The Kobold Proletariat Rises | Prossh Budget Commander Deck 

Physical manifestation of “Staring daggers”

Wild that a trillion damage only needs 40 ETBs

IIRC the 40 etbs was kinda her fault too because she Chaos Warped (or some similar card) Krenko and I got a Chancellor of the Forge.

you should look up his commander videos with him on other channels , he is funny there too and you can learn how to play more

Most of the things making aristocrats expensive are the payoffs rather than the things that die. The good token makers really push it up but when I looked at aristocrats most death payoffs you want are $2-$5, which hurts ~30 cards later

@@maldhound 100% agree. But I will say usually when people say “Prossh is expensive” they also then complain that they “have to have” Parallel Lives, Doubling Season, or Food Chain (which is actually cheapest it’s been in a long time) in order to work. Figured I’d at least mention the skeleton trick for those maybe interested in Prossh aristocrats, but not interested in the price tag. As an aside, I’m happy to see you’re enjoying JJK and love the shorts on it. Maybe do something clowning on MAPPA for their treatment of their animators, like the design team shorts

Yes, I guess I don't get the communism reference myself.

Not enough of a payoff with everything else we take and getting prossh to die shouldn’t be too tough at the average table

Cardboard is expensive.

You'd have to run (at least quite a few) snowlands, which tend to be an actual investment, unlike regular basics.

@@qwormuli77 I've found just running all the snow duals you can is enough. in a 3 color deck you rarely if ever draw all 3, Which is ~$1.50 for the duals the deck can run, for a total of ~$2.20 in total extra investment for a better mana base

@@Oxygen1004 And in a budget optimized deck you have to get all you can for every euro. Though I'd still run _at least_ 5-6 snow basics, and snow basic suite can add up to a few euros more or so. Because even a slight-ish chance at whiffing a Rampant makes it worse than the coverage gives you can't take that chance. But I don't necessarily disagree, especially in situation where you can get extra mileage from the snow investment. For that money even a Three visits might be a better alternative, not to mention Nature's lore. But if a third one is in need or the snow is used elsewhere, Into the North is a good one.

Exposure to the internet. Anybody who knows what the term "mald" means will also know the other thing.

Why do _YOU?_ Hmm?

Coercing the land stuck players with it the most black thing a green card can do that comes to mind.

$36 is still $36 there’s only so much you can do. And even against pillow fort you can still sac your kobolds to card draw stuff to dig for devilish valet to set up a one tap

Unless they have a very locked down fort (which implies some expensive cards /w tutor ditto and a whole another budget class), your pings and flings will still get through to the face.

It’s ~$70 on cardkingdom, ~$36 on tcgplayer

Actually, it does trigger the vat, because in order for the token to cease to exist it has to be in a zone other than the battlefield, in this case the graveyard, meaning it's in the graveyard even if only for the briefest of seconds before non-existing as a state-based action. If it's any consolation for me not knowing the specific rules/rulings, tokens do indeed trigger the vat on Arena, and on a Google search, everyone in comments/discussion of the card says that it works like that.

"If a token _IS IN A ZONE_ other than battlefield" for that SBA to happen, it has to already be in a graveyard for the check and "dying" in MTG is fancy words for the movement of a creature from BF to GY. They don't cease to exist between locations, but in them, whether hand, GY or deck.

Look, I'm not saying anyone is wrong.... I'm just saying that these explanations are goofy and stupid and make no sense. The fact that it sounds like utter bunk that people throw out to try and insist that something should work they want it to shows just how dumb some of the rulings can be. The way I see it, if a token cannot exist in the graveyard, it cannot trigger effects that specify having to go to the graveyard. If I'm wrong, so be it, but it sounds fucking stupid.

@@The1AndOnlyGoldenboy Play for a year or so more and it'll tart making sense. Stuff moving between zones and stuff existing in zones are (roughly) two different things in MTG. For something to exist in a zone (that it didn't start at) it has to first move there. Stuff moving has names, depending on from where what moves and where it moves to. Dying, being cast and being discarded are some of those. Stuff referring to those things refer to the movement, not the destination. So, for something to cease to exist in a destination, it has to logically go there first. And that going is the dying in this question. If it goes, it triggers the things that trigger when it goes and the triggers don't care what happens to it when it reaches it's destination.

ACTUALLY, Tokens are considered to enter the GY(Or Exile or what have you) and then vanish from existence immediately after(iirc this is a state based action but I forget the exacts), rather than vanishing while on the battlefield This comes up in a number of places, for a rather recent example: Role Tokens, Wicked deals a bit of burn when it enters the GY