The Last Jedi - Why I Loved It 

Dovacraft I disagree with labeling Star Wars as any one thing. The original trilogy is definitely fantasy, the books read more as science fiction, Solo is a heist movie, Rogue One is a war story, and The Mandalorian is a western. The Star Wars universe is so detailed, it’s disingenuous to say “It’s X”. It can be anything.

@@freakyphil93 i agree with you, its just i haven't seen rouge one/solo/read the books bc i either haven't had the time or people saying how shit they are bc it not the origional triliogy

@@freakyphil93 Considering that George Lucas always intended Star Wars to be Science Fantasy and has openly said "It's not science fiction" then your point is mute

Cat Mun You should look into the concept of, “The death of the author.” Basically, the idea is an author’s intention is irrelevant when compared with what’s actually written. It’s kind of an unwieldy concept. As an example, let’s say I’m making you a meal. I say I’m going to make you a salad, but I give you two pieces of bread with melted cheese between them. You say, “this is grilled cheese.” And I say, “no, it’s a salad”. Did I give you salad or grilled cheese? Does my opinion as the creator get more weight? To bring it back to Star Wars, if you look at Solo, which is essentially a heist movie set in the Star Wars universe, does it become fantasy because George Lucas said so? Also, it’s moot point, not mute point. :)

OMG STAR WARS IS SCIENCE FANTASY HOLY CRAP I NEVER REALIZED ITS LIKE MAGIC IN SPACE THEY HAVE SPACE WIZARDS OHMYYGAWWWDDDD

Julio Aguilar hahha omg right

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The cannon just shows how much better of a storyteller Rian Johnson is over JJ Abrams

That's why TROS sucks, Grandpa Palpatine is old and boring

Ice Adonis grandpa Palpatine had kids in his hay day where everyone loved him and wanted to f him.

@GiRayne Looks like you and I saw a completely different movie. There is no progress in it, none at all. Resistance fleeing at the beginning, and at the end, only now reduced to a few people. No character arcs or development whatsoever and a Mary Sue Character to make it all happen. Men are what feminists want them to be: Either wild animals with no control or drooling idiots. I cannot find a single good thing about that movie.

GiRayne There's a blatant undercurrent of "men are the problem and women are the solution". Name one male character in TLJ that solves a problem. They are continuously portrayed as the trouble-makers, the impulsive, the dim-witted, the power-hungry, the quitters and so on. This movie gives all the flaws to men and all the qualities to women. And Rey, oh Rey! She's the Mary Sue of Mary Sues. Better with the force than Luke and Kylo, can pilot (and repair!) the Millennium Falcon better then Han, out-sword-fights Kylo, she never dispairs, never quits, and so on. She's better at everything than anyone else.

@@Kashban "There is no progress in it, none at all." Well that is not really true. The problem is that the progress happenes in a really strange way. Basically we spend hours watching the B-team doing silly stuff without any real consequence while world scatering events take place elsewhere. And we are occasionally informed about them. The presumably galaxy spanning republic falls in the beginning crawls. Without much explanation how that happened Making Snoke the effective ruler of the gallaxy. Only for him to be killed later because he was to dumb to pay attentition. The fall of the new repulic alone would be more than enough progress for an entire movie...sadly we do never get to see that do we?

@GiRayne Well said. What the frothing women-phobic comments about Rey miss completely is that Mary Sue is a concept that has been stripped of all meaning since it migrated onto the internet. It's used to the point of being a badge by people that don't like these films yet almost none of them understand what a trope is, what Mary Sue actually means, and why it has lost all meaning. Any reply to this mentioning her being perfect at everything? Well done, you just proved what I said hook, line and sinker. I'm guessing people just fell asleep when Rey crashed things, convinced herself that pressing a button on Han's ship would do something to help yet it actually nearly got them all killed, had a freakout, got paralysed with fear, got captured by Ren and then later nearly got killed by him? Guess they missed all that. But then what should we expect? You see the rhetoric everywhere. How dare they make the heroic characters female and black. You can see the seething hatred towards these people when they have no other reason to do so other than 'those heroes aren't white males like me'. Disgusting.

@@edgepixel8467 I can sort of agree that your first paragraph makes sense, though Rose isn't all that sensible, Finn actually was quite right about what he did, with the knowledge he had (and lack of trust in anyone but those he knew, as learned from experience), Kylo seemingly did the right things to gain power, even though we have to hope he is wrong in his worldview (and was beaten in the end by a Luke that re-ignited himself thanks to interactions with Rey and, male, Yoda), and whoever OK-ed the plan for that formation of super slow bombers (likely Leia) surely wasn't completely right, but desperate. The second paragraph though is mostly sour grapes to me - the explanation about 'balance of the force' (ie. bit in this video concerning snoke's remark) works to show why it can be so, as well as why Luke (Anakin too?) are so strong, w/o needing any 'Anakin was created by Darth Bane/Sidious from the force' explanations - Luke and Anakin were also very gifted with crafts, somehow, it being implied, by being strong in the force; and it was never shown Rey was better than Han with the Falcon (who by the way, if you'd watched Solo, is immediately greater than Lando with it, despite great difference in experience - but let's leave that one out of it for now ;) On the quitting - neither did Kylo, but yeah, Anakin and Luke do have a bit of that in them, which matches with what this video says about Luke, but that might be a family trait; for Rey so far, quitting has never been a realistic option, with her completely dependant on herself, so of course she doesn't consider it.

I'm just ignoring TROS entirely. TLJ was the last in the series, and that's it as far as I am concerned.

Unfortunatly yes

Honestly- I thought TROS was a fun movie. Not necessarily a good movie, and I may not retain my fondness for it like I have for TLJ- but it’s a fun movie.

@@picassodilly I agree. I kinda got some Doctor Who vibes from it- yeah, none of it made any sense but I loved it anyways.

@@n0wheregrrl agreed. Let us never speak of TROS again.

@The_Pot_Dragon Do you play Knight Of The Old Republic 2 : The Sith Lord? 2 of the main character cut themselves from The Force, Kreia and The Exile. Jedi can do that, it have been established. Force Bond also being established through the game, the first one. it is clear that Rian Johnson do play both series. The game released in 2004, before Disney bought Lucasfilm.

@The_Pot_Dragon Luke become like he is in TLJ because of TFA, what can be done to answer "Why Luke is alone on the island while the galaxy suffering, his friend dead, and his sister busy fighting an evil military?". There are very limited choices and every one of it will not make sense. Luke can't be a hero the same time abandon his friend, family and the galaxy. The blame should be on JJ Abram, not Rian Johnson. So the most logical excuse is like what we see in TLJ. I don't say I like it, but what else is there that make sense?

@The_Pot_Dragon I don't like those scenes too, without them it still be ok. Rian could make Luke just give the saber back to Rey if he really don't want to have anything to do with Jedi anymore and all about Kylo are only in dialogues not flashback sequence, it will be different. You see that's the flaw of TLJ editing. Rian could make Luke tell his story, Kylo tell his story, and viewers decide who's lying. Those flashbacks are waste of run time that could be replaced with Luke's 3rd lesson scene in which interesting but got deleted for no reason.

@The_Pot_Dragon Cutting yourself off from the Force is something that has popped up in lots of Star Wars stories. It's usually described as instead of opening yourself up to the Force as the Jedi/Sith or even just curious Force sensitive children like young Anakin often do, you push it down and silence it. It's a perfectly functional plot element, with previous precedent in the canon.

@The_Pot_Dragon Just to share a different perspective, I actually thought what Rian did with Luke made a lot of sense based on the resolution of the OT. His arc was one of the highlights of the movie for me. I was very young when I first saw ROJ but when I really started to think about it, before the prequels came out, I realized Luke left the throne room doomed to fall based on Yoda’s quote from Empire. “Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny.” That makes the dark side sound like a very powerful drug, the type that is addictive from the first use, (even though real drugs don’t work like that.) So, once he embraced the dark side to fight, and almost kill, Vader, he’d spend the rest of his existence resisting it’s calls. Having a moment of weakness against such a seductive and consuming all powerful evil is hardly surprising, particularly in a moment of crisis. (It’s like an alcoholic having a bad day and pouring a glass of whiskey.) Remember, he just found out that his nephew is going to lead the new Empire and murder who knows how many innocent people. That didn't have to be the thing, but there was going to be a thing, well more than one. It’s the exact same break Mace Windu had in ROS when he was going to kill Sheev instead of holding him for trial. Maybe given another 10 seconds Mace would have thought better of it. (Probably not.) Certainly, Luke thought better of it almost instantly. Deciding to shut himself off from the world after that makes perfect sense and is a sign of this remorse. He can’t trust himself anymore, and by extension, he can’t trust the Jedi or even the force itself. He has to relearn that trust. It has to be restored, and through the course of the movie, it is. Basically, Luke took a deep spiritual wound at the end of ROJ, and after a time, it brought him down. Ultimately, with the guidance of his old mentor Yoda, he lifted himself back up and performed a final sacrificial act to die a hero. But yeah, even ignoring the corner Rian was in after TFA, and there were a lot of them, everything with Luke in TLJ jives with what we’ve seen in the movies leading up to it.

@callmecatalyst even george lucas and mark hamil disliked what they did to star wars, you calling them inane aswell. george litterly wrote star wars, if the creator says that they ruined it, then it is completely ruined, no argument. people just don't like to be treated like an ATM where disney can draw out money from you, and scam you by preying on your nostalgia.

@Lonnie Dunn most of the fan base love the prequels, so I don't know what your talking about. It's just the old boomers, that hated the prequels, and they've grown up now.

@@ramonsmith3706 Luke in exile wasn't Rian Johnson's idea for the sequels. It wasn't JJ Abrams's, either. It was George Lucas's. And Lucas has done a pretty decent job keeping his thoughts about the sequels to himself. But the movie he's commented on publicly the most was The Force Awakens. His main critique? That that movie wasn't original enough. That it recycled too much of what had come before. That is the correct critique of TFA, if you're inclined to critique it. TFA is an exceptionally executed movie that is very fun and easy to watch. It is also a beat-for-beat New Hope rehash bordering on a straight-up Copy and Paste job. I didn't hold that against the movie at the time. I looked at it as a sort of palate cleanser from the prequels. A mission statement from Disney, of sorts, that, "We get it. We get what you liked about the OT. We get what you didn't like about the PT. We're telling a familiar story as a way of passing this story and this universe down to these new characters, and you're in good hands here." I believe there was value in demonstrating that you're capable of making a good, if completely unoriginal, Star Wars movie. But not all Star Wars movies can be just slightly modified versions of the Original Trilogy. Not just because seeing the exact same story unfold over and over is boring, but also because two out of the three movies in the original trilogy are unqualified cinematic masterpieces and all three have the benefit of decades of nostalgia skewing our perspective. Rehashes will inevitably disappoint. The next movie needed to take a turn. And it did. You can disagree with some of the choices that were made, but one of the things I really like and respect about The Last Jedi, is that at least it did make choices. It took some shots. It didn't just jangle the Star Wars keys in front of our faces, saying, "Hey, remember that guy/thing? He/it was in a movie that you really like that came out 40 years ago. Now you get to see him/it again. Neat!", It was the only movie in the sequel trilogy to reject that sort of overt pandering, and it's probably the most intensely disliked movie in the entire series. All of which is to say that each next Star Wars movie can't just be an artistically bankrupt exercise in circling back to everything and everyone we liked about the movies that came before. It can only matter going forward if it's actually given room to grow. I am not telling you that you are wrong for not liking TLJ or the sequels writ large. You like what you like and you don't like what you don't like and that's fine. But ... I would like to suggest that you take it down a notch. Perhaps if you see a Star Wars movie and you don't like it, "Didn't like it. Hope I like the next one" would be a better, healthier attitude than this odd insistence that things are being "ruined" or that a corporation is "treating you like an ATM and scamming you by preying on your nostalgia." I would guess that no one has ever forced you to see any of these movies, and you can dislike TLJ and still have very warm feelings about the original trilogy and all of the Star Wars things that you do like. I know, because that's how I feel about TRoS. There are going to be good Star Wars movies, and there are going to be bad Star Wars movies, because no franchise bats 1.000. It would be nice for fans if the discourse around them wasn't quite so radioactive.

@@frams12 hey I'm just expressing my discontent with the last Jedi. That there was a good reason why most of the fans didn't like it. You can enjoy it, if you it's your thing It dosent affect my life. Personally I like some movies that are considered bad, there is nothing wrong with it. My problem isn't so much the movie, but lucasfilm and how they tried to shift the blame off themselves and calling anyone who complained about it "man babies" 😂. I thought rise of Skywalker was a bad movie, yet i can see that the studios were at least trying to do something better.

@@ramonsmith3706 hey, that’s perfectly reasonable, and I can’t speak on behalf of lucasfilm, but I’d just like you to know that when I (and I think most people who like the movie) criticize some of the detractors, we don’t really attack fans like you who are cool about it; but rather the ones who unrelentingly hate on the cast, the crew, and practically everyone who may even be indifferent to the movie, in the most obnoxious way possible…even though I do recognize that these guys are just a really tiny fraction of the detractors, I feel that they need to be called out.

I was 12 when I saw Star Wars in the theater in 77 and I loved it. I still do. Now, I'm not saying that the prequels ruined Star Wars, but they were indeed terrible (except for the amazing Ian McDiarmid), as was The Last Jedi. I will say that most of the moments with Mark Hamill were brilliant (save for the saber throwing and moof milking), however these weren't enough to save this film. It was such a disappointment after the promise of Force Awakens, which I enjoyed. I think that the fans are somewhat justified in their criticisms. There has been some dreadful storytelling in the Star Wars universe. I understand the need to develop characters, however, there has been a tremendous effort on the part of the producers to over explain, to connect disparate characters in outlandish ways, to retcon existing story elements and backpedal with some bs about "points of view," to develop backstories that we didn't need, to "surprise" us with ridiculous familial relationships, to over appeal to children (sooo many muppets), and so forth. That being said, I LOVED Rogue One and hoped it would be a precursor to what was in the future for Star Wars. Rogue One may be my number 2 SW film after the original, or perhaps it's tied with Empire for 2nd, I'm not sure. I'm still not over that whole "I am your father" thing... What's more, Solo, although completely unnecessary, was pretty good too. In fact, they could have replaced Han Solo with any misunderstood, ambitious-but-disadvantaged kid and started a whole new trilogy right there. In contrast, Last Jedi just seemed like a long list of scenes whose only purpose was to intentionally present the complete opposite of what an audience's expectations might be. "It's Luke Skywalker! What amazing thing is he going to say to Rey?? Oh. He threw the lightsaber away. hmm..." "I be that Rey is Luke's daughter! There were so many clues! Oh. She's the daughter of alcoholics..." "Who is Snoke and what's his whole evil plan? Oh. They just unceremoniously cut him in half..." The only thing that the producers owe the audience is a well thought out, well written, and well constructed story. The Last Jedi simply did not have it. Now we can look forward to The Rise of Skywalker getting it's Retcon Machine up and running...

@@VanDanmark You say: "I was 12 when I saw Star Wars in the theater in 77 and I loved it. I still do." I say: Same here. I came from a broken and dysfunctional home and experienced an awkward and lonely adolescence. The "original trilogy" was a welcomed escape from reality. Fortunately for me, my life is much better now that I'm older (and wiser?). Still, after all these years, I maintain an interest in what continues to be done with the Star Wars message and mythology; not just for my feelings of nostalgia, but also because I think that the original trilogy were really fine movies. You say: "Now, I'm not saying that the prequels ruined Star Wars, but they were indeed terrible..." I say: I like the prequels just for the history of how Palpatine the Emperor of the Universe; how did Anakin become Vader; how did the the clone army come about, how did the Jedi die out, and so forth. You say: "Last Jedi just seemed like a long list of scenes whose only purpose was to intentionally present the complete opposite of what an audience's expectations might be." I say: It seemed to me that after "Force Awakens" was criticized for recycling too much from the originals, that fandom had demanded, in a way, that the next movie do things differently. So , again, we got what we wanted and then we complained that it was a betrayal to the originals. You say: "Rogue One may be my number 2 SW film after the original, or perhaps it's tied with Empire for 2nd, I'm not sure." I say: When I saw "Rogue One" in the theater I was with my family. At the time, my kids liked it and I didn't. When I watched "Rogue" a year or two later on TV, I liked it more than I remembered liking it the first time around. As for "Solo", I found it entertaining but not memorable. Unless you count the "Holiday Special" (which as an old-timer, like me, you probably remember watching the one and only TV broadcast), I'd say "Solo" was the weakest link, not because it was a bad movie, but because it doesn't seem to even warrant much commentary by fandom. At least, "Last Jedi" was interesting enough that people are talking about, A LOT.

Thank you

Boston Charlie make way we’ve got a hero with us my man

It seems every star wars trilogy brings something new to the table. That's why there's so much backlash. Every trilogy is advertised with "you love star wars? Then here is more of the same!" When it actually should have been "you thought you knew star wars? Here is an all new star wars story completely different, but just as great!". The first trilogy is mostly about good vs evil, with simple but effective storytelling using "the heroes journey". The prequals are about how evil comes into power and why the Jedi failed, with a remix of "the heroes journey". The new trilogy seems to be about something new, maybe about the complex small differences between good and evil, learning from your mistakes and learning the world isn't as black and white as you thought it was, with "the heroes journey deconstructed and subverted to create an unexpected story". Maybe that's why most star wars fans think of the new movies as unsatisfying and strange.

Noobplayz you are so right

Seriously, I didn't find one single person who is being respectful. Actually, there are people who are trying to mask themselves as "civilian people", saying that liking something doesn't make it good. That's the dumbest argument I have ever seen. I not only like TLJ, but I think that it's a good movie. And then another guy comes and say that he is so civilian that he is right and knows that liking something doesn't mean it's good? These people really need to fuck themselves

Enzo Saraiva Liking something doesn’t make it good is a pretty fair argument. I mean, does liking things like the Room and the Holiday special mean their good? Maybe on a subjective level since there are people who think their so bad that their good and entertaining. But when it comes to actual writing, well that’s kinda the root of these TLJ discussions, aren’t they?

Austin Johnsen it is a good movie period

PS4 Gaming So you’re not someone who thinks art is subjective then?

I felt thousands of nerds cry out in anger and then there was typing

Dude. I see you everywhere

@@konnosx1213 Rian?

@@805Franco Shit they found me!

Several of his arguments are just "idc". I can see why people would be angry

I really appreciate that you gave his ideas and opinions a chance without jumping down his throat. We definitely need to get back to that, because my perception has been a very vocal group hating on it and yelling about "SJWs" and all that

Yeah, but calling things subjective doesn't equate to a good explanation

Coming from the Aldmeri Dominion, that's high praise. And I'm in agreement with this, he's at least given an actual 'Sit down and discuss with a thought out arguement'. Had shit like this happened with Rian and a lot of other people, this entire sequel wouldn't be as a total shitstorm as it is now. Albeit it'll always be regarded as the Runt of the Litter no matter what, but it'd at least have better acknowledgement almost to the same pitying level as the prequels had been treated, its there and its not the most loved child amongst the three but it's there.

Well commented. It is always nice to find a person who makes great content that, while you don't agree, you can respect one way or the other. I found a channel a while back that does videos about why certain channels have gone down hill despite still being popular. Personally, I find its points heavily valid. While I disagree with a lot, I ended up subscribing just to hear what he has to say. even if I don't agree, a good person makes for a good person.

First, good job keeping things balanced. You looked at the film without blinders and were able to see problems while still holding your positive subjective opinion. That said, I think you're missing alot of problems. Instead of going over them here I'll just direct you to MauLer's TLJ 3 part critique (about 5 hours total). For you or anyone who liked this video and still hasn't seen MauLer's videos, they're similar this video only longer and negative of TLJ. If you want to hear an opinion from the otherside who is able to articulate their points, who can criticize and praise a film, then go check it out.

H E R O rogue one kinda sucks

​@@beneadie7147 it really doesn't unless you was expecting a lightsaber fight.

@@beneadie7147 kind of, but liking TLJ and hating the RO is like not liking cancer but go to the beach without sun protector

H E R O no i wasn’t

@@pokeman3804 Actually, I also think Rogue One was not that good :-) It had some nice moments for an old SW fan, but in overall... Subjectively, of course.

I can't be the only one who said it in his voice to mace windu 😂😂

@@aidangriffiths5075 Mace Windu: Feel the Force flowing through you, Rey.

Lmao bro Star Wars fanboys were so angry at this movie. Then rise of sky walker came out lololololol. People were trying to say that rian Johnson was a hack who doesn’t understand storytelling or film. Which makes me laugh bc what made Star Wars so great was that the themes were simple and it was super innovative in terms of technical filmmaking. But from a writing perspective it’s not complex or relativity deep just a solid story about good and evil. Lots of Star Wars fans rub me as sci fi noobs like you guys know Star Wars stole a bunch of shit from dune and dumbed it down which honestly made it better bc dune is super complicated and unforgiving.

@@gnarrcan108 Rian Johnson ruined Episode IX, which could have been so much better had JJ directed Episode VIII. It's all Rian Johnson's fault! He destroyed what fans wanted to see! He's jealous! He's holding the sequels back!

Then why are you here? Cause if it's just to hear his opinions... Keep 'er going then.

"I disapprove of what you say, but -I will defend to the death your right to say it- you said it so well that I have to respect you."

All his points? But did he make you question some of your assumptions about the film? I liked the film! But I usually like art that takes me out of my comfort zone. But yes, The Last Jedi is subversive to the minimal details.

I agree with most of his points.... about TLJ. Where he loses me... Rogue One was a great movie and the best of the Disney-era films.

Most of the points but yea

"Embrace the fantasy or just stop watching Star Wars." There's definitely science fiction in it but it is, first and foremost, a science fantasy. Seriously though, Clone Wars has an entire plotline centered around witches and old-school voodoo zombies, straight up fantasy.

Even fantasy has rules. Would it have helped or hindered the story if Gandalf single handedly curbstomped the Mordor army at the siege of Minas Tirith in an epic slowmo display of magic power, even though he never did anything like that before when it might have been very useful? I'm not saying the light speed ram is as egregious as that would have been, but it's the same kind of mistake.

AnJiMo Casera exactly. It’s a movie about a farm boy taking up him fathers sword and learning from an old wizard to beat the evil emperor and his black knight. I mean cmon, it’s a medieval fantasy placed in a different universe

@Funk O'Matic Midichlorians made it into science fiction.

@Funk O'Matic Yeah, it was stupid. But you can't just retcon you way out of every bad decision.

We're shown one book stuffed in a drawer, not the whole thing, dozens of books full of incredibly sacred million year old knowledge was still lost, just cuz. Also, when did she pawn that without Luke noticing or sensing her intentions? Also, why did she even do that in the first place? She didn't know Yoda was gonna torch everything. And she certainly wouldn't be able to read, or even understand the books without Luke's help.

@Noiseless Sounds Oh shit, my bad, I must've missed that message in the movies. Oh wait, I missed it because *that's literally just your headcanon* and nothing in any of the movies supports what you're saying. You pulled that out of your ass when the fact is that Rey is just better at the force than Luke and literal Star Wars Jesus Anakin, for *no in-story reason*

@Noiseless Sounds No books needed for Mar(e)y sue

@Noiseless Sounds ik that luke had nearly no training in episode 4 but that showed in episode 5 when he lost against vader . Rey had no training at all but deafeatet the new villain easy and in episode 8 nothing changed. A character needs weaknesses to be a good character but rey has non that's the problem because you'll know that she won't loose in the future

@Noiseless Sounds just ignore the dumb virgins they used to hate the prequels now they worship it like dogs maybe they will love this one in many years if there are new star wars film or they will stay angry mgtows

You mean your life can't be filled with shitting on people who have bad taste? :D

@@The_Gallowglass If it does, you have issues.

@@Gemnist98 Everyone has issues.

@@The_Gallowglass True, but not always involving your purpose in life being to shit on other people.

says the youtube commenter

Christopher Wood Ahmed Best (the actor who played Jar Jar) blames the media for what happened to him, not the fans. He never once said that toxic fans drove him to contemplate suicide.

Aww! A nice fan who didn't like this movie! I was worried they were going extinct! Thanks for being respectful.

Yhe if you hassan the SJWs directors you just give them more reasons to complain

the cast and crew, correct. I have said many shitty things to rian johnson on twitter and he fully has it coming

@@ryanbarth6691 Wdym mate? Rian and many of the top people at Lucasfilm are/were slinging shit at the fanbase and we hit back. What's the problem, if they were calling all our criticism invalid and calling us alt right manbabies for not liking what they are producing then they deserve the backlash from their actions.

And also I think people forget that planets have gravitational pull

THANK YOU!!!

@@itzspoons827 Not quite how that works. If you drop an object from something in orbit, it takes potentially months to reach the surface, and that's just from objects dropped off the relatively low ISS. Remember, planets aren't sitting still. They may look it, but dropping a bomb into space with only a second or three of gravity to propel it is nothing compared to how fast planets move. So either it falls painfully slowly as it's in orbit and is only useful near a planet, or, it misses because 9.8m/s is insanely slow in space. This only makes sense if they're in orbit, and if they are it isn't gonna do much to counteract the insane speeds involved with orbit. You can't throw an apple at earth and expect it to go down quickly, your puny human arm is nothing to orbital velocity. I believe the lore says that it's launched via magnetic rails but it still seems really slow, it should be easy to launch them much faster with those. All in all, it isn't hard to make a better bomber. Just take the magnetic rails, stick them on a mounted turret, and shoot the bombs at the enemy. Why bother with gravity? It's a terrible idea. We don't use gravity to blow things up anymore for good reason. That said, it's all space magic anyways. I think the design is silly regardless.

tlozfreak888 Saw the first paragraph of your comment. Couldn’t be arsed to read the rest. But not sure if u knew but planets have different gravitational pulls

@@itzspoons827 They do, yes, but as gravity is an inverse proportion to the square of distance you'd need a large difference in gravity in order for it to change much from a large distance. As we saw people running around normally, you'd have to come up with a good excuse as to how it's actually got a larger gravitational pull. They don't just magically have larger areas of effect. Their area of effect depends on their mass, which determines how strong the gravity is. This being a sci-fi series, all planets tend to have pretty much identical gravity because it's simpler that way. Much easier to film.

thank you for this. some one actually took physics class in highschool. besides, the bombs were sort of pushed down, providing the initial acceleration to bomb moving towards the dreadnaut.

linear motion (which is what the bombs follow on) needs an external force applied to the objects centre of mass in order for it to move, hence why gravity moves bombs downwards on earth. There is no gravity in space, hence the bombs cannot naturally drop. The bombs weren't 'pushed down' if they were they'd just float aimlessly in space not moving. So you're saying that because ships have artificial gravity, it also measn they have their own artificial gravity field that the bombs would 'naturally fall to'? ummm i dont think so. Also physics cannot be applied practically to this film. Turbolaser beams now 'curve' in space? Why? There is no resistance in space for them to have to horizontally fire across, they should go straight like bullets. Also when the medical frigate runs out of fuel (also hilarious) it falls backwards? Again why, there is no resistance in space to be pushing the ship backwards, it should stay stationary. Honestly this film is hilarious

Oli Lea bruh you said there’s no gravity in space and you clearly don’t grasp the concept of inertia or momentum, what’s hilarious is that you think your argument is valid

@@dachshund_gaming I don't see the purpose of your comment. I did say there is no gravity in space yes.... because there is none so what were you trying to say? And I literally just applied Newton's law of Inertia in my first sentence in the previous comment, so clearly I do have a concept of how they apply in atmosphere and I certainly know when they don't apply in an endless vacuum that is space. The bombers cannot possibly just 'let go' of the bombs and expect them to fall downwards, because there is no (wait for it......) GRAVITY. For Newton's First Law of Inertia to apply here there would need to be a person physically pushing the bombs in the direction they want to go for them to move anywhere.Then because there is no resistance in a vacuum, the bombs would almost endlessly continue to float in the direction they were pushed. But the big plot hole here is that there the bombs were not moved at all, they just opened a door and pushed a button, bombs don't drop like that in space. That's like holding a ball above you, letting go and expecting it to fly sideways. That's because there was no force applied in that direction. This film makes no sense. Don't get me started on 'Hyperspace as a weapon' bullshit.

Oli Lea Paige is seen falling in the very same scene, there’s clearly artificial gravity within the bomber, and there’s clearly some sort of unseen threshold on the bottom that is allowing her and everyone who was on board to breathe. Jesus Christ

That’s great! -a tlj fan

I'm sorry to hear that you didn't like it, but your opinion is completely valid!

@@help-pj2ep Why would you be sorry for them?

@@VladDascaliuc because it is a shame that he couldn't enjoy the movie that closed Luke's character, had Carrie's last performance, etc?

@@obi-twokenobi4861 And why should they enjoy that despite it being poorly executed? It is not a shame a shame that someone didn't like it, it is a shame that it was made terrible.

You should watch “everything great about Star Wars the last Jedi” by cinema wins

@@mrpenguins9101 I watched that too. It was an amazing analysis. I am glad that there are people out there who recognise the depth of The Last Jedi and appreciate what Rian Johnson was doing.

I actually went to college and was conducted by the musician who played the Steel Drum in that sequence. That score was awesome and probably my second favorite in this trilogy.

@@mrpenguins9101 I stopped taking Cinemawins seriously when they decided to give wins for misdirection

@@jinghengchia2201 there is no "depth" this was a social justice warrior movie full of nonsense and false messages

Also, wouldn't the dreadnought itself have it's own gravitational pull? Nothing compared to a planet of course, but still, an object that size... And maybe the artificial gravity from inside the ship itself would extend beyond its hull, we don't really know how that works

SomethingLame ; I see your point and it makes some sense. However, what I see is that the ships are constructed terribly and disprove your point. The ships would have artificial gravity (we have seen that) but what is not shown is the separation between art. grav and space. In other movies and shows, there was some field/shield to pressurize the ship. IE, when rose’s sister falls down, and the doors to drop the bombs are open, she should be dead instantly. Also, the lack of the shield means that there needs to be an equalization of space “air” and ship “air” (like in that 4th aliens movie with the ripley clone). Everything would be sucked out but without momentum. I also believe that the bombs, being dropped the way it was, did not have enough momentum either. They we dropped, not pushed. I understand that arguing gets me nowhere but I love Star Wars and I just thought that this movie, and solo, did it injustice.

Louis Knudsen; I understand your point as well, and it does make sense that the more mass something has, the more likely it will have a gravitational pull. However, I don’t know why there would be some form of gravitational pull outside of the ship artificially. There would be no purpose for it. If the ship needed cleaning for some weird reason, they would send droids with jet packs, or maintenance workers with tethers or magnetic boots. As to natural gravity, I doubt it would be strong enough to pull small bombs towards it, even though they are in the general vicinity of the ship.

@@realmvision21_58 I just meant as a kind of "side effect" of the ship's artificial gravity. Also, I think we've seen this kind of thing before in the form of R2-units performing repairs on the ship from the outside, while it's in space

@@realmvision21_58 momentum doesn't require a push. Drop something off a building. It'll fall. You don't need to throw it down. You're best point, which is a good one, speaks to whether the bombs would be "sucked out" rather than simply falling. I beleive they wouldn't, because that would require a sudden breach in the ship's compartmentalized area, if it had one, versus and immediate transition from gravity to the vacuum of space. I believe there would likely be no compartmentalized space between the ship as space (as seen in real life and other sci-fi), because Star Wars shields uniquely appear to function at a level at the very base of the outer layer of the ship (most of the time; some ships appear to be designed differently). My evidence for this is the electrical waves in the original and prequel trilogies that are sent through the ships and appear only the ships sruface. Because of this, I imagine the artificial gravity extends to the very edge of the ship, then suddenly cuts off, without any transitionary vacuum space to redirect the direction of the matter already in movemen. The "sucking into space" thing only occurs when there is one (or several) area(s) exposed to the vacuum of space and one that is not. The strongest force will win out. Obviously, the vacuum of space is stronger than Earth's gravity or some artificial approximation of it, but if you move immediately from one to the other, there will be no noticeable change.

Cheesus Crust wait what

If people don't get the character of rose they are stupid..

@@franchisefanatic4142 I mean, it is really easy to understand she is a bad character.

@@OdenKeiz sorry to say you are wrong but i can back my proof up.

@Jack Handy So are you saying all Star Wars content that came out after the original trilogy is bad including comics,games and TV shows?

Perfect comment(;

It makes me happy to see people who have different opinions respect each other in this day and age.

I loved the movie but liked your comment anyway, because damn, it feels good to have someone here who has a different opinion and is civil about it.

@@hansolol4863 What's interesting is I often don't understand how people don't like the movie and the reasons usually make no sense to me. I guess it just shows how divisive this movie really is.

@@hansolol4863 Pretty bold statements. To me Star Wars has always been just silly adventure movies. Whenever I go to watch a Star Wars movie I'm not expecting some life changing cinematic masterpiece, because that's not what I ever got, even with the OG trilogy. I'm just looking for a good time and that's exactly what I got with TLJ. Now if you didn't enjoy the movie that is fine. Not every film can click with everyone(I didn't really enjoy Rogue One or The Prequels).

Sean Wilcock at least you admit there’s something about it you like, instead of others who claim there’s nothing good about it without backing their claims.

Agreed. A bunch of beautiful diamonds and opals on the big screen.

You mean one fucking scene - not even a scene, it was actually a 1 second shot

same

Imo the cinematography and the arc between Luke Kylo and Rey far make up for any wrongs this movie may have made

Right? I liked Force Awakens, but I didn't leave theatres feeling very excited for the next movie as it felt like it was going to follow predictable story beats. But would you know it, I came out feeling incredibly pumped after Last Jedi because it forced the story to go in a more original and thoughtful direction, and now I'm devastated seeing ROS throw all that out the window. It would've been great if Rian Johnson had finished the trilogy.

May i ask what u liked aboit rise of skywalker?

@@elliemoon88 I didnt like TLJ but not because of the reasons people talk about, the biggest mistake it made for me is that it ended like it was ending the entire trilogy. Like, Luke is dead, the main villain is dead, broom boi has hope, The End. Theres no more story to tell. If thats how episode 9 went it would have made sense. I didnt mind Luke dying but Snoke dying kind of made it feel like "oh were done... right?" Thats why Palpatine comes out of nowhere because they couldnt think of anything good fast enough for the plot

Rafa I felt like Snokes death just let Kylo take his place as the real villain of the trilogy. He played his role as the evil grandmaster, but just like palpating in the OT, he’s just the ultimate evil for the more interesting conflicted villain to play off of. Vader isn’t nearly as interesting without Palpatine to compare to, and the same can be said of Kylo. Snoke played his purpose, so get rid of him and make sure everyone knows who the real enemy is

@@Howl14 what would have been wrong with Kylo being the villain? He didn't NEED a redemption after all

Christopher Brickwedde If you think the hate for Disney Star Wars is “completely political”, or that everyone who disagrees with you is an “angry zealot”, then you really ought to read more. Or hell, spend some more time here on RU-vid. 🙄 🤦🏻‍♂️

Christopher Brickwedde great rebuttals. Really enjoyed reading your thoughts and I personally agree and love how this movie takes a step back and pretty much deconstructs previous Star Wars movies and brings their flaws to the fore front as them being failures

@@thequietlion3553 The people I'm referring to as angry zealots are people that behaved that way. Childish insults do not enhance an argument and having your friends contribute to the conversation in the same manner is not how you debate something. I'll step back and say that "completely political" is an overstep on my part, but I will say that majority of it is. There is this notion that Disney Star Wars is aspiring to be this beacon for liberal social views. I am usually pretty sensitive to that sort of stuff and usually its pretty evident when there is pandering in a movie. There are several arguments made that are supposed to support this view and all of them are pretty big stretches. If all of that was true, and let's say that it is, why is the entire third act male dominant? If you personally have gripes with the film, that's perfectly fine by me, not that you need my permission. I personally have a hatred towards of Attack of the Clones because I think its an awful movie, but I don't try to back that hatred up with a bunch of false claims. I just say that I hate that movie and if asked, I tell people why. I don't try to pretend the movie has a non-existent agenda in the process. I personally think The Last Jedi is one of the better Star Wars movie and it is because they did something different with it. You can dislike it on those same terms and that's alright.

@@BestWafflesEUW Thanks...I actually had to read this twice before I actually believed what I was reading. It's rare to see anyone praise your rebuttals on a movie that most people hate.

@@chrisstone-streetlightinte5629 The lightspeed moment looked amazing, but it being possible at all is questionable considering how powerful it'd be to use that as a weapon. Also Holdo could've just used it the moment the escape ship were off the board since her plan was suicidal anyway. That's kind what makes this awesome looking scene questionable in terms of the story. And the political stuff just seems like a lot of pandering with no substance especially coming from a coorporation using fake feminism to sell toys of an "empowered woman" (who isn't actually shown to have earned her rank, or do anything impactful to the story)

Kylo is a weak and non threatening villain. He's like a student. Han and Luke are weak heroes. Too much weakness. I like strong villains and heroes, even though they have to struggle and develop. It's not a documentary, but an adventure. Rey, Poe and Rose lacks charisma. Finn is comedic and had potential which wasn't utilised. General Holdo is a catastrophy, so ridiculous, pompous and lacking leadership qualities. Visuals were great.

You're right!

It would be a good thematic through line if Kylo continues to struggle with his past actions despite having all the power he's ever wanted. He's trying to kill the past, which is exactly what will keep him from being able to move past it. Also for the first time in his life he's not going to have anyone to guide/manipulate him and will have to figure shit out for himself. If Rian Johnson had written Episode IX I imagine it would go in that direction but idk what JJ Abrams will do with him.

kai mills agreed 100%!

kai mills This is a pure and cancer free environment

@Bill The Bull Gates You did say a guy was a waste of life for liking it, so if it is cancer, you're making it that way.

@Bill The Bull Gates Man you're sad.

That should say SWJW - Star Wars Justice Warriors

Theres definitely good things in this film that a lot of hacks will try to attack with no good reason, but there are a lot of dumb things you cant really deny as well.

@@Howl14 There are DUMB DUMB things about the Original Trilogy. It's Star Wars.

@@greatwesternsky Yes, but not as many as TLJ has

As much as I hate the sequels, keep enjoying it! Im happy to see you enjoyed something i didnt like, i hugely respect your opinion

There are plenty of people who enjoyed it: Film Joy, Loverboy Media, Cosmonaut, Just Write, Jenny Nicholson, Shaun, Lessons from the screenplay, Make stuff, that guy from TLJ guide, and much more!

family guy did that parody better

Get ready to suck some Dack

Themexicansnob there is no C

Ah, Dak’s dead.

Yes, I also agree with this. I'm just glad that there ARE people that liked/loved the movie. (Uh-oh, I think I just pivoted the haters attention to this comment now...PREPARE YOURSELF!)

@@pikminmaster2165 lol this comment is the perfect example of tlj lovers who seem to revel in disagreeing with people rather than just talking about why they like the movie

@@turtlemanist Your comment is not needed either.

@@pikminmaster2165 ?

@@RedRiotGamez Because a lot of people very much did not like this movie. It is, after all, essentially the movie that split the fanbase in half.

@@RedRiotGamez And many others did too. Problem is that equally many if not more absolutely hated it. Personally I’m indifferent.

the force is not fire, it is poison.

the shonen escalation video is fucking incredible

How is it incredible? That's like the most basic thing you could say about shonen anime.

Couldn't agree more larry

Shonen Escalation is missing many, it making out to be.

He had the ONLY personality. That's why you like him the best.

he still bad tho

Jaques Crusteau I agree with you that Adam Driver took what could have been a really flat character and added a lot of depth in his portrayal.

A Motherfucking Jojo reference he’s really not. He’s actually a really good character with a clear ark.

@@ballsman6084 shut up

ProtoMeNTL Duh

Tide Detergent Yet he got it wrong, so what’s your point? Duh

ProtoMeNTL I meant “duh” as in of course Rey took the books

Tide Detergent And it was missed in the video, hence my comment. So why are you replying to me with a “duh” as though it’s elementary when it’s obviously not if he missed it?

ProtoMeNTL Maybe because the video was really long and because he said he would gloss over the little things in the film. It wasn’t an insult by me saying duh. I just thought it was common knowledge by this point that Rey had the books. Therefore I was acknowledging you.

Think it is the worst in the series, I do too.

Seethe more

Mr Burrito it’s the BEST Disney starwars imo I fucking loved it

@@grandmasteryoda503 What ? you think its worst than last jedi ? thats impossible

@Mr Burrito It was easily the best of the Disney Star Wars movies, being the truest to the original material.

That's why I wish documentaries got more marketing. There's a dumb stigma saying because "there's no narrative, so there's nothing interesting." Um... Baraka?

I didn't lol

1. Ahch To was in the imperial archives. So my guess is that Luke gave his location to R2, in hopes that he'd never activate, hence R2 not being active until the end of TFA. 2. Luke finding the origin of the Jedi was a lie. 3.Or, plot holes. I mostly go with 1 and 2.

@@SteveCrafts2k I'm guessing he made the map just in case he either died (non force wise) or if he ever needed help

Varathael pretty sure the line went that close friends of Luke believed/thought that’s what he was going for... it was a rumor not confirmed fact or truth

I think Luke made the map so that if he was needed and would go through all the trouble finding him then, he was needed like a worse case scenario coming to think of why Like is portrayed the way he is with the empire fallen his whole family is dead the war being over which kept his mind busy let’s be honest and the way return of the Jedi ended by Luke actually having a chance to turn his father which he did and was taken away, he’d be pretty depressed. I also think Poe was under utilised in this film being the best fighter pilot we see some badass piloting on display in the force awakened but would of liked to see a bit more with his squadron

Nothing in Episode 7 suggests that Luke made the map. They're just following the same path he took because people who know him think he probably went there.

"Kylo was a threat to Leia - remember what happened when Vader threatened Leia in ROTJ?" THANK YOU! On top of that, we don't even know what fucked up shit he could've seen in Kylo's head. He could've seen Kylo blowing up all those planets with Starkiller Base, at which point, had he killed Ben, he would've been saving millions if not billions of people. And on top of THAT, Luke specifically said he "felt the good in Vader", hence why he tried to turn him back, whereas with Kylo he said that all he saw was darkness.

i think Luke left Leia and Han because he not only thought about killing their son, but pushed him into embracing the darkside

As a standalone movie/sequel, it's a good movie. The problem for me is that this movie undermines what happened in the OT. Luke's character arc was believing Vader could be changed, but then he tries to kill his nephew because of visions in this movie. If the OT didn't exist, of appreciate this movie a lot more.

Tincanmaniac okay... you know this movie is just a continuation of the OT meaning it has to build upon what’s established. It’s established that Luke is deeply emotional and prone to fits of rage, so luke being in an emotional fit of rage would most likely attempt to kill his nephew then immediately regret it as he nearly did it in RoTJ. Why fans act like this is such a huge character flaw is laughable. It’s literally Luke as an old man who’s become disgruntled with his world views due to severe personal loss. How can people not appreciate that? Oh because they wanted in Luke’s words, for him to “walk out with a laser sword and strike down the entire first order”... brilliantly enough, he actually does that the TRUE Jedi way as taught by his master Yoda... “a Jedi is never to use the force for attack, only defense”

Mystic Vac You think Yoda was being that literal when he said that Jedi never uses the Force for attack? I always saw it as him saying we use the Force to serve others and peace, not ourselves. Don’t seek war, but must always be ready for it thing.

Reality Punch Studios I get why you haven’t made video you have other stuff to do Also I really enjoyed this video and I agree with on most of these points I also think that reason why this movie wasn’t really well received because of the pressure and hype that was built around it along with fan theories

Reality Punch Studios I'm surprised people are still asking about Abridge on Titan.

Alright, no amount of asking is fine, but is there an amount of cash money that could be offered in exchange for an abridged series. (Possibly aot-S2?)

Can't wait for Fist Master, gl with your stuff my dude.

I'd personally really love to see more videos like this where you discuss your opinions on movies and other media. I'd especially be curious to see if you've kept with Attack on Titan at all and if so what your opinion of the series is.

Or fly right into a capital ship, tearing it in half!

Yeah, but you could also just choose the “fly straight” option

@Mario Perez that's literally how hyperspace is described in the original film. You don't like it? Maybe Star Wars isn't for you.

@TheSkyWhale Oh, I see. "Fly right through a star" means "exit hyperspace too close to a star," not "fly right through a star."

@Mario Perez Legends also says there are space siren things that if you look at while your in hyperspace you will go mad or looking at hyperspace for too long makes you go mad which literally contradicts every single ship in the entire franchise as they are constantly looking out the front facing um "windshield". even more so with x wings, y wings, Jedi starfighters, the Falcon, ect so you can't really pull a non canon source to explain canon. i still don't like the scene and think it's just another stupid thing that further ruins the movie

Well what the fuck is "star wars" or "anime" anyway? I hate to break it to you, but it's not as grand and operatic as you remember. It's all fiction anyway.

erubin100 wat

@@erubin100 HUH??????

That would've helped. I suppose it would also have helped if she had a serious outfit, frankly. It works for Mon Mothma, a spiritual leader... not for an admiral. All the worse since Star Wars knows damn well how to have strong female characters, all around. TLJ, not so much... an authoritarian nutjob with no command skill, Mary Poppins, Marey Sue and Rose "I know we're about to die, but I want your babies" don't particularly make a good case. Seems like just a general ideological problem. How to make a strong female character if you despise strength and courage? At some level they want a powerful romcom character... and then people wonder why it doesn't work.

@@sorsocksfake the ideological insersions were among the main things I didn't care for in this film, in large part because they felt forced, particularly at the casino. The war profiteering comments were the only things that worked in context. The commentary on animal rights and wealth disparity felt like a strange digression that killed the flow of the story. None of the ideas except those about war specifically had anything to do with the rest of the plot and it felt like the story went out of it's way to take us there because the director said so. Rose hust felt like an annoying mouthpiece for the director to get on his soap box about his pet issues, which is just annoying in a Star Wars movie regardless of one's position on these subjects. I don't hate Rose as a character, merely her execution for this reason. The ideas about war profiteering work because it speaks to and goves greater depth to the rest of the story. Idk, of the 3 modern social issues that were dropped into this movie (and whivh date it to some extent in my opinion), the idea of people playing both sides of war makes sense as it felt the most like something that fit in the war part of Star Wars. Maybe it's just me. Holdo's actions make sense in concept as explained in this video and there was a solid rationale. Both Poe and Holdo had different plans, they didn't trust each other and they had reason to suspect they were both potential traitors. The problem is the execution of Holdo's decision making and it is what compromises the desired perception of her as a good leader. She came off as incompetant and like kind of an a-hole, not shrewd and measured as intended. Some say that is an obnoxious feminist girl power/berate the boys for being boys message, one which I honestly took from the movie, but while it is possible that is still the case, after this video I now just see as poor execution of an otherwise good idea. Beyond these two things, which I did find really annoying, I actually did very much like the rest of the movie.

Ew, no. Lol

Wait, you didn’t love 9!!!! But it had so many references!!!! /s

I think the reason EP9 disrespected EP8 was because EP8 disrespected EP7 and the entirety of Star Wars before it; terrible writing, galaxy-destroying plot holes and inconsistencies.

I agree. Star wars is amazing and I love it all

@@franchisefanatic4142 Thank You

Even more disappointing as Phasma was the spiritual successor to Boba Fett; something more epic than dying in a wreck should have happened to her

King Nothing well in her defence I felt that both boba and jango fett’s characters were hilariously underutilized in both trilogies. I’m a Star Wars fan but all of these fans coming out of the wood works to bash the new trilogy as if the prequels were perfect, as well as people who bash the prequels as if the original trilogy was perfect... idk it just baffles me. The entire series is flawed, George Lucas is just not that great of a writer and people let nostalgia cloud their judgement of that fact. But yes they should have included that fucking scene lmao

ASHIGARU94 Lucas is great at crafting the world...however, dialogue is NOT his forte.

@@casteanpreswyn7528 I mean jango killed at least one jedi. Disarmed and fended off a jedi master trying to capture and him and damn. Even out fighting him hand to hand. And his armor is way sweeter than phasmas or boba

@@manz7860 boba has wayyyy better armor wtf

Rogue one was like the dark knight rises of star wars. I really enjoyed the gritty realism and believable blaster fights. And Vader just bodying everyone at the end How did we go from that vader scene to that awful throne room action

I think you're in the vast majority as it has much more interesting and compelling visuals, pacing and story telling than the last jedi. I can't have fun with a 2 and a half hour chase scene with boring and ultimately pointless sub plots that have no effect on the outcome of the film anyway.

yeahh boii

@@samvarley1723 Well to your first point The empire strikes back was one big chase scene

Sam Varley I honesty felt the opposite with the pacing in rouge one. It was mediocre until the scarif battle. Which was beautiful( not just the battle but the character moments too and obv the hallway scene)

Steroid 😂

Dawson Hall calm your tits it isnt thta hard to find someone

RU-vidr "Shaun" also likes TLJ

Omg same! I litteraly cried and I saw the thumbnail of this video in my recommendations

If you haven't watched it yet, you should watch the video: How the Last Jedi Defies Expectations It provided me with a new perspective of the movie.

DARTH* Bane.

When you say “hated”, you don’t really mean with a burning angry passion right?

We need people like you.

same, glad to see comments like this from people like you.

Because they will keep making this crap if u don’t explain why it terrible

@@jameskillbot2867 yeah that's the problem, TLJ isn't that bad as everyone says you just think it's terrible because it didn't meet your expectations, for others it did, simple

I'd be more interested in that video. I'll admit imo, Rogue One is a little slow in the middle, but the final act had me on the edge of my seat. It truly subverted my expectations.

Rogue One looks good and is a really cool spectacle, but the characters are bland and uninteresting. Blank, unemotive faces and whispering is a problem in a lot of current movies (which I assume stems from the direction given to actors), but these things still make it hard to care much about the characters and what they're doing. I actually like Rogue One fine, though. "Ok, I want you to have a meaningful, pondering face and speak your lines with a husky, low, monotone voice. Remember: we're doing really close-up shots here, so make sure you show NO discernable emotion or people will think we're doing a silent era-film. ACTION! ... CUT! Felicity, was that a fucking smile!? TRANQUILIZERS! NOW!"

He did should say to himself, about hating Rogue One: “How joyless, and annoying, do you have to be, to see Rogue One and go ‘oh, that’s so bad I hate it!’ - we are watching STAR WARS! Have some f*ing fun! LEARN to have fun if, for some reason, you hate this... Star Wars is fantasy! Embrace the fantasy or, I don’t know, stop watching Star Wars...” (see his 43:20)

Honestly if i was him and i hated Rogue One (which i dont) my biggest point would be that its just a grand fanservice carnaval.

While I do not hate Rogue One, I didn't like it as much as other SW films. Mainly because of there characters, who were mostly boring, especially the two leads. The only ones I liked were Baze and Chirrut, yeah I didn't even like K2SO that much. Also anyone above the age of like 16 that did not see their deaths coming, I don't know what to tell them, it did the opposite to subverting my expectations, as I expected every single one of them to die.

And honestly I was a fan just before the force awakens so I liked Ashoka (she’s my favourite character) but the fan base after this movie became so toxic I just became annoyed rathe than anything

I'm with you on this. Never has a film I love this much caused me this much misery. At this point, I want Rian Johnson to take his ball and go make a totally different space opera, where people won't scream at every single thing he does.

Stop hating what I like. Am I right?

@@austinjohnsen4430 at this stage, I resent my own love of it.

Hunter Ross free from the echo hate chamber you are...

I very much enjoy these sequels. I dont think the mindless haters (and when I say that, I mean people who will mindlessly hate regardless of what the argument you have is) give it enough credit. They feel so entitled they can't accept that Star Wars isnt theirs and theirs alone

Thank you for speaking my mind. The only Star Wars films I dislike are Attack of the Clones and to a great degree, Phantom Menace. I went to see Last Jedi in theaters, and It was one of the best movie experiences I ever had, only second to Joker. I can't wait to see "The Senate" in Rise of Skywalker.

@@hermanmelvelleiii2212 LMAO good one

SerixSkylark. Me too

Same

the DIFFERENT opinion is actually disliking something thrown out for fucking once.

Dig this vibe 👍

Thank you for saying you didn’t like this and move on, I appreciate people like you and please have a good time

THANK YOU Andrew Pace! That's a very mature and refreshing comment in a world of toxic, obsessed, crybaby fanbases

Andrew Pace that’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it.....but it’s wrong

I agree, if Disney kept the original Star Wars 9 concept. It would had been one of the best movies.

The tlj visual dictionary actually explains this! Basically the bombs are magnetized and fall a few meters due to the gravity of the ship, and then magnets are used to pull them to their target

Aumbreen Khokhar Nice to know my instincts fit with the official explanation.

@@aumbreenkhokhar1529 that actually really itches that scratch lol

@@picassodilly in order for those bombs to be accelerated at the rate shown, the Dreadnaught would have to have as much mass as like, Jupiter. Do you think that spaceship, even as large as it is, weighs as much as a gas giant?..

@@aumbreenkhokhar1529 that's actually not true at all smh..

He is also second in command and Leias closest friend. If Holdo killed Poe while she was in a coma she would’ve fired Holdo. You can’t not tell Commanders or Captains the plan. They’re high ranking. That’s like if Franklin Roosevelt made a super cool plan but refused to tell Eisenhower and just didn’t tell anyone why. She never even said to him there was a plan. That’s plain dumb and shit writing. Rian Johnson truly ruined Star Wars

Hollywood Tonight I agree I was merely explaining that while she was wrong her reasons for not putting Poe in the brig were pretty straightforward. It would have been like Leia having Luke sent to the brig a week after blowing up the death star no matter how much it was deserved it would never have stood. The idea itself is nonsensical, much like most of this new trilogy, it seems to me that most of those that love these films believe RJ and JJ are great story tellers because they have been told they are great story tellers. Don’t get me wrong I enjoyed the sequels to some extent but they aren’t even as good as the prequels and are not a patch on the original trilogy most of the legends I have read is better than this new trilogy they could have been so brilliant but there is very little soul in them.

Well he was being wreckless and he disobeyed leia

And Holdo letting everyone believe they were doomed didn't have a negative effect? LOL

@@MrBen51309 I agree she was a terrible leader.

I think they really inspired themselves of that game!

That is one of the few things I liked about TLJ in regards to the Force. Everything else falls flat.

I read some of the first comics of Knights of the Old Republic and the masters' attitude in the beginning reminds me of Luke with Ren...

Time restraints clearly. They put too much time into the Canto Bight Chase.

But Canto Bight was important to the entire lore of Star Wars!

@@ironox9462 The chase scene's length was unnecessary in my opinion and was the only reason I got bored.

+Star Wordz (StarWordz & TheGrimReaper) Yeah, as much as I love TLJ, I wasn't a fan of Canto Bight or the chase either. Also, Star Wars doesn't really need an animal rights message.

Pacing. It's too long in an already overloaded climax that goes on for a long, long time.

Watch Jenny Nicholson, Film Joy, Shaun, Just Write, Lessons from Screenplay, Star Wars Explained, AT-AT chat, Hello Greedo, Loverboy Media, and there's a guy who made a video called "A guide to The Last Jedi", but I don't remember his name. If you search for "Why we love The Last Jedi" you might find a playlist with, I'm not joking, 52 videos praising TLJ. And I know that there are more channels who like this movie. Hope you enjoy!

One Animator to Rule Them All I didn’t really like Rouge One either until the final battle and that a Darth Vader scene, Solo was far better

Your not true fan people like you ruin it for true fans like me they ruined luke made a part were it was all about animals getting free that's not about star wars you people r selfish

As someone who likes both a lot, I understand _not liking_ Rogue One a lot more than _hating_ TLJ

@@Wolfeur dude rouge one is allot better then last jedi it doesnt ruin vader and the story is actually good but last jedi ruined luke boring story lots of mistake especially in the throne room scene

@@legendarycreator9897 "ruining Luke" is the stupidest argument against TLJ. At best, it's a bad argument against TFA. What TLJ did with Luke made his character actually interesting. But back to my point: I understand not liking Rogue One as I can understand people not being interested in what story it told, or not being attached to the characters, who are honestly pretty bland. However, _hating_ TLJ is ridiculous. The movie does a pretty good job at giving characters depth and arcs, is visually stunning, and offers another point of view to the Star Wars universe.

Gustavo Valdiviesso That's fair to assume. However, assuming based solely off your own experience isn't definitive. For example, in my circle, a lot of people are not fond of this movie at all. I'm not saying you shouldn't like this movie. But, in my perspective many people do not like this movie.

I'm not a star wars fan, I hated this movie, all but one of my friends hated it. I enjoy movies with a well thought out story, this movie isn't it, it's a bunch of action set pieces strung together by "story" invented post action set piece inception. Writer 1"We want cool bombs in space WW2 references because those looked cool!!" Writer 2"How do we get that to happen? We have fast bombers with torpedoes in this universe, noone would invest money into slow bombers, that wouldn't make sense" Writer 1"Well, who cares? Just put it in there dude! It will look so cool!" This is a problem with a lot of modern movies, they are made in that order. It's not a complete story where the director team thinks about how to make the action set pieces requried for the story cool it's a bunch of action set pieces loosely tied together by whatever story they can come up with. It doesn't matter if it's internally consistent. For a thinking viewer this doesn't work, it pulls you right out of any immersion you might have had, for someone looking for cool special effects I can see how it's nice however. Just like the transformers movies they were big and stupid but cool looking, and people don't like thinking so much, so they buy it.

Gustavo Valdiviesso You’re right It’s called the 20/80 rule. Where the small 20% do more work than the other 80% and it really shows.

Holy shit this is hilarious

@@sowmithreddy8178 What? People can be genuine about their dislike of this film.

@@grayski3324 did you see the fanboy court video on this movie from warp zone

They didn't write him as a mystery. The way one writes mysteries starts with characters asking questions on screen about it. Not a single character asks about Snoke's history or identity. Whenever anyone talks about him it's in a way that they know all they need to know about him. The only reason you think he's a mystery is because the prequels has programmed Star Wars fans to think everything needs a backstory. Snoke's best narrative use is to further the character of Kylo Ren. Kylo killing him and wanting to take advantage of the power vacuum. It puts the villain the audience actually care about in the position of main villain.

@@christophthemad8291 People were curious about him because he *is* a mysterious character. It's common sense to wonder and ask questions about someone when he appears out of nowwhere and suddenly controls the most powerful army in the galaxy and somehow is a powerful sith despite Palpatine only teaching one person at a time.

@@manuellord2010 Here's the thing. Nobody in universe cared about who he was. Just because fans demanded a backsrory doesn't mean he needed one. Everyone in universe treats Snoke like they did with Palpatine in Return of the Jedi. He's a bad guy with a bunch of force powers and rules the bad guy army. Nobody needed a backstory then and we don't need one now, especially since his narrative utility in the franchise is to push Kylo Ren's development. Fans need to stop thinking about Star Wars like a wiki page and start thinking about it as movies again.

I have always believed that Snoke was a puppet of either the real big bad(could be anyone, including a form of Palatine) or a clone of the real Snoke, who is so untrustworthy that he never allows personal interaction with anyone. Snoke puppet gets killed by kylo as was planned by the puppet master for reasons kylo doesn't see. The reason was that kylo was being used for "a diabolical purpose to be revealed in the final film."

@@christophthemad8291 Here's the thing. The Sith's rule of two was already established in canon, and Snoke doesn't exactly look very young, so he must have existed for quite some decades. Maybe nobody in the universe asks who he is but it is only natural for fans to wonder about a mysterious new powerful character living in the shadows for who knows how long .Snoke's story as it is simply seems like a waste.

JorgeFabrizio that’s a very valid point, but she was probably just mad that he got a lot of people killed and didn’t consider that

Im gonna have to agree with you on what you said about Holdo. But despite her flaws I loved the way the actress portrayed her. It was the scriptwriters who ruined her...

JorgeFabrizio You should get more intelligent friends. People who don't accept the possibility of something being good are really crap people.

JorgeFabrizio very valid point. But with that said, i still dont think Holdo single handedly brought down this entire film. There is no way that Holdo alone could make this movie a terrible movie.

Well I was only talking about my only sticking point as it relates to this video. Not about my thoughts on the movie as a whole. I'd rather not reopen that can of worms.

Underrated Comment right here. I see that people chose to either oversimplify the main points against the movie (like saying "its just a movie just enjoy it", as to say don't criticize somnthing you don't like) or just counterpoint the dumbest ones like " why didn't they send a droid to smash the ship against the others".

“This guy gets it!” - Jesus Christ

Siveals 🙌🏾

Thank God I'm not the only one. Or as Yoda would say ity 'there is another'

@@evinafk exactly! All movies have flaws, I just love Star Wars.

Good on you for being incapable of critizising just because you like star wars!

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Amen brother

Top GM Or they are stationary relative to the nearest source of gravity. One thing people often forget is that there is gravity in space, you just wouldn’t feel it when in orbit.

@@zodfox9321 lol

Top GM the dreadnaught pply don’t have the mass to pull them in at that rate. It’s not a planet. Magnets could perhaps work- or some kind of invisible tractor beam. Still they seemed to be the most flimsy, clumsy and slow bombers the rebels have in their arsenal. Use Y-wings!

Poetic license

How do the bombers know to magnetize to the Dreadnought and not each other or the ship they "dropped" from?

Ben Taylor Yeah. Now there's two of you fans of TLJ.

Reverse The Palarity Whovian19 Nah. Some people have peculiar tastes. Some are coprophiles, some like TLJ.

@@edgepixel8467 Didn't the movie make a billion dollars? Clearly the movie has quite a few fans

@@edgepixel8467 Nowwww, there are TWO of them.

Brandon Korner Paying for seeing a movie doesn't equate with liking what you saw, does it? Yes, a lot of people paid for the movie. That's it.

Not weird at all. KotOR 2 is probably my favorite game. Ever. And yes, I also really enjoyed TLJ because I saw the parallels between that game and the movie.

Count me in too! Kotor 1 is great (and it's also finished!) but Kotor 2 holds a special place in my heart, warts and all. It made me long for more stuff like that in this universe, and so far TLJ is the only piece of media that's managed to scratch that itch.

I was the same kind of. I enjoyed it in cinema,hated it second watch, loved it 3rd watch

First watch (I was ten): I LOVE IT! Second watch (Now fourteen): Wait a second, did I actually like this shit? Third watch: Oh, yeah, no this is awesome.

Same

I loved RO and would be curious what he has to say.

I love The Last Jedi and majorly disliked Rogue One despite everyone in the group I saw it with absolutely loving it. Would love to see if his reasons for hating RO are similar to mine or to simply put my dislike into words through him.

Jaz Nought I don’t hate Rogue One, but it’s the only Star Wars movie I don’t LOVE.

Jaz Nought oh I see all the kids with disabilities hated the better film (rouge one) and liked the horse shit

Jack Sparrow your point is invalid then if you like the last Jedi

Ikr

This movie can save Infinity War, Infinity War sucked so much the only way to save it is to make it a crossover, when the emojies were disappearing is that Thanos snapped

@@darthtroller yeah

Josiah Baughman What joke..?

ShadowXgames 360 cinematic perfection