The Kooky Case of Raven Abaroa 

I’m currently in the same situation as you were. You’re incredible to get through! Congrats to you! It’s one of the hardest things to go through, I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy xxx

Hey man, congrats! I was on opioids from the age of 19 to 26. I went from OC's to eventually Heroine. I went to jail in 2014 because of it. I went through withdraws in jail. It was hell, but I'm glad it happened. Cheers to you for getting clean! Keep it up!🤙

@@bethoc7221 You can do it.🤙

Only quitters quit 💪

Chris, I’m rooting for you!! 💕

Ha. Mike is delft...he's got it covered. My favorite is Mr Ballen...he just rags on the like button. Love both of these guys.

Totally!!! Feels like no BS

@@expressivepets1 I’ve heard others do that since and it just feels like a direct copy haha. Can’t steal from the best

when they do that I don't hit the like button

@Cozmik funk rabbitt Haha..I tell people I'm grown until it comes to you telling me what to do, then I act like a child and forget how to listen.

Hell yeah, you said it! I always look forward for his next show

I wonder, does he have to pay back the life insurance?

@Nikki: With 500K he almost certainly could have bought the court. They're absolutely for sale.

See Nancy Schaefer's videos for more information.

Yep, courts get backed up. He had to wait on a list until his time came.

@swingshift I see your point. But to play devil's advocate I also don't want a psycho killer out on the loose for the three or four years it takes to convict him...

@@patrickpelletier3104 the correct answer is that arnett government needs to get their s*** together and do things in a timely fashion. Whether it's law and order, spending or regulating.... They are terrible and would never make it in the private sector

lol same. I do the dance too.

What's the life insurance music

kinda wish it was longer so I can Kinda start grooving with mike 😂

Same!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@@michaelcarlin7806 the music with Mike facing to it!🤣🤣

Same😩

diont worry this guy will be in trouble with the law again....if he hasnt already

Janet’s family warning her of Raven probably helped a lot in getting her out of that situation. Since she had already been told he could be violent, she would have been harder to manipulate once he started showing those signs. Mad respect to Janet’s family, honestly, they already had so much to deal with and they still took action to protect other women from him.

Scary that he's already out, like what if he tries to contact her again?? I'd be worried if I were her

Spoiler xD now I know, thx, I will still watch this video :D

When I saw the video clip of him showing off a knife. I could see how selfish he is. And really how strange his thought process is. He said this is my new knife, I got it for Christmas, I bought it for myself, my dad would be so proud, because I collect them. WTF She equates Pride with possessions? He's a real mental defective.

Yes, that phone call. It makes me wonder what was he doing the 15 seconds prior to dialing 911. Was he giving himself that pep talk and then started the fake hyperventilate? That interview of him acting was crazy. I think the timestamp was 945 he said I want some coffee and he giggled. The director immediately says okay we are off and running, no sooner did the director say running that Ravens face got sad and he put the little tremble in his voice. It's amazing how fast he can go from laughing to crying?

My thoughts exactly

​@@ritawashere5787my husband's from India and it's quite common for them (their culture) to equate pride with possessions. They congratulate each other on a new, top-of-the-line TV, car, house, etc...you name it. Keeping up with the Jones is a huge thing for them. It is here somewhat too. Maybe not as bad though. I think you already see him in a negative light and automatically interpret that scene negatively because of it. Not that I liked him. Personally, I'm so turned off when my husband's relatives brag. They brag to anyone because status and material possession is what brings them a sense of pride. Anyway, that's all I got.

@@JamieAug Unfortunately wives and children are often counted the same way---- as possessions!!!

“If you’re guilty, you really need an attorney. If you’re innocent, you really REALLY need an attorney.” Forget where I heard that.

100% agree. Never speak to police without a lawyer, and NEVER take a polygraph. They're total junk science, inadmissible in court, and if you are innocent and pass they don't care, but if you fail then they assume you're guilty

​@@amandagrace3588 saul Goodman.

Better look guilty than to be found guilty by a jury

Amen to THAT!!

And don’t forget the baby on the way

... true as it can be

Barely even friends Then somebody bends Unexpectedly…

“Just a little change Small, to say the least Both a little scared Neither one prepared Beauty and the Beast 🎶 “

Usually only in highly religious families..regular people just cheat and run off with the new partner

He seemed fake on the interview, like he was having so much fun and was just on there to fool people. Maybe he didn’t do it but he sure acts like he did it. He would have motive and opportunity.

Good catch!

So smart. Best comment.

well considering he said that someone was likely after him he is implying that her being with him made her a target and got her killed.

That's actually a very very good catch. Man's guilty AF.

Sounded to me like he wished he’d never met her or married her, it was weird to say

Hahaha opinions are like arseholes!!! Everybody has one I love that saying 😂

@@eleanorreid729 I had to throw that in otherwise I fear I'd be thought of as an asshole. One of my petpeeves is shitty crime scene work. On one occasion, I spent two days processing a scene and I've known other agents to spend several days in a scene. Do it right the first time because there are no second chances.

@@richardclifford003 that's it exactly!! There isn't a 2nd chance xx thank you for the job u do it can't be easy, huge respect xx

@@eleanorreid729 I used to sell cars we would say there's a ars for every seat

He stole shoes. Wear a bigger pair would not be hard. Rubber gloves used has prints turned inside out? And where they found the print was a bit odd from pictures. Movie mystery plot I've seen once had that. Maybe? Just a guess.

It's crazy that like 90% of the cases he covers involve life insurance

my favorite part of his videos is the life insurance dance

Agree.

Love when he does that! 🤣😂🤣😂

🕺🏻💃🤺 ☝ 🇬🇧

That statement hit me weird also, and thought the same thing. One would hope for a "I wish I had stayed home, then maybe I could've defended her/us." That would be my line of thinking (if I gave a damn).

well it sounds like that he got 500k out of this and chacne to start his life again...for hiim he probably (unfortunately) didn't care and made the most of it. Doesnt mean he killed her

No mention about the baby he lost as well ,guilty in my eyes $$hungry

My eyes bugged at that part 👀 I could not believe he said that on tv. 😂

Yes!! I thought the same thing!

Not always. In this case, yes, but not always. I was once in a lengthy emergency situation, and I became so dehydrated that I couldn't make tears. When I was rescued I was crying like a baby, but I couldn't make tears.

@@thankyouverymuch Not *literally* dry, Professor.

👍🏼👍🏼😂

This needs more likes, this comment is pure gold 😮‍💨

Perfect. Simply perfect 😂

😂

Damn it 😂😂😭

yes if someone shows you who they are believe them

If the second wife was Mormon there is a great pressure for women to get and stay married, no matter what slimy crap the husband does.

@@cherijoseph7819 you could be right - but even an intensively religious family should have 2nd thoughts about pressuring a woman to marry a man who's first wife was murdered, and then acts like this piece of garbage did. At least I would hope! She ended up getting the marriage annulled after only 6 months, anyway!

Lol My own comment is so similar to this one. I find it odd there aren't a BUNCH more just like it. People are so ridiculous.

@@cherijoseph7819 Stop making excuses. No one pressured her into marrying a guy who's wife was murdered. Please. She needs to confront her own poor decision making. Period

Women

Having served on a couple juries has convinced me that if I ever found myself charged with a felony I would not choose trial by jury unless I was guilty.

Funny how the more you learn about the system, the less you believe in it. I was raised to believe in it strongly, and I did for much of the first part of my life. Then I actually went through the system and saw it for what it was - a bunch of people with undeserved power, trying to enrich themselves or advance their careers or both, with no regard whatsoever for the people whose lives they're absolutely destroying. Now I absolutely refuse to call what we have a "justice" system.

@@pizzlerot2730 Oh absolutely 100%. I was the same way growing up then I went through the system too, and realized once you're in the system, it's designed to keep you in. There's a million ways to mess up and, even if you're doing exactly what you're supposed to and nothing else, you're still not even guaranteed. You're at the whim of others. I knew the probation and prison systems were awful, but I had no prior knowledge of exactly how the grand jury systems worked. Afterwards, it shattered a faith I didn't even realize I still had.

I moved to Durham around the middle of this, after her murder, and I don't remember much about the murder, but I do actually feel like I did know about the embezzlement and side selling of shoes stolen. I did recognize some of the news coverage. Actually, as I watch more and more, I am actually remembering more of this. Especially the WRAL coverage. I'm not convinced of his guilt, but I'm not convinced that he's innocent either.

I mean... the lawyers would argue that and a judge would decide. You aren't there to be the lawyer...you are there to decide if it's guilty or not or I suppose in this case if there is sufficient evidence to go to trial. Cops don't always know every in and out of every law. Thats why you have district attorneys. See if a cop tells a da about an arrest...they would know that the search or whatever was no good and decline prosecution..if they for whatever reason don't the defense lawyers would argue and again the judge decides. I've served as a juror and if we had any question about any law being charged the judge explained it to us in depth. The cops are ARRESTING you... the district attorney DECIDES the charges.

Yeah honestly warping a kids memory of a chill parent is almost just as bad I will say though, I haven't finished yet but regardless if he is guilty or not, getting a lawyer and not talking to the cops is 1000% sensible and not damning in the slightest You see so many cases where if the person is guilty or especially if they're innocent..talking to the cops is NEVER going to help, it can literally only ever screw you.. and as the spouse you're already under suspicion, and if you didn't do it that's even more reason not to give them any ammo to bone you with. There is not a single scenario in a criminal case you're involved in where talking is a good idea and every lawyer on the planet will tell you that Obviously if you're a witness that's a different story, but yeah

@@KaladinVegapunk Maybe watch the entire video before saying stuff like that? Frankly, I quite enjoy knowing that a lot of murderers are so arrogant they think they can talk their way out of being a prime suspect. The more they dig their own holes, the better.

@@KaladinVegapunk Well said never talk to the cops. Get legal advice.

I hope he doesn't end up like his father. Sadly, many do.

Probably not since hundreds if not thousands of people are bad-mouthing his image.

... and he loves us.

I gave him a compliment on his last video and boy, oh boy! You would've thought I k*lled someone!! 😂

@@Professionalasshole Huh?

That little guitar ditty is great. I like to play along when I start the video up.

@@liftedgifted6010 Wow I have yet to bump into that on here and I've been here years by now. But with a larger audience comes a lot of different types!

Nope, not just you. I honestly do not feel bad for Vanessa, I mean seriously how desperate do you have to be?! 🤦🏻‍♀️

@@MarinkaSea911 and she still went to her bridal shower after he attacked her

My mother told me always meet the parents . If I was getting serious with someone and couldn’t afford to meet the parents ( plane trip etx ) she’s pay for it. Wise woman . My tip ? Psychopaths can’t keep up the act for over 11/2-2 years - don’t commit until after the 2 year mark .

Women love bad men. What else is new.

Women having terrible taste in men, what else is new.

Yes, I hope somebody gives him what he needs, and her parents need , DUE JUSTICE

That's what's bothering me, this guy didn't even lose custody of his other kid did he? I was just saying I hope people pay very close attention to whether or not he takes out a life insurance policy on that child....

I dream of Mike every night while I sleep

Too tell you the truth when he winks at the end it drives me crazy LOL @@dairyfreemilkyway239

He acts like a spoiled teen. She was way to good for him. Too mature, for lil squeaky voiced Satan

We would just be watching something else probably

We would be just fine lol

CRAZY.

Are you in love with him?

@@rosas4851 ^ someone who clearly doesn't understand the range of human emotions, especially the romantic love - platonic love. you okay bruv?

You did understand that he wasn't admitting anything, right?

The statements had me wondering.

Women having terrible taste in men, what else is new.

Quoth the Raven.

Actually, one of the (many) traits of a sociopathic killer is to insert oneself into the investigation. Normally it's done by the killer to taunt the authorities and/or to gain information as to the status of the investigation. I have no doubt Raven is a sociopath. Sociopaths are born not made.

Seriously 😂 sounds like a nickname a 13 year old goth kid would give themselves lol

@@pr4208 RIght? Or Criss Angel's much less successful cousin.

Because he was named as a child.

Maybe his parents are big fans of the Baltimore football team. I know that’s why I named my son Seahawk

ummmm adult human where is this point of your

I want to meet him! He seems like a cool guy you could sit around talk shit and drink beer.

Very smart in the way he does it, such a talent to be able to make a rather morbid situation funny (and never in a degrading way) keep it up mucker!

Ditto

It's mostly women 😉

And a great accent to boot

That's called editing. Tell me you've never talked about something emotional and been fine up until you had to discuss the emotional aspects.

My exact reaction too

Yes, it is. Lots of pressure for brides who’ve spent months preparing & planning, especially back then. At least half the people I see marrying every year, should not be getting married.

My thoughts exactly

@@sunshine3914 back then?? Honey.. it wasn’t that long ago lol🤣

It seems some people are desperate to be married I’m desperate to stay single lolololo

Exactly. They had nothing except the fact that he was a POS. The physical evidence all pointed away from him, and I doubt he had the money to hire a hit man.

justice will be served inshallah rip to janet

BS

@@electricaf365 what's BS? That I knew her family? Her family attended the Annandale VA ward of the LDS church, and that's where I met them. Her mom was really sweet and was very involved in church activities including the youth programs, so everyone knew Mrs. Christiansen. One of her sisters was named Jeanette (I believe that's the sister they show at the end in the courtroom, but a couple sisters looked so much alike so I can't be sure), and that's the one I knew best out of all of them - all of the kids' names in their family started with a J. When you attend an LDS church it's more than just going to church on Sundays. There are always activities, especially for their youth programs. There are dances a couple times per month and root beer float socials, etc. You're at the church 2 or 3 times a week, so the kids get to know each other really well. But I moved when I was 15 and only saw them a couple of times after that so lost touch with them. But my best friend from my childhood attended that church her whole life. So when I first heard about this case (it was on dateline or a similar program several years ago), I asked her if she was from the Christiansen family we knew and she verified that she was. Do you not think all of the people in the cases Mike covers had lives, and actual friends? Do you think they didn't grow up going to school and going to church just like everyone else did? Of course they did. So it would make sense that occasionally people who knew them are going to run across one of his videos. But sure, it's all BS. I just made it up for no reason at all. Lol

@@nturavrgchick6055 no need to explain yourself to fools. Trolls are everywhere, try not to feed into their game by explaining validation to your story. Genuine people never doubt you to begin with and that was enough. Thanks for sharing however and wish you all the best. Take care x

@@nturavrgchick6055 I believed you (why would you make that up? That you knew some family members? OOh scandalous). It's so funny, whenever I have read a comment where someone claims to either know someone or even know of them, and it's not often, there's always some moron chiming in that it's a lie. Perhaps these fools are projecting, knowing all the BS they spew online, so everyone else must be doing the same.

🤣🤣🤣 I love it!

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No one can pull that off like Mike does.

Mike's the best! Hi from Austria 🇦🇹

I have to agree, Mike is PERFECT about that, I don't know how he pulls it off to be honest with you.

True crime is inherently exploitative and is disrespectful by its very nature. Respectful means to consider the feelings, wishes, and rights of others in a thoughtful manner. Mike cracking dark jokes about the crime in question isn't considerate to the victim, who were real people who lives were brutally cut short, and their friends and family (also real people). I'm pretty sure I know why some people try to rationalize to themselves why Mike and other true crime media are being respectful. It's due to the cognitive dissonance felt from deriving entertainment off of other peoples grief, pain, and suffering. Unless you're a sociopathic sadist, you know that that is morally wrong. Thus, discomfort is felt from the contradicting beliefs and/or thoughts. Others that try to be less disrespectful about it attempt to get consent from the victim's family, typically won't mention the perpetrator's real name to keep the focus on the victim, and tend to donate some of the money they're making to organizations that assist victims and their family. Mike does none of those and he makes roughly $20,000 to $30,000 a month off the real people lives that were brutally cut short, and their friends and family's grief while cracking jokes about it. The victim and family's boundaries are violated and they're essentially victimized all over again for our entertainment.

@@bIametheniIe Make a tl;dr will you?

Who asked

Wishing the best for your Dad and your family.

I'm glad to hear that hes stable! I pray you keep well and that he makes a speedy recovery. I agree Mike is awesome!

I'm so sorry you're going through this...you're literally living my worst nightmare. you're a good kid to be there for him like you are and he's lucky to be so loved. it's ok to cry, friend

I'm glad that this brought you some relief. It's so hard. Hugs from over here.

IKR? And it's a girl's name. Weird, that.

same i always "like" because i love Mike and so I don't rewatch the same cases.

Totally agree. He essentially got away with it.

That sounds about rwhite

There is no direct evidence, hung jury, no case basically. And he served the time. Imagine he’s not guilty and he came through all this?

It was actually for two lives, she was pregnant, he really got AWAY WITH MURDER

Consider Breivik who killed 77 people, including 55 teenagers. Got the longest sentence available in Norway- 17 years, and just had a parole hearing this week

Doubt it

Psychopaths always seem really nice, charming even...

@@codybennett2060 You’re right, I just lie so I can get attention via RU-vid comments.

@@terridonato6231 always seems that way doesn’t it? He seemed to go out of his way to be extra nice and engaging. Hate to say it but I walked away thinking “what a nice guy”

@Jeff P fortunately she was smart enough to dump him

I never want to get life insurance. Instead , have a savings account with a "private" Will.

Should life insurance not be illegal at this point? It literally incentivises 50% of the murders reported on here, seems like the costs outweigh the benefits 🤔

I know, I've seen him pull off his life insurance celebration dance a couple of times & it's just as hilarious as the first time! XD

@@zazaaziella16 I don't worry about it so much. I have several thousand dollars worth in collectables, same in fishing gear, a $35k vehicle but would be glad to have life insurance just in case something unexpected happened to me. Everyone knows that everything I have goes to my wife of 25 years. It's up to her as to what to do with it then. It wouldn't be any different if I had life insurance because I know she'd use it to make sure she & our children were well taken care of.

@@Hankblue No, I don't think so. Anyone who has a pragmatic side would think about life insurance as being a good way of making sure that their family would be well taken care of, in case of an unexpected event happening, at some point or another. Furthermore of those that have life insurance I'm sure a very small percentage of them actually fall victim to foul play. As I expressed to Zaza a moment ago I too would like to have life insurance just in case something happened to me. Then again I'm the type of person that would likely abuse the life insurance. For example, say I found out one of my children were suffering from leukemia, I'd be perfectly willing to "fall asleep in the bathtub" just to make sure they could afford the treatments.

Yesss!

This is just confirmation bias. There’s thousands of 911 calls with innocent people that say similar things. You’d have to be slow in the head to think that counts as evidence towards guilt. Too many people watch True Crime and forget what objective evidence actually is.

@@Boodoo4You Yup. It's all over these videos. You can always tell that these people get their ideas about guilt from other videos made by amateurs, because they're always repeating the same phrases. "He started by saying he just got home -- so guilty!" "He referred to her in past tense -- guilty!" "He said 'that girl' instead of using her name -- guilty!" 🙄

@@amityislandchum Absolutely nailed it. Every single one of those phrases annoys me. “He said that girl which means he’s distancing himself from her”. Or “he said I loved her which means he knows she’s dead”. Everyone wants to be Inspector Holmes and analyse their speech or their body language like they know what they’re talking about. If it’s subjective, then it’s not good evidence, and it should not be used as evidence of their guilt. Human behaviour and language is just way too complex to be a repeatable science that you can analyse reliably. I question the intelligence of anyone who says things like that, unless they make it very clear that it’s just a feeling that they’re voicing. Glad someone else has noticed this too lol.

@@amityislandchum there's very few that scream obviously guilty to me. I can't remember the case but he was called Australian chris watts. Everything about his weird drunken interview with the press was just. Soooo messy. Honestly the dumbest thing I've seen someone in his situation do. Going into this video I could only guess he killed her because yanno. Usually is the bf. But the phone call itself wasn't like "omg guilty" The other side was a guy who bashed his wifes head in on the farm they lived on. He did a really good job sounding not guilty on his 911 call. It's hard to fake that kind of panic in my opinion.

One of the many reasons I love this channel.

It's sad when you have to point out and commend people on how things should be normal common practice..shows how pathetic people are when they beg for subs.

It was SVU. 🤷🏼‍♀️🤷🏼‍♀️

It was a Christian college. I'm sure he would have been better going to Trump University 🤣🤣🤣

@@ladycheyne5607 Yes he would have learned a trick or two!

Not embezzlement.

@@ladycheyne5607 You mean like Harvard or Yale or Princeton or William and Mary or Emory or Mercer or Southern Methodist or Pepperdine or almost every other private University in America? Hell, Trump "University" is one of the only non-religious Universities in American history. Of course it isn't a real school, but then neither is Trump a real Christian (just don't tell that to the millions of evangelicals who worship and adore him. Wait, you know what? Screw that! Tell them; evangelicals aren't real Christians either!).

Such a transparent creep!!!

Omg I can’t believe you watch Mike too!! I love you and Mike! Lol!!

Also, in the introduction: "It's fitting that the name Raven is in this one, because we got a few bones to pick" XD

Thinking now it’s an odd choice

@@ThatChapter nah kooky was a nice change of pace mike u could say the stupid case of elmo and big bird and we'd click

@@ThatChapter nah man we love it

@@ThatChapter please marry me!11

@@ThatChapter "kooky" is an odd choice.. If you're thinking about doing the "Wacky adventures of John Wayne Gacy" or something, I'd reconsider.. Still love ya, Mike!

Where is he from?

Easy!

Keep ur emotions to urself Cheers from west Africa 🦅

@Chris Be nice. Mike says he loves us, we're allowed to love him back! 😛

@@criessmiles3620 I'd say you have the streets all figured out but you got it the wrong way round. like "safety strong". Take a serious TD fan to get that little series of puns

@@IONAPINKMOXIE IKR? I think they are just jealous they have no love in their own existence, or some such. Why anyone would want to kick sand like that is kinda beyond me. You crack on, OP, Mike loves ya x

it's like his sarcasm grows on you, I didn't laugh as much the first times I saw him :)

I'll give you 5 pesos for a scratch

@@Angel_1983 definitely true.

@@AamuAurora depends on where I’m scratching

I wish it lasted longer too! I do believe this one was longer than the last one I saw!

I love the life insurance dance ! Mike is the best .

Kid shhhhh

Hes a great guy.

when i was a youngun, i drunkenly pushed my drunken girlfriend onto the floor, a bit too hard, and in front of half a dozen witnesses. her brothers learned of this, and paid me a visit the following day. one beat the shit out of me, and the second (scarier) brother informed me that next time it was going to be his turn. there never was a 'next time'. moral of the story is: brothers, take care of your sisters.

Was he a center forward with great dribbling skills?

@@easterworshipper5579 I’d like to hope that you grew up and realized it was wrong that changed you, not that you were scared which made you stop.

That's wild, I always wonder if I ever am gonna see someone I once knew pop up in his show. I'm sure it's rather eerie knowing this about him now

@@easterworshipper5579 Sir, this is a Wendy's.

In that interview, he says "..Janet, my wife". Isn't it a given that she was his wife? To me he is transferring what has happened to Janet to something that happened to him instead.

Also he starts out with his alibi when he gets on the phone to 911. He’s focused on where he’s been and not freaking out about the condition his wife was in as much. He certainly is narcissistic. The way he talks about needing money and power while rubbing his chin like a “manly man “ was pretentious and self absorbed. Narcissists, especially entitled men are all about money and power and they think the good traits of empathy and kindness are a weakness. The second wife said he came on stronger with his abuse when she showed fear and then laughed in her face. Those are traits of a malignant narcissist. They are sadistic predators. I wish this thing with the weird ears (did you notice?) was locked away for life because he’s not fit to be out in the world with human beings. He will continue to act the way he has been acting and only get more abusive over time.

@@cindyknudson2715 It does make it about him but it's also possessive. Her identity was wrapped up in his ownership of her. It's reassuring himself because she was his to do with as he wants. It was one of the bigger tells, if someone else did something to HIS property he would feel rage, but when he reassures himself he broke his own toy he feels self-pity and frustration at others questioning his right to break it. It's a subtle red flag I've noticed in narcissists; it's not to clarify relationship, it's to assert ownership.

Its amazing how many women are attracted to obvious narcissists.

@@cindyknudson2715 Exactly ! That's what the blog/interviews were all about, making what happened to her all about him. Hugely narcissistic/self centered.

Deadbug Says

I prefer Mike over MrBallen , sometimes, takes too long to tell a story. I like him , though.

@@zazaaziella16 I like Mike aswell, I'm a fellow Dub. Delighted to see him do so well. Deadbug has some sick production skills, deserves more subs.

You would probably love Emma Kenney then.

ballen does not tell true stories...he tells believe it or not stories

@Col7777 right and that's why you really have to take the time to get to know people. Folks can't hide who they are forever. I find that some people marry way too soon, during the honeymoon period when an individual’s "representative" is still at work

These guys can be very charming and persuasive when it serves them. I am a strong, intelligent woman and I was taken in by one of these chumps for a time once. Once.

She wanted the money

@Col7777 Okay, that's genius and needs to be a on T-shirt!

@@wildcambium I’ve definitely been had but not to this extent, thank God! I was also younger too. As a grown woman, I’ve definitely learned my lesson and now know red flags and definitely take my time. I do not make the same decisions and choose the same type of men I once did. I also think that there are lots of women with limited experience in dating and may not know red flags or signs of an abuser. Unfortunately in these cases, experience is the best teacher, assuming you survive to make healthier decisions 😕. I also think emotional intelligence, good self esteem, good decision making, being self sufficient, being ok with being single and being willing to be patient and get to really know someone is key! I’ve known many women who ignore red flags, explain them away, rush into things (marrying someone or moving in with them only after several months for ex), etc. because they really want a relationship, marriage, kids, etc. A lot of times, we want what our friends have and rush our own timeline just to have those things. Nothing is wrong with wanting those things I might add, but they are huuuge decisions and not to be taken lightly. We have to choose head over heart many times because it’s our emotions and desperation that oftentimes get us in trouble as women. We have to listen to our intuition, our inner goddesses, and be wise.

He didn't age well. 🤮 🤮 🤮

Cheers to that friend 🍻

Agreed. Stay free, G. R 🍻 😎 🎲 🌠

I agree 100%! I think he had something to do with it but if I was on the jury, I don't think I would have been able to convict him with a clear conscience.

I was thinking the same

Completely agree, that's exactly what I suspect happened and I agree that the evidence just wasn't there to have convicted him of her murder "beyond a reasonable doubt".

He wld have roped in someone else to help. Probably someone who had a terminal illness or something tho, so he didn't have to pay them, & so they'd die and so wld the murder secret.That's a lot of life insurance money to bribe someone with, too.

You nailed it. He hired someone to kill his wife for the life insurance money. And it, of course, still wasn't enough. "If I could just win $3m lottery....." You see the line of thinking that led him to murder his wife.

Yes, me too. I hope the child is OK.

Right. I wish Milke had clarified ifJanets family was able to get custody of the little boy..

Abortions should be made mandatory