@@jordonvh91 Exactly. He may have been old by Westeros standards but he was still Barristan The Bold and his name still meant something. His name lent credibility to whoever his sword was sworn to. He had many great deeds to his name. He killed Simon Toyne leader of the Kingswood Brotherhood in single combat. He also ended the last Blackfyre rebellion during the war of the 9 penny kings where he killed Maelys (the monsterous) Blackfyre in single combat. He also entered Duskendale alone where King Aerys was being imprisoned by Lord Darklyne and scaled the walls of the Dunfort and rescued king Aerys from Lord Darklynes dungeon single handed. Dude was a true warrior. No wonder Lord Tywin was furious. Dismissing Selmy was dumb af.
Late, but honestly they should have made him have less on in the show too, because the book's scene went the same and he put the fear of God in everyone there even then. It just sells how dangerous he was, how valuable an asset he was to the military and morale. Literally one of the last living legends among spies and peasants holding swords to sleep warm and get fed
@@undyingrevenant2734 yup. He was truly one of the greatest swordsmen they ever knew. GRRM even says between Ser Arthur Dayne&Ser Barristam Selmy it is a toss up for who wins IF Ser Arthur does not have Dawn. With Dawn, Dayne is unbeatable due to his raw skill&because of the magic inside of Dawn. That is what would give him the edge of Selmy, otherwise they were essentially equals if it came down to a 1v1. Even though Barristan says Arthur would beat him, it might be due to modesty&respect for his Brother in the White Cloak-but GRRM has said it himself it would be anyone’s fight so he is god when it comes to that rofl
Ned is such a hypocrite in this interaction; he initially craps on Jaime for doing nothing about his father and brother- but he also craps on Jaime for finally doing something to save King's Landing. What's a Jaime fookin' Lannister to do?!
@@fortune2515To Jaime, they were people ill-served and brutalised by their king. To Ned, Jaime speaks of his family like a shield against critique. Ned maybe a proud fool, but I'm not sure many would differ from him, given the circumstances.
@fortune2515 well he's saying that because Jamie's saying how it was awful what happened to Ned's father and brother, but he didn't do anything then, when he'd finally put down the king it was when the enemies (even if they were Tywins men) were at the gate and ready to sack the city, so to ned it seems awfully convenient that Jamie only betrayed his sacred oath when his life was potentially in danger than to save Ned's family
@@GoldnDustyIt's the reputation of the Lannisters and the smug presentation of his discussion. And even on that matter to Ned Stark an Oath is worth more than anything else... you see that in the first episode with the execution of the runaways. In reality it's worth only the weight of whom we swear fealty to.
@@lordreiman8352 Entirely this. Ned said it perfectly: "You served him well, when serving was safe." Everyone knew that killing the Mad King was what was best for the realm but Jaime only did it when he knew he wouldn't have to pay any price for it.
I think the act of Jaime dying with Cersei could work. the thing they fucked up so badly was Jaime retconning the whole bath scene with that ridiculous line about not caring about the innocents
@@isaac5532 He didn't retcon though. He was flawed and he broke. He had a chance to become a better person but, at the end, he broke again. That's not a retcon, that's just life.
Ser Barristen unsheathing his sword is like a dragon who hasn’t moved or anything breathing fire. It reminded everyone of why he’s there in the first place. Thanks to Robert seeing how dope he was, also.
@@HumungusO_o I mean we all know he could melt them all down like a cake, that just leaves The Hound as the only defense (as big as he is, i dont think he stands a chance, even Hound knows this). So basically, Selmy can kill EVERYONE in there, stamina the only limitng factor.
@charlesolarte7104 Hound might win out in a game of stamina, but Sandor clearly knows that's a fight he could very much lose...even with the odds stacked as much as they are in his favor.
2:27 note how the Hound way back subtly has his hand on his sword. He probably knows Barristan the Badass is still no joke even if he’s old. He probably thinks he'll have to get involved after those clowns are all one-shotted! 😂
Yup! Rofl he knew he was going to be the last line of defense between a rampaging Selmy&the twerp of a king he was obligated to defend. He did not want that smoke or to antagonize him anymore than he was. Ser Teryn Mrant would’ve been a head shorter before the tip of the gold cloak’s swords saw the light of day&MAYBE suffer a couple losses before they rest run off if they all didn’t from that start. I love how Janis Slynt face went from laughing to “shyte…..this was supposed to be a cushy position just dealing with the rabble down in Flea Bottom&taken a cut from the drunken horse races!
The best spin off would have been an anthology series where Samwell was studying the Book of the Kingsguard during his maester training and each episode would be a story of one of the great deeds that either highlighted the honorable deeds in the wars raging around him or offered wise counsel in the consequences of all the folly.
this was put together so well, after a horrible ending it can be hard to remember what made the other seasons so incredible, this is a perfect reminder
Probably the dumbest move Cersei made. Barristan is the most respected and honored knight in the kingdom. He could have been a useful person to have in Joffrey’s court.
Cersei was a snake and Ser Barristan was too honorable for her to be able to manipulate if needs be. She didn’t realize that he would keep his oath, no matter what his personal feelings he would protect his king. She probably thought he would do what her own brother had done (to the mad king) and kill Joffrey if he went psycho.
@@jammin2575I thought it was to give Jamie a seat on the small council by making him Lord Commander. Thereby further increasing the court with certain Lannister influence.
@@zoren7299 Barristan was loyal to her because he had sworn a sacred oath. If he stayed loyal to Mad King Aerys he would have stayed loyal to Cersei too. The move was extremely stupid on Cersei's part and most likely initiated by Varys to send Barristan to Daenerys.
So brilliant he gave up acting till 2020 due to all the IRL harassment. Lad could have been BIG. But overgrown children put too much stress on him by not being able to separate reality form fiction. A shame, really.
The thing that strikes me about Jaime's story is that he tried to justify his deeds to Ned and Catelyn and probably many others but only Brienne had the empathy to understand it.
I would argue that Catelyn did understand Jaime to a degree. She did rightfully trust him to bring her daughters home. That is quite the gamble if you do not believe he has the honour to see it through. She had Brienne as insurance, sure, but Brienne would have ultimately been powerless had Jaime gone against her and Catelyn.
A lot of these characters suddenly became ridiculously stupid whenever the topic of the kingslayer came up. It is as if they all never acknowledge that the king ordering him to kill is own father and to murder the entire city of a million people with wildfire is somehow not relevant. Every knight in the country is promised by his lord “I will give you no command that will bring dishonor upon you.” The moment the King ordered Sir Jamie or anyone to mass murder the entire city, he simultaneously freed EVERY knight of any oaths to him.
"Here boy, melt it down and add it to the others" is such an underrated line. As if that spolied boy were the one who made the throne he sits on, an open declaration of animosity in the meanwhile.
@2:23 The fact that the Hound hesitated to draw his sword. almost like "We're f*cked if he attacks. It'll be bloody even now". Small subtle moments like this is what made the earlier seasons so damn good!
Its wild how Barristan Selmy shut everyone up just by drawing his blade. Only person there that could have stood a chance against Barristan was the hound. Even then it would have been a tough fight.
Tricky to say who would have won at that point. Much as I love Sandor he would have had his arse handed to him by prime Barristan but he was well past that at that time, still arguably the best around tho
At that point in time hound destroys him. Simple as. Prime barriston was there best, better than Arthur Dayne, many eluded to this, it was only daynes magical sword that gave him the edge, even with it no 1 knew for sure. Great writing g.r.r.martin. For me though, prime barriston is the boss, no valerian steel or magic swords forged from meteors, he takes the W.
I honestly believe Jamie wasn’t a bad guy at all. I think years of being called king slayer and a man with no honor especially with the people not knowing the genuine reason behind it really took a toll on him and his self esteem. Resulting in him becoming hardened and harsh at times. Very misunderstood character and wonderful development throughout the series.
No, he did bad things. Doing bad things doesn't necessarily mean we're always a bad person-we have to learn and do better, we have to come to grips with our wrongs and make amends to those we've harmed, whether they forgive us or not.
Iirc, in the books, Barristan goes to write about his dismissal in that book of the Kingsguard. Someone connects the two dots of Barristan's threat and send two kingsguards to seize him. He fights them off, even without his sword, and escapes 😂
I like the realistic human part of game of thrones. The hypocrisy of people. Jamie did what he had to do to save countless lives ... and still he was named the kingslayer, man without honour even though he had the guts to do what other couldnt. The same goes for Torrhen Stark, king of the north, as the Targaryen were on their conquest with their dragons he bend the knee to save his people from certain death and still he was the king who bend the knee. But if it comes down more people would rather live than die with honour.
Jaime didn't really have guts. He killed two old men when his father took control of the city and there would be no repercussions. He watched countless innocents get burned alive because, had he killed the Mad King then, he would have probably been put to death. He protected his own life over that of many innocents.
ser Jaime did what he did because his daddy was at the gates and there would be no consequences for his cowardly act. ser Jaime has no honor that is why he kept all his ''good deed'' a secret.
@@yusufraage8554I think you're forgetting the fact that they were about to be all burned alive, and the fact that it was Nedd Stark who arrived first.
Aerys in the books is a cool character, just such a normal dude. I love swann from the books as well. Aerys is the only one of Jeffery’s guard to protest when he said to hit Sansa (he still did it but he was like wtf) and then betrayed his vows for a woman (arianne (I would’ve too)). An above average swordsman that believed in honor and love but wasn’t as noble as he hoped to be. Swann is just an all around cool guy and he’s also definitely a beast on the field, him and Moore on the blackwater were awesome. Ik I’m not saying anything profound here but I just love that George takes time to paint a picture of the rank and file within the ranks of an evil characters regime rather than just have them be evil henchmen.
A man from the very old family-House Whodat of the coveted fertile lands of Whocares. If they weren’t so modest&agoraphobic, they could have easily taken over the 7 Kingdoms AND brought Dorne back into the fold. The Night’s King would’ve never thought about even looking towards the south, &those dragons would’ve been so scared they remained stone.
Ned hated everyone who just stood by as the Mad King ran rampant and enabled him while Ned fought against him. Nothing could redeem anyone from that in Ned's worldview.
It seems like Jaime is trying to bury the hatchet with Ned, and Ned in his self righteousness can't take it. Jaime desperately wants the approval of those he holds in high regard and they constantly belittle him.
''you served him well when the serving was save'' All Neds lies he did it in the hardest possible time and way to save his nephew, dont compare Ned with ser Jaime.
@@yusufraage8554 that line wasnt actualy accurate,jamie served because it was his duty,he didnt kill the king because it was no longer safe to serve him,he killed him because he ordered him to kill his dad and was going to burn down the city,also jamie did some bad stuff sure,but they were always for a good reason,ned also did those things,remember the poor kid he executed in the pilot because he ''deserted''? there is not much difference between these 2 exept for the way people see them
@@yusufraage8554did you forget that he pretends to kill Dayne, the best duelist of all times in single combat but he forgot to tell his friend stabbed him in the back 😂
@yusufraage8554 He also didn't want to stain Arthur Dayne's honor in death by saying he got shanked from behind. Better that the world believes that one of the greatest Kingsguard who ever lived died in honorable combat...especially since Ned was the one to personally return Dawn to Ashara Dayne.
I wish Jaime could have had a better salvage at the end of his time. His death was so unsatisfying for the man he really became through such a wonderful story arc.
Very well done. Thank you for sharing. As Jamie's story clearly shows, Honor can take many forms depending on your point of view and the circumstances in which Honor is applied.
Ned and Jamie had more in common than they thought, and they both thought each other hypocrites because of it. Ned never fathered a bastard, and Jamie saved the whole city and every invading force in it
Jaime wasn't a man without honor, he was the only one honorable enough to know, that protecting the innocent and weak is the most honorable thing to do even if it means to abandon an oath.
If Jaime had told the truth people would have had more of an understanding. The logic of always defending the king even when it means killing the innocent is exactly what happened with the Roman Praetorian Guard. They were the emperors' personal bodyguards but they will kill the emperor to save the innocent or even to be rid of a tyrant.
If you read the books, you will clearly know what was on Sir Jaime’s mind whenever he saw his name in n that book. There are other deeds that should’ve been written there by Sir Barristan Selmy, the Kingslayer title had caused him to be hated by many. And also, king-slaying comes from a good place. He was misunderstood.
"The youngest to ever be named to the kingsguard" should've been on there at least. And fighting in the Greyjoy war. And considering the other chapters talk about tourneys it should say he broke 9 lances against Jorah. Barristan was a prick to leave it on kingslayer then not write anything else
Ironic that Jamie was dishonored by the best deed he ever did. Would the general folk care that Jamie killed the Mad King who was clearly a menace? Ned would see Jamie as the betrayer who killed the King to help his father take the city. It might have made a difference if he knew the King planned on burning the city. Certainly Ned would have believed it. Jamie's rant to Caitlyn was supposed to be smart, but it actually was ludicrous. Caitlyn could have easily rebuked it. A kingsguard only swears like four oaths, and those oaths would take precedence over any others previously sworn. Any knight would know that. Jamie being faithful to his sister is hardly a point of honor. Not only is his sister married, but she is married to the King. The Seven Kingdoms were plunged into civil war exactly because Jamie slept with his sister.
@@yusufraage8554Said dardy and the other 2 armies worth of people is walking into a city with wildfire pots laid everywhere, if he had hesistated even a second too late, theyd all die
He was making a point to Caitlyn about her calling him a man without honor and oathbreaker based primarily on being the kingslayer. How does the kingsguard oath of obeying the king take precedence over the basic knight swear to protect the innocent (from mass pointless wildfire genocide) and the universally soul-damning sin in Westeros of kinslaying, these aren't points of honor? Even ignoring the wildfire which he didn't know about: Ned obeyed his oaths until his father was executed then decided to instead kill Aerys, Jaime obeyed his oaths until he was ordered to execute his father and then decided to instead kill Aerys. Where is the difference? Ned is a hypocrite, he surely wouldn't have been convinced of Jaime tried harder to explain. He judged him instantly, based on the fact that lying Tywin using a ruse to betray the king was ready to take KL when his son Jaime the sworn KG probably plotting with him conveniently betrayed the king and murdered him in cold blood, all in haste just before Robert arrives, for a piece of the glorious victory pie. "Classic Lannister dishonor" From that point on his honor was besmirched to the public for apparently being an oathbreaker so he stopped caring, about his vow of chastity for example. I mean, was he wrong that before sleeping with Queen Cersei he was seen as dishonorable as after people found out he slept with Cersei? So what's the point of sticking with the vows, that's his character. He became a victim of the contradictions of honor in their society and gave up on trying to be honorable His Caitlyn rant is right. In the moment Aerys gave his pyromancer an order to murder the innocent and Jaime killed him on the spot in line with his vow to protect them. Then Aerys stared running away, and would find someone to kill Jaime and might succeed in murdering the innocent so he did the honorable thing in stabbing him. But Caitlyn focusing only on the protect your king part calls him an oathbreaker and man with no honor. Jaime's prefect response is which oath?
Jamies look when ned is smug to him about killing the mad king is epic, he avenged his father and all ned could do was think about stupid worthless honor
The fact that Sandor of all people grabs his sword too despite being so far in the back gives full credence to Ser Barristan's threat. At the very least it was expected of the old knight to manhandle them and land a blow on the king before being bested.
It really does bug me, how dirty Ned played Jamie. Ned bent the knee to the king just as willfully as everyone else until it no longer served him. He did it for his sister and his friend. Jamie betrayed the king to save the lives of every person in King's Landing. But just because Jamie turned later than Ned did. In another world, Ned would have been the next person in that room and cut down the Mad King, then he'd be Kingslayer. idk man. Just doesn't sit right with me.
Reminder that Ser Arthur Dane also served on the same Kingsguard with Jamie and did just as much as Jamie did to save Ned's father and brother. Yet Dane was the "finest knight he ever saw".
That's the beauty of some drama and how it brings out the Naive side of some viewers. We initially hated Jaime because he was an asshole but came to love him when he showed a more appealing side. But imagine if he had show more admirable feat in the beginning and on the latter side showed how such as asshole he is. We as viewers would have a different opinion.
As someone who only recently got into GOT, I always found it weird that Jamie was looked down upon with shame for killing the Mad King, a tyrant who the entirety of Westeros knew was capable of such evil. Everyone wanted him gone, but when Jamie was the one to get the job done, everyone shamed him for it. I understand that the kings guards are sworn for life to protect their king, and that what Jamie did goes against everything the kingsguard stands for. And even if 99% of the public is still in the dark about the Mad King’s plan to destroy King’s Landing, did he not kill a publicly known tyrant dictator? And end a war which was a large rebellion AGAINST Aery’s tyranny??? Like yes! You killed this evil man! But shame on you…
Final battle of humanity vs the dead. Bran is warged into the past, being protected by Jaime and Brienne. White walker stabs Brienne with her own sword, she lays on the ground dying. Cut to young Jaime kneeling, with Aerys Targaryean saing "In the name of the Warrior, I charge you to be brave..." Jaime kills the white walker, and after a brief moment of grief, draws the sword from Brienne, now aflame. Cut to Aerys: "Do you swear to defend the innocent and the helpless, in the name of the Seven?" "I swear it." Audio of Jaime and Brienne's parting plays as Jaime looks around. "They say the best swords have names. Any ideas?" Night King appears and stares at Bran, his ultimate target. "Oathkeeper." Jaime steps in between them, laughing somberly. "Do you know what they call me?" As Azor Ahai walks toward the Night King, all that can be heard is a cacophony of voices from past seasons cursing: "Kingslayer.. Kingslayer! KINGSLAYER!" The alternate ending Jaime deserved.
