The Issue With Longevity... 

Jonny Arnett -NBA RU-vidr James Harden’s potential longevity goes over everyone’s head

Yao Ming

Bernard King

Ralph Sampson

Kevin Johnson

Stockton IMO was a better PG.

That’s a case on numbers not reflecting dominance at no time during his career would anyone have thought of trading Stockton for Magic. Magic could play all 5 positions at an all star level Stockton was never the best PG any season. He was just top 3 pg but for a really long time.

@@grinningchicken You guys are trying to turn the subject of assists into something else entirely. Might as well bring up Stephen Curry's superior shooting out of nowhere. My first post was never about who's the better player to begin with.

Maybe we should begin to have a new category of stats, considering only seasons where they were at their prime. But also we cannot compare stays from different eras and expect that to be an accurate measuring tool to compare players.

iluvcakes19 Stockton isn’t even better than Isiah Thomas

Shoot. Totally forgot about him. Could have made him an example. Oh well... Sorry Kevin Willis. lol

@@jonnyarnett Yeah xD,the only reason i know EJ its cause he played at Olympiakos in the 90s at a time when a player of his caliber was considered a big move to come in greece and europe

And he is still remembered as a legend for the club despite playing only one season

Eddie Johnson would had been an all star today in the NBA

He was most definitely not a role player

Wanted to like the comment but we gotta keep it at 81

He made some stupid comments. Why would you pick the player who gives you 30 PPG during 10 years over 15 PPG in 20 season???? That all depends on the rest of your teammates. If you are scoring 15 PPG but making the rest of the team better and you are wining championships then the later option is the correct one. You need to check the Wilt Chamberlain paradox video from MDJ, it shows of Wilt socring LESS was able to win a championship. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Cpz7rZ1noRk.html

OjoRojo40 yeah, but the problem was the player was a role player and a superstar, and the player who played for 10 years won more championships so...

@@3andahalf442 I don't understand what you are saying. Can you rephrase please, thanks.

OjoRojo40 I’m basically saying would rather have a role player who average, or a great player that can score AND win games when it matters, which I think is what he was elaborating to

Yup the first 2 were literally walking triple doubles and Mike really was a 33 a game scorer the Wizards years drug his averages down

Jordan numbers are still crazy

Hate to be that guy but it's their not there

I was driving and spoke it into my phone. It does things like that or changes what you say to something that makes no sense.

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Yeah but he played for a Total of 13 years, if i remind It right; but Jordan's numbers, if you took away the First 2 ( rookie year and broken foot year) and the last 2 ( wizards 40 yr old Jordan) years, you Will really got a God among humans.

@@andreitiberiovicgazdovici why would you take away his rookie year? My guy averaged over 28 in his rookie year, on over 50% shooting from the field. that alone speaks volumes.....Man among boys.

@@chinuaphinn-archer7186 because the game here is to choose his 10 best seasons, and his rookie year is not in the top 10,very simple...

Aleksandra e Andrei Gazdovici Jordan was actually good in his wizard years, just look up the stats, I hate that narrative. He carried the wizards

His numbers somehow won't matter because they were better than Jordan's

Duncan too he was still an all def team player in his mid and late 30s

@@geordiejones5618 while lebron stopped playing D at 32

Malone isn’t on their level he shouldn’t be in the hall of fame he shouldn’t have even been in the nba he should’ve been dead

@@jeortiz-luis4288 difference is lebron is still averaging 27/7/7 on 50% shooting.

Jason Wood, and in Duncan’s mid-thirties he was putting up 20/3/12 at 50% shooting…but Timmy played the other 50% of the game (defense), so I don’t really see your point. Trying to excuse lack of defense with primarily offensive stats is a failed argument from the jump.

Thanks bro! Glad to have you on board!

I think it is going to be there best 10 years, and not their 1st 10 years

Michael Barnes Correct, it will be best 10, which in only a few cases will also be their first10.

Jonny Arnett -NBA RU-vidr I get what you mean when it some to average players having more career totals than legends, but when it comes to bron it don’t matter how anyone slices it, cause yur right id take 30ppg for 10 years over 15ppg for 20 but bron been putting up 25+ for 16 years now that’s just different fam, I don’t think how many ppg you had tell it either tho I think yu gotta look at who did it in less shots, and all that type of stuff, cause Lebron just passed Kobe and still hasnt taken as many shots as Jordan yet and he’s played more years than Mj, not saying that means he’s a better scorer but thats interesting to think about because it shows how muchplayers scored as opposed to how many times they tried to

@@jonnyarnett its been over a week!

@@jonnyarnett when will the video be up??

No you do not.

Sometimes, I feel for Malone. I wish he won one ring (and that he didn't impregnate a 13 year old). No one mentions him in any conversation of top 10. SMH. The man was a beast. And almost passed fucking Kareem himself!

Fucc karl Malone

Yes, to play in two final series and lose both of them, with the outgoing free throws that you miss. Or losing 6 final series, that's what I really call dominance 😂👍

​@@Mister__Jey Dominating 28 out of 30 teams (one being your own) is still dominance, yes.

Dominate?

Jordan was not even defended. Every touch was a foul. MJ was the icon an David Stern did everything to market MJ as good as possible.

You do know that the greatest marketing scheme ever was for the new MJ. I have a master's degree in marketing and have done some work in this particular area. I got friends who exclusively do this in Los Angeles. The effort by the league, certain franchises and the media to find the next Jordan was way more than the MJ himself campaign. And when they found the closest thing they did every thing they could to make him Comparable. He made all star teams when he wasn't an all star yet. Made them when he was washed up. Got MVPs when Chris Paul did better. Got finals MVPs when Gasol did better and won defensive honors when his defense was minimal. Every thing they could to make him more like Mike.

If MJ had the best shooting percentage, you wouldn't be saying that. You guys need to get over yourselves. I been following the NBA since the seventies. MJ was great. But I will never see him, or ANY player as the greatest in a team sport. TEAM. MJ started winning because he was afforded better teammates. Same with Kobe, LeBron, Steph, KD, and all the "greats". The TEAM wins the championship. Not an individual.

@@amorodioamor4388 i know. Statisticly Kobe was a bad defender. His defensive plus/minus and his defensive ratings were under average. Still: MJ is way overrated. Larry bird, lbj and wilt were much better. Bill Russell is my goat.

BB. Exactly. I been watching basketball since 1970. Saw Wilt, Baylor, West, Hondo, Cowen etc play. It's team win. Even the greats only have a 30-36% usage. Most of what happens is put of any one person's hands. But for some reason it's all about rings.

I think he'll surprise a lot of people when he can still average 20 in his 20th season... On top of 9+assists a game. He truly is amazing. Everyone will miss him when he retires

I personally think that 10 years is too much. There best 3-5 years would make more sense because then you would have a snapshot of them at their best.

@@powzewu7854 fair enough

He is nowhere near Jordan Nick Wrong just getting paid under the table to talk nice about Lebron but 90% of all people knows who is the greatest player ever I don't even need to say it

Robert Monti lebron is better. He has passed him. Jordan had hofers all around him. He could not do shit by himself. If lebron has prime Wade for his whole career and prime both, they would have more then 6 rings.

@@phoenixghost1099 🤣🤣🤣

Fr tho lbjs peak just ist as high a Mike's tbh even with his time under bad management I do give him extra cred for accomplishing what he has w/o a hof coach for his early career but he wasn't as ready for the limelight when he got his opportunity early on then kd went to the warriors nd it was over

@@jeremyhart557 how is/was Lebron's peak as high as Michael's? That's gonna need some explaining. And Phil Jackson WAS NOT a HOF coach when he coached the Bulls; he made his legacy off MJ. They did it together, none had won before in the NBA so that's a poor point to pick at. Same goes for Pippen.

Depends of how hard they fall off after that,if a player is putting up his prime numbers or similar for longer than 10 years,why not count all of them?

Dre _ big facts

Not just closer and he also played through injury.

If you remove the 2 seasons in which JORDAN played at age of 39, 40 years ( 2001/02 and 2002/03 seasons ). Also remove the two seasons in which Jordan played only 17 games per season. 1985/86 JORDAN broke his leg and missed 64 games. 1994/95 JORDAN returned at the end of the season after a two-year break and played only 17 games. JORDAN = 33-PPG. FG-52% 3P-34% 6.4-RPG. 5.6-APG. 2.8 SPG. 1-BPG. JORDAN is still better than KOBE. Not even close.

Still was barely an average shooter compared to the rest of the league. I WILL grant that part of that was poor shot selection, where he'd FORCE shots he shouldn't have taken - but still, if he was as great a shooter as some claim for him, explain his 28% clutch shot percentage (barely HALF of Jordan or LeBron at about 50%) and why Kobe never even had a good sniff of the 50/40/90 club that Larry Bird founded.

Kobe never been close to Jordan

@Freedom Fighter i dont disagree with u

@Steve.josiah Aquino no because mj doesn't have longevity

@@davidsantoso2291 bruh he was all star 19 years after being drafted and he was like 21 when drafted do the math

My gut tells me that without looking at the data, MJ still comes out on top. I believe that his combination of individual stats, plus personal accolades (MVPs DPY etc), and Championships will put him head and shoulders above everyone else.

He should be happy to be getting compared to Larry Legend.

@@bricefleckenstein9666 Kevin Willis was a great player, a monster on the glass.

@@aftastosk6016 8.4 rebounds per game for a Center/Power Forward is NOT "a monster on the glass" even in HIS era, though he did have a COUPLE of years he managed 15+. Bird AVERAGED 10 for his career, fighting with Robert Parish and Kevin McHale for most of his years for those rebounds. Kevin was a good player but only a ONE TIME all star, and pretty much no chance he'll ever be in the Hall. Larry is debateable if he's a Top 5 ALL TIME player, pretty much everyone puts him in the Top 10 - there's NO real comparison.

I am not comparing the two players...it's just that you had to look beyond stats. Yes, if you have a look of the players that were around at the time he got 15+ rebounds, he was a monster on the glass. Especially in his area, even more in the eastern conference back then, where the pace of the game was much slower than now. Johnny Arnett he's so right. The problem with Willis is that he retired at 44. If he had retired let's say at 33, he would had had more than 12 rebounds as his career average and you wouldn't even dare to make such a comment.

@@aftastosk6016 The second half of Birds career was played with a bad back that had required surgery. Had HE retired at 33, his RPG would ALSO have been higher - and Bird was a LOT more consistent, he didn't have years (except for one injured year) he went below 8, Willis had SEVERAL long before he turned 33. The pace of play in the time WIllis played was NOT "much slower" than today or during the time Bird played. 10% or less difference for pretty much all of those years, most of those years closer to a 5% difference. And yes, I WOULD dare to make such a comment, as Bird was FAR MORE than his impressive numbers. He was also arguably THE most clutch player (not JUST shooter, ask Isiah Thomas or Magic) not just of his era, but of all time. He was also by many measures the most COMPLETE player of all time, had THE best work ethic, was at least a tossup for "killer instinct", was probably THE highest court IQ to ever play the game, it's a LONG list. NOBODY says any of that about WIllis. An interesting fact to keep in mind though. When Bird retired, he was the ONLY player to be in the Top 50 on ALL of PPG, RPG, and Assists per Game. He's STILL the only person in the top 60 on all 3 of those - and the only person that's ever been CLOSE was Wilt during the ONE YEAR he led the league in assists, but NOBODY is close for their career.

Thx bro

Rofl

Thanks! I appreciate you, and this channel wouldn't survive without viewers like you

Lechoke numbers 1st ten years vs Jordan 10 years is a joke...jordan crushes that overrated lebum.

Kobe?

And Kobe! AI might sneak in there.

Lmao stop talking shit even if Jordan played longer you think his career would’ve been much better than it is now? Surely he wouldn’t have that perfect finals record

Wilt could of been a beast into his 40's. He was still best rebounder

Randy Richardson thats because the world became smaller .... social media erased mythical excitement not because of Jordan

I believe in creating different lists to show these kind of things. GOAT lists should contain all accolades, their legacies, stats, all combined into one list. For example, in terms of accolades either Kareem or Jordan could top it (still think it's Jordan) But when we consider legacies, it's obvious Kareem won't come close to topping it. Just my say in the matter of GOAT lists

@@ultibolt3286 nobody cares or remembers 2nd best third best and so on. If you could ask Jordan yourself he would tell you that being the best was the only thing that matters. Did you people actually watch him play? Not just highlights...live it? The way he took games over with a team that he had. C'mon bro.

@@GingerNinja83 I never said anything against Jordan he is the GOAT in every way. But to say nobody cares about 2nd best and 3rd best is very ignorant to say as I am surrounded by comments on various basketball videos which show they clearly do. Also, you can't just disregard stats because growing up I used to think AI was the stuff because of how flashy and cool he was, but at the end of the day players like Duncan were clearly greater at just getting wins. But still, this is all just a battle of opinions and your opinion is one that I simply disagree with but still respect.

@@ultibolt3286 Iverson was great. He made it to the finals against the Shaq and Kobe Lakers and electrified. It just wasn't enough. Just wasn't jordanesque. I'm not trying to be a troll. I just think comparing people to Jordan is insane because there will never be another. I like these conversations. As a human being Jordan is a prick. I would never want to meet him. My favorite player was Dirk. Classy and loyal. Cheers brother.

0:56 Wilt also averaged 30.1 points over his career, Just a few percentage points behind MJ

Very original glazed

In the 80s and 90s you also had players that cared about stats too...

@@bobafett979 Like Michael Jordan for example: www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1989-04-09-8901190048-story.html

Never thought of it until now but yeah, he would be killing it in this day and age

This is why i always say we shouldn't compare players of different eras i mean maravich would be an mvp in today's league

@@petiteexplication6249 some people say players today are better, well it's only true because food,training,facilities and more are much better in this era. But as you said, maravich in this era with all the advancements today, he'd be a monster player. So when you think of those exceptional players of the past, those who are ahead of their time will most likely be monsters in the court today.

@@bernarddelossantos8083 training sucks today and they are not better basketball players today.

Not just the rules but the culture too. Players play with lowered intensity through the length of the game in comparison that gives them more longevity. Players used to treat stepping on the court like stepping on a battlefield, they gave everything once on that court. Very few players nowadays have that level of sacrifice towards the game.

Thank You facts

Lilbluepenguin10 Parish Kareem Stockton Malone Willis are in the top 10 the only modern players are VC Jet and KG. So you need to stop this

I've got one on Kobe and the 12-13 Lakers! Check it out bro! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-hUtuzdXO3Tc.html

Bama0539 Jordan has a short prime? You’re smoking crack, Jordan’s rookie numbers were better than Kobe’s MVP numbers. Jordan at any point in his career was the greatest of all time. His entire Bulls career was one big peak, with very, very, little fall off.

Acamapichtli one that’s because they didn’t play defense offense doesn’t matter as much if your not in your defensive prime Kobe’s mvp number were great Jordan’s were good but slightly worse and Kobe’s mvp season wasn’t his best season 05-06 was Jordan wasn’t in his full prime until _about 1990 and his prime ended in 1997 so his prime was from 90 to 96 a six year prime Kobe was in his prime for 13 seasons lebron for 13 so what’s your point

Lechoke blames numbers aren't that high so what are u talking about?

Luka will break Lebron's records.

Lebron is on pace to beat Kareem's scoring record - in fewer years. Still not up to the scoring pace PER GAME of MJ or Wilt though.

@@bricefleckenstein9666 Lebron is not that selfish like they were period.It dont take an einstein to know this.Taking lots more shots means more points plain and simple.

@@jessiegomez2411 Wilt was unarguably selfish the first half or so of his career, but he gradually grew out of that. MJ was not selfish. I have no clue why you are trying to claim MJ was.

Your opinion but it's not based on facts

Kobe without Shaq: 2005= Prime Kobe missed the playoffs. Kobe leads Lakers to 28-38 record in the games he played. 2006= 1 st Round exit. 2007= 1 st Round exit. Kobe had one 40 point game in all 7 Nba Finals, oN 47%. JORDAN averaged: 41-ppg FG-51% for the entire 1993 Finals alone. Where 81 points when it matters ? ? KOBE Overrated.

@@allanhouston6759 not worth replying

Does what produce higher quality players?

Thanks Jalen!

Francesco Zornetta No hate, bro. I tried to make it really clear in the vid that this wasn’t a shot at Bron, because his longevity is solid. I mean, I made him a video in my GOAT series, I predicted he would be MVP this year, and I’m a Lakers fan who’s beyond grateful that he’s made us relevant again. Saying I hate LBJ couldn’t be farther from the truth. I think MJ is the GOAT, but I also respect LeBron and appreciate his greatness too

But he didn't

Actually he was number 3 or 4 option on the team

Kareem teammates: Magic Johnson 3 MVP, 3 FMVP, James Worthy HoF, 1 FMVP. BoB McAdoo HoF, 1 MVP Jamaal Wilkes HoF, Oscar Robertson HoF, Adrian Dantley HoF, Goodrich HoF, Michael Cooper 2x Nba DPOY. Norm Nixon 2x Nba All-star,

sticky-fingers except LeBrons production is near or close to Jordan and has better longevity

@@RandySavagxe lechoje blames production is not better than jordans

jc jordan read my comment dumbass

i rather have 3 championship with many individual accolades in a span of lets say 5 years than having 20 year career of 20ppg with 0 rings and only few all star selection lol

Definitely Jason Terry and Kevin Willis fans. lol

Lol

U already kno!!! Lol

Jonny Arnett -NBA RU-vidr Well they were both Hawks but no exception taken here.