Next Tuesday I plan to answer the question of what the book of Acts teaches about Gentile believers and obedience to the Law of Moses. Here’s the first video on the Hebrew Roots movement. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QR7xTYhXEbo.html
Mike Winger keep standing strong brother because here comes everybody out of the woodworks trying to get us to follow the old laws that were meant for a bunch of disobedient Jews. Despite all their miracles (ie: a supernatural rescue from Egypt, pillar of cloud by day and pillar of fire by night, Manna falling from the sky daily, etc.), they still bust out the ole golden calf the second Moses steps away for a minute. God kept having to lay down law after law to get their disobedient butts in line. Tell me why now must I accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior PLUS do all the stuff the old Jews were doing. The very nature of telling me that I have to do BOTH takes away from the ultimate purpose of the Lamb who was slain!!! Satan is definitively behind this Hebrew Roots movement because only Satan would try to use the Bible to make claim that Jesus wasn’t enough. Let us remember what Jesus told the priest and elders who followed the old Jewish law to the T. He said, “Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you.” Mic drop.
Please answer these question by the word of the God of Israel : 1. What was the covenant at Mount Sinai ( ten commandments , statutes and judgments ) ? 2. Who is the covenant between at Mount Sinai ( God the Father and the children of Israel ) ? 3. Who was the mediator of the covenant at Mount Sinai ( Moses ) , and who is the mediator of the covenant now ( Jesus Christ ) ? 4. Did the Father accept the Strangers into this covenant ( Exodus 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn , and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you ; Isaiah 56:6-7 Also the sons of the stranger , that join themselves to the LORD , to serve him , and to love the name of the LORD , to be his servants , every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it , and taketh hold of my covenant ; Even them will I bring to my holy mountain , and make them joyful in my house of prayer : their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar ; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people ; Ephesians 2:11-22 ) ? 5. What is the function of the mediator ( Moses was the husband/protection/covering for the children of Israel when they break the laws of God ( ten commandments , statutes and judgments ) ; and he did it through the Leviticus priesthood - the law of Moses or the law of animal sacrifice for sin - circumcision made by hands - the priests - the law of works ) : ( Jesus Christ is now the husband/protection/covering for the children of Israel when they break the laws of God ( ten commandments , statutes and judgments ) ; and this is by grace ( free gift - his blood ) through faith ( Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing , and hearing by the word of God . You must serve this mediator by faith , repent of your sins by starting to keep the word of God - this is through the priesthood of faith - Melchisedec - the law of faith ) . The Father made the covenant , the mediators intercede between the two parties in the covenant . 6. Does the Father change ( Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD , I change not ; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed ) ? 7. Was the Strangers/Gentiles mention in the promise of God ( Genesis 12:1-3 , Genesis 13:16 , Genesis 15:4-6 , Genesis 17:10-14 , Genesis 22:15-18 , Exodus 20:8-11 , Jeremiah 12:14-17 , Isaiah 2:1-4 , Micah 4:1-3 , Zechariah 2:1-13 , Romans 2:11-15 , 1st Corinthians 9:19-21, Revelation 14:12 ) ? The church is the covenant between the God of Israel and the children of Israel . The God of Israel is no respecter of persons , but he that feareth God and worketh righteousness , he accepts , but only the children of Israel has made a covenant with God ( Romans 2: 12-15 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law : and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law ; ( For not the hearers of the law are just before God , but the doers of the law shall be justified . For when the Gentiles which have not the law , do by nature the things contained in the law , these having not the law are a law unto themselves : which shew the work of the law written in their conscience also bearing witness , and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another ) . People fail to understand that all of the God of Israel commandments are laws , not just the ten commandments ; when God told Adam not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil , that was a law . The ten commandments , statutes and judgments to define the ten commandments given to the children of Israel at Mount Sinai are the laws of God , not Moses . The law of Moses was the law of animal sacrifice and oblations for sin ( remember he is the husband/protection for the people ) ; the law of works ( Romans 3:27 ) . The law of Jesus Christ is the grace ( free gift - his blood ) through faith ( believing , by starting to keep the word of God ) - the law of faith ( Roman 3:28 ) . In Galatians 3:19 , when Paul said the law was added because of transgressions , we must understand what is transgressions ( 1st John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law : for sin is the transgression of the law ) ; so are you saying that the law of God was added because they were breaking the laws of God ; that's an error . The correct statement is : the law of animal sacrifice was added , because they were breaking the laws of God . We are to keep the commandments of the Father , through the faith of the Son ( Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints : here are they that keep the commandments of God , and the faith of Jesus ) . All laws come from the God of Israel , and they are holy and righteous ( He is a righteous/holy God ) ; His covenants are laws , and they are eternal ; He identify what his laws pertains to , all has a purpose . When the covenant people ( children of Israel ) begin to violate the laws given to them ( remember the wages of sin is death ) ; through their husband/protector/mediator Moses , he gave them the sin sacrifice of the flesh ( circumcision made by hands , or the law of animal sacrifice , or the law of Moses ) ; to kept God from killing their body ; not for the forgiveness of the heart/mind/conscience/spirit ; because to serve and obey God , you must live by faith ( repent of your sins with a sorrowful heart , and start believing God by obedience ) . The law of Christ is the sin sacrifice of faith ; because Jesus obeyed the Father's laws completely ( no sins , no death ) ; so he died not for himself , but for all who live by faith through their new husband of faith ( Christ ) ; not by their old husband of works ( Moses ) . The laws of the Father never changed ; Moses gave the children of Israel , the laws of God on tables of stone , and written in ink in the book of the covenant , but the people did not believe ( obedience by obeying his laws ) : While Jesus Christ put the laws of God in our hearts/mind/conscience/spirit ; because you cannot come under this mediator blood , until you start believing his word that he received from the Father ( Deuteronomy 18:15-19 , " The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee , of thy brethren , like unto me ; unto him ye shall hearken ; According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly , saying , Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God , neither let me see this great fire anymore , that I die not . And the LORD said unto me , They have well spoken that which they have spoken . I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren , like unto thee , and I will put my words in his mouth ; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him . And it shall come to pass , that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name , I will require it of him " ) . In Matthew 5:17-19 , Jesus said that he came not to destroy the law or the Prophets , but he came to fulfill the law and the Prophets . He also stated that till heaven and earth pass away , one jot or one tittle of the law will in do wise pass frm the law , until all is fulfilled . Is all fulfilled of the law ? NO ! ( Isaiah 66:15-17 , " For , behold , the LORD will come with fire , and with his chariots like a whirlwind , to render his anger with fury , and his rebuke with flames of fire . For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh : and the slain of the LORD shall be many . They that sanctify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst , eating swine's flesh , and the abomination , and the mouse , shall be consumed together , saith the LORD " ) . Heaven and earth is still here , and all has not been fulfilled ; so the law remains the same . Jesus later explained the statement he made in Matthew 5:17-19 , in Luke 24:44-45 , after his resurrection ( Luke 24:44-45 , " And he said unto them , These are the words which I spake unto you , while I was yet with you , that all things must be fulfilled , which were written in the law of Moses , and in the Prophets , and in the Psalms , concerning me . Then opened he their understanding , that they might understand the scriptures " ) . Finally , Jesus Christ came in the flesh for two major reasons : 1. To be an atonement for our sins , and 2. Completion of the words of the Father , to get eternal life . Question , Did Adam have eternal life in the garden of Eden , or was he learning how to get it from the tree of life ? Answer , he was learning before he ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil ; so why are we not required to keep the laws of God now ? Jesus Christ has redeemed or justified us back to the time of Adam , before he transgressed the laws of God . We have never heard the Father's voice , or seen his shape at any time ; so the same one that was instructing Adam , is the same one that came in the flesh . When Adam violated his instruction , or the Father's commandments , or law , he fell into sin ; likewise , when we disobey the Father's commandments that Jesus gives us , we fall into sin ( 1st John 2::1-7 ) . Jesus said it best : Matthew 24:13 , " But he that shall endure unto the end , the same shall be saved " ; until your death or the return of the Messiah . Shalom !
Gentiles were never obligated to keep all of the Laws given at Sinai. They were obligated to keep 6 Laws before the flood, with a new category (no animal cruelty) being given to Noah in Gen 9. The Noahide Covenant. These 7 categories of Law are for every human being. The first is No Idolatry. Yet you guys break the very first Law. The Creator refers to his covenant with Noah as “an everlasting covenant” which means it is eternal. It has no end. Was G-d lying? It became ok to worship a man as G-d, or his son, just like the Greek pagans (and many other wiped out civilizations) in your “new covenant”? No thanks. And I hope you will start reading he Bible in page 1 like every other book in the world. You might as well believe in Zeus and his kids with human mothers. God made other covenants but none of them ever said it was ok to break the original Noahide Covenant. And idolatry is the thing that the Creator hates the most. Not to mention jc doesn’t fit the criteria of the Messiah. Look at the list! That’s why they made up the concept of a second coming, which has no biblical basis.
Minute Ministry Gentiles were never expected to keep the Laws given at Sinai. They are bound by the 6 Laws given before the flood and the one about animal cruelty given to Noah after the flood. 7 Laws total which make up the “everlasting/eternal covenant” The Creator made with Noah and every human being on Earth to this day. No idol worship. No blasphemy. No sexual immorality, no theft, no murder, no animal abuse, create courts of justice. Notice how none of the covenants made later in the Bible say it’s ok to break any of those laws. And they still stand today. Except the Christians and their new Greek pagan covenant which says idol worship is ok now. Apparently they think the creator of the u inverse was lying when he said it was is “an eternal covenant”.
Lea Paton thank you this information. I didn’t realize that the Hebrew Roots movement was against the worship of Jesus because He is not God the Father. Interesting. I’m learning all sorts of stuff. However, I will have to kindly disagree because I do believe that we are supposed to worship the Son of God as I stated in another comment string to you.
Hello! I cannot tell you how much this video series is helping me. My parents have started transitioning our family into HRM doctrines and I have been distressed and confused. I prayed this morning for clarity. You have been the answer to my prayers! You have blessed me so much! Thank you, thank you, thank you!!
I´ll share this 3 scenarios: 1) Seprent vs human. Gen 3 Strategy: Make believe God lied. “Has God indeed said,........“You will not surely die. Purpose: disobedience 2) Lying prophet vs real prophet 1 King 13 Strategy: Make you think God changed his mind v18 “I too am a prophet as you are, and an angel spoke to me by the word of the Lord, saying, ‘Bring him back with you to your house, that he may eat bread and drink water.’ ” (He was lying to him.) Purpose: disobedience This one showed the BEST RESULTS for christianity 3) Sathan vs Jesus Matt 4 Strategy: Use one part of the Scriptures to make you disobey other "IT IS WRITTEN" v5 Then the devil took Him up into the holy city, set Him on the pinnacle of the temple, 6 and said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down. For it is written: ‘He shall give His angels charge over you,’ Purpose: Disobedience This is the one we live at the momento. PAUL SAID..... Apostles said in Act 15.... Even preachers and teachers like this, with a very good ellaborated doctrine. and even if they did.... I´d take the apostles advice Acts 5:29 New King James Version 29 But Peter and the other apostles answered and said: “We ought to obey God rather than men. If the doctrine you are hearing result in disobedience, I may consider is not God behind it... Blessings and may the Lord brin clarity
Essentially it comes down to what is sin. The scripture says sin is the transgressing of the law. Which law? The HR people interpret scripture differently than most modern denominations, and I would say they make compelling cases. Is it still sin to break God’s commandments? When did the scripture say that the law is done away with?
@@SDreamchaser1990 David didn't seemed very weighed down by the law. "I will always obey your law, for ever and ever. I will walk about in freedom, for I have sought out your precepts. for I delight in your commands because I love them. Psalms 119:44-45, 47"
@@etherealwave991 David was a Jew and was therefore under the Law of Moses. It has no application for anyone else. The Law became obsolete at the crucifixion of Jesus at which point the New Covenant came into operation. The NC is a Covenant of grace, not one of Law or works.
Mike thank you so much for this teaching! I'm a new believer and I've been juggling these concepts and asking for more and more clarity and understanding. I've come to realize that we are not to follow the law of Moses, but rather the commandments of Jesus and humbly serve the kingdom with unconditional love. This video really helps to solidify that understanding and explain some of the scriptures I was still uncertain about. God bless!
I couldn't finish watching half of this video. And I've alredy seen how Mike Winger Twisted the words of the scriptures, and gives what he thinks is the meaning of the words in his own opinion, as if his opinion were authority over the meaning of the scriptures themselves. This is what humans have done with the word of God, Not only gentiles but also prophets and scribs, etc. Showing just natural human condition when they find something they are not willing to obey. Humans will twist, alter, water down, and manipulate the meaning of the instructions of GOD to their own understanding and personal interst, but will not seek GOD'S GIVEN porpose and meaning for his word from GOD'S owns understanding, Which we can find written in the whole bible. If we Just pay carefufull and close attention and remove our own human idiosyncrasy biased.
The commandments of Jesus is directly from the Torah- Gods instructions for living AKA the Law GIVEN to Moses? Jesus arrested the pharisees and saducees for distorting the Law, NOT for following it!
I have been studying the book of Hebrews online with the Jewish Awareness Ministries (a Jewish evangelism ministry). It has taken over a year to go through the entire book of Hebrews. The context of the entire book of Hebrews is Jesus Is Greater.
Thank you so much for this video. I'm an Ex Seventh day Adventist and this is a message I pray all of my SDA family and friends could watch and UNDERSTAND. I've also made a few videos about some of the SDA beliefs. But this video of yours is so ON POINT!
I think you are missing a very key point to Matthew 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. “Till heaven and earth pass away”, where do we see these words spoken again? Revelation 21:1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. “ for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away.” Therefore the law is still relevant today and is not fulfilled until Christs judgement. People need to test everything against the scriptures and not because man tells them what to think and believe.
@@rocco9611 yeah.. what the pastor said about context totally flew over your head eh? By your logic the one who showed Peter about how not to call what He has cleaned to be unclean in his dream of a net of uncleaned food, is not God then? For at that moment, God certainly told Peter that the law on dietary uncleanliness and its application, because of the sacrifice of Jesus, has changed. Idiocy needs to know some limit
@@Jinkypigs How brotherly of you calling me an idiot. I wonder what YHWH thinks about that? Now as for Peter’s vision of unclean food, Jesus did not die on the cross to make all things clean. Remember Peter was instructed 3 times to rise, kill and eat to which Peter retorts,” By no means, LORD; for I have never eaten anything common or unclean”. This is followed by YHWH saying, “ What YHWH has cleansed call it not common”. At the time Peter doubted himself as to the meaning of the vision. Now this is important, Cornelius sent 3 men to call on Peter. Peter as all Jews of the time considered gentiles to be common and unclean. After Peter went to Joppa and met with Cornelius who was a Roman centurion, he understood the visions meaning. Peter said this, “ You know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath showed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.” Call any man common or unclean, this is about humans and not about unclean animals or creeping things now becoming clean and considered food. Much love and blessings.
@@rocco9611. That is complete rubish and a twisting of the text to make Dr. Kellogg your master. Peter argues he has never eaten unclean things and has been kosher his entire life. You twist the table cloth filled with unclean food into not associating with Gentiles. That's pathetic but GOD saw your antichrist cult coming along time ago. The table cloth with unclean things comes down and JESUS commands Peter to kill and eat. Your rubbish would be CHRIST commanding Peter to kill Cornelus than eat his flesh. See how your lies turn grotesqe when you apply Ellen's lies to the text. Anyways, HE saw your lesser light and gave us Acts 11:2. More than two witnesses testified Peter did eat non-kosher unclean creepy things. End of argument. While were in Acts 10 your antichrist cult say baptism first then the HOLY SPIRIT will enter us. Your cult also forbids water until a new believer accepts EGW and the 28 articals. The Cornelius group were anready SPIRIT filled before water baptism. Your inspired lesser light got it wrong. She was pathetic in the WORD and was commanded to learn in silence, seek her husband to teach her and never usurp a man's authority. Your cult is in disobedience to GOD by giving her all authority even over your male scholars who disagreed and voiced their truth only to be fired and excommunicated. very common cult tactic.
If someone fulfills the obligations of your mortgage contract by paying it off, then we'd think you were insane if you kept acting as if it were still obligatory, and if you kept paying checks to the mortgage company.
but this is not what happened, Israel stopped paying the mortage. Then they almost went to jail because of the debt, a man came and pay the debt, and they need to pay the rest until they live here.
This example is misleading. It’s more like you committed a crime or slavery, born to serving the sentence. Jesus provided the rest of the story of law as well as providing the means to put an end to future slavery. Like do you have all the books in a popular series? If you don’t have the final book you’re still left wondering. If your order came in 3 shipments, your order isn’t fulfilled until you get all three boxes. But the boxes (the law of the prophets) aren’t taken from you, you now have everything you need. If it was done away with, you’d have no sin, no reason for Jesus, if there’s no law, we can’t see how much isn’t unattainable for us and then know we need God to provide the solution. It has to remain otherwise the cross is for nothing.
Rebecca S. You’re saying things that are true, but unrelated to the specific issue. The issue is wheteher we’re in debt to the Law once we’re in Christ. The debt’s been fully paid. But the Law still has a place, especially for the unbeliever, in convicting of sin. The Law leads us to Christ. “We know that the Law is good, if one uses it properly.” “The Law has become our guardian to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. Right now that Faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian. For you are all sons and daughters of God through faith in Christ Jesus.”
I know this is old but Mike I just want you to know I am LOVING this series and also your Roman Catholic series. Your expressions when talking about Jesus and how when he was young he was asking so many questions just had me so giddy. God bless you mike 💙
"For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ." John 1:17. "Has not Moses given you the Law? Yet not one of you keeps it. Why are you trying to kill Me?” John 7:19.
If we truly are in Christ Jesus and are willing to obey the Spirit, we will have an even more complete law than that of Moses. Meaning that obedience to the teachings of the Spirit will even teach things there is no law written for.
Hi there TP. If we are truly in Christ then we can call ourselves followers. Jesus very early on in his ministry stated that he hadn't come to do away with the law or the prophets and that anyone who broke even the least of the commandments and taught others to do so would be the least in the kingdom of God. You probably go to a church that teaches that Paul claims the law was done away with. Surely according to Jesus own words, this would make Paul one of the least in the kingdom. So by extension why would you follow Pauls teachings and not Jesus's? the following verse is worth pondering Matt 5:17-19 Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished. 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
@@nzsurfer well said! If we were to say the name of the Messiah in English, it would be Joshua. I call Him by His Hebrew name, Yahushua. But right on man! In the right direction indeed.
Thank you so much for your ministry Mike. I’m a new believer and I’ve heard and seen so many in recent years say we need to be following the laws. I asked God for clarity and I ended up getting this in my suggestion to watch and I read Galatians where Paul talks about the law. I know God brought me to you and choosing to read Galatians. Your thoughtfulness in this has helped except the freedom of Christ.
Excited for you on your journey of learning and trusting God! In all these things about the laws, just remember that we can never be righteous because of anything we could ever do. God gives us grace and salvation, a gift from him that we could never earn. We do not have to follow specific laws in order to receive salvation. But we have been given ways to live and examples throughout the bible of how to live well to honor God, and some of these laws can help us follow him and know him better. For example, keeping a weekly Sabbath could never give us salvation, because we have already received that through Christ, but it is a free gift to set our lives in the weekly rhythm he created, to pause our business and rest in his peace. The other 9 commandments are more obvious. When people get caught up on exactly how we are supposed to live, it often gets really legalistic, like they're forgetting we don't have to earn salvation. We GET TO live our lives with Christ and lean on him for everything. So if you're getting confused hearing someone's teaching on laws, just remember they were given to us to help us honor God and lean on him. We have the gift of the holy spirit to help us discern these things, and I doubt any one of us has it all figured out. If you feel like some teaching is off, either it is or you're wrong - pray about it, talk to friends, pray for the holy spirit to lead you to how God wants you to follow him. Many Catholics are saved, many charismatics are saved...there are so many ways to practice your faith and honor God. Enjoy your journey! I love learning more every day. Also, I just heard this - how to pray? Lots of us christians jump into asking for things. Ok. Don't we want a relationship with Jesus? I want to know him more. When I have a friend or spouse, I want to know that person, maybe I'll ask for help, but I want more than anything to know them. I've recently thought about that and started praying more like that, it's interesting. I feel such a yearning to know God and, like, be friends. Anyway, I just got excited to see you're new in believing so I had to share. 🙄
I understand that “To fulfil and abolish the law” was rabbinic augmentation back in the day (David Biven, ‘understanding the difficult words of Jesus’) And basically He was saying, ‘I did not come to misinterpret the law, (destroy) but to interpret (fulfil) it correctly.” Obviously when He chastised the Pharisees’ manmade traditions he accused them of abolishing Gods commands in favor of their traditions.
Your right its so easy ,why would he live a life of righteousness because he kept the law ,so now without the law ,what is Christ righteousness that these people claim they have ?
@@thedisciple5115 I always think of Matthew 7:21-23 for these people. It's so weird. I remember from a pastor who preached that some christians now "believe in Jesus, but live like demons". Altogether, the bible even says sin is the transgression of the Law of God right? In other words, lawlessness. So then why that now we are in Christ, we become more lawless than we were back when we were following our flesh? I think the problem is, people don't understand the Law and Covenants. They also don't understand the purpose of the priesthood and the High Priest most especially. And above all, these commandments of God are just holding them back from their fleshy desires. Like the Sabbath and the food Laws.
@@bryanyawn your right,its actually bad,the food laws alone. The seventh day sabbath, is so clear,these commandments are so easy to keep.instead they do exact opposite saying christ set them free.i started at sunday church, after clearly seeing The Seventh-Day Sabbath in the Bible, seeing what Abomination pork is to God, I learned something new and was obedient. Christmas has a horrible roots to it. yet its these people won't dare give up that holiday, yes it is like their disobedient,definitely not the jesus of the bible they are serving. don't know if you did research on the holidays, most have Pagan roots to it, so now I keep holy days,"feasts". SHALOM
@@thedisciple5115 SHALOM Brother! His Shalom is very evident among His people. Yes, i know about the pagan holidays. I condone none of them anymore. Whatever is not in the feasts that God declares, i do not celebrate. I'm only beginning to observe His feasts. In the coming season, I pray, as the the Spirit of the Word of God through His son Jesus leads. I pray that the Lord guide us even more as we prepare for His kingdom.
Christ is truly using you. I appreciate your enthusiasm and excitement for the Word. You are clear, specific and provide proof in context. I have been struggling with my family and their shift of the doctrine which they raised us to believe. It did not sit well with my heart, and I have been searching and praying for answers.
Amen! Jesus said he would fulfill the law and the prophets. If you believe Moses, you would believe me, because he spoke about me. Acts 13:29 KJV - And when they had FULFILLED ALL that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre. Not one jot nor tittle will pass TILL ALL IS FULFILLED.
All is fulfilled at His second coming, not His death at the cross. Jesus came to become our High Priest and to be our last sacrifice in preparation for His second coming. Hebrews 10:5-10 Therefore, when Christ enters into the world, He says, “Sacrifice and offering You have not desired, But [instead] You have prepared a body for Me [to offer]; In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin You have taken no delight. “Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come To do Your will, O God- [To fulfill] what is written of Me in the scroll of the book.’” After saying [in the citation] above, “You have neither desired, nor have You taken delight in sacrifices and offerings and whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin” (which are offered according to the Law) then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will.” [And so] He does away with the first [covenant as a means of atoning for sin based on animal sacrifices] so that He may inaugurate and establish the second [covenant by means of obedience]. And in accordance with this will [of God] we [who believe in the message of salvation] have been sanctified [that is, set apart as holy for God and His purposes] through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed) once for all. Hebrews is really misunderstood when it's says the first covenant is growing old and ready to disappear. Nothing is done away with yet, not until revelation 21 1-4 has happened. That verse tells us that at the new heaven and earth the former order of life (the Law) has passed, which reflects Matthew 5 saying that the heaven and earth would pass before anything passes from the Law.
That's very poor exegesis. Heaven and Earth didn't pass away, why would you think "all" was accomplished at the cross? What about "all" that he spoke of concerning the end times, not to mention all that has and will occur until then?
Compare the Greek from John 19, which you used, against Revelation 21:1-6. If everything were fulfilled, why hadn't Pentecost already happened before Yeshua's death? Doesn't make sense? Even Revelation is accomplished? Are you a preterist?
@@xceptioncreations8595 All was fulfilled at the cross what was of him. The heaven and earth passing was symbolized as the law passing in destruction of the temple. That was the heaven and earth passing. The death on the cross was what started it. The new covenant was in forced then but they were not ready to give their sacrifices of animals just yet. 😁😊😉
I watch your translation videos bc I do translation work. I'm also a synagogue president. I'm not going to give an opinion on Christian theology, but will say we get Hebrew roots people coming in wanting to convert on a nearly annual basis. We're always happy to accept people, but they are usually sad folks who've estranged themselves from their families and are coming to us bc of tortured logical twists rather than any real knowledge of the Jewish faith. My standing order to our congregational rabbi is, for pastoral reasons, before embarking on any conversion program, to ask them to read books on Christian history that walk them from the apostles to the apostolic fathers to the church fathers showing who's who's student so they see there's no mysterious break in history where the Church ceased being Jewish and became Paganized, which is one of their beliefs. Otherwise they end up shattered people stuck in a religion they don't really want to be part of bc they felt another religion wanted them to do that. It's a disaster.
That is well and thoughtfully said. While as a Christian, I pray that our Hebrew brothers come to believe that Jesus Christ is the true Messiah, I understand that this is something that they must be led to by the Spirit of God. I feel very sorry for the HRM people, it does seem they have been drawn into error. And while I know that many leave the faith of Christ and convert to Judaism, I don't think that will solve anything. To a Christian, all of the scriptures point clearly to the truth of the Lord Jesus the Christ and the truth of His plain and simple Gospel of salvation through faith in His atonement for our sins. So simple that a child can understand it, yet so profound that it can be examined by the wise and serve to strengthen their faith. I thank you for your kindness and thoughtfulness to these poor people, and pray that you also may come to know Jesus. 🙏✝️👑🙏
Well that is absolutely false. The Jewish Christian schism was hard-lined at 135ad, the end of the Judeo-Roman wars. We see the political solidification of those cultural differences happen in the 300AD's.
It isn't complicated. Jesus came not to destroy (because the law isn't bad) but to FULFILL. When something has been fulfilled it's done, finished. Christians are -in- Christ so we have been given HIS completed life to wear. He didn't tear up the test, so to speak, he finished it and got 100% and his grade is now applied to us.
And if they once having that test accredited to them by grace through faith and turn to works filthy rags self righteousness what sacrifice remains without bringing Christ to open shame None. That's what the conclusion is denying Christ and being damned without a way to get back They take christs perfect test throw it away go grab theirs and fail for ever
I think that one of the biggest error that believers who reject the Law make is that they misunderstand the Hebrew words for: olah - translated as burnt instead of ascent korban - translated as offering instead of approach mincha - translated as grain instead of present kippur - translated as atonement instead of covering moed - translated as feast instead of appointment shema - translated as hear (or more often as obey) instead of listen intently with understanding in order to give a considered response shemar - translated as keep (as in observe or obey) instead of guard and protect If we believe that a burnt offering (olah korban) is a slaughtered animal, we have completed misunderstood what is meant by an ascent approach. The ascent is to go up before God and the approach is a specific way to do so like an approach to an airport runway. If you miss the approach, you will miss the runway. I think all God-fearing believers will admit that drawing close to God is still in effect. So the problem arises in the approach. Again, if we think that the blood of bulls or goats is sufficient to remove sin, we are in error. Only through the blood of Jesus shall we ascend unto Him. Before Jesus made the kippur (the sinless act that binds us with God as bitumen or asphalt binds to whatever it is placed on), believers could only look forward to that day. The slaughtering of the animals most closely represented what God would do through Jesus on the cross. After the crucifixion, the approach is still through the blood of Jesus. And that is why we do not slaughter animals, but we still attend to an ascent approach. This is not trivial. I know it sounds like I am picking and choosing which commands to follow, adhering to the word in Hebrews 8-9 in regard to the blood, but that is because our part in the covenant was never about the slaughter of animals. It was only about the ascent approach. We still have an ascent approach and it is still only through Jesus and His blood. We are told that if we love Jesus, we are to "obey" His commandments in John 14:15 that is congruent with shemar shema as we read in Deuteronomy 12:28. Believers say that it only refers to the 2 greatest commandments or maybe 9 of the 10 commandments (accurately translated as words). However, we do not have to rescind the Older Testament if we properly translate that to mean "to guard and protect" His commandments (or words). The prescribed ways that pre-crucifixion believers listened intently with understanding was to try to see how killing of an innocent animal could bind them to God. Our observance of His appointments (moedim) is a blessing when we see all that He has done and all that He promises to do that is best represented by the Feast of Tabernacles (sukkot) such as bringing a new (8th) day (shemini atzeret) after our temporary dwellings (sukkot) are worn out. Believers who reject guarding and protecting the instructions of Torah because they think that it is "Law" that comes with commands and penalties misunderstand that Torah is simply instructions to help us live a life that is pleasing to God by listening intently with understanding to His words and giving a considered response.
Hi Mike, I would like to re-extend my invite to you to come on my channel (or I can guest appear on your channel - either way) for a discussion about the Law of God. We can discuss the larger over-arching context of what YHWH defines as His Law and what the disciples taught about it in their epistles. I appreciate your conviction and what you're hoping to present, but there are some rather large ideas you've not addressed in this livestream tonight. I will be glad to comment (and more importantly exegete from the Torah) on Hebrews chapter 8-11 with you. I'm willing to discuss your main points with you as I've already offered in my initial FB message to you last month. Obviously, the comment section on your video isn't the appropriate place for it, but thankfully we both have channel's for our viewers to be edified. I know you previously said I can use your videos in a rebuttal, but I feel that would only increase the divide and strain the acquaintance. Bless you, brother.
I would love to see this happen. There are many rather large ideas he has missed. We can't make him see it, we can't make anyone see it, it can only come from the Father. I hope this discussion does happen so that people can see the truth and that they will soften their hearts and necks.
Large ideas? The main core of the hebrew roots movement has been debunked on this video, and you're still talking about large ideas that were missed? Can't bielive it!
@@carlosdavidcapellan See if you can "debunk" these Scriptures presented in context listed in this short video below. Walk in love, brother. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-h9fvbsbUkag.html
@@carlosdavidcapellan Paul calls them judaizers trying to bewitch the brethren. You can debunk them with a mountain of scripture and they remain blinded. Notice he quotes none of his "large Ideals", very typical of cults to accuse and never profess.
I didn't even realise I was heading down the hebrew roots path...I KNOW we are saved by faith ALONE, I was just wanting to be obedient to the 10 commandments, relaxed, informal Sabbath keeping too (used as time to spend with my husband and son, reading the bible together and breaking bread together). I'm not sure what I do now...I feel a bit weird. I accept what I've heard here but I really like being obedient 🤪🤣 I've always walked in my faith with love and respect and always known that I'm not earning my way to heaven, that comes from Jesus' work on the cross...but also I've held the 10 commandments in high regard as I negotiate my days (I've only been born again for 3 years).
I am Hebraic Roots. Enjoyed your 1st teaching. I,ve enjoyed a number of your teachings. Now it hits home. To be clear, I don't believe I should be obeying Moses's laws. I want to obey God's Ways which I believe supercedes Moses.
I have found this topic a non stop search among others also. When we read scripture like these saying things like my law will be in their hearts and minds or within his people, or that we must worship in spirit and truth, and since the law is referred to as the truth, it is sure we are at least under some sort of law of the Most High. One terrifying scripture could be "depart from me you who work iniquity or lawlessness". I spirituality have found comfort in that I have found myself and others in a constant search for what is the law or even better what is it that our Lord expects of us. In the true desire to please the one true God, this devotion should turn into a lifelong, maybe you could say quest or search, of Scriptures other people's and our own Revelation, testing spirits, non stop prayer and fasting and studying to show thyself approved, improving the walk, and keeping the greatest of the commands (loving God and thy neighbor)causes those who truly seek to grow closer to an answer may find even better, a relationship with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, to where his sheep will begin to actually hear his voice and become his "friends" John 15:14 for keeping his commands and acting in Faith. It is truly amazing to see the hearts of his children seeking him, because he called us first. My advise simply would be do more if you possibly can and seek his face with all you have, lose your life for his namesake, and remember other brothers and sisters may be at a different place than us but we all make up one body, so love and encourage each other as Christ did and does for us. Our Father has always wanted a people who seek to be his people and he will be our God. Love the Lord God with all your heart, mind, body, and spirit, all the rest will follow. Much love to you in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Be strong and of good courage!
I know this is an old comment, but I have a few tears from it. So well said. I recently started down the path of Hebrew Roots, and was really getting deep into their teaching, all out of the desire to obey God and draw closer to Him. It seems to me that any way that the world is going is the opposite direction that we should be going, so the whole "set apart" theme of their teaching struck home. However, it has caused me a touch of inner turmoil with feelings I have toward other Christians who don't agree, and that can't be right. The heart of Christ would have me feel love, not feelings of lofty spirituality above others. I then saw a video discussing the core beliefs of 119 and possible Unitarianism, and here I am back with Mike Winger 🙂. I agree with you, that the constant search and desire to please God (and draw closer to Him) is a comfort, and my heart rejoices to see so many more on that/THE path these days. May God bless you, Kris, and anyone else who reads this.
This is a very timely teaching for me as I just read Acts 15 last month for the first time and found solace in it. I was so encouraged by what I read, I eagerly shared it with my wife, mom, and a small group of men from my church (so I got to preach a little... Yay!). The Holy Spirit in us will lead us along paths of righteousness for His name's sake. However, for external boundaries (law) for the Gentiles, the Church founders present these: Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God, but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood. Acts 15:19-20 ESV
@@DanielLynds why do Christians fight so hard against keeping God's law it's unbelievable to me. Please tell me what acts 15:21 means if they went to the synagogue every Sabbath from listening to them preach about Moses what were they learning. The Bible is like a puzzle you have to put together read acts 13:42-44. I guarantee you they wouldn't let nothing about Sunday worship Christmas Easter Good Friday none of that
Hosea 4:6 " my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou has rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee. That thou shall be no priest to me: seeing thou Hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children."..... " remember the Sabbath to keep it holy"
@@ejuniorc09pkm sin is transgression against the law, it's that simple. I'm a ex Christian pastor ,I understand where you're coming from. Paul's writings are easy to misinterpret, God's laws not bondage, it just tells us what sin is, and not to do it.Mike Winger is a false teacher. Hes more like a devil to me. The damage he's doing to young believers.when you get into the Sabbath, you start looking into Israel itself, Christ was a Jew, you see how precious God is, then you understand Paul is not going against God's work. There's a reason why christ is still the lion from the tribe of Judah in the Book of Revelations. SHALOM
@@thedisciple5115 nope, as a Gentile, I agree with the man in the video. The Law of Moses came into existance at a certain time for a certain people but even Gentiles were accountable to God for certain sins which did not involve the Mosaic Law. This means that there are laws of God concerning righteousness apart from the Mosaic Law which came at a specific time.
I so much appreciate all the time and effort that each one of your videos must take. They are loaded with much to study and contemplate. May you always feel God's loving hands in all you do, Thanks from Canada.
Glad to hear a church that believes in Once Saved Always Saved. I’m S. Baptist in denomination so I heard that a lot and believe it. God bless you faithful pastors and teachers.
My dear brothers and sisters.... I've come to the conclusion that very few Hebrew Roots/Messianic/Puritan adherents are truly willing to consider the validity of their theology... my recommendation is to not get into long debates with them when they prove to be closed off to the possibility of their error... ESPECIALLY if they become hostile and accusational. I personally have made this mistake... it's EXHAUSTING, and it's probably contrary to appropriate correction or witnessing. Know when to walk away... know when you are casting pearls before swine... know when truth is falling on deaf ears. You speak truth, let the Spirit convict. Those who truly seek the truth will find it. All of Paul's writings are pretty clear on their error... Hebrews make their error CRYSTAL clear. So, speak the truth in love, but know when your conversation has become unfruitful... just plant the seed and leave it to the Lord.
I hear you on this point, but I don’t think his message is for those who are not open to teaching, but it’s for those that can understand the rational presented by 119 Ministries. It’s great that Mark is able to explain verse by verse. I personally have been struggling with this doctrine and I’ve found that when I’ve asked questions, genuinely seeking to understand, the response I’ve received from “traditional” Christians is simply that scripture is being twisted with no explanation beyond that included. While content like this may fall on many deaf ears, it’s message is still reaching someone!
Thank you that was a very good exposé. I’m so glad you’ve covered this!!! Clearing all the confusion out. I’ve recently came across a Hebrew roots movement on RU-vid and I didn’t realise it until I started digging into their core believes. At the beginning I really enjoyed and was very blessed by their great teachings on Old Testament truths, I wanted to know more about the Hebrew foundation of the gospel and I found great answers on their channel, and I just thought to ignore some of the things they say or do (follow Shabbat etc) thinking it was minor since they still believe in Jesus as Messiah so that’s ok. But some specific things kept reoccurring in the teachings and I had to dig deeper, I realised they believe in a certain interpretation of the ‘two sticks’ doctrine based on Ezekiel 37. It basically says that God (Yah as they say) is reuniting the descendants of the tribe of Judah and the lost 10 tribes (Ephraim) and they teach that all believers are in fact descendants from the lost tribes of Israel that were scattered around the world and that God is bringing them back to the truth and to the Torah! They teach that there’s an awakening around the world of many people coming to understand their Jewish ancestry and coming back to the Torah. They went as far as saying that Paul’s epistle have not been interpreted properly, that when he wrote about bringing the Jews and the gentiles together as one new man he meant the Tribe of Judah and Ephraim (the 10 lost tribes) meaning that the gentiles Paul was talking about are the descendants of Ephraim. They have built a (convincing) case to prove that the Jews scattered around the world and are in all the nations. Even if it’s true that many of us have Jewish roots, that kind of teaching ends up being exclusive to a certain genetic group of people or ethnicity which is so NOT the Gospel. Didn’t’ Jesus die for everyone? What happened to whosoever believes ? This kind of teachings play with your mind. The channels teaches truths and mixes it with a portion of lies, and even if the portion of lies is only a part of it, it corrupts everything. They keep bringing back this doctrine at every corner. One of things that also made me start to wonder is that even though they acknowledge Yeshua as the Messiah they don’t speak much of Him, don’t seem to exalt Him more than that, don’t talk much of what He’s accomplish and who He is. The lies are so subtle. I didn’t know about the Hebrew roots movement until now. I knew something wasn’t right but couldn’t put my finger on it until I checked their cores believes. I think people are blessed when they understand truths about the Old Testament and how it connects to the New Testament with the foreshadowings of Jesus, but the deception is to stop there and to start living the Old Testament and the Jewish way again instead of realising Jesus fulfilled it all. I’m so glad the Holy Spirit opened my eyes in time. We need to know the Word of God for ourselves! Thanks again Mike and God bless you. *the channel I’m talking about is ‘Assembly of called-out Believers’ with teacher Isaac Heckman*.
great share Ruby. Thanks. for all my teen years I was fed good teaching from the Word at a Full Gospel Church but they taught big on British Israel(ism) which is not right. Your description of what you were being taught at the HeBR church sounds very very much like the British Israel doctrine. Glad you came out of that. It MUst be all about Jesus and who He is and what He has done; He has taken us out of the Law and we now belong to Him. This is what Paul says in chap 7 of Romans v1-4. It is what he means when by the Holy Spirit he says that we are not our own - we have been bought with a price (Jesus blood) 1 Cor 6. And we are not under the Law of Moses but under the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus - which has made us free from the Law of Sin and Death (which is what the Law of Moses was) - Romans 8:1-2. Abide in Jesus and go on growing up in Him to teh fulness of he measure of the staure of Christ - Ephesians 4:13.
@@ianmcdonald8648 thank you for your reply. My comment is quite long so I wondered if anyone would read it! Lol. Yes it’s all about Jesus and if we truly seek Him and not a carnal Christianity pleasing our flesh or justifying our believes or certain doctrines, He will set us free from deception. The deception is rampant out there, the devil knows God’s Word and he uses it to play with our minds and leads us away from the truth. Bless you Ian.
Here is the thing, the difference between the Christian and the Hebrew Roots, followers of Yahusha. The Natsarene(Hebrew roots) follow the teachings of Yahusha. The Christian follows the teaching of the church. That is the difference. You would expect that should be the same as they are both based on the teachings of the Bible. Wrong! The Natsarene does follow the teaching of Messiah Yahusha. And the Christian follows the teaching of Jesus/church. What is the difference? Scripture says we must follow the example of our Messiah. 1Pe 2:21 For to this you were called, because Messiah also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps, And what did our Hebrew Messiah of the Bible do? He kept the Commands of Moses. So then we should too? That is what the Word of the Father says! Here is the kicker, the church say they follow the Bible, But they don’t follow the teaching and example of our Hebrew Messiah from the Bible. Let us look at it from another angle. What does our Father say about Himself? He says HE NEVER CHANGES! Mal 3:6 “For I am יהוה, I shall not change, and you, O sons of Ya‛aqoḇ, shall not come to an end. He says, He will not changes what He said NOR His Covenant(10 commandments)! Psa 89:34 “I shall not profane My covenant, Neither would I change what has gone out from My lips. Our Father is UNCHANGEABLE! Heb 6:17 In this way Elohim, resolving to show even more clearly to the heirs of promise the unchangeableness of His purpose, confirmed it by an oath, There is NO shadow of change in Him! Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no change, nor shadow of turning. He also said, His WORD may not be changed at all!(Rev 22:18&19) Deu 4:2 “Do not add to the Word which I command you, and do not take away from it, so as to guard the commands of יהוה your Elohim which I am commanding you. AND He said the ALL Scripture applies: 2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is breathed out by Elohim and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for setting straight, for instruction in righteousness, 2Ti 3:17 that the man of Elohim might be fitted, equipped for every good work. So according to the Word of our Heavenly Father, the conclusion is…. Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the entire matter: Fear Elohim and guard His commands, for this applies to all mankind! So how exactly did the church get it right to change the Father and Son’s Name? How did they change the Sabbath? How did they change and got rid of the Scriptural feasts? How did unclean food suddenly become clean? How did circumcision disappear? Because they are servant of the one they obey(and that is not the Father nor Messiah): Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the entire matter: Fear Elohim and guard His commands, for this applies to all mankind! And they do NOT obey The Father Yahuah nor the Son Yahusha. If they did really Love Him, they would ….. Joh 14:15 “If you love Me, you shall guard My commands.
If anyone of you really want Truth you have to search for it, advice dont go to church, they have some of the truth, but half the truth is still a lie 💯📖 facts are that the Torah is part of the new covenant, look up Jeremiah 31:33 in the Hebrew, book of Hebrews quotes that very scripture, Messiah himself said heaven and earth would pass before anything perished from the Torah Mathew 5:17-20, Messiah kept the Torah perfectly and said follow Me i have laid before you the perfect example, sadly people want to take away from the Father's perfect Torah, dont fall for it, NO ONE has the authority to do so , not even the Son that's why he said I do nothing of myself, of course we don't keep the Torah to earn salvation, it is the Father's instructions and will for our lives, we can only be justified through the Blood of Messiah Yeshua , but do we continue in sin that grace may abound GOD FORBID Romans 6:1-2, do we make void the Torah through faith GOD FORBID we ESTABLISH the Torah Romans 3:31, the whole point of the Torah is to point out sin, if you get rid of it we no longer are aware of these sins the Torah points out, may YAH bless you all 🙏💯♥️☝️📖
@Golden Arm this is a lot of misunderstanding of the scripture, Messiah raised the bar on the Torah didn't replace or get rid of anything, if the Torah is Truly in your heart it should easily be in your actions, if you don't have the will to keep Torah your heart is yet to be circumcised 💯♥️📖
The rich young ruler had fulfilled all the law yet he still lacked something...Jesus told him to go sell everything and follow Him. Have any of us done that? Have the Hebrew roots movement done that? Obviously the fulfillment of the law leaves one lacking in reference to following Jesus.
Though he didn’t keep the first and greatest commandment, which without being born again with the Holy Spirit is impossible. The whole point being, we CANNOT keep His perfect statutes. That’s why Jesus fulfilled it for us.
Technically though Mike Jesus first publicly proclaims he is the Messiah to the GENTILE Woman at the well as a foreshadowing of what is to come and then tarries in Samaria for a few days before embarking on to the rest of his ministry... Just a friendly bit of observation with all love and kindness Mike 🤗 God bless you and yours and mahalo for your ministry. God is great and I thank him for your preaching wisdom truth love and kindness.
I think you are missing a very key point to Matthew 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. “Till heaven and earth pass away”, where do we see these words spoken again? Revelation 21:1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. “ for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away.” Therefore the law is still relevant today and is not fulfilled until Christs judgement. People need to test everything against the scriptures and not because man tells them what to think and believe.
"Till heaven and earth pass away" I remember reading in Romans and Paul explained that sin was in the flesh when we were born, and the law came and we died because of sin in us. The law magnified sin for the evil it was, and when Jesus achieved victory on the cross, he took victory over sin then. Since that time, we who believe in Jesus die to our flesh daily and walk in the spirit after him; as he died in the flesh, so also do we daily. The law has dominion over the flesh even to this day, but dominion over the spirit is Jesus's. This is why we're not under the law; because we die to the flesh daily and walk in the spirit in Christ. This is how I understood Romans when I read it.
What is “the flesh” that we die to? Because it seems like many Christians try and act like “the flesh” is anything and everything that we enjoy - that we are supposed to live some sort of ascetic lifestyle.
@@billyb7465 the flesh refers to lusts, or more accurately, lusts that are against God's established order. I remember hearing one time sin described as "pleasure outside it's proper season," and it made sense to me; fornication is intercourse before marriage, which is a defrauding of one another; when you join flesh with one another, you're one flesh for life, which is why it's so important to marry. Otherwise, you wind up exposing the nakedness of many a man and the woman feels unloved by many a man, to the point she hardens her heart toward men in general- after all, all those men hardened their hearts toward her first and refused to love her for real. Another example would be to cheat people, or extort them, even lie about them to the authorities so they're punished in some way; be it the loss of a job or jail time, or even a fine. Most people know this is beyond wrong even today, but there are groups among us who are finding success with these kinds of tactics, so they use them happily, supposing the ends justify the means. We always want to live honorably and justly among our fellow man, giving respect to everyone as one created in the image and likeness of God, hence why so many of God's laws dealt with how do you deal with people, even those who aren't of your nationality, their possessions and cattle, your possessions and cattle, etc. God said of the two greatest commandments they were these: love the Lord your God with all your heart, and mind and soul and speech. The second was similar; love your neighbor as yourself. Because we love God, we turn from the lusts of our flesh, because they go against God's established order, and they are acts of hatred toward God's order. If what you do doesn't go against that order, then you haven't done evil doing that, but those things which are done in their incorrect season, or have perverted the natural order, those are evil and shouldn't be done. To love your neighbor is to refuse to do evil to them; to treat them fairly, no matter what, and sometimes, you get cheated yourself, but do no evil yourself because you respect God's creation for God's sake. People do go overboard from time to time forbidding things here and there; they did it in Jesus' time as well, such as making sure you wash your hands, but weren't concerned with forgiveness or justice; weightier matters of the law, far more important than how many times you washed your hands that day. I always suggest to know your scripture and let it be your final authority, because whatever doctrine men come up with, it will be judged by God's word; the scripture.
Dear Mike...please pray for my wife...her mame is Liliana... Its been nearly one year now that she told me she is not a christian anymore...she follows hebrew roots... I'm myself a modest pastor in a little congregation in Tenerife Spain...I've tried to make her understand what you teach because I teach that we are under the law of Christ (1.Co.9:19-23) but she says what she recieves comes from God...the word "christian" is not biblical...and "Christ" neither... I keep on praying for her but it is very very very difficult to live in unequal yoke...it affects every single aspect of our life... I'd really like to have a chat with you on the topic... Thanks God for his patience love and mercy... God bless Alan.
Prayers for you Alan. My wife and in laws are also caught up in Hebrew Roots. It's a larger faction between us. When they believe I'm acting like a pagan and idolater for attending a Sunday church, or not keeping the feasts, it can become draining.
Just got approached recently by a leader from a Church of God and the first study was about how keeping the sabbath was essentially a salvation issue. Red flags everywhere. I gave him Col 2 and Rom 14 as a response to debate the next time we talked, but these in depth deep dives are exactly what I needed. Thank you so much for your commitment to study!
Col 2 and Romans were both written by Paul. Paul kept Sabbath - Acts 17:2 and encouraged all Christians to keep all Ten Commandments - 1 Cor 7:19. or do you believe these books are justification to forget the Command which begins with _'Remember'_ ?? *Happy Sabbath!!!* i pray church tomorrow morning (the Lord's day) is a blessing for all who know God and love Christ!
Keeping one of Gods 10 commandment "red flag" LOL. Sabbath will be kept for eternity in the Kingdom of God. Collosians 2:8 mentions vain philosophy and deciet based on manmade rules. The sabbath was created by God, eternal law.
@@tony1685the person you're replying to is saying that church taught Sabbath as a salvation issue. Keeping thr Sabbath or not keeping does not affect whether you're saved. That's the point.
@@camillewilliams3185 hi Ma'am! you wrote: _'Keeping thr (sic) Sabbath or not keeping does not affect whether you're saved.'_ - so a 10% discount on God's Ten Commandments is ok then? is that what Jesus said in Matt 5:19, Luke 16:17 or John 14:15? what about those who have the right to the tree of life in Revelation 22:14 did they say it's ok to now keep just _'some of'_ God's Commands? or that it's ok we forget the One which begins with _'Remember'_ ? that makes no sense, Ma'am. Bible shows us that if one doesn't keep His *TEN* Commandments, then that person or church: 1 - doesn't know God - 1 John 2:3 2 - doesn't love Christ - John 14:15 3 - doesn't walk in Truth - 1 John 2:4 4 - isn't headed to Heaven - Matt 19:17, Rev 22:14 thanks for your post, Ma'am. i pray this makes sense to you. questions invited and encouraged.
Samantha Parks , the flesh Paul is talking about is the law of animal sacrifice , which could not redeem you when you violate the laws of God ; while the spirit is the blood of Christ through faith ( which means that you repent of your sins with a sorrowful heart and believe by obedience ; start keeping the commandments of your mediator Jesus Christ ; which are the same commandments of the Father , FAITH ) . Shalom !
@@messengerisrael3817 The ten are not the Laws in my New Everlasting Covenant with the many. It is not like the covenant made to the fathers. It is 2 commands and 1448 commands and instructions. Hebrew Roots violate most of these.
@@rickhuntling7338 Deuteronomy 18:15-19 , then read John 12:44-50 , then Revelation 20:11-15 . If your new covenant is under the mediator Jesus Christ , then you need to hear what he said about the commandments of God ( Matthews 5:17-19 , Matthew 7:21-23 , John 14:15,21 , John 15:1-10 ) ; but if it's under another mediator , do what he tells you to . Shalom !
Concerning Matthew 5:18, I have been curious of this for a while now. If the Law (the Mosaic covenant) is still in effect in its entirety, exactly as Jesus stated it (“the Law”), and not an iota and not a dot has changed, should we still be practicing Leviticus 4 and Leviticus 16 (sacrifices and offerings for sin and the Day of Atonement)? If Jesus, as Hebrews 9 states, entered once and for all into the holy places by His own blood to purify and redeem those who believe on Him, would it be appropriate to still offer the blood of animals for our sins today? Of course there is no temple today as God purposefully removed it, but if there still was one, would it be appropriate? If the answer is yes, I do not see how this is not blasphemous to the very finished work of Christ on the cross and what He accomplished as stated in Hebrews 9. If the answer is no, then this would seem quite a larger change than an iota or dot to the very Law that is being claimed is still in effect from Matthew 5:18. I am hoping someone might be able to answer would it be appropriate to continue to practice Leviticus 4 & 16 (if it were possible) while remaining in the text of Matthew 5:18 and in the context that the Law (the entirety of it as it is a whole unit) has not changed.
You will find the answers to your hypothetical question in Romans, especially chapters 6 and 7, and in Hebrews, as you mentioned, and especially this passage from chapter 10: "[10] By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. [11] And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: [12] But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; [13] From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. [14] For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. [15] Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, [16] This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; [17] And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. [18] Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin." In summary, Romans says that those that are in Christ are both no longer under the law and are dead to sin. Hebrews says that by the once for all offering of the body of Jesus Christ, God has perfected us forever. So obviously these "hebrew roots" doctrines are deception and error.
Mike, I am truely grateful for what you do and your ministry. I'm still new here, I've only found you recently ... but I enjoy detailed explanations. I can tell you put a lot of effort in your preparations. Keep it up! Thanks for this!
@@EnglishwithMrFinn Unfortunately, what you are "learning" from Pastor Mike is FALSE! Please watch the following RU-vid video, entitled: *_Video 6: "Throwing the Baby (the Law) Out with the Bathwater!"_*
Here is the thing, the difference between the Christian and the Hebrew Roots, followers of Yahusha. The Natsarene(Hebrew roots) follow the teachings of Yahusha. The Christian follows the teaching of the church. That is the difference. You would expect that should be the same as they are both based on the teachings of the Bible. Wrong! The Natsarene does follow the teaching of Messiah Yahusha. And the Christian follows the teaching of Jesus/church. What is the difference? Scripture says we must follow the example of our Messiah. 1Pe 2:21 For to this you were called, because Messiah also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps, And what did our Hebrew Messiah of the Bible do? He kept the Commands of Moses. So then we should too? That is what the Word of the Father says! Here is the kicker, the church say they follow the Bible, But they don’t follow the teaching and example of our Hebrew Messiah from the Bible. Let us look at it from another angle. What does our Father say about Himself? He says HE NEVER CHANGES! Mal 3:6 “For I am יהוה, I shall not change, and you, O sons of Ya‛aqoḇ, shall not come to an end. He says, He will not changes what He said NOR His Covenant(10 commandments)! Psa 89:34 “I shall not profane My covenant, Neither would I change what has gone out from My lips. Our Father is UNCHANGEABLE! Heb 6:17 In this way Elohim, resolving to show even more clearly to the heirs of promise the unchangeableness of His purpose, confirmed it by an oath, There is NO shadow of change in Him! Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no change, nor shadow of turning. He also said, His WORD may not be changed at all!(Rev 22:18&19) Deu 4:2 “Do not add to the Word which I command you, and do not take away from it, so as to guard the commands of יהוה your Elohim which I am commanding you. AND He said the ALL Scripture applies: 2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is breathed out by Elohim and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for setting straight, for instruction in righteousness, 2Ti 3:17 that the man of Elohim might be fitted, equipped for every good work. So according to the Word of our Heavenly Father, the conclusion is…. Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the entire matter: Fear Elohim and guard His commands, for this applies to all mankind! So how exactly did the church get it right to change the Father and Son’s Name? How did they change the Sabbath? How did they change and got rid of the Scriptural feasts? How did unclean food suddenly become clean? How did circumcision disappear? Because they are servant of the one they obey(and that is not the Father nor Messiah): Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the entire matter: Fear Elohim and guard His commands, for this applies to all mankind! And they do NOT obey The Father Yahuah nor the Son Yahusha. If they did really Love Him, they would ….. Joh 14:15 “If you love Me, you shall guard My commands.
Agree that these ideas are only growing! Also same with spirit filled ideas and praying in the Spirit. I'm so thankful for your thoughtful deep dives into scripture topics!! I notoriously have a million questions for teachers, and only a handful of teachers are always able to put all topics into layman's terms to get to the most simple explanation. You do this so well! And I feel so much more equipped 👏 My local pastor does this well too, and I love how good Bible teachers all have a focus on following Bible rules 🙏
Dr Brown did a short video on this. It's good that you did a more in depth live stream on it. He didn't say anything about the Hebrew roots movement. I love your work.
I truly do enjoy the Discipleship that you share with us. As a Pastor myself I have a deep desire to preach discipleship, nearly every time I prepare a sermon on Christian Discipleship the Lord moves me to preach Evangelism, to Preach Christ crucified and risen, to preach the Grace of God. We each have a calling, this must be mine. God bless you Pastor!
There's so much talk in the HRM about sin is the transgression of the law. I've never heard one of them mention Romans 14:23- But the one who doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and whatever is not from faith is sin. Not saying I have the perfect interpretation of this verse. Just saying I've been looking into this movement for 3 years (bc a fellow coworker vehemently defends it's doctrines) and I've never seen any comment on this Edit:spelling error
So, we don't do the Laws anymore, that sounds fun! Besides, it is too difficult to follow, never mind "Everything is possible with God or I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.
The Gospels have two commandmentss and 1048 commands and instructions. The difference is the sacrifice is finished once and for all. We haven't a license to sin because GOD chastens the ones HE loves on this earth even onto death if necessary. HE loses none that the FATHER draws to the SON.
Every time I seen this guy on RU-vid for some reason I don’t entertain him! But after giving him a ear his teaching is almost two edged sharp and very sound!
The law of God is like a mirror that shows us our need for Jesus. The law doesn’t remove the sin- we must be cleansed with Jesus blood. If you have Jesus living in your hearts- then you are not killing, stealing, coveting, committing adultery and you love God and want to worship Him like He says. 2 Thessalonians 2:10-11 KJV [10] And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. [11] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: Isaiah 1:9-10 KJV [9] Except the Lord of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah. [10] Hear the word of the Lord, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah. Isaiah 1:16-20 KJV [16] Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil; [17] Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow. [18] Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord : though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. [19] If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land: [20] But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it. Isaiah 5:20 KJV [20] Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Isaiah 5:24 KJV [24] Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the Lord of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel. 2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV [14] If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. Isaiah 8:16 KJV Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples. Isaiah 8:20 KJV [20] To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. Proverbs 3:5-7 KJV [5] Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. [6] In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. [7] Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Lord, and depart from evil. Isaiah 66:22-23 KJV [22] For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain. [23] And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord. Luke 16:17 KJV [17] And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.t Psalm 111:7-8 KJV [7] The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure. [8] They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness. God is good Law is good Truth Unchangable Same names Jesus was the Word Wise men build on the Rock Jesus life was Obedience to the law of God Sin is transgression of the law By the law is the knowledge of sin Law is not to save us Shows us the purpose of salvation Jesus kept the commandments John 15:10 KJV [10] If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. What is the punishment for living a life in sin Wages of death Not binding - Mathew 19:17 keep the commandments Matthew 19:17 KJV [17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. How is it possible to keep them? Romans 8:3-4 KJV [3] For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: [4] That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Philippians 4:6 Mark 10:27 KJV [27] And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible. Proverbs 29 1 John 2:3-5 KJV [3] And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. [4] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. [5] But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. Proverbs 29:18 KJV [18] Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he. Deuteronomy 30:19-20 KJV [19] I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: [20] That thou mayest love the Lord thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the Lord sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them. Acts 5:29 KJV [29] Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men. Hebrews 5:9 KJV [9] And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; 1 Peter 1:25 KJV [25] But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you. Genesis 22:18 KJV [18] And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice. Deuteronomy 11:27-28 KJV [27] A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the Lord your God, which I command you this day: [28] And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the Lord your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known. Deuteronomy 13:4 KJV [4] Ye shall walk after the Lord your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. Matthew 3:2 KJV [2] And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. Revelation 3:19 KJV [19] As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 KJV [13] Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. [14] For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. Jonah 1:9 KJV [9] And he said unto them, I am an Hebrew; and I fear the Lord, the God of heaven, which hath made the sea and the dry land. Exodus 20:11 KJV [11] For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Psalm 95:5-7 KJV [5] The sea is his, and he made it: and his hands formed the dry land. [6] O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the Lord our maker. [7] For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice, Psalm 146:6 KJV [6] Which made heaven, and earth, the sea, and all that therein is : which keepeth truth for ever: Revelation 14:7 KJV [7] Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1 ESV Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary Exodus 16:22-31 Here is mention of a seventh-day sabbath. It was known, not only before the giving of the law upon mount Sinai, but before the bringing of Israel out of Egypt, even from the beginning, Ge 2:3. The setting apart one day in seven for holy work, and, in order to that, for holy rest, was ever since God created man upon the earth, and is the most ancient of the Divine laws. Appointing them to rest on the seventh day, 1 John 2:17 KJV [17] And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. Matthew 3:12 KJV Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire. Isaiah 5:24 KJV Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the Lord of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel. *********** Hebrews 5:9 KJV [9] And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; ************ Numbers 23:20 KJV [20] Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I cannot reverse it. Is Sunday blessed and sanctified by God in Biblical scriptures? The seventh day Sabbath is Numbers 23:20 KJV [20] Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I cannot reverse it. Acts 5:29 KJV [29] Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men. Matthew 15:9 KJV [9] But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. ------ Deuteronomy 9:10 KJV Numbers 23:20 KJV Acts 5:29 Matthew 15:9 KJV Hebrews 8:10 KJV Hebrews 10:16 KJV Proverbs 4:4 KJV John 14:15 KJV
I like them too I don’t agree with all they teach but I can’ finger point at any religion I don’t think any of us have it right. I think when we get to heaven the 12 apostles may sit us all down our first yr there and correct all our doctrine . Like heavens bible school. Maybe on the rare event we get something right they’ll hand us gold stars like we’re in kindergarten.
Matthew 5 talks about how he didn’t abolish but confirmed the prophets, & none will be abolished till all be fulfilled. Then talks practically keeping the law & not relaxing any commands 😭 I’m gonna watch all your vids on this but I’d love to discuss these verses with you. I appreciate your heart for the gospel Mike & you give good perspective on the scriptures 🙏❤️
I am curious about something you have said. You are addressing “the Law” in the correct and wholesome way as it is used in this passage (i.e., it is either all of it, or none of it, but is not taken in parts). Either all of it is fulfilled, or none of it is. As Jesus says, not even the smallest part will pass, until all is accomplished. I have never seen any allowance in the Torah for atonement of sin being done once for all by the blood of the Son of God. It is always by the blood of animals. Do you accept? Jesus’s atoning blood for your sin? If so, how is that not a change? I have poured over the Torah many times and atonement for sin in the way Jesus’s blood is applied is nowhere in there, hence the animal sacrifices. It is really just that straightforward. If none of it changed, then you are not allowed to accept his blood for the atonement of your sin and must instead depend on the blood of an animal that has not been sacrificed on behalf of Israel for over 1900 years. If you can see the major issue here on what I would consider the most straightforward part of this passage, then please consider these passages, when considering “all is accomplished” (notes I have made previously that I copied and pasted here). What does “all” mean here? What does “all” mean in these verses? What is the context of accomplished? Luke 18:31 31 And taking the twelve, he said to them, “See, we are going up to Jerusalem, and everything that is written about the Son of Man by the prophets will be accomplished. - Does “everything” include Christ returning for his bride as in Revelation? There is always a context. - “all” in Matt 5:18 is the same Greek word we have here for “everything” (g3956. πᾶς pas). Luke 21:22 for these are days of vengeance, to fulfill ALL that is written. John 19:28 28 After this, Jesus, knowing that ALL was now finished, said (to fulfill the Scripture), “I thirst.” John 19:30 30 When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, “It is finished,” and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit. Luke 9:30-31 30 And behold, two men were talking with him, Moses and Elijah, 31 who appeared in glory and spoke of his departure, which he was about to accomplish at Jerusalem. Luke 12:50 50 I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how great is my distress until it is accomplished! Does all in Matt 5:18 mean all? Clearly no.
@@miketisdale7341 Christs sacrifice wasn’t his literal blood on an altar it was his obedience to the Father & laying his life down for the sheep. You’re taking his sacrificial life death & resurrection literal in comparing it to the Torah & the sacrificial system when even the disciples didn’t see it as that. His sacrifice does not go against the Torah & prophets at all, his life, death & justification of sinners is foretold in the Torah & prophets.
@@aaronshipp8766 I am not just speaking literally. But nonetheless, it seems like you are saying that if you had the option (temple, altar, and all else required), you would seek and accept atonement from two avenues for your sin (whether you want to divide them physically and figuratively or not), correct?
@@miketisdale7341 your argument doesn’t make sense because you aren’t clearly addressing Matt. 5:18. Just cause the context of other verses with a Greek word can mean something different when it says all doesn’t mean that is what Matt. 5:18 is saying. All pertains to the specific set of verses that are being pointed to in the Tanakh in the context of the situation. I simply suggest that based on the context of Matt 5:18 being about all the things in the law and prophets coming to pass (not specifically about what may be written about Yeshua only which is what some of the verses u mentioned are about ) which points to all prophecy being fulfilled in what is written in them. It’s fine if you disagree but it’s be better if you directly speak on your understanding of the context of Matt 5:18 n not just point to other verses with different context n try to say “all” is clearly not about all the Torah and prophets.
@@aaronshipp8766 as is the nature of communicating over text :-). My apologies for not pointing to my understanding from the questions I asked and the verses I pointed to. My understanding is that “all“ does not mean everything written of Christ prophetically, old or new covenant. In my view, “all“ is referring to the very purpose that God the Son came and dwelt among us for. As is seen in the use of “all” and “everything” in the verses I provided as examples, “all” rarely means “all” as we tend to think of it as. He accomplished “all” in Matthew 5:18 when He said on the cross “it is finished” and accomplished the purpose He came for (just has He Himself states numerous times). This view allows me to Biblically accept and receive His atonement for sin by my faith in His accomplished work and not from animal sacrifices. There is no provision in Torah for atonement for sin apart from animal sacrifice (if you assume not a jot has changed), and clearly Jesus’s sacrifice does this very thing once and for all (assuming we are comparing old and new covenants and contrasting Jesus’s atonement with that of the provision of animal sacrifice, which is the very thing the writer of Hebrews does). Of course Jesus is foretold of in the Torah, but that does not mean you are allowed to accept atonement for sin in any other way than as is clearly prescribed in Torah (animal sacrifice) over and over and over. It is disingenuous to sweep away this glaring point of a change regarding atonement of sin by simply saying that Jesus is foretold of in the Torah and prophets. I am not saying that what Christ accomplished goes against the Torah. I am saying that it replaces how sin was a toned for, which is a huge change and passing away. This is why I asked you that if you had a temple, a consecrated altar, and a priesthood if you would seek atonement for your sin BOTH in the sacrifice of an animal as well as in Christ’s once for all atoning sacrifice. This is ultimately what I am hoping to understand from you as I do not see how it can be any other way if you assert that nothing has changed in the commands we are to follow. Please let me know and thank you.
Revelation 20:12 Verse Concepts And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.
Thank you Mike for taking the time to do these videos it is greatly appreciated. I have three quick questions. 1. I am a Christian who keeps the 10 Commandments. Are you saying it is unnecessary for me to keep the 10 Commandments? 2. How do we define sin without the Law/Commandments? 3. The following New Testament verses appear to indicate that we should be keeping the Commandments. John 14:15, John 15:10, Rom. 2:13, Rom. 3:31, Rom. 7:7, Rom. 7:12-14, Rom. 8:7, 1 Tim. 3:16-17, Heb. 8:10, 1 John 2:3-6, 1 John 3:4, 1 John 3:22-24, 1 John 5:2-3, 2 John 6, Rev. 12:17, Rev. 14:12, Rev. 22:14. I was wondering if you had planned on addressing any of these scriptures? PS I have appreciated the way you and 119 Ministries have interacted on this subject it is nice so see people with different views interact in a spirit of love Thanks again. Lily
It is unnecessary for you to keep the 10 commandments because they're the 10 commandments. However, the principles contained within them are, in essence, also taught in the new covenant. Jesus never said it was okay to worship other gods, kill people, or commit adultery, etc, etc. It's pretty clear those rules apply to gentile christians too.
What has attracted me to HRM is because the paganism in Christian holidays like Christmas and Easter and the rise of Progressive Christianity. Who seem to do the complete opposite of HRM, but appears to have got there start because they have turned there backs on the Torah and even what is labeled as a sin in the NT. I have seen many pastors seem to be focused on preaching about love, grace and forgiveness, but never sin. It makes me feel that preaching about sin is taboo like politics and we are afraid to lose people if we do. In addition I have seen traditional Christians claim to be NT believers because the OT is to confusing and violent.
@@GoosetavoS42 I'm with you Gus. Do you watch Apologia? Jeff Durbin has a pretty good message on how the law appropriately applies to present-day Christians, without taking away from the sacrifice Christ made.
Good questions, please question all. Here are some thoughts for you. Here is the thing, the difference between the Christian and the Hebrew Roots, followers of Yahusha. The Natsarene(Hebrew roots) follow the teachings of Yahusha. The Christian follows the teaching of the church. That is the difference. You would expect that should be the same as they are both based on the teachings of the Bible. Wrong! The Natsarene does follow the teaching of Messiah Yahusha. And the Christian follows the teaching of Jesus/church. What is the difference? Scripture says we must follow the example of our Messiah. 1Pe 2:21 For to this you were called, because Messiah also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps, And what did our Hebrew Messiah of the Bible do? He kept the Commands of Moses. So then we should too? That is what the Word of the Father says! Here is the kicker, the church say they follow the Bible, But they don’t follow the teaching and example of our Hebrew Messiah from the Bible. Let us look at it from another angle. What does our Father say about Himself? He says HE NEVER CHANGES! Mal 3:6 “For I am יהוה, I shall not change, and you, O sons of Ya‛aqoḇ, shall not come to an end. He says, He will not changes what He said NOR His Covenant(10 commandments)! Psa 89:34 “I shall not profane My covenant, Neither would I change what has gone out from My lips. Our Father is UNCHANGEABLE! Heb 6:17 In this way Elohim, resolving to show even more clearly to the heirs of promise the unchangeableness of His purpose, confirmed it by an oath, There is NO shadow of change in Him! Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no change, nor shadow of turning. He also said, His WORD may not be changed at all!(Rev 22:18&19) Deu 4:2 “Do not add to the Word which I command you, and do not take away from it, so as to guard the commands of יהוה your Elohim which I am commanding you. AND He said the ALL Scripture applies: 2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is breathed out by Elohim and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for setting straight, for instruction in righteousness, 2Ti 3:17 that the man of Elohim might be fitted, equipped for every good work. So according to the Word of our Heavenly Father, the conclusion is…. Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the entire matter: Fear Elohim and guard His commands, for this applies to all mankind! So how exactly did the church get it right to change the Father and Son’s Name? How did they change the Sabbath? How did they change and got rid of the Scriptural feasts? How did unclean food suddenly become clean? How did circumcision disappear? Because they are servant of the one they obey(and that is not the Father nor Messiah): Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the entire matter: Fear Elohim and guard His commands, for this applies to all mankind! And they do NOT obey The Father Yahuah nor the Son Yahusha. If they did really Love Him, they would ….. Joh 14:15 “If you love Me, you shall guard My commands. Shalom
Mike Winger. Your understanding of Scripture and mine come from the revelation of the Holy Spirit within us as regenerated adopted children of God. I identify with what you share in these videos spiritually. It's exciting to have the assurance of God the Spirit to recognize the Truth. You've gained my support prayerfully and financially. As our older brothers who are faithful to the H.S. and accurately dividing the Truth leave us, ie Sproul and those to follow ie Macarthur, there will be a serious need for accurate teaching and brothers like you need prayer and encouragement to continue. I'll be watching and supporting.
Apart from the fact he is wrong! Here is the thing, the difference between the Christian and the Hebrew Roots, followers of Yahusha. The Natsarene(Hebrew roots) follow the teachings of Yahusha. The Christian follows the teaching of the church. That is the difference. You would expect that should be the same as they are both based on the teachings of the Bible. Wrong! The Natsarene does follow the teaching of Messiah Yahusha. And the Christian follows the teaching of Jesus/church. What is the difference? Scripture says we must follow the example of our Messiah. 1Pe 2:21 For to this you were called, because Messiah also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps, And what did our Hebrew Messiah of the Bible do? He kept the Commands of Moses. So then we should too? That is what the Word of the Father says! Here is the kicker, the church say they follow the Bible, But they don’t follow the teaching and example of our Hebrew Messiah from the Bible. Let us look at it from another angle. What does our Father say about Himself? He says HE NEVER CHANGES! Mal 3:6 “For I am יהוה, I shall not change, and you, O sons of Ya‛aqoḇ, shall not come to an end. He says, He will not changes what He said NOR His Covenant(10 commandments)! Psa 89:34 “I shall not profane My covenant, Neither would I change what has gone out from My lips. Our Father is UNCHANGEABLE! Heb 6:17 In this way Elohim, resolving to show even more clearly to the heirs of promise the unchangeableness of His purpose, confirmed it by an oath, There is NO shadow of change in Him! Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no change, nor shadow of turning. He also said, His WORD may not be changed at all!(Rev 22:18&19) Deu 4:2 “Do not add to the Word which I command you, and do not take away from it, so as to guard the commands of יהוה your Elohim which I am commanding you. AND He said the ALL Scripture applies: 2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is breathed out by Elohim and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for setting straight, for instruction in righteousness, 2Ti 3:17 that the man of Elohim might be fitted, equipped for every good work. So according to the Word of our Heavenly Father, the conclusion is…. Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the entire matter: Fear Elohim and guard His commands, for this applies to all mankind! So how exactly did the church get it right to change the Father and Son’s Name? How did they change the Sabbath? How did they change and got rid of the Scriptural feasts? How did unclean food suddenly become clean? How did circumcision disappear? Because they are servant of the one they obey(and that is not the Father nor Messiah): Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the entire matter: Fear Elohim and guard His commands, for this applies to all mankind! And they do NOT obey The Father Yahuah nor the Son Yahusha. If they did really Love Him, they would ….. Joh 14:15 “If you love Me, you shall guard My commands.
Love in today's society has become more of a noun than a verb. By this I mean it has become only the feeling of affection and attachment. Love has lost its meaning as an action. Love has lost its meaning as a commitment. This commitment includes a commitment from both parties, not just one. Jesus Christ has already made his commitment to us, and it is our duty, if we truly love God and Christ, to uphold our end of that commitment by reciprocating the love that he gives us. How do we do this? The Apostle John explains best for us what it means to love God and to love Christ: "If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." John 14:15-17 "As the Father hat loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love." John 15:9-10 "My little children, these things I write unto you, that ye sin not, And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: And not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him." 1 John 2:1-5 "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous." 1 John 5:1-3 "I rejoiced greatly that I found of thy children walking in truth, as we have received a commandment from the Father. And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another. And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it." 2 John 1:4-6 Only one truth can be drawn from these verses: To love God is to love Christ, and to love God is to keep his commandments.
Revelation 21: 1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. Revelation 14:12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.
Here is the thing, the difference between the Christian and the Hebrew Roots, followers of Yahusha. The Natsarene(Hebrew roots) follow the teachings of Yahusha. The Christian follows the teaching of the church. That is the difference. You would expect that should be the same as they are both based on the teachings of the Bible. Wrong! The Natsarene does follow the teaching of Messiah Yahusha. And the Christian follows the teaching of Jesus/church. What is the difference? Scripture says we must follow the example of our Messiah. 1Pe 2:21 For to this you were called, because Messiah also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps, And what did our Hebrew Messiah of the Bible do? He kept the Commands of Moses. So then we should too? That is what the Word of the Father says! Here is the kicker, the church say they follow the Bible, But they don’t follow the teaching and example of our Hebrew Messiah from the Bible. Let us look at it from another angle. What does our Father say about Himself? He says HE NEVER CHANGES! Mal 3:6 “For I am יהוה, I shall not change, and you, O sons of Ya‛aqoḇ, shall not come to an end. He says, He will not changes what He said NOR His Covenant(10 commandments)! Psa 89:34 “I shall not profane My covenant, Neither would I change what has gone out from My lips. Our Father is UNCHANGEABLE! Heb 6:17 In this way Elohim, resolving to show even more clearly to the heirs of promise the unchangeableness of His purpose, confirmed it by an oath, There is NO shadow of change in Him! Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no change, nor shadow of turning. He also said, His WORD may not be changed at all!(Rev 22:18&19) Deu 4:2 “Do not add to the Word which I command you, and do not take away from it, so as to guard the commands of יהוה your Elohim which I am commanding you. AND He said the ALL Scripture applies: 2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is breathed out by Elohim and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for setting straight, for instruction in righteousness, 2Ti 3:17 that the man of Elohim might be fitted, equipped for every good work. So according to the Word of our Heavenly Father, the conclusion is…. Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the entire matter: Fear Elohim and guard His commands, for this applies to all mankind! So how exactly did the church get it right to change the Father and Son’s Name? How did they change the Sabbath? How did they change and got rid of the Scriptural feasts? How did unclean food suddenly become clean? How did circumcision disappear? Because they are servant of the one they obey(and that is not the Father nor Messiah): Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the entire matter: Fear Elohim and guard His commands, for this applies to all mankind! And they do NOT obey The Father Yahuah nor the Son Yahusha. If they did really Love Him, they would ….. Joh 14:15 “If you love Me, you shall guard My commands.
Yes, the Law was established at creation and orally passed down through the generations until it was written by Moses at Mount Sinai. Everyone. starting from Adam and Eve, obeyed it.
@@rachelanne2968 so Adam and Eve observed the Feast of Tabernacles, for example? So they lived in booths for seven days so “that your generations may know that I made the people of Israel dwell in booths when I brought them out of the land of Egypt”? I wonder if they were confused by any of that. Luckily we do not have to speculate like this but can simply trust the word of God! Deuteronomy 5:3 3 Not with our fathers did the LORD make this covenant, but with us, who are all of us here alive today.
@@miketisdale7341 The Torah and the Covenant are two separate things : if they were the same thing, why did Noah ( Genesis 7:2-3, 8-9 and 8:20 ) , Lot ( Genesis 19:3 ) and Abraham ( 26:4-5 ) obeyed the Torah centuries before the exodus ? The Torah was passed down orally from Adam and Eve to their descendants until it was given to Moses in its written form at Mount Sinai. Hope it helps =)
@@rachelanne2968 Maybe a question or two further might help me understand more fully the distinction you are making. 1) Can you elaborate on how you define Torah. The ten commandments, the 613 given to Israel, etc? 2) As a continuation and further clarification of #1, you said the Law was established at creation and passed down orally. Was the Feast of Tabernacles a part of what Adam and Eve had and passed down orally? 3) You said that Noah, Lot, and Abraham kept Torah. I will ask more of this given your clarifications from #1&2 if you do not mind. Thank you in advance!
Hi Mike, When you talk about the native and the sojourner and Israel as a nation, Hebrew roots has a much different perspective. I think 119 has a video called “the lost sheep” and “what is the gospel”. The theology is that the northern and southern kingdom (Israel and Judah) split and the northern kingdom was dispersed among the nations (the lost tribes of Israel) and that God is restoring that, fulfilling prophecy. In other words, that we are Israel. This is a general doctrine of Hebrew roots. Also, the stick of Ephraim ( two house theology). To really rebuttal Hebrew roots, two house will have to be addressed. I have truly believed this around 3 years now and have accepted that the Torah is still applicable today. With that being said, I have an open ear and I am open for thoughtful and biblical proof of an interpretation and am willing to change views. Tackling the theology I put forth will get to the heart of the theology and debate.
Yeeeees!!! There is such a huge misunderstanding of what happened when the tribes split and ALL the prophecy about them being joined back together under the new covenant. The most clear teaching I have seen on this is from Jim Staley called Identity Crisis.
Context, context, context Thanks for stressing that point, for it brings clarity to confusion. I appreciate your thoughtful, and well researched answers to some tricky questions. I've been on the receiving end of both SDA and HRM aggressive assaults, so clear rational answers are a gift from God. I never weary of your using large amounts of scripture. Thank you
Lori Bordessa the thing that gets me with 7th day Adventism is the whole Ellen G White thing and the doctrine of sinless perfection. I almost got into it but then I decided otherwise
Becky Sampson exactly. Ellen G White was a false prophet who butchered the gospel of Jesus Christ and tried to shove people back under an old covenant that was never intended for them but for Israel. And Saturday sabbath keeping is their pet OC law and the dividing line between them (“the Remnant” as they believe themselves to be) and the rest of the world. It’s all about the sabbath. Google SDA and “The National Sunday Law”. It’s hard for them to give up this SDA imperative, since even if they wanted to if they go to a “Sunday church”, they’re afraid they’re going to get the Mark of the Beast because that’s what they’ve been taught. There’s more.... I’ve gone in circles with many on FB and most can rarely tell me what the gospel is. 😢 Their eschatology is focused on Saturday as Sabbath. And thus their gospel.
Lori Bordessa I have noticed this as well. It’s crazy how this Hebrew roots movement has infiltrated many denominations. I know seventh day Adventist was long before the HRM but still! The issue I see is that if your core doctrine is incorrect, you may have a gospel that cannot save you. If you believe that you must observe the law to enter heaven, you believe in a works based salvation which is inherently incorrect. It’s really sad to see people refuse to challenge their viewpoint and seek the truth. I definitely understand what you’re saying and agree with you.
Becky Sampson amen. The Lord through Paul’s letter to the Galatians was very clear on this- and Galatians is one of those books SDAs and HRM need to read. We need to pray for those we know in it. The Holy Spirit has to open their eyes to the truth. “I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel- not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.” Galatians 1:6-9 ESV The wording is strong- “accursed”. And later with the same thought in mind Paul says he wishes they would emasculate themselves. This false gospel stuff is serious. It’s mislead many.
Lori Bordessa yeah no kidding. I’m in an online Christian community where this is heavily debated! It’s really weird how people come to this conclusion...if they would put down their preconceived notions they’d see!
If we can agree that this is NOT about salvation, because it isn't. Salvation is by faith not by works. This is about obedience to God. Both sides are genuinely wanting to do what is right according to Scripture. It also seems apparent that one group is being deceived to believe something that is not the truth. So, if Satan is deceiving someone into believing a lie, would it make sense that he is tricking people to follow all of God’s instructions (remember this isn't about Salvation)? Or would it make more sense that Satan would not want people to follow God's instructions and tell lies about why they shouldn't do them?
Mike. I love your work on the NAR and Calvinism. I appreciate a non-cessationist/non-Calvinist critique of the NAR. I have to say I disagree with you on this one. I would love to see you bring on David Wilber for a discussion sometime. I think you would find him to be a very gracious and fair minded advocate of the Torah-observant movement.
Torah is living under Gods righteous instructions...Torah was from the beginning. People get caught up in the 5 books of Moses...which by default is indeed Torah but the difference in understanding David and Paul is to make a distinction between the Book of the Covenant and the Book of the Law...both are righteous. Only the Book of the Law was imposed for transgression until the time of reformation...until seed come...Shiloh...it was a concession to death after the golden calf breech. Exodus 19:5 through Exodus 24:11 is the blood ratified Covenant of Promise confirmed with a covenant confirming meal. Jesus/Yeshua brings us back to that original covenant. That's all we have to do...everything after 24:11 was imposed...It wasn't blood ratified and it wasn't agreed to and there was no covenant confirming meal...its not a part of the Covenant of Promise...see if you make that distinction the Torah Roots movement would understand they are partly right...more so than the Christian. Messianic Judaism however is dabbling in cultish religion not inspired by God. Just to clarify...the Book of the Covenant was INSIDE the ark...the Book of the Law was strapped (like bondage) to the OUTSIDE of the ark as a "witness against them." So it seems we should be walking in that Covenant of Promise which is the Ten Commandments, Sabbath, Feast Days and Dietary Laws...but not the Book of the Law which is after Exodus 24:11...If you can dig deep enough to better understand Pauls teaching becomes so much clearer and less contradicting...Also are understanding of the word Gentile. The gentiles in general are the Lost Sheep of the house of Israel...not necessarily heathens and pagans...though as many of them are welcome...but it is about Israel...Biblical Israel...not those who say they but are not...Rothschilds brought about the State of Israel...not God...when God does it...we all will know...and we all (believers/Israel) will have access to the land...
@InLivingWater So refreshing to read a comment from someone who gets it. I learned from Torah to the Tribes videos. I'll be celebrating Feast of Tabernacles with them in Oregon this year.
Law shows there is sin. So right when sin came in the world there was the law. How did Cain know killing was wrong. Why would God punish Cain if there was no law.
Are you confusing the Mosaic Law given to Moses at Mt. Sanai with the natural law that all of humanity has had from the beginning?? Paul very specifically speaks about the law of our consciences. We are made in God's image, therefore we are moral beings... we KNOW that murder is immoral. Paul talks about this in Romans.
@@smashleyscott8272 God spoke these words (The Law) it is God's law. He tells the people of Israel if they love Him they will do his commandments meaning their faith will produce such works not to be saved but because they are saved. It is His standard for Holiness. We are called to Holiness after you accept Him. in the New testament he even quotes OT to be "Holy for I am Holy". That reference is in the context of his dietary laws and keeping Sabbath etc. If you look it up in the OT. THE Law given to moses was given to show sin. Even Paul says this. Mosaic law is also moral.God's spoken word will not contradict "natural law" it is within His law given to moses. Jesus says all of the law is summed up in Love and that the weighter matters of the law are mercy justice and faith.
@@samanthaparks4735 ... ok, this is where I think you may be missing the nuance that I am trying to point out. The Mosaic is moral, YES, because it is was a command given to the Israelites under the Sanai Covenant. But it was NOT commands given to anyone BUT the nation of Israel. WITHIN that Law is also the natural law. So, point being: God gave distinct commands to different people, for different purposes, as He slowly and progressively revealed Himself to the world and fulfilled His covenant promises from Eve to us, with the final revelation being in Jesus. The Mosaic Law was perfect within it's intent and purpose... Paul and the author of Hebrews spoke of the Mosaic Law as a tutor, a guardian, a yoke, bondage, unable to make right, etc. The purpose of the Law is fulfilled, and now we are under the New Covenant. You are free to keep the traditions within the Law, Samantha... but it is not required, and it is inadequate for righteousness. I'm not going to engage in a long drawn out debate, because from my experience, I am NOT capable of opening closed minds and eyes (PLEASE do not believe I'm accusing you of this), so I don't want to enter into a potentially fruitless debate. Happy Holidays (I don't want to assume that you celabrate anything this time of yeah, but I wish you well this season)!!!
I'd like yo share this with you... please listen to it?? It's only about 10 minutes long. Please consider this teaching with and open mind?? I know that you want to be obedient to the Lord, and I am grateful for that... but I just would like you to consider whether or not your theology is truly accurate. If your convictions do not change, then at least you considered a different perspective. With love!! Take care!!
@@smashleyscott8272 thank you for sharing lovingly. I do want to obey Him out of love. Not to be saved but because I am saved we are now slaves to righteousness. everything that has and will be fulfilled has been prophesied. Nowhere in OT does God say he will do away with the law. Infact Jesus even says he did not come to do away with the law. Matthew 5:17-22 heaven and Earth have not passed away and everything that has been prophesied has not been filled. The Law is not bondage. 1John 5:3 James 1:25,2:12. It also brings peace to those who love it psalm 119:165 it is good doctrine proverbs 4:2. Many more scripture showing how the law is a Light, is Truth, and Good. The pharasies are the ones that put burdens on the people with their made up traditions and doctrines of men. .. Does it make sense that God took them out of Egypt or bondage only put them in bondage again by his law? Scripture over and over tells us what has us in bondage it is Sin. Scripture also tells us that the law is not sin. Romans 7:7. And Romans 3:31 says we are not to void the law of God by faith but establish it. You should read Psalm 119 the longest chapter in the Bible all about His law.
Daniel's 70 year prophecy gives us insight into what law was done away with, and it was a punishment given because of transgressions, law is eternal, punishments are not, and what was to stop is the day by day performances.
TOs, as we call them here, always say “You’re not reading it right, go back and reread Matt 5 and 28!” And refer to themselves as we: “WE respect those at different points in their walks with YAH.” It gets old tbh, but I have a few ppl in the YAH-clique that I care about and Gods Truth demands seeking, so here I am! 🥳 Thanks fir the video 4 years later 😁
I agree with your comment. Initially, it makes perfect sense but eventually, the All-Suffiency of Christ seems to become hijacked and we no longer trust in His finished work alone. It tends to become Jesus + works. That's my take-away from being involved in this movement. I felt I was losing sight of Jesus so backed away. However, I do find tremendous joy and value in celebrating the Feasts of Lord. They contain a level of spiritual meaning that is simply not to be found in the celebration of Easter and Christmas. These 'Christian' events are so linked with secular celebrations that it's very difficult to stay focused, whereas the biblical Feast Days are solely focused on God.
What you fail to see is THEY think the same of YOUR position. Matthew 5:17-19 Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. “For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. “Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
The Guerrero Family , Do you believe the ten commandments that God gave to the children of Israel are required to keep today ? Do you believe that Jesus Christ is the mediator of the covenant , the one who intercedes for the parties which make up the covenant ? Do you believe that the covenant is from the Father and the children of Israel ? Do you believe that believing Gentiles are grafted into the covenant between the Father and the children of Israel ? Who is Jesus Christ ? Can the mediator of the covenant change the covenant ? Is the covenant the spoken and written agreements between the parties in the covenant ? Did not Moses speak all the words that the God of Israel gave him to the people , and they said : " ALL THAT THE LORD HATH SAID WILL WE DO , AND BE OBEDIENT " ? Did not the God of Israel tell the children of Israel in Hebrews 8:10 , " For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days , saith the Lord ; I will put my laws into their minds , and write them in their hearts : and I will be to them a God , and they shall be to me a people " ? I though the God of Israel does not change ( Malachi 3:6) ; so his laws does not change ? Did not Moses give them the laws of God on two tables of stones and written in ink ( 2 Corinthians 3:3 ) ? Did the children of Israel believe the laws of God the Father , that was given to them on tables of stone and written in ink under the mediator Moses ( Hebrews 8:7-8 ) ? So , is the Father saying , that in order to come under this new mediator ( Jesus Christ ) you must have his laws in your mind , and written in your heart ; which means that you must believe by OBEDIENCE ? Is Jesus Christ the mediator under the preisthood of Melchisedec , the priesthood of faith/spirit/heart ? Was Moses the mediator under the priesthood of Leviticus , the priesthood of works/flesh/body ? Is the sin sacrifice through the mediators , under the priesthood that they represent ? Was the sin sacrifice under the mediator Moses , through the Leviticus priesthood call the law of works ( animal sacrifice and oblations through works ) ? Is the sin sacrifice through the mediator Jesus Christ , through the Melchisedec priesthood , called the law of faith ( Jesus blood through faith ) ; which means that you MUST REPENT OF YOUR SINS WITH A SORROWFUL HEART , AND START BELIEVING YOUR MEDIATOR COMMANDMENTS ( JESUS CHRIST ) ; WHICH ARE THE SAME COMMANDMENTS OF THE FATHER ( DEUTERONOMY 18:15-19 , JOHN 12:44-50 , AND REVELATION 20:11-15 ) ? What is the change in the new covenant , if the Father laws remains the same ( Hebrews 7:11-12 , " If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood , ( for under it the people received the law ) , what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisdec , and not be called after the order of Aaron ? FOR THE PRIESTHOOD BEING CHANGED , THERE IS MADE OF NECESSITY A CHANGE ALSO OF THE LAW " ) ? Again , is not the law through the priesthood ( Leviticus and Melchisdec ) required to recovery you , when you transgress against the laws of the Father ? Finally , The Guerrero Family , if you believe that we must keep the ten commandments , and you are not keeping the Sabbath day , why not ? Shalom !
ayyyy Im glad you decided to do this haha I asked a question in another live recording, but it wasn't understood haha (probably bc of shorthand writing). It read something like, "How do you respond to the eschatological view that is used to get people to subscribe to mosaic law because the third temple will require sacrifices (per Ezekiel), punishments regarding dietary laws (per Isaiah 66:17), and/or feast days (per Zech 14:18)?" What does this mean for Israel? and for Gentiles? I dont mean this in a salvific way, but an obedience way.. If you can't answer here, maybe you can include it in your next video, because some who are part of this movement have their actions rest on future events, based in this eschatological view
In our messianic congregation, the rabbi does teach that sacrifices will return and that it is important to understand them even though they have been suspended until Jesus returns.
@@nickylouse2 thanks for your reply. Sacrifices are definitely helpful in understanding Christ. Has your rabbi taught any on the punishments regarding diet and feasts? Does he only concern these with Israel or Gentiles as well?
I’m just grateful someone is serving the lord and praying at this point in the game. I’m getting where I can care less about what flavor believer they are this world is wicked
Lord means Ba'al in Hebrew, the church getting you to worship Ba'al. Here is the thing, the difference between the Christian and the Hebrew Roots, followers of Yahusha. The Natsarene(Hebrew roots) follow the teachings of Yahusha. The Christian follows the teaching of the church. That is the difference. You would expect that should be the same as they are both based on the teachings of the Bible. Wrong! The Natsarene does follow the teaching of Messiah Yahusha. And the Christian follows the teaching of Jesus/church. What is the difference? Scripture says we must follow the example of our Messiah. 1Pe 2:21 For to this you were called, because Messiah also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps, And what did our Hebrew Messiah of the Bible do? He kept the Commands of Moses. So then we should too? That is what the Word of the Father says! Here is the kicker, the church say they follow the Bible, But they don’t follow the teaching and example of our Hebrew Messiah from the Bible. Let us look at it from another angle. What does our Father say about Himself? He says HE NEVER CHANGES! Mal 3:6 “For I am יהוה, I shall not change, and you, O sons of Ya‛aqoḇ, shall not come to an end. He says, He will not changes what He said NOR His Covenant(10 commandments)! Psa 89:34 “I shall not profane My covenant, Neither would I change what has gone out from My lips. Our Father is UNCHANGEABLE! Heb 6:17 In this way Elohim, resolving to show even more clearly to the heirs of promise the unchangeableness of His purpose, confirmed it by an oath, There is NO shadow of change in Him! Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no change, nor shadow of turning. He also said, His WORD may not be changed at all!(Rev 22:18&19) Deu 4:2 “Do not add to the Word which I command you, and do not take away from it, so as to guard the commands of יהוה your Elohim which I am commanding you. AND He said the ALL Scripture applies: 2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is breathed out by Elohim and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for setting straight, for instruction in righteousness, 2Ti 3:17 that the man of Elohim might be fitted, equipped for every good work. So according to the Word of our Heavenly Father, the conclusion is…. Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the entire matter: Fear Elohim and guard His commands, for this applies to all mankind! So how exactly did the church get it right to change the Father and Son’s Name? How did they change the Sabbath? How did they change and got rid of the Scriptural feasts? How did unclean food suddenly become clean? How did circumcision disappear? Because they are servant of the one they obey(and that is not the Father nor Messiah): Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the entire matter: Fear Elohim and guard His commands, for this applies to all mankind! And they do NOT obey The Father Yahuah nor the Son Yahusha. If they did really Love Him, they would ….. Joh 14:15 “If you love Me, you shall guard My commands.
Easy proof God sometimes changes laws for us humans to follow depending on where in time we are: Genesis 9 and its first few verses describe God allowing Noah to begin to eat animals. This was not allowed prior to the flood. God doesn't change, but we are not the ones to interpret what he deems clean and unclean, as mentioned in Peter. If the time comes and he says stop, then we should stop, but according to the Scriptures all animals were made clean to eat in this church age. It's like a speed limit law. The law may say "follow the speed limit" but what that speed limit is may change depending on the need in a certain area, like a school or on a highway. The law stays the same but the application changes as you move around. God doesn't change, he sometimes just has laws for a certain time and certain people and He changes those rules as needed. Maybe there's a spiritual ramification of the unclean animals during the days of Isreal that was made right during the resurrection. Who are we to know or question God on his reasons?
Christ fulfilled the law without sin to show men that they can to if their heart is into it. Read what Paul says about it. All four gospels speaks of this. Paul says that they rejected christ so he went to the gentiles to provoke Jews into jealousy. It's always been by faith and grace from the beginning of Genesis to Revelation. The law let's us know not what to do that sins against God. Remember christ is God manifested in the flesh and he will not speak against himself
This really clarified what I've previously read but didn't connect. God's Word... So brilliant! Obviously, beyond comprehension by any man's own accord. Whoa!
Great video Mike. As an ex-Seventh Day Adventist these subjects are always coming up between me and my SDA family so this was very helpful. One question though, In Matthew 5:19 where he says “who ever breaks one of the least of these will be least/ whoever does them will be great.” Do you think Jesus said this because it was the beginning of his ministry and it would be approximately three years “UNTIL” “EVERYTHING” would be fulfilled on the cross? This is the “context” that I’m seeing here. Thanks again.
I think that Jesus is saying that the Law of Moses consists of 613 laws and anyone who obeys the whole lot will be great and those who miss that 100% level of perfection aren't doing too well. The truth is that no one can hope to keep all 613 laws which is why we need a saviour. The Law cannot save. Only Jesus can save because He has done it all on our behalf.
Here is the thing, the difference between the Christian and the Hebrew Roots, followers of Yahusha. The Natsarene(Hebrew roots) follow the teachings of Yahusha. The Christian follows the teaching of the church. That is the difference. You would expect that should be the same as they are both based on the teachings of the Bible. Wrong! The Natsarene does follow the teaching of Messiah Yahusha. And the Christian follows the teaching of Jesus/church. What is the difference? Scripture says we must follow the example of our Messiah. 1Pe 2:21 For to this you were called, because Messiah also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps, And what did our Hebrew Messiah of the Bible do? He kept the Commands of Moses. So then we should too? That is what the Word of the Father says! Here is the kicker, the church say they follow the Bible, But they don’t follow the teaching and example of our Hebrew Messiah from the Bible. Let us look at it from another angle. What does our Father say about Himself? He says HE NEVER CHANGES! Mal 3:6 “For I am יהוה, I shall not change, and you, O sons of Ya‛aqoḇ, shall not come to an end. He says, He will not changes what He said NOR His Covenant(10 commandments)! Psa 89:34 “I shall not profane My covenant, Neither would I change what has gone out from My lips. Our Father is UNCHANGEABLE! Heb 6:17 In this way Elohim, resolving to show even more clearly to the heirs of promise the unchangeableness of His purpose, confirmed it by an oath, There is NO shadow of change in Him! Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no change, nor shadow of turning. He also said, His WORD may not be changed at all!(Rev 22:18&19) Deu 4:2 “Do not add to the Word which I command you, and do not take away from it, so as to guard the commands of יהוה your Elohim which I am commanding you. AND He said the ALL Scripture applies: 2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is breathed out by Elohim and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for setting straight, for instruction in righteousness, 2Ti 3:17 that the man of Elohim might be fitted, equipped for every good work. So according to the Word of our Heavenly Father, the conclusion is…. Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the entire matter: Fear Elohim and guard His commands, for this applies to all mankind! So how exactly did the church get it right to change the Father and Son’s Name? How did they change the Sabbath? How did they change and got rid of the Scriptural feasts? How did unclean food suddenly become clean? How did circumcision disappear? Because they are servant of the one they obey(and that is not the Father nor Messiah): Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the entire matter: Fear Elohim and guard His commands, for this applies to all mankind! And they do NOT obey The Father Yahuah nor the Son Yahusha. If they did really Love Him, they would ….. Joh 14:15 “If you love Me, you shall guard My commands.
everything hasn't been fulfilled - there is still sin and we are still stuck on earth, waiting for Christ. do you believe Christ lied to us in John 14:15, Javier? today is just as important to keep as the other 9 Commandments are - or did you abandon Them as well? *Happy Sabbath!!!* i pray you give our Creator and Saviour a chance, Sir.
Can I ask you to show me a verse in Genesis that shows God commanding Sabbath Keeping prior to Moses, or a verse that shows that anyone prior to Moses kept the Sabbath??
@@smashleyscott8272 Doesn't look like Rean is going to answer, so here is one answer. Actually it was day 7, Genesis 2:2-3. I believe the next time it is mentioned, is in Exodus 20:10. Whether anyone prior to Moses except G-d kept it, is not written. It also depends on how one interprets sanctify-make holy is one interpretation.
@@smashleyscott8272 Ex 16 mentions the sabbath before it was given at mount Sinai. All 10 commandments where spoke of before mount Sinai, and Noah knew what animals where clean and unclean, Cain and Abel knew how and what to sacrifice. How can that be?
If you were covering Jesus' Words in Matthew I would hope you would have brought up Matthew 23 as well. I really struggle with seeing how Jesus commanded His disciples to obey whatever was read in Moses seat and then in Matthew 28 telling them to teach their disciples in all the nations whatever He commanded them.
If you truly want to have a better understanding of what these guys are talking about, this is one of the best teachings I can think of that has a privides a great background of their thinking, prior to getting into the law. In order to under stand their view God's law and grace you need to understand who you are in the bible. Who Jesus came for? More about the old testiment. And in turn who will have a better understanding of Jesus's teachings and Paul's writings. Also everyone is commenting how Jesus's law is greater then the "Law of Moses" but you have to remember that the Law of Moses is really the Law of GOD. In the bible it says that God's Law is PERFECT in the old testament and to be used for doctrine and reproof in the New testament. Because Jesus is the Law. He is the word made flesh. Just saying you can't contradict the bible. Love you all hope you actually watch this video and the others I've commented with and comment back :) Jim Staley- Identity Crisis ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-VN-1jUc963g.html
I started to watch this video then i googled Jim Staley and found out he was caught up in stealing money from elderly investors in his church. It is really hard to listen to a man that was so manipulated by the forces of evil. I hope this comes in peace, guard your heart.
It is tricky to say the least. Any teachings given before Jesus death and resurrection are technically old covenant teachings therefore Jesus teachings could be viewed as non binding.
cyberlizard That isn't true at all. The New Covenant is established on better promises(eternal life), not a different set of rules(Heb 8:6). Isaiah was also inspired by the Spirit to write that the Messiah would exalt the law(Isa 42:21). This alone proves anyone perpetrating a false gospel about Jesus dissolving the law a liar, for the Bible repeatedly teaches God shows absolutely no partiality.
Mike, please invite Lex Meyer, Rob Skiba or Zack Bauer on your channel or go onto their channels to have a brotherly and intelligent discussion so we as viewers and believers who are seeing both sides can have a better understanding!
The tree of life can never fully matured if it only grows where the first branch splits off. So we have to rightly divide the The Word of so we don't get confused as we are a part of the whole tree but the tree is maturing through the whole timeline. This is why The Bible says if you live by The Law you will be judged by it.
How you say Abraham didn't have the Law of Moses but kept Gods commandments...its more correct to say Abraham obeyed Gods Torah...just as Moses did. Its Torah! Instructions...its not just the Book of the Law. Melchizedek lifestyle...they all lived it priest and kings...even Shem...right? We all are going to be walking in Royal Torah Melchizedek Priesthood...as we all should be right now!
Jeremiah 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Isreal; After those days, saith YAH, I will put my Torah in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim and they shall be my people. 🗡📖💯♥️☝️
I have a question. I have been listening to some Hebrew Roots teachings, were we not grafted onto the tree that is Israel? so can we not view the Law as a way to live after we have been saved? The Law was given to Israel AFTER they were saved from their bondage, not as a means of their salvation but as a guideline for living righteously
I very much appreciated this video! I feel like this is a subject of contention and confusion and you did very well in helping to clarify the muddy waters 🙂 Also, you totally said irregardless 😋 Kinda cracked up my inner English nerd lol
God bless you Brother Mike, i pray for your ministry and your family that God might supply every need for he is Jehova-Jirah, our provider. Thank you Jesus for your Holy Word and God bless the Father for TRUTH as it prevails over the darkness and the lies of the world. Your videos have enriched me for months! Thank the Father for you and your gift as you are edifying the church through these videos! God bless you, In Jesus name, Amen.
plēroō to make full, to fill up, i.e. to fill to the full to cause to abound, to furnish or supply liberally I abound, I am liberally supplied to render full, i.e. to complete to fill to the top: so that nothing shall be wanting to full measure, fill to the brim to consummate: a number to make complete in every particular, to render perfect to carry through to the end, to accomplish, carry out, (some undertaking) to carry into effect, bring to realisation, realise of matters of duty: to perform, execute of sayings, promises, prophecies, to bring to pass, ratify, accomplish to fulfil, i.e. to cause God's will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be, and God's promises (given through the prophets) to receive fulfilment
