in this far off corner of the Empire".

Hoobiye

As a Christian. I would just like to thank you for speaking with respect when referring to my messiah. I love your channel and have been watching for quite a while. Your ideas on a calendar for your fellow tribesman's is ground breaking in my opinion and should definitely be considered. May peace follow you all your and God bless.

Turning off comments is never a good move.

I'm wondering did the Cherokee have a similar belief because Cherokee because they are Iroquoian people?