"sigh... what name do you file taxes under?" "batman.... alfred files bruce wayne's taxes." "wait... you pay taxes as batman?" "commit to the bit clark... commit to the bit."
@@christbenitez8797 Bruce Wayne is his alter ego. It’s not that the lasso didn’t work, but that Wonder Woman didn’t ask the right question. It must of puzzled Diana to no end.
My favorite moment is from Batman beyond when terry asks him why he didn’t believe the voices where coming from his head and batman tells him that in his mind he doesn’t call himself bruce he calls himself Batman and the voice called him Bruce
@PerkolatorTheTerminator og bro, but it's not like she Would really appreciate it anyways I heard her people hate men so pretty much feminist if you ask me, lmafo 😂 Edit: some of yall mf can't tell when somebody's kidding even with a laughing emoji lol but in case you don't know some feminists actually hate men that's why I said that
@@Ahrone1586around 0:18 mark. Hit pause, it's in a panel at the bottom. If you slide the "time toggle thing" around at the bottom and hold it/don't let go, it makes the water marks of the channel name, comments, likes, etc go away so you can read behind them.
"Are you okay?" "No, I saw my parents murdered right in front of me as a a kid. Who recovers from mental trauma like that. If I wasn't so useful keeping Gotham's supervilains in check, I'd be in Arkhame Asylum right next to them. And, frankly, that's where I belong. I need help, and the world uses my trauma as a hammer to beat down others that don't follow Society's rules."
@Segen_Bell "What therapist could I confide in? Sooner or later, I'll have to reveal that I'm Batman, or the therapist will connect the dots if they're not an idiot. And besides, if I'm not there to keep this Rogues Gallery in check, who would do it? Who else COULD do it?"
@@andrewdreasler428that’s why the made Black Canary the therapist for the Young Justice team, right? (Was it her? I forget. I know she helped train them and stuff but I’ve honestly forgotten 99% of that show)
@@FarothFuin nope, he just genuinely believes that to be he who he is, mostly because he doesn't really be himself whenever he's Bruce (at least in public) Superman answered both Clark Kent and Kal-El because he believes himself to be both.
@@DarthFedora considering there's a whole plethora of comics that show Bruce Wayne being Bruce Wayne ill agree to disagree. Best examples I could give you is Adam West batman or 2004 The Batman show.
I also like that scene in Batman Beyond, when Terry asks how he knew he wasn’t insane. Bruce replies, “The voice kept calling me Bruce. In my mind I don’t call myself Bruce.” “Well, what do you call yourself?” Terry asks. Bruce just glares and the Batman theme plays.
This just goes to show that it wasn’t only Thomas and Martha that died in the alley way: it was also young Bruce Wayne. Out of those deaths came out the new identity, for Bruce, that was Batman.
@@alexramos7708 this moment in the comic panel is a younger batman without the robins. so this idea still works. also i've stated "YOUNG" BRUCE not adult bruce or even bruce in general: it's about a specific characterization not a general idea. that 8 year old died that day, out came The Batman. the mission statement of the batman is not wanting any kid go through what he went through. it still works in that subtext too. without batman's mission, you wouldn't have the robins in the first place.
I prefer the JLA approach to thhe idea. Bruce isn't dead, he just never fully grew up. He can relate and understand Ace because they were both robbed of child innocence. When he was turned into a child again in JL, he was the only league member to act the same (WW was pretty much the same, but she was less reserved when showing her "appreciation" for Bruce). Bruce didn't die in the alley, he just never truly left it. Batman left crime alley in his stead, Batman wears the mask of what Bruce could have been if he got to grow up, Batman understands why Shazam can be a child but also be wise enough to be on the league, Batman is who Bruce is now.
Another fine example of the fact that Superman and Batman are so very different in several key aspects. Reminds me of a line from the 90s Superman TV series that had Dean Cain as Clark / Superman. He says to Lois at one point: "Superman is what I can do. Clark is who I am."
And its the saddest realization because in my mind bruce needs robin to make sure that never forgets that he is a man not a machine a that is only programmed to instill fear, but a human named bruce that has a family has needs others than just fear not just batman but as a man that needs to inspire people of gotham Edit Grammar checking 2nd Edit Grammar checking my grammar checking
I think that is Batman but this is early Batman before he was mentally healthy and had a family. The Batman we know and love has his Bat Family but also his best friend Superman. That Batman is Bruce Wayne but also Batman. This one being young and in the early years is just Batman. Sort of like Robert Pattinson is just Batman in the first film but as the series goes on I think Bruce Wayne will come to life. Also like The Brave and the Bold DCU Batman film he'll be Batman but also he's a father and that's human.
Batman can also be a sort of way for him to shed his trauma and his past though. Bruce Wayne was an orphan who lost his parents in a city with crime no amount of philanthropy was making a dent in. He had no one in his life other than his Butler. But then he becomes Batman, he is able to directly make a change to his city. He gets a son, and not just one but 3 more and a daughter. Grandpa Alfred is helping him out and making sure he always has a chicken soup for his cold. He falls in love with [insert ship here]. Bruce Wayne has a place in his heart. But Batman is when he started to live again.
@@mahiyatsafiyullah7103 That Batman is not Bruce Wayne. Batman is Batman as he tells his son in Batman Beyond. The current Beyond Comics diverge from the show bit Batman remains Batman right up to his Death where he states a modified version of the Old comics intro before he dies in his sons arms. I was Vengeance etc etc with a modification encouraging his son to be better then he was.
@@queenbee8045 maybe but Beyond was a TV series and the continuation of the DCAU. Comicbook Batman and modern Batman is different to that version. He didn't have a son back then and he wasn't as healthy as he was before this whole Zuhr Ren Au storyline. Read when Nightwing becomes the new leader of the DC Universe and Batman going I'm proud of you son that's Batman. He's a father figure to all his Robins and that means he is not just the Dark Knight he is more. Back then that aspect wasn't around but it is now.
@@mahiyatsafiyullah7103 The new beyond comics are not from the shows that’s why I mentioned the new comics that take place in a future of the main dc comic line. Just as beyond show was the future of the animated shows.
There is a comic where Bane and Batman go to see a magic guy but to enter they have to be their true self, Bane is asked to take the mask off (which for me is totally stupid, he literally is just Bane) but then Bane ask about Batman and the magic dude says “That’s his true self”
That's... not what's happening here. The lasso identified Batman's name as Batman because that's the name that belongs to him when he's being who he really is. WW and Clark both have lives as their real selves in their civilian faces. The Bruce Wayne we all know and love is a cover--a fake playboy whose secret identity is Batman.
@aaronimp4966 WW's real identity is Diana, princess of Themiscyra, not whatever her US citizen cover-up is. So your premise about her really, authentically and truly being a good American girl doesn't seem to be true.
The lasso is compelling the truth, but the truth is that Clark has lived comfortably in two worlds, while Batman has thrown himself entirely into the shadows. The lasso is compelling truth, but nothing so universal as an objective truth. Batman believes Bruce to be the mask, and so it is.
As traumatic and horrifying as that event was... Honestly he must've always been not okay or destined to be not okay, just born that way. He still did inevitably grow up in a privileged position with and incredibly supportive and caring parental figure of sorts. (Usually)
@@1stCallipostletrauma doesn't care about status or wealth. The reality is you are almost certainly more privileged than Batman was after that night and for years to come. Trust me as someone that lost a parent only about a minute from where they lived, it's not something that really even dulls like others, the constant reminders are unavoidable and burrow deep into you even if there was literally nothing you could do. I know rich people that lost a loved one under the same roof and even a decade later they still look broken and takes almost nothing to make them break down now... In fact in some ways it's worse. When you have wealth, you can financially afford to feed into the cycle of self misery, and the misery makes you want to... When you are poor, you might get to be off for a little while but eventually you have to work again and you are forced into not constantly feeding it. Bruce didn't just lose his parents... He didn't even have other family there for him... He had Alfred, one person to try to stop him from looking into the abyss endlessly and who couldn't. No cousins, no aunts or uncles, etc. He was largely left to look into the abyss and he even escaped from Alfred to do so multiple times... Because that's what pain does.
We've been getting hints at this fact forever, the most memorable for me are the time tells Robin to "put on their work uniforms" which then turns out to be Bruce and Dick. Or old Bruce telling Terry his subconscious calls him Batman. But this is definitely another good one.
It's honestly a good thing Bruce has Selina. She is able to see both sides of him, which could one day lead to him actually identifying as himself once he finally moves past his trauma and starts anew.
I don’t, as I much prefer the Justice League version. Batman already knew everyone’s secret identities and when Wally West as Flash says, “Wait but what about our identities?”, Bruce pulls off Flash’s mask and goes: “Wally West, Clark Kent, Bruce Wayne. Let’s go.” He was willing to just drop all that because earth was in danger.
I like how Superman gives both his Human and Kryptonian name, showing that he respects and identifies with both of his heritages. Compare that with Batman who only sees himself as the vigilante and not as the billionaire playboy philanthropist underneath.
It's why I think it would be cool when Blue Lantern rings are flying around during some cataclysmic event, Superman would get 2. One for being Clark Kent of Earth Sector 2814 who as Superman inspires the people of his adopted world to look up to the skies. Another for Kal-El of Krypton Sector 2813 who bears the weight of the final hopes of his lost world.
@@rubaiyat300Now, I may be mistaken here, but I'm pretty sure Blue Lanterns don't operate by sector the way Green Lanterns do, especially since the Blue Lanterns are so few in numbers and don't have any direct offensive capability.
Bruce died the same moment his parents died. Readers need to realize that Batman is his only identity and Bruce Wayne is his costume. The vow he made as a child was the true birth and beginning of Batman.
Or here me out here. We can also just accept that "Bruce died that day" was a late retcon done to the characters somewhere in the late 80s to early 90s and for almost the entire golden, silver and bronze ages of comic was Bruce Wayne very much a person. And that not every one has to like this "let's make it darker and grittier" retcon.
@@rynobehnke8289 Batman, in cave: “Where is the new villain I-Beam getting the steel for his weapons? I’ll ask around.” Cut to Bruce, playing tennis: “what’s going on with your building construction, J Howard Richboi?” JHB: “A lot of steel is missing! We’re behind schedule!” Bruce: “That sucks. I’ll tell Wayne Ironworks to increase shipments.” Cut to Batman in cave: “Now to link the stolen steel to I-Beam!”
@Babylonian-Cowboy i would argue that what died that day wasn't bruce, but the 8 year old bruce: what came out of that was The Batman. you know batman's whole mission statement of not wanting any kid go through what he did. without the death of his parents, bruce wouldn't make that mission statement in the first place and the new identity around it. this statement can work with the context of bruce being a father, son and a man.
This isn't accurate. Bruce Wayne is who he is, the same way Batman is. They're both different sides of one person that work side by side with each other. His personalities between both of those identities bleed into each other frequently, it's clear his intentions are genuine regardless of who he is presenting himself as.
From memory as well, in some comics storylines Bruce even sometimes uses self-hypnosis to make himself think his identity is Batman as an added level of protection against stuff like the Lasso
Both awesome and heart breaking. As a dad I could only imagine the sorrow his father would feel for his sons loss of nnocence. You get it or you don't.
Reminds me of that one episode of The Batman where Cluemaster has hostages and he will let them go if Batman can ask him one question he cant answer Batman asks "who is the real identiy of the Batman" and Cluemaster would have won if he just said Batman
"Yes father, I will BECOME a bat." Batman is a PROMISE that can only be fulfilled by BECOMING the promise. Bruce Wayne died the night Thomas and Martha did.
In reality bruce is showing who he real is as batman. Its sad because he doesnt really care for being rich beyond what it can do for gotham with him as batman. The sad truth is that he likely associates bruce wayne as a face he shows the world where batman is the man behind the mask
I always used to have the same thought that Bruce wayne the mask but I like to think and think that Bruce grows as character as he find himself and become more then batman when he took in dick Grayson and the other Robin's and the relationship he forms he discovers more of who he is like in the end of the batman where he become more then vengeance
Clark had a great assessment of his and Bruce's relationships to their hero identities. He said essentially "I love being Superman but hate that I have to be Superman. You hate being Batman but love that you have to be Batman".
@@KingInBlack69 that was a pun on a quote by Victor Hugo, author of Three Musketeers and so many other cape and sword stories. He said something like "he violated history, but they made beautiful creatures." It's a Teleological argument that grosso modo signifies that the end justifies the means; in his case not being true to historical events or characters for the sake of the story.
batman literally has made his brain truly believe that bruce wayne is his alter ego, he even took this to the extreme with the crazy purple orange batman (with a long weird name) that is batman that doesnt know hes bruce and doesn't have moral grey morals
This is definitely one of my favorite Batman moments. Batman is one of my favorite fictional characters and a big part of that is how twisted, messed up and traumatized his psyche is. He's fascinating.
actually it's a fun nod to something important If you believe something with all your heart in your head it will be true and thus the truth can be altered by a strong will. Batman believes himself to be batman so much that the lasso makes him reveal his truth.
I personally think that Batman just accept both his hero and civilians identity as two of his identity. When he took the mask off, he is Bruce Wayne but when he put the mask on, he is Batman. Both of his side are contribute to each other, without Bruce there's no Batman and if there's no Batman, Bruce is just a traumatized man.
I think this is young Batman you ask me modern Batman you know father figure of most the Robins is Bruce Wayne he's balanced in his own weird way this version is young and still too focused on Batman and not on how he can save the world as the Heir to the throne of the Wayne Enterprise.
I love this because it truly shows the symbolism of bats being part of Batman himself. Bats are normally seen as a symbol of fear but really they represent rebirth which fits perfectly as the day Bruce lost his parents was the day he was reborn as Batman. It’s just… perfect. 👌🏻
Oh that's making the rounds again, nice. Bruce Wayne dedicated his entire life to fighting crime before a bat flew through the window that night. The desire to protect every single innocent in Gotham from experiencing his trauma is the desire of Bruce Wayne. Bruce Wayne did not die in the alley that night or whatever the fuck, if there's no Bruce Wayne there is no Batman. Zur proves what Batman would be like if Bruce was simply a mask. Now of course "Brucie" playboy Wayne is a mask but the guy who tries to provide more job opportunities to cut back on crime, tries to rebuild and save the rundown towns that host places like crime alley, and funds places like Arkham Asylum is just as real as the vigilante who stops the criminals trying to break up another family through their violent actions. Bruce Wayne is going to identify with the latter cuz it's a more involved in the mission. He's always going to identify as Batman but the takeaway shouldn't be that there is no Wayne.
I'm talking about the Bruce Wayne during his private moments in the batcave, the Bruce Wayne that only Alfred and his sons are able to see. Go watch Kevin Conroy's performance after Gordon gets shot from the animated series. That is not vengeance or the night in that scene, it is the Bruce Wayne I'm talking about. Batman is one of the few characters in fiction to actually have three identities, not just two 👍
Yeah I miss the early seasons of BTAS where it comes out the gate with "I am vengeance and I am the night!" but also has him being a goof and friendly and actually smiling once in a while. To your other point, I think Clark Kent also and for similar reasons. Superman and bumbling Clark are his public personas, and the actual Clark Kent is the real one those he loves gets to see, though I like the elevation of Kal-El here as it highlights his orphan and immigrant roots that shouldn't be ignored. IE Superman is a synthesis of the best of where's from and where he found himself, couldn't be what he is without both. @@tjknight
My favorite is the New 52 Justice League 1-5. Where Hal Jordan thought that Batman was a vampire. Then later Barry Allen says “Wait! Batman doesn’t have powers? I thought he was a vampire”.
It’s also referenced in Batman Beyond, sort of. There’s an episode where someone is making old Bruce look crazy and he starts hearing “voices.” But he tells Terry he knew the voice was not his internal monologue because he doesn’t refer to himself as Bruce.
I've got a pencil and paper RPG for DC Heroes (two actually) and one thing i loved was on Batman's stats: the game states that a skill of 14 is among the best in a sector and Batman has a skill of acting of 12 with a specialty of "Bruce Wayne" at 14. It's an older RPG but even back then they knew Bruce died with his parents and he's Batman now.
I don't like the "Bruce is the mask" thing because it's not true. I think it rocks in Batman Beyond because there it makes sense (the Beyond Bruce has given up his whole Bruce Wayne life, including the people who were in it), but it has no place anywhere else. I just see this moment as Diana and Clark not truly, deep down, seeing themselves as "Wonder Woman" or "Superman." Those are titles that were given to them by other people. They accept them, with pride, but that's not what they would have called themselves. Bruce chose Batman. He chose to be "Batman." Therefore that's also who he really is. He is both Batman and Bruce Wayne. He just chooses to answer with one option of the truth, because it's still true.
I like Clark's being both his earth and Kryptonian name. It really shows how he honors both his heritage, and that Superman is just a culmination of both of those heritage and his values
Its amazing that... there is supose to be 3 face reveal but two of them are literally the same people always. And only really masked one bamboozled them.
