King Robert, Ser Barristan Selmy and Ser Jaime Lannister sharing war stories. One of my favorite scenes in the show. All rights to this clip belong to HBO.
I never thought of it that way but that's a great point. Robert, at the end of the day, was a soldier. He lived for the fight. Once the fight was done there wasn't really much for him to do and he fell apart. That was the thing about the drinking and eating and whoring. He didn't know what to do with himself so he just gave in to his base appetites. That's why he was so relieved when the Greyjoy's revolted. That was a fight and it was something he could get into.
Everyone has a limit, this scene doesn't exist in the books. It was written by D&D. It's just hard, nobody can be at the top of the game for this long even the best ones. I can't recall any show that didn't go downhill after season 5 or 6. It's just impossible, it took GRRM 25 years to write 5 books. I think long breaks are important for writing creativity.
Two, actually: One half wit with a stutter, and the other an Idiot with one ball and no brains. Both so stupid they couldn't find the breastplate stretcher before Winter came.
Robert’s slow realization that Jamie actually saved hundreds of thousands of people by doing the thing Robert consistently belittles him for is the reason I watch this over and over.
I don't think Robert ever calls Jamie Kingslayer as an insult, Robert hated that king and hates all Targaryens. He tends to say Lannister with more contempt.
@@Horatio787The irony is that the Baratheons are descended from the Targaryens. The house founder, Orys Baratheon, was most likely Aerion Targaryen’s bastard son.
@@jenny-sue7174 Eh, distant relation was always discussed in the Baratheon rebellion, but what made Robert king was a capable general. Distant relation doesn't make someone family. It''d be like if Robert went after the Martells because they married into the line centuries ago.
Can't blame him for being smug. Cucklold the king, with the knowledge any legitimate heirs he will ever have shall be yours. Robert knew all about it; he ordered Bran's assassination to keep it secret. Because to do otherwise would be to invite another war, and he had nothing left to fight for. His reason for rebellion was a one sided love for Stark's sister. He lost her, and then she died. So now? He shits and eats and fucks without care for tomorrow.
@@oVoidhawko I thought the assassination was ordered by Joffrey because Joffrey thought that when Robert said Bran should be put out of his misery, it was a go ahead to off him?
@@oVoidhawko Nah, man. Robert would have killed them if he knew. And Jaime cuckolding the King would be a W, if it wasn’t his sister. All it says is that the Lannisters are nuts. Roberts son lived on to inherit Storms End. Jaime, Cersei and all of their bastards born of incest died brutal deaths. His line has ended. Roberts lives on.
No expensive CGI, no big battle, not even any music. They're just talking and yet somehow this is still an amazing scene. Peak GoT truly was something special.
@@dimensionzone8048Yeah, you're in The minority on this one. Season 5 was still good, but when you really look at it, you can tell the quality of dialog starts to drop a little. Definitely had some great moments though.
Underrated piece of storytelling here is the mountains of respect between Jaime and Selmy. You can see the regard Selmy holds Jaime in, and the gargantuan level of hero worship Jaime has for the older man. Years of background info, backstory and character relationships and development shown with a few glances and subtle smiles.
Thing is though... It's more one-sided (as we later learn in the show and the books). Selmy saw Jaime as one who broke a sacred oath and profaned the position of Kingsguard (in the books it's basically said that Selmy thinks Jaime should have been made to join the Night's Watch). The mountains of respect might just be for Jaime's skill alone.
@@chukuemekaoje1015 Exactly what I was thinking. Jaime holds Selmy in extremely high regard for being the textbook example of what a knight should, body and soul. Selmy may recognize Jaime's skill, but he despises the man. The way he says "The Kingslayer" when Cersei tells him he's being replace by Jaime says it all.
Selmy seems so upset w Jamie when Selmy gets fired. Selmy loses a point imo because the Mad King deserved what he got. Selmy should at least acknowledge this.
@@nelly9206 I don't want to see young Robert fighting if it is as lame as GOT battles (even Battle of Bastards with retarded tactics kinda sucked). This short dialogue was more dramatic than any GOT battle presented.... and so was the 15 second flashback "Burn them all." which is shame.
fat lizards Makes me wonder if he subconsciously knew about the nature of his "children" and was taking it out on every blond haired shit he could find, lol.
Tywin had honor. He never went after anyone unprovoked. He was into family security. No more. No less. He made moves once the opportunity presented itself, he didn't go around murdering people for it.
@@janellejulianajoy he lost all honor when he posed as a friend to Targaryen and came in kings landing and opened the city gates to Robert Baratheon Robert appreciated him ofc but both Ned and Robbert lost respect for the lannisters for betraying their king
@@evn2787 and told his men to murder Ellia Martell and her children becsuse of his hatred towards the mad king. And ruined Tyrion's only true marriage out of utter cruelty and hatred towards his son and an innocent woman.
Not really. If the mad king had blown up KL, it would only be ned, tywin with their armys that wouldve died (along with all of KL ofc). Robert stayed behind at the trident cause he was wounded.
@@TheStopShort No... because he would be dead. Jaime said it himself. He meant to nuke ALL of kings landing, including himself. Either thinking becoming a dragon or wanting to spite robert. I think in the books it was to spite robert, in the show because he wanted to become a dragon (these are both jaime's accounts in book and show respectively)
i absolutely love Robert's story here. I think he sees himself in the boy he killed; he thought he could end the injustice and the horrors of the Targaryen rule by just marching into King's Landing and killing the mad king, but war is bloody and a lot of people had to die just for him to get where he is, and even then, Robert isn't happier here. Had the boy lived, he'd be in the same position Robert would be in now, sure he doesn't have a crown, but Robert doesn't care about that. He cares about all the discontents in life.
Nah, I don't think he would've liked that. He loved the idea of Lyanna; a woman to make him whole, to make him and Ned brothers-by-law, rather than by friendship. If he and Lyanna had been married for long enough, he would've been as miserable as he would've been with Cersei, minus the incest and scheming. @@appa609
@@EroticOnion23 he likely never bothered to make anymore of a point after he heard what Ned said. Naming him king slayer then keeping him around Cersei.
The way Nikolaj delivered that ‘burn them all’ with the expression on his face is chilling. You can tell that night haunts him for the rest of his life. He saw a madman break loose in his final moments, something out of a horror movie.
@@darth856 GRRM was actually very surprised to hear that they were ending the show at season 8. He said they could have easily gotten 13 seasons from the material in the books.
@@misspopcoin2204 and they could make extra prequel shows (roberts rebellion, aegons conquest or a story on any of the targareyans (the dragon knight, the rogue prince, aegon the V and extra) or even valyria and essos)
In the show barristan its like a teenage idol for jaime (in the books was arthur dayne), and represents what jaime wanted to be before joining the kingsguard (and all the crap he lived since then)
@@bensonfang1868 Well, he does have tywin as his father and he had quite a bit of skill before he lost his hand. It's a mix between earned and unearned cockiness
Jamie was a narcissist but, that doesn't mean he had zero respect for others. One thing they made pretty clear early on was his respect for fellow warriors. Even Ned Stark, who he was at odds with.
Robert remembered the faces of all the men he had killed but couldn’t remember Lyanna’s face, even though she left a hole that ‘seven kingdoms’ couldn’t fill! That’s deep.
@@Phantom19913 I think it's more that Robert fell in love with an idealized version of Lyanna, rather than the woman herself. In all likelihood even if they had married he likely would've given into his base urges anyway. Might've taken longer perhaps, but at the end of the day he could never control his wants and impulses.
This scene is so well acted and written. The thousand yard stare when Robert put words to his trauma of killing a person for the first time. How clear he makes it that he thought so much about how it didn't have to happen. The laughing at his own misery over things he can't quite regret and can never forget. The desperate and immediate need to dull the feelings he digs up by going through everything again, and the need to air it out and know he's not alone. He clearly didn't want to kill the boy, but since the war had started and the only alternative was to die he fought back with all he had, he's back in that very moment so he feels his body and the situation like it was happening now, he sees the contrast between what he just felt and what his life currently is, he's watching the Tarley boy die all over again, he imagines a world where that death didn't happen, Robert blames his enemy for forcing him to kill. Then he invites Jamie in, hoping to recognize and justify himself in another man's trauma, only to realize no violence he ever inflicted on anyone was ever as justified as killing the mad king... Fucking gorgeous. So human, so real, so many opportunities for a viewer to relate, so many regrets and justifications for why those actions don't warrant regret, so much naked humanity on display in such an interesting setting! This is what made the show so great. The conversations, the subtext, the character flaws, the feeling that everyone either was or could be a version of someone you had actually met. I suppose this is why I have to read the books but I'm scared to start before the series has finished
Im a 59 year old former Marine scout sniper. Combat veteran. Roberts monologue rings so very true. The horror. The sadness. The madness. The never ending pain. The stupidity of it all. Killing isn’t poetic. Or heroic. Or cool. It’s horrifying.
The books are true writers porn. They're fucking beautiful. Although some scenes in the show were funnier than in the books. But the books outshine the show by at least 300 miles.
Go ahead and read the books. They are significantly better than what you get in the show and there are a lot of them. It will take you some time to get through them.
Not crazy at all my friend...the dragons have always been out of place in this series, there is no cleverness, wit, or scheming that can be done with them. Scenes like this show pathos and the human heart in conflict with itself, much more interesting than """""hype""""" moments of violent spectacle.
@@YungJaime73 I think the main reason we think that way (because I do actually agree) is because the dragons only really started playing an important role from season 5 onwards, which is exactly when the writing started going downhill rapidly.
@@YungJaime73 could have worked well with the tone of the first few seasons I think. George RR Martin always envisioned the dragons to be the nuclear weapons of Westeros. I can see huge potential for intriguing debates and conversations as these characters try to stop Dany from essentially dropping an atomic bomb on King's Landing. If they were more subtle with how the dragons were used it could have been fantastic.
I'm so fucking tierd of dragons. In almost every form. Every time they show up in a story, the exact same thing happens. They aren't interesting or cool anymore, and they always gets taken down by some Hollywood, bullshit move that nullifies all their scariness and meaning.
What I love most about this scene is after Jaime says "burn them all," you can see in Robert's face his discomfort with the idea that Jamie was justified in killing Aerys. Robert looks for so many reasons to hate the Lannisters, but he can't find it with this one in this moment.
When Robert calls Jamie in to share war stories, he does so expecting to rub Jamie's bad reputation in his face by calling him the kingslayer and recalling the very moment Jamie became the kingslayer. Instead, Jamie reveals a small bit about the hard, brutal truth of what happened that day and it leaves Robert speechless
Most of the scenes from Season 1 seem like they're from a show completely different than the one we're watching today. Everything just seemed grittier, smarter, more real.
I mostly think it is down to the earlier seasons being quieter and slower, it was geared towards building political intrigue and people trying to outsmart each other while staying at peace. Once the fighting starts its hard to do that since most characters have picked a side and only talk to their side.
because George knows how to do world building through dialogue and that's what you get in this scene. You get to understand everyone in this scene somewhat and their relationship to one another but you also learn a little more about the Mad King who is mysterious. The last two seasons we're dealing with the same characters that we know already the only thing that isn't mundane at this point is someone getting killed. I'm pretty disappointed with how unsurprising the army of the dead was and how characters have been reduced to groveling at one another
“Same thing he’d been saying for hours. Burn them all.” “If your king asked you to stand by while thousands of innocents burned alive would you do it? Would you keep your oath then? By what right does the wolf judge the lion?!” Season 8 “To bE HoNEst I neVER cAReD abOUt tHe PeoPLe” *thank you d&d*
Season 6 *Cersei blows up the sept killing about a hundred people with the wildfire he hates so much* Season 7 Jaime to Olenna "Do YoU tHiNk PeOpLe WiLl CaRe HoW sHe BuIlT tHiS wOrLd"
truly, Robert has let himself go and none of his guards were even near Jaimes level so I'm wondering how he had the balls to call the most skilled swordsman in Westeros by the name he hates most.
@@miracleyang3048 Not even close, Jaime was the most skilled swordsman known in the world, so skilled that he killed 30 men just to reach Robb Stark before they could stop his rampage.
It would probably go about the same as this went. Just imagine Jaime is Tywin and Ser Barristan is Eddard. Robert: Insulting drunk Tywin: Resting Lannister face Eddard: Stern and noble
@@karjeezus6490 What are you getting so worked up about? Yes the books were being used as a framework during this time, but this particular scene was made up by D&D, as was Robert and Cersei's conversation about their marriage and Lyanna Stark in episode 5 of season 1. I'm disappointed as you are with how below par season 8 turned out, but I'm just giving credit where credit's due.
@@karjeezus6490 Instead of their praises being sung through the annals of history for creating the best TV show all time, now D&D's names will forever live on in shame because of how badly they messed up the final season due to their lack of care.
4:15 Jamie's look of PTSD here from his usual smug, handsome, satisfied face throughout season 1 is such great foreshadowing to when he later tells the full story to Brienne in the baths. If you'd never read the books, it only fills you with wonder that the story behind "burn them all" really is, and you get such a satisfying revelation scene that much later in the show. Too bad we never got anything past season 4, imagine how much more of that great dialogue and scenes there could've been.
When you watch his eyes, it's like halfway through that line, you can see the horrible memories flooding in. When he says "He said the same thing he'd been saying for hours," he's still present, in the moment, talking to Robert. When he says "Burn them all," he's reliving that moment and everything he felt in that moment is coming back to him. He's not in the present, he's back in the throne room, back to watching the mad king's final moments
It's been a decade but I always end up coming back The way Jaime becomes so serious the MOMENT the mad king's name is spoken The way there isn't a hint of snide or pride or anything but complete and utter seriousness when he speaks The way the other two can only stare The way Robert realizes the brevity of those very very few words, that 3 word quote And the way Jaime ends the tension by resuming the Lannister persona and just leaving The old writing was so enamoring and I'm so sad it all faded away so horribly, I miss this side of this show
I love the shock on everyone when Jamie talks about how mad the mad king really was. It shows that most people didn't realize truly how far gone he was and why Jamie killed him.
This is also comes back when Ned resings from his position as king's hand. When Ned tells Robert that he proceeds with assasination of Daenerys he's no better than the mad king, Robert loses his shit. And no wonder why: in his mind it must've hurt that his most trusted, maybe only, friend compared him to a beast that tried to destroy his own domain while he is trying to save it. It even gets worse, when while dying Robert admits that Ned was right: he was ready to kill 16 year old Daenerys and her child only so that he could stay in power for a while longer, same thing that the mad king did to countless others and what he resented Tywin Lannister doing to Elia Martell.(Precisly, according to Jaime, Robert was relieved that he didn't have to worry about Targeryan bloodline but he was also ashamed that he was relieved)
Yes, but none of these people have the background context that we do, thanks to our seeing Jaime's conversation with Brienne. *We know* that Aerys formed a wildfire plot with his pyromancers, and *we know* about the Caches of Wildfire across the city, and their destructive power. Jaime had never told the rest of the story - he hated Robert, and he'd always felt a mix of shame and resentment toward Selmy - so he'd never have told them. They weren't his confidants. It's obvious Selmy and Robert *did not* know this. They only knew about Aerys being utterly mad, so here, they're just hearing a graphic tale about a boy killing a madman, as like as not on his father's orders. You can't retroactively superimpose plot revelations onto characters.
@@Red-qk7hv Not at all, when he was in his prime, Barristan would have, but not in his condition now. In the show they really spit on Jaime's ability, like his fight with Brienne. In the books Jaime is in far worse conditions, not only his hands were chained, his feet were too, he lost a lot of weight and strenght because of starvation after a whole year of prison, and even because they spent a lot of time running away to not be captured, Jaime even felt like his swordmanship after that year got worse than rotten, practically putriefied, and yet Brienne barely survived against him, she could barely block a swing that another one was already about to strike her down, and she "won" only because he soon got tired since he was in awful conditions. She even think that even if his body wasn't in such bad shape, even chained he would have utterly destroyed her and that probably no swordman in the seven kingdom would have been able to defeat Jaime (unlinke in the show in which she mocks his ability saying that he was overhyped by rumors)
Giantdad Lives So you're saying they've been lying around the city for 17 years, unknown to anyone... But in a few months before they are suddenly needed, they were all found by accident? Doesn't that sound silly to you?
It's implied that Cersei sent Qyburn to look for the wildfire and he found it. Remember what she told Tywin in season 4? She would burn their house to the ground before letting others take her Tommen away from her. Sounds pretty worrisome now, doesn't it?
"He did what he had to do to save millions." Robert had no idea about that though. His reaction is more a realization that the mad king was completely mad.
+Baldo Karinja He did refer to the Mad King which makes it a cheap shot, since Jaime is still despised for breaking his oath and killing his own king who was an old man which is why Robert said he doesn't count, because it wasn't very honorable kill.
Yeah, he was. But Jaime was the youngest knight of the Kingsguard in history, being only a teenager at the time of his appointment to the position so he was approximately a little over half of the King's age. Also the Mad King was in so poor health that his physical state was basically that of a much older man. I found the following from gameofthrones.wikia.com: "Aerys's growing madness took a drastic toll on his physical appearance. Fearful of allowing blades in his presence (save those of his sworn Kingsguard), Aerys ceased to have his hair or nails cut for years. By the time of the rebellion, his fingernails had grown nearly a foot long, and his long, filthy, tangled hair and beard hung below his shoulders. Increasingly paranoid that someone would attempt to poison him, he ate so rarely that he became extremely gaunt. Combined with the stress from his madness, by the time of the rebellion, when Aerys was only forty years old, he looked as old and haggard as a man twice his age."
The look in Robert's eyes when Jamie said "Burn them all" says it all. That was the moment that he realized that Jamie saved *everyone* by betraying his oaths.
In the show it showed he had visions of the night king and the walkers. Maybe he knew the white walkers were coming and he went insane due to fear. Burn them all. 🙃
@@fluffygengar3533 interesting theory. I heard something like it on another channel where it’s suggested that Bran might’ve been the one who inadvertently showed the Mad King the future threat of the White Walkers and army of the dead. Bran could affect the past as shown by his interaction with Willis and him becoming Hodor as he heard Merra’s words to hold the door and saw himself holding back the dead.
@@fmod77 had a theory years ago that the Walkers were instrinsically linked to the Targaryens, or at least the fire and dragon-related magics of Valyria, and that they started moving when there were no more Targaryens on Westeros
I find it quite telling that Robert remembers his first kill so vividly but can’t even recall Lyanna’s face the reason he started the Rebellion for. He was a blood hungry warrior first, not a romantic or a lord. He simply fell on the Iron throne due to his Strength
It’s normal. Ned can’t remember the faces of his comrades and friends at the Tower of Joy but he can remember the faces of the men who killed them. Adrenaline and stress will do weird things to the brain. There is also the scene later in the show of the Black Brother talking about his brother’s killer where he says he can’t remember his brother’s face but can still remember the face of his killer.
@@chrisdawson1776 no it’s a genuine observation though. He probably fantasized and idealized so much about her that he can’t fully picture who she really was when he loved her. That, and she was busy loving someone else. Does that fit into your response very well?
That's because he didn't love her. He was just obsessed with her. For If you ACTUALLY LOVE someone, and they don't love you back, you respect their wishes, as hard as that might be. Robert, in reality, is nothing more than a spoiled-boy throwing a temper tantrum. It was just unfortunate for Rhaegar that angry boy can swing both of his "hammers" like Thor himself. #ImHereAllWeek
@@mycommentpwnz Agreed he was obsessed. But I thought he and everyone else believed Rhaegar had kidnapped her. Why Rhaegar and Lyanna didn't come clean with their dalliance is up for debate. Most people say he didn't want to offend the Martells (Family of his first wife). Or that his father wouldn't allow it. But it still feels like a gaping plot hole to me.
@@zachholt2085 Ah, yeah. That's true/great point. Robert believed she was raped and kidnapped. Perhaps they (R & L) didn't tell anyone because their desires/wishes didn't matter, so telling people would do nothing but shame the Martell family. Love doesn't stand in the way of family & duty for high-born women. She was "assigned" to Robert, and it was either have Rhaegar (and his allies) kill him in battle, or Lyanna was going to have to marry him. After further contemplation, it's actually very similar to the story of "Troy." A beautiful woman is married (or in this case, intended to be married) to some warrior/brute, and she is unhappy with her marriage. Then, some handsome prince comes to the rescue. Yet, In both stories, both kingdoms of the "rescuers" were destroyed. I guess the moral of both stories is this: love CAN'T conquer ALL things after-all.
@@zachholt2085 I wish they do a Prequel about Robert's Rebellion . Far more content in there . Want to see Petyr get his Ass handed to him by Brandon . Varys as a little bird and The Mad King time period when Tywin was still a Bitch and was plotting his Rise .
If memory serves, this was the first glimpse into Jaime's true character that we got. Robert's reaction is our reaction, upon realizing that Jaime wasn't just a one-dimensional rich kid traitor, that he actually was a noble man who lived with an ill-earned bad rap.
One also get's to see his high respect for Baristan Selmy on display here. Jaime comes off like a posh and arrogant twat at first, but we can see he respects those he knows have more talent than he does.
Now Robert is dead with all the other true greats. He could have lingered at the edge of the series with the other lesser characters and today; his dialogue would be terrible, any character development would probably get thrown out the window and he'd still be waking three times in the night to piss into a bowl. Wine!
I think the moment of this scene that truly reveals who Robert is in this line: “Stupid boy. Now the Tarly's bend the knee like everyone else. He could have lingered on the edge of the battle with the smart boys, and today his wife would be making him miserable, his sons would be ingrates, and he'd be waking three times in the night to piss into a bowl. WINE!” Robert hates his life and he’s nostalgic for the time when he was a strong leader and not a drunken fat king. In that line, he reveals that despite how stupid the Tarly boy is, he envies the fact that he had a warrior’s death. That’s what he wants, but now that he’s the king and everyone bends the knee, their is no war so he’s depressed. He has no purpose anymore and thus uses whores, hunting and WINE! to hide that pain. That line about pissing into a bowl three times a night was him starting to reveal his pain and he called for WINE! so he didn’t divulge anymore of his own feelings.
Something I didn't quite catch was at 1:46 he starts talking about what the Tarly lad would have if he hadn't died, but doesn't list a single good aspect about surviving war, and becomes increasingly aggravated as he does so. It makes me think that Robert is actually describing himself, perhaps wishing he had the fortune of dying in battle rather than lingering on as an ageing, jaded drunk.
not everyone are made to be king... he never wanted to, he would have been happy being a mercenary company leader or being married to a woman he loved, he was a simple and strong man born into a powerful family.
No. Midway, he was talking about Rhaegar and he mentioned the rebellion. You can tell that he was trying to provoke Barristan since he was one of Rhaegar's most trusted friends.
In the books there is one line that caught my attention. He says he would love to just run away with a hammer in hand as the runaway king, but leaving the kingdom to his son Joffrey stopped any further thought of that
Jamie only cares about fighting so he has a high level of respect for any man skilled with the sword. In the books he says the only times he ever feels alive is when he’s fighting or fucking.
@@lordcoltrane5630 surprise surprise the teleporting greyjoy fleet is here, would be shame if we accurately shot ur dragon 3 times behind a mountain. Winter is here, JK its still a myth to the rest of the 7 kingdoms.
@@widukindgaladh949 I have a feeling the reason why they're so good, is that GRRM wrote them. OC scenes are turned terrible soon as GRRM stopped working on the show. I think they told him they needed a Robert/Jaime scene (as there wasn't a real one in the books) so he wrote this. Same with the Robert/Cersei scene.
@@newpgaston6891 nah dude some scenes like this D&D came up with themselves. They're great at adapting books and including scenes that make them better. They didn't have a guide after they ran out of source material and it frankly looks like around season 7 they lost interest. All this led to their shitty season 8
Can we talk about how dumb Jaime's death was. He was one of the best written characters of the whole story, grey and tragic and very dimensional and ended up dying by rubble. Fucking RUBBLE. He deserved a lot better than that, Cersei did as well. She was a brilliant villain with many layers and was so easy to hate.
@@theonionsystem7779 People would be whinging about the show taking so long if they took their time. What they really needed was George Martin as a co-writer on those seasons. George let everyone down.
This scene made me wonder about Jaime, before Season 3 shed more light on the subject. "he said the same thing he'd been saying for hours. Burn them all." That look that Robert gives him when he says it too. Its almost like Robert sees Jaime truly for the first time. Powerful Scene.
It's like no one even thought to ask him why he did it until now. Maybe the whole time Jaime was waiting for that, but he'd never say it by himself because it would seem like he was making excuses. The way Robert's expression changes, it's just dawning on him that there might be more to the story than he realised
This scene is amazing, the subtle facial expression change by Robert when Jaime told him what the Mad King said. It conveyed so much with so little. Just a glimpse into how crazy the Mad King was.
+Kaleb Blakemore I don't think that's actually true that he saved Robert. Robert was injured at the trident so he sent Eddard ahead of him to witness Jaime's betrayal (that's why Jaime is obsessed with Eddard judging him and not Robert.). Robert wasn't there at that battle, but Robert does of course see that there was more to Jaime's decision than meets the eye.
Robert was injured at the trident; Jaime only technically saved His own fathers army and maybe Neds army as he was sent down to kingslanding as robert was too injured to go.
"And today his wife would be making him miserable" a reference to Cersei "His sons would be ingrates" to Joffrey "He'd be waking up 3 times in the night to piss into a bowl" to himself
despite how many great lines Robert has, it's his speechless reaction which is his best moment in the whole series. He is absolutely shocked by the revelation, but his face tells you that he believes what he has just heard.
He is goddamn fucking amazing here, no doubt about it. That look in his eyes at around 4:20 is so real and raw. Charles Dance (Tywin) and Alfie Allen (Theon) are incredible actors too. Play their characters perfectly with such raw unnerving perfection.
Still a lot of good actors there. Orlenna, Jorah Mormont, The hound, Tyrion, Bronn, Littlefinger, Varys, Jamie, Cercei, Melissandre, Davos Seaworth, Arya, Sansa, Theon and quite a few more are all played by great actors.
True. Dialogues and acting are the two factors that made the show so good. There were only two scenes that left some impact in the 8th season. Tyrion and Sansa in the crypt and Dany with Drogon behind her back. Dialogues sucked.
This scene is four and a half minutes of pure dialogue. In season 8 "dialogue" lasts no more than 40 seonds, consists purely of smalltalk and quips and always cuts off before it reaches conclusion.
Mark Addy doesnt get the recognition that some of the other cast does but this was a really powerful scene that benefits from his performance. He seems so disturbed by Jaime's words, like he's just now realizing just how important it was that Jaime did what he did
I actually think Mark Addy's acting is on par with everyone's in Season 1, and perhaps it's the best overall. He really does transpire former joviality, bitterness, and his voice Inflexions are great.
Which didn't add up with the books though. Robert never liked Jaime. But he never felt any sort of despise towards him. He never saw him as a traitor either. He was actually glad that Jaime did what he did. "... The fool that he was, even Robert could have seen what Ned Stark could not. In order to sit on that throne safely, those Targaryens boys had to die. But he didn't want to do it himself. That wasn't what hero's do."
*2:59* It's interesting how Barristan's feelings are a little hurt, and opens his mouth reflexively as though he is close to explaining to the king the importance of the King's Guard.
I just love the irony/contrast in Robert’s character, where he’s slept with so many women he’s forgotten their faces, even that of Lyanna’s/his own betrothed, and yet at the same time he claims (and probably does) remember the face of every single person he’s killed in combat.
Not really. There was no political discord during his reign outside of the Greyjoy rebellion. No one had beef with one another. That happened after Jon Arryn died. It's interesting to see where this would've gone had Robert lived. Finding out Cersei's children aren't his would've probably caused a war in itself because it's no secret he'd kill her, the kids and Jaime, and no way in hell would Tywin let that stand.
Cherylle Johnson My guess would be if that does happen and war breaks out between tywin and robert, atleast 3 kingdoms would support robert (Dorne, Stormlands and The North, all for obvious reasons) and i dont see anyone supporting tywin
@@janellejulianajoy If Robert didn't die from his injuries, Ned wouldn't have been executed. And when the secret came out, the Baratheon's and the Stark's would have probably formed an alliance and gone to war against the Lannisters.
@mxt mxt Im a bit late to the party but they definitely would of been destroyed, im not sure if renly was already betrothed to margery but stannis would of followed robert being his king (and that being his character) the riverlands already having a grudge because of the mountain, the north for attacking ned, the vale being out of the fold but still hated the lanisters and also dorne and the iron islands pillaged, not many allies left lol.
Jaegar Ultima Aery's words alone disturbed Robert and this is without knowing the true extent of Aery's obsession with Wildfire. Quickly disposing a mad ruler before he killed more innocents seems logical but from the perspective of honor driven judgemental individuals, like Ned Stark, only see it as a despicable act regardless of the circumstances.
+Jaegar Ultima Robert didn't give two fucks about the mad king. He despises all targaryians. His reaction seemed more like "Oh, he was fucking crazy after all"
+Julio Catalan I don't think Ned knew the extent of Aerys madness, he knew about his dad and brother but he thought that he was just a king insulted by a lord and his son. Not a mad man obsessed with destruction and wildfire. All he knew was that when he arrived Aerys was dead and Jaime was sitting on the throne, he never knew the whole story
Robert's expression is gold after Jaime tells him what was the mad king last word. That face, disbelief mixed with a realization that there is more to that story, such a great acting.
That last look on Robert's face is the best piece of acting in this entire scene. Like just hearing Jaime utter the words "burn them all" gave him a flashback of the devil.
***** That's a fair point to be annoyed. Still, it wasn't as if Jamie had nay say in it, though I doubt he really objected as it would mean he'd be close to Cersei.
+Thebuzzki11er after the trident when rheagar was killed barriston was taken prisoner by Roberts forces and Ned convinced Robert to pardon selmy and allow him on his king guard
That slow parting of his lips as he realises the magnitude of "burn them all", that grey sunken cunt Pycelle's intel about the caches of wildfire stored underneath the city...
The reaction of Robert when Jaime said “he’d be saying the same thing he said for hours, burn them all” made me think that Robert had heard some rumours but now he knows it’s true
I mean,the King in his prime was a crazy beast of a warrior himself. Dude was tired and outnumbered and still killed Rhaeghar who had beaten barristan in jousts
@@hehehehe4204 a joust is completely different compared to a swordfight in the midst of battle. Just enough stamina, hit the right spots, and enough speed from your horse, and you can knock people out with sticks.
@@alexanderchristopher6237 that's true but Rhaegar was one of the top ten fighters in the world of game of thrones but Robert in his prime was a beast read about Roberts rebellion its like if the good guys won game of thrones
4:13 that subtle hardening of Jaime's expression as he says that, rendering King Robert momentarily speechless. Great acting from Mark Addy and especially Nikolaj Coster-Waldau.
There's something really chilling about the way Jaime said 'burn them all', as if he's a) ashamed of what he had to do, though it was ultimately for the greater good and b) he sends a warning to Robert about what happens to kings when they anger the people and those who vow to protect him. It links back to Tyrion's conversation with Varys in season 2 about who ultimately holds power. Jaime, for a moment, was the most powerful man in Westeros when he killed Aerys Targaryen, when Aerys wore the crown. A really wonderful scene, and perhaps one of the best in the whole series.
