The Last Night on Darillium | The Husbands of River Song | Doctor Who 

*I know* right?

Me, a fan of both: "I hate you." *smug smile* "I know."

Well sadly we do now

and good omens fans too

@@leemav5136 is that cause of Patrick troughton being in that movie?..

Although I don't remember him snapping to open the TARDIS.

That doctor was a very long time ago

I guess in retrospect its a bit weird she describes matt smith more than the one she spent 24 years with, but then again she's probably fond of the first face she saw

Is it? With the Doctor changing time to get a new regenerative cycle, maybe time has changed....

CinemaBiohazard he didn't change time to get it. It was gifted to him from the timelords through a crack in the universe

I just bought Peter's box set so I can finally give it a proper watch

@@visisydandthevoid Seasons 9 and 10 are so good you won't regret it. Season 8 is solid too but to me it's not nearly as good as the other two.

And we cried with her

This scene and the scene where the doctor meets her for the first time always make me cry, they're both beautifully and perfectly written.

I remember my first reaction having heard 24 years was a quick laugh and was so happy for her knowing what was to come. This was such a well written character

Is that actually true!? If it is, I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THAT FACT!🤩

I think this is the intervju.😉 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QIDeOUsULhw.htmlsi=IV-det7VH87ln_7t​@@MaskFanaticYT

Sean Grand every river leads somewhere

Ivan Rosas and that somewhere is a library

and on the top of valley that a river runs through,are trees

Sometimes stories turn into songs...?

PetritZeneli And songs help by telling stories.

I would want to see her with eccleston

She has interactions with more doctors in her various Big Finish adventures, including 8 and 4.

I'll be honest, I never really bought her with 11

@@thedoctor1263 ecclestonwas so human thou. She might find him even more child like then she thought off tennant

@@TokenOracle and 5 and 7 (and 7 especially was hilarious!!!)

EXACTLY! Peter can really act with just using his facial expressions.

He did that thing she says he always does. Just when she’d given up hope (“if tonight is all we have left…”), he did that smug little smile he always does and found some loophole

Truly! Peter is so amazing! It was obvious with Matt's doctor that he cared for River but with Peter you can see how much he really loves her. This is the doctor and River at their best ♥️

As Matt was an incarnation of the doctor, he didn't just care for her he loved her, as did all the regenerated doctors as they are the same person through time.

This is why we have the old maxim "show, don't tell." It is so much more effective. But too few writers these days understand that and feel the need to explain everything in excessive detail because they think the audience can't figure it out.

But I mean, he did... Kind of find a loophole there. He uploaded her consciousness into the library. Did that not count? Or... I dunno that episode always confused me just a smidge

@@incognitogirl6201 she means that he can stop her leaving Darillium (and by extension, stop her going to the library and dying, unbeknownst to her) but he knows she has to leave Darillium and go there bc he's seen it himself Honestly timelines are confusing as fuck, but I like how Moffat really played with the concept of time in Doctor Who, time travel is more than just how they get somewhere

@@incognitogirl6201 and 11 even talked with her.

@@matthewlacey4198 The Doctor knows that this is the last time he will ever see River - its time for her to go to the Library when the night is over. Its actually brilliant what Moffat has done with River's storyline - having a complete character in the first episode we see her in, and in her future episodes, we get to see the gradual deconstruction, and rebuilding of her character up to Husbands

He knows that if he did anything to prevent her going to the library he would have never met her which would have led to him sacrificing himself in the library and possibly never meeting Amy and river never being born at all

And those stories turned into Songs

Why do you think 12 constantly said 'Stay out of my browser history'.

Paul S this is exactly what I was thinking lmao

I remember he can look up to that stuff with the sonic screwdriver. He said it in the 50th anniversary movie

"I hate you!" "No you don't." One of the most classic dialogue between this couple. Always gets me. Sometimes in a bitter way, sometimes in a sweet way.

Kenthor HaGadol More like cries for 24 years..

It's like they inflate!

How much sex can ANYONY have in 24 years

Alexander Mills with two hearts as well

Also an important question - how are those years being measured? In Earth years, in Gallifreyan years, in some other form...

Give Chibnall time and that mystery will be spoiled. He's now giving answers no one wanted to know, such as where did the time lords or the Doctor come from. I hope I'm wrong.

I still dislike when the Doctor regenerates the ring falls off her finger and down onto the floor of the tardis before it goes spinning around meaning the ring is likely lost for good. So I guess marriages in Galifrey are for one regeneration, seems a quick way out of a bad marriage.

I agree. I feel like Ten cared about her [not dying], Eleven liked having her around, and Twelve interacted with River like old married couples do, the ones who possess true love. I’m glad that he was able to show her the love that River, before meeting Twelve, held for the Doctor but never got. Twelve and River have true connection.

@@sockpuppetmogwai856 Oh actually! I know this hasn't been responded to in a while, but that little detail was actually about Capaldi. He refused to take his wedding ring off to play the role, so the entire series his Doctor wore it because he couldn't bare to part with something that connected him to his wife. At his regeneration, the ring fell as symbolizing the end of his era (and they couldn't exactly have Thirteen walk around wearing Capaldi's wedding ring). Technically they connected a second band to his but, yeah, it came from his wedding ring. I've found it to be a really sweet detail, and it's more connected to outside references instead of canon details

@@sockpuppetmogwai856 I mean, the phrase is "till death do us part."

He wont see her again?

@@Julia_Berrrlin I'm not a big who watcher but from what i understand, after this, her next encounters are with his previous selves in earlier episodes, and her first ever show encounter with the doctor is with the 10th, and she sacrifices herself for him. Sooo yeah after this, she's basically walking around with the death flag. It's a very interesting strange relationship, cos she meets him backwards, the more she knows him the less he knows her and the first time they meet is the day she dies.

Silence in the Library is directly after the 24 years end

@@RoballTV The Next encounter is with the 10th doctor (back to the beginning of her loop) and she dies at the Second Library of Alexandria ("Silence in the Library/"Forest of the Dead.") She meets him with a face she doesn't know and he has never met her.

Wait no, that's wrong. She's going to see him twice more and he won't ever see her again. She sees Ten at the Library and then Eleven at his grave with Clara.

Good observation - you know that the doctor means her, when he says "when you need it the most ....(pauses) there's a song.. Keep in mind that wile we don't know how long it is after Hell Bent, but losing Clara and her memories left him pretty damaged emotionally - and when he was laughing at being threatened by a bag, he said "I haven't laughed in a long time".. a reference to the period between Hell Bent and this episode. If the doctor needed someone to make him laugh, any adventure with the daffy, insane but clever River Song was bound to cheer him up! Remember, the Tardis always takes him where he needs to go, not where he wants to go!

That whole line was a reference to the library Episode where river said in the last quote. "When the wind stands fair and the doctor comes to call everybody lives

Actually, the Doctor is saying that he is the towers and River is the wind (and the music it creates). Because here's the thing: he's Time Lord (or if he's a Hybrid, he chooses to be Time Lord primarily and tries to suppress/ignore the human aspect). As much as he might appear to change over time, he's basically the same person: the Doctor, the Oncoming Storm, the Monolith. He's been there from the start of the universe to its multiple ends. He doesn't change, deep down inside. The environment might make him seem to change on the outside, but he's still Susan's grandfather, Jenny's father, Amy and Rory's son-in-law, River's husband, Rose's lover, and Clara's best friend. He always was and always will be, no matter what face and what persona he might choose to wear. River, on the other hand, casts her lot in with the humans. Oh, yes, she used to be a Time Lady, but she gave up her regeneration energy to pour it into him, replacing his used up energy with hers to counteract the Judas Tree poison and bring him back to life. She goes where she wishes and does what she wants, just like the Wind, and she was always there to bring a bit of a Song, a touch of a Melody into his life. She flows through his life like the winds between the pillars and leaves him with the sound of beauty, compassion, and loyalty ringing in his ears. She loves him, whether or not he loves her. And together they are always there for the universe when the universe needs them most. He's there for her, and she's there for him. Throughout time, they have been one of the greatest love stories, and they will never cease to amaze and touch the hearts of lives across the galaxy until time ends and life is extinguish.

Well said!

Wasn't the hybrid thing about the Doctor being half Dalek though?

The moment she looks out the window of the spaceship & comments on what planet it is, I screamed 'NO!' at the TV & startled the hell out of my husband. Lol.

Jennifer Sanchez this episode has a bitter sweet ending. You cry because you know what's going to happen after this but you're happy that he gave her 24yrs.

"You and me... Time And Space..."

"You watch us run"

Maria Fox i remember that!!!

I'm 24 and Capaldi is my fav. Letting both Tennant and Smith' fandoms aside, Capaldi was the best actor to portray the rol. And he had the best character arc hands down. There's no discussion.

You're right, I'm just learning this now 😂😭

10, 11 were great doctors both in their own way. However, IMO 12 is THE Doctor. The way Capaldi takes control of almost every scene is nothing short of spectacular

Capaldi was the one who got me watching the show again

I liked Capaldi when it WASN'T busy being 'The Clara Oswald Show' . I can say that at the end of the day, after all the episodes, I just didn't care for Clara. I liked her when she was more of a one off character, but ultimately I think she was my least favorite companion.

Precisely, because he wasn't just saying "...but always when you need it the most, there is a song," he was saying, "...but always when I need HER the most, there is MY Song." It's a BRILLIANT bit of metaphor.

I actually think this scene is the Doctor inferring to River that at some point, he goes back a few million years and HE builds the Towers for her, just for this 'one night'.

It's also another call-back to the Library: "When the wind stands fair and the Doctor comes to call, sometimes... everybody lives."

I like to believe the Doctor created the towers specifically for River here and that’s why seemingly nobody understands how or why they “sing”. My headcanon is that as River finally listens she gets that look of understanding across her face because the Towers are singing out both of their names like that together, forever. “When the wind stands fair, and the night is perfect. When you least expect it, but need it the most… there is a song” sounds AWFULLY similar to “and you mustn’t tell anyone you name. Nobody would understand it, anyway. Except… children. Children can hear it sometimes, if their hearts are in the right place, and stars are too.” I like to think folks can only hear the Towers sing when the conditions are just right the same as they’d need to be to hear his name as anything comprehensible. A Time Lord’s name is probably an ever flowing “concept” more than a name so it can’t be simply said by a human any more than it could be understood but them. Hence they all often use aliases outside their own world. Maybe you can never know/learn the Doctors name without some type of Time Lord DNA.

BlockMechanics I also like it's a riposte to her just means time, little time, not something you'd understand and he just smiles knowing he is gonna give her another 24 years 😎

River: I hate you

@@juliakim5825 Doctor: No you don't.

You miss the fact that he already had and he knows it. He knew exactly how itd turn out and how it will turn out. That little comment of River saying that he will save her at the last moment when she had given up hope had already happened. This is the time which tennant realised what the screwdriver meant and literally *"SAVED"* her. Even River was shocked because she was under the influence that The Doctor really cant save her. If you would also try to recall the time that they were in Tranzelore, she was in TARDIS. He uploaded her consciousness. She basically is still alive and on board (idk about capaldis timeline since TARDIS broke down during smiths)

What happens after she is downloaded?

😢

Steven Moffat wrote 24 years as a tribute to Peter Capaldi's real life marriage of 24 years at that time.

@@jooie444 - Sweet!

@@jooie444 that explains why it was so little

I cried when 12 said 24 Years. because 24 years is enough time for the Doctor and River to have a child and watch their child grow up.

And he gave her, his old screwdriver

They totally did not just stay on that planet. When has the doctor ever been one to stay in one place? I’m sure they kept going back there but many trips in the tardis were taken I’m sure

​@@alecbormia4523he stayed at St Luke University for 70 years remember

@@cunningsmile4166 and he definitely went on trips in the tardis there also. Nardole wouldn’t know, it’s a Time Machine. He couldn’t obey direct orders from himself to stay there!

⁠​⁠@@alecbormia4523 You’re missing the fact that at the university he had nothing, he missed space. Here, he has River. The 24 years don’t make any sense if they can just return to any point in time on the planet while spending an arbitrary time in the TARDIS. The Doctor makes it clear that you can’t just use the TARDIS after landing to play with time, not unless you’re TimeLord Victorious. So no, they stayed on that planet for 24 years. They probably traveled using conventional spacecrafts but no TARDIS was allowed, that’s obvious… they only had 24years, no more.

I see what you did there !

Anthony Ribeiro Ikr.

Nice one

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"We will sing you to your sleep…"

The Observer That is so beautiful, it sounds like poetry that metaphor.

Beautiful. I can't thank you enough.

the song = a Melody :D

I wonder, if doctor was the one who arranged those towers.

@@lonelytraveler541 could be since he did a lot of things in the universe

Precisely stated.

I feel it. I feel you 😭

Hear, hear! I'm so incredibly glad that Big Finish Productions are keeping her alive by having her feature in the 8th Doctor adventure "Doom Coalition" and also having her star in her own spin-off series "The Diary of River Song" and is soon due to encounter the 6th and 7th Doctor's!

The Adventures of River Song would've made a better spinoff than Class

Alan Kelly hey do u know how to get big finish audio for free

What few audios I own I've bought from the official Big Finish site. They're worth the money. Buying them helps support Big Finish and in turn helps support Doctor Who and the spin-offs too.

Aakash Vadher or is it?... 😏

Is it? Hadn't noticed!

yep, read above

Actually that was first said during the silence in the library River says I hate you and the tenth doctor replies I know

And it was fucking PERFECT. They really make you believe that these are the same two people.

OMG NO WAY!! *sarcasm intensifies*

Even the little sigh Alex Kingston delivers is just spot on. The moment of clarity as River understands the metaphor.

Rule One: The Doctor lies

"It's a great show," they said "Watch it," they said "Why are you crying on the floor," they said

You hate it? No you dont

The best lie you ever heard.

It's the most wonderful lie, and it's one you intend to repeat.

Totally need another showcase of these two .

Apparently in the first take or rehearsals, Peter did cry and Alex just lost it and cried too.

@@jooie444 I would have also cried, like how can you not?

@@jooie444 That's exactly what happened. In an interview, Alex said she was holding it together pretty well until she noticed that Peter's eyes were welling up and his voice was breaking. At that point she just couldn't hold on any longer and she broke down, too.

@@aec9174 I think I would be a blubbering mess if I saw that footage.

@@jooie444 Me, too!!

Hey man, sometimes a good as heck cuddle is just what you need. They destroy depression (sometimes) and obliterate loneliness, trigger oxytocin. They're good for you.

Justin White I JUST NOTICED IT WAS THE SONIC HE GAVE THAT WOULD END UP BACK IN TENTH'S TIME!!!

And when he does the little motion with it turning it on in the previous clip, he's scanning her brain so she can be uploaded to the library.

Althalus2010 omg, I never made THAT connection, but you're absolutely right!

Althalus2010 Uh...no...the suit she wears in that episode does that.

Yes, but he didn't connect the suit to the library. The sonic and the suit weren't connected. I'm assuming he got the idea from the suit and installed something like it into the sonic.

Same I just watched it again and wow my heart ❤️

After watching this scene, Silence in the Library holds a lot more meaning.

This scene is sad and meaningful because from The 12th Doctor's point of view this will be the last time he and River Song will be together and he knows that River's life will soon end and that she'll go to the library and meet his tenth incarnation.

She literally grew old with the doctor. So touching

It's one banger of a Christmas gift he gave her.

I never noticed until now, but it is literally what she describes at the start of the scene. He saves the day at the last minute with a smug little smile.

NPCarlsson Right!

She says earlier in the episode that he always cancelled at the las tminute so I guess it's safe to assume the Doctor took here there then instantly took her back

NPCarlsson any ideas how I can watch that minisode? Because I can’t find it anywhere on RU-vid!

www.dailymotion.com/video/xn354o

Well done that's right!

Agreed! I feel like Eleven liked River, but Twelve truly shows her the love she wishes she got when they meet earlier in the episode.

It was age appropriate and acting talent appropriate. These were top experienced actors and both were in their 50s. That's why it felt more wholesome than 10 and 11, when it looked like an exploitative cougar relationship.

@@gentblue I mean it's a bit weird to say it looked exploitative given the Doctor's age compared to RIver's. Even if you're talking about real life, Alex Kingston is only 8 years older than David Tennant (who is 14 years older than his actual wife). It definitely came off a bit weird with Matt but I think the main problem is she just didn't have chemistry with anyone other than Peter.

He (11) got so angry when she had to break her wrist to escape the weeping angel and concealed it from him though . There was a moment of stern love and controlled anger born from concern and forgiveness there that a long married couple will recognize

This is also the only time I've liked them as a couple. Her and 11 never looked quite right as a couple, 11 seemed so youthful and looked so young. Her and 12 just look right together.

Barry Smith doctor had been used to using earth time due to his mostly human companions.Maybe earth years.

Yes

It was earth years as confirmed in the next special “The return of Doctor Mysterio” the Doctor had been gone from the earth for 24 years because of this

Also, if night lasts on Darillium for an equivalent of 24 earth years, wouldn’t it get deathly cold from one face of the planet facing away from its parent star for so long? Not to mention the other side of the planet is probably burning at that moment...

I’d say there’s 2 suns but then it’d be eternal day

"You wait until I've given up hope, all will be lost and you'll do that smug little smile and you'll save the day. You always do!"

i know, ive seen this scene so many times and i still cry at the relief on her face when he says how long a night is

ScatterBrainUK Mamma mia here we go again.

Liam Catterson I love the 12th doctor I'm sorry he had to leave us for a new one I haven't got to see the new one only in pictures and I bet she's good just as good as the rest of them all have been

I kinda wanna be more than friends! (crying intensifies)

PikaPlayzHD there has been so many better ones but it's a good clever way to end it with river,the episode before this was amazing in every single aspects

You mean Hell bent? That wasn't very good.

This is second, right after A Christmas Carol in my opinion

+Austin “Jack” Cass That's not a Christmas special.

my bad

I’d agree, but as with many doctor who arcs, it wouldn’t have nearly as much impact without the rest of the episodes she’s in

Oliver Linklater And sadly we lost a great man who gave us his heart. But the very next day, we gave it away. This year, to save everyone from tears, I’ll give it to someone special.

MikeRiderOOO no he means the Christmas special before that called last Christmas

To be fair when river first fell in love with the doctor she killed him so it could have been worse

@@AndereundIch Hahahaha you're right about that!

@@AndereundIch well the first time the doctor met River she sacrifice herself for him. He might subconsciously be pushing her away as well afraid to get too attached to someone he knows will die

@@Kibatsume1 We dont get to see that. Not a hint of that. The reason he had distance to Amy and Rorry from time to time because he didnt want them to fade away, something he isn't afraid of with River.

OH and btw. I really want to know how Susans mother/father fit in in the story. Did he had another lover/wife/man? Is Susan "adopted"? Where and who is the Doctors son/daughter? Is Susan the daughter of Jenni? All these questions and still yet no answer. :D

Moffat has a theory/idea about their ending. It’s not written but I headcanon it hard. It’s about the Doctor uploading himself to the library after he dies and becoming the Moon. (not sure if this refers to the "moon" or to the Dr. Moon but again, it's just an idea so it doesn't really matter.) And that's their happy ever after.

@@FanziskaUpsi oh also, Susan is not the daughter of Jenny. I believe it's stated that the Doctor raised his daughter so it can't be Jenny. Also Jenny doesn't have access to time travel. Susan is just a part of his old family from Gallifrey. He got married and had children before.

I love this comment!

There's a scene in the spinoff "Class" where he sees her name on a memorial board, at the school she worked at, among a list of others and lingers on it. He remembers enough, and between the graffiti on his Tardis, and meeting Clara again in the dinner, he has an idea who she is.

Tulf42 I think he faked forgetting her, to let her go. He went through way too much to get her back, broke alot of rules that were important to him. He had to let her go

Chiko was here I think the bad writers just forgot tbh though I like your theory

I always thought the Doctor did forget Clara, but it's more like his memories of her are suppressed, not altogether erased. So the impression she made on him and the lessons he learned from her are still very much a part of him. In random moments like this, it shows.

Kayley Hodson You know the Doctor even confirmed that he remembers the ADVENTURES just NOT Clara herself...

She is, figuratively and literally, the 'song' that will live on through you. Her spirit lives on IN you. I'm sorry for your pain and your loss....it truly is a terrible thing. I've lost people I've loved with all my heart too. But never forget that all the good things she was still lives with YOU. Don't give that up, and live the rest of your life well in her memory....living and creating NEW good things and inspiring people to be good. Because that's what she wants for you.

Praying for you man, hang in there

Why do you think they made the twelve doctor teach us the concept of that

Jesus give people a term and they will over use it. 10 came before 12. he has the memories of that regeneration. he created the screwdriver from his memories of the event of the past. Rivers time line runs in reverse to his. She is a younger River when we see her with 12 than the river we see her with 10. the older doctor gives the younger River the screwdriver and off screen tells her basically, "You must not lose this. Your life will depend on it one day because spoilers." She does as she is told and thus an object passes from his timeline to hers so that she can give his younger self an object he will need.

@@matthewosborne8384 10 saved River with the screwdriver because 12 gave her the screwdriver. But 12 knows how to save River, because he remembers saving River with screwdriver. Who came up with the solution: 10 or 12?

@@mac1991seth 11 more than likely

Also rivers death is a fixed point in history. Her dying does not change. No different to how the doctor save himself from his own death.

Fozzie Bear? Is it you?

The Singing Towers of Derillium were a metaphor for the Doctor and River. No matter how long they are around, even if they don't know it, they will be together. Another way of saying it, without the "Song" from the Singing Towers, they would just be another monolith to be forgotten to time, but once the Song is brought in, the Monolith becomes a sign of Hope.

in different time line in the depth of infinite multiverse blanket there is a thread where the Ponds, Doctor and River have a nice Christmas feast together.

@@jalpat2272 oh it would be so good for them!

24 years,a couple of time traveler’s and a time machine…they are together in every second of eternity

Gave me chills

Yeah, that was awesome - also, I might just be imagining it, but later in the scene the music sounds a little bit "Melody Pond" from Series 6.

she's Amy's daughter, after all. (it's also the "young Amelia" theme from s5)

The extreme end of trying to hold back crying outright. River did say that he cried that night. Capaldi's acting is extremely fantastic right at this moment.

can't handle the "new" Dr WHO. she can't act even a little bit need to get rid of her in a hurry

Well, that went south quickly. Sorry.

She is so bad, and the writing is even worse.

This aged well

@@CrystalFox_64 Quite funny actually, you can see a metric crapton of videos on YT with 9-10-11-12 .. but its almost impossible to find anything with 13. That kind of shows how bad they f'd up in the story writing, no real good moments. Lucky number 13 eh?

I've always been in awe of Murray Gold's work on NuWho. He did amazing work right out the gate but it was during Eleven's run that he truly came into his own talent and started putting out genius-level scoring all the time up until the end of his initial tenure on the show. He's one of the most clever, gifted composers working in film or TV right now.

lepermessiah998 she ages backwards which means that everything that happened with river over the course of David tenant and Matt smith was the 24 years... she is actually gone, a circle complete.

No, I think they should end it here

lepermessiah998 I

lepermessiah998 oops that was an accident :/

I think the last series of Torchwood was so bad that it effectively killed that series.

that would have made an awesome spin off

Now if we ever saw River meet Jack, LOL, can you imagine how the poor Doctor would take to that???

Yeah he did have that sort of slightly flustered vibe as 11 with River. Kind of like the charm of a boy who's in love with someone who loves him back and he doesn't really know what to do with the situation.

I think the episode made it pretty clear that this WAS River's last episode, given that she only knows the Doctor's faces up to 11, and ends on Darillium

biblegirl surprisingly, I'm glad they didn't. Right before you kiss someone tenderly, it's as if time slows down. That tension, matches the theme

Maybe Big Finish will write them. Peter said the other day he wished him and Alex had more episodes together.

Krysle The Punwerful God he and River are time lords for them 25 years are like 2

I am bored .-. I guess

time is relative, 25 years of non-stop adventures runs really fast but when time flows normally, it is slow for time lords. so 25 years doesn't sounds bad at all

Krysle The Punwerful God some people aren't even that lucky. trust me.

@MyShreddedSanity, you must be fun at parties.