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Honestly any attempt at a multiverse or time-travel should be avoided, it never ends well.

I find the lore of World of Warcraft confusing and convoluted enough as it is for our own timeline. This idea of infinite timelines (multi-verse) just makes it even more convoluted in my opinion.

Time traveling is already one of the hardest stories to handle, now if you mixed with "multiverse" you guarantee you a really big mess on your lore that make it impossible to work, and now if you put those two things on writers with poor writing, everything becames in nothing more than delusion of the writers because they are writing over a broke lore with way too much errors

In the Cataclysm end cinematic, Aspects expend their power to end Deathwing. Nozdormu weaved in the threads of time into our own timeline, making it one true timeline, while the other timelines would simply fizzle out from existence eventually. You also have Knaak's books where timetravellers come to our timeline to save it. It wasn't a blunder, it was supposed to be THE timeline from the start. Also, having our KJ working with AU Archimonde and leaving AU KJ absent is way more whack than having one Legion.

Alternate idea, there is only ONE timeline, all the time rifts are just pocket dimensions of what could have been and once the rift closes, it ceasses to exist. AU Draenor only continues to exist because they used the Vision of Time, so Archimonde was our Archimonde, Yrel's light crusade was brought about by our naaru traveling to the pocket dimension, etc.

Blizzard does that thing that the MCU is doing where you always need to scale up the threat, it really doesn't take a lot of scaling to jump from protecting your city to protecting the multiverse. What they needed to do is to scale things waaaaay back after Wrath. Cataclysm barely have any plot, but they killed a bunch of ideas all at once, old gods, dragon aspects, Vashj'ir, the maelstrom - things that should have been a whole expansion became just a footnote on a not particularly good one. By the time we were raiding alternate timeline draenor and killing the forth Gul'Dan, shit was already out of whack. After that we killed Satan... and all the old gods... and then we killed Satan in all timelines.

The what-if scenarios we're seeing in the time rifts are entertaining. Personally, I'd like to see an Azeroth where Arthas doesn't fall. He heeds Uther and Jainas advice and doesnt purge Strathholme right away. They hold the line gather resources and perhaps the elves of Silvermoon. Sylvanas aids Arthas, Uther, and Jaina in taking down Malganis. The blood elves in turn dont get hit with a scourge onslaught led by Arthas.

Denathrius leading the remnants of the Scourge and Legion would be amazing.

3:40 Big issue with this: Garrosh went to the Shadowlands despite dying in Alternate Draenor, which supports a "one Shadowlands for all timelines".

If you use a really loose definition of "only one legion" you could interpret that to mean that all beings who fall to the corruption of the legion do so in all timelines. It could also be seen as the legion is aware of all the timelines and share a common goal across them all and thus they never interfere with each other.

This lore is the definition of life support.

Whenever someone mentiones steve danauser i see crown of wills and arthas beeing 25 anima i dont wanna go through it again

I am curious about a timeline where none of the great forces came across Azeroth , like what if the Void's Old Gods never reached it, the Titans never discovered it, etc and Azeroth was allowed to grow all on its own without any outside forces touching it

The one burning legion was cool in my opinion. Made the demon army seem more eldritch.

Makes sense, the Draenor one was an alternate reality Archimonde. Ours ought to have respawned by the time Legion happened after being "killed" at the World Tree.

Murozond equals the Titan's failsafe to destroy/prune all other timelines. Thats the only way this works, else there would be an AU Aman'thul corrupted by Sargeras invading all timelines with the Fel empowered Azeroth... right? So, MU Aman'thul creates Nozdormu to safeguard the Prime Timeline, and builds the Murozond fate as a means to eradicate all other timelines.

What concerns me lore wise is why we never seem to check up on the state of zones from past expansions in game. When in the real world you ride a country of a big bad guy and abandon it you create a power vaccume, where often time bigger bad guys are forged.

Blizzard said Archimonde is dead depending on their need for him in the future due to the ambiguity of his death, did he die in the Twisting Neither or just outside it? I have a strong feeling Archimonde will return and Kil'Jaeden might too using the excuse Sargeras revived him using Argus but he was still too weak to fight us once we arrived on Argus itself. Blizzard is still doing their Lore at the seat of their pants, why do you think they went back on the Warcraft: Chronicles being the definitive Lore? Because Blizzard wanted to be able to Retcon Lore whenever they wanted to. That's one of the reasons no one cares for Warcraft anymore because Blizzard themselves don't.

I was always sad about the "One Legion" thing for a silly reason. I kinda really want a double boss fight with KJ and Archimonde.

Well, I would like to propose the following proposition: Before Archimonde forcefully teleports Gul'Dan to our timeline, he does so using the portal created upon the demolished Dark Portal, which was previously connected to our Universe. We also see that Archimonde was summoned to fight us from that same portal before the fight begins. So, my idea is that Gul'Dan actually summoned OUR Archimonde to WoD's timeline, which we defeat. That way he is able to then send Gul'Dan to us through the same gateway, and we manage to permakill the correct Archimonde. My two cents.

I always thought Archimonde's original death was permanent because of the nature of what occurred during it, with the wisps tearing his soul apart, destroying his soul, in a rare instance of an exception to the rule regarding how demons can permanently die.

What about the old gods? They could just group up 2-3 N'Zoths or Yogg- Sarons ect. And wipe us out. Multiverse stuff is messy.

Illidin will absorb Sargeras, become a Titan Hunter and give DH's 3rd spec, they will save us last minute from the Titans and help us beat them, and finally sacrifice themselves to stop the Void Lords.

I'm all here for a Burning Legion 2.0 headed by Denathrius

"Pointless Waffle." I am going to use that line the next time I go to IHOP.

In an interview I had with Steve Danuser he said that the only original timeline is the one that has the soul of a titan inside, supposedly in the other timelines or parallel universes, the azeroths are empty, without a titan soul and he also confirmed that it is not necessarily the soul of a titan but it could be something else but he did not want to go into more detail because that would be spoilers.

I honestly think the one Legion across all timelines makes more sense than there being infinite legions, if anything just for the fact that it gives more impact to our defeating and sealing away Sargeras. The opposite is there always being a risk another legion could decide to start invading other universes and an infinite number of Sargeras' posing a threat. We still have Archimonde alive to lead the Legion, as it was stated that the Mythic Phase where he gets beaten in the Nether would very likely be considered non-canon.

I like it when you say, "*we* understand this already.." and, like, "*we* already knew that" cuz im smrt, too. Lots of people think im just the guy that runs in a circle in the forest spammin' /train.. .. but i understand the words you say out loud.

Making multiverse was probably the biggest mistake outside of shadowlands expansion, if done perfectly it at best contributes nothing to the story without ruining it, if done badly it makes the lore worse by a huge margin

I feel like it's more plausible due to the rift in time connecting alternative draeneor with our universe that it was our unvierse Archimonde, maybe he planned to be summoned into Alternative draenor as to much easier invade our timeline or using that option to open a way for the legion in our timeline. Aka alternative Draenor Archimonde and Kill'jaeden could still be alive in that scenario.

Why did you ignore chronicles? Yes, its our Archimonde and our KJ. Different timlines basically dont exist until its stabilized. AU Draenor materialized the moment Garrosh appeared there. Same moment Legion realised that it can be used and sent Archimonde (who was in the nether) to contact Gul'dan.

I don't know if I like this idea. I rather have new heroes/Villain and storys than see dead guys we keep killing again. Than it feels like nothing never changes in lore or wow universe just endless repeating cycles.

"If someone dies in another Shadowlands timeline, they aren't going to appear where we can see them." Didn't one of the devs say in an interview that each timeline version basically shares the same soul and they all end up condensed together wherever Universe Prime version goes to when he dies, regardless of their own actions?

WoW's lore always led to Ouroboros "The Devourer". Chris Metzen's favorite theme. Remember Devourers appeared out of "nowhere" In Zereth Mortis. Would be interesting if someone like Bellular nitpicked it, to see where it will lead the story. The doomsayers, the Ouroboros symbols in Oribos, the ever hungering Devourers, and that part that said that even void will scream in pain because of what's coming all leads to Ouroboros IMO. Also Metzen is coming back to help with the lore ;)

I never thought that Archimonde died permanently in Hellfire Citadel, he brought us into the Twisting Nether for his final phase yes, but the cinematic afterwards clearly shows him dying in the physical world, presumably after leaving the Twisting Nether at the last second. So even with the "one legion across all timelines" thing, I still thought Archimonde had the potential to return at any time.

I wish they would've made it so that you just can't exist in another timeline for long periods of time from the start. The idea that, for every villain we defeat, there are countless alternate versions of them across the timelines who could just decide to hop over to ours makes the whole lore feel so chaotic and impermanent. Alternate timelines are cool things to peek into briefly, like with the time rifts, but it's a real pandora's box of a plot device that makes everything messier the easier it is to do.

"Are there really an infinite number of parallel universes?" "No, just the two." "Oh. Well, I guess that's enough...."

Good call. Imagine having infinity billion troops and space ships and still losing to 25 people with swords.

theres a not so simple way to make this all work. whatever "true timeline" that our characters interact with is that universes cannon. when we went back in time it was our actions that splintered the true timeline into alternate timelines, and any other existing alternate timelines dont exist until they interact directly with our azereroths titan soul. the legion being able to defeat and capture other azeroth's or the titans being in full control of another azeroth or even the infinite flight or void, none of them matter because our azeroth is different. the one legion across all timelines can make sense but the titans in control of that i.e. kil'jaeden argus etc. have to have an origin point in one timeline. every time the timeline splinters into another direction a whole new universe is born, adding to the multiverse of timelines, so beating an alternate version of azeroth has no bearing on the cosmos because our universe isnt directly connected. we are still in the events of the one true timeline according to the titans, although that might be titan propaganda it has its merits in discoursing time travel shenanigans.

I really wish they never multiversed the WoW story, I'd rather killing an enemy actually mean something. Now, if we kill our Sargeras, it's kinda meaningless because any number of other universe Sargerases can just pop up and cause the exact same problem. Very hard to find meaning in the story plot like this.

Doing a multiverse story would be the final nail in the coffin of the clusterfuck that is wow’s lore.

This makes a lot more sense that the "one legion" bs, but it still leaves me scratching my head about a few things. Why would the AU Legion be so bothered about getting to our Azeroth? Why were we so focused on defending AU Draenor if it wasn't (at that point) a part of our MU? I thought the whole point of the way they set up WoD was that AU Draenor was pulled into our MU, and the Legion we were fighting was our Legion? Otherwise, there's still a lot more questions that need answering. Also, if AU Draenor isn't a part of our MU, why should we give a shit about Yrel and the Light in that universe? Surely they'd be more focused on the AU?

Honestly i always figured that Sargeras, despite disagreeing with the other titans on the methods of purging planets of old god corruption, agrees with the titans on the importance of preserving the order of time. Conquering a world in another timeline is one thing, conquering it in "The One True Timeline" is another. Furthermore, conquering other timelines before the main one opens up a variety of opportunities for them. They could launch attacks on parallel versions of worlds to practice their invasion techniques, use adjacent timelines as staging grounds and/or bridgeheads, and even coordinate troop movements across universes. Perhaps this is why they just "appeared" at the start of the Legion expansion. They just ported in from nearby versions of Azeroth where they were successful.

There are no parallel time-lines. A time-line is replaced by another time-line, when a temporal incursion happens. You may, however, be able to find a Michael in a parallel universe that works as a serious banker.

Honestly I don't care if this is like the 20'th time the legion shows up again, I'm going to love it every time

Legion lore is always the best lore

"Blizzard haven't spoken officially about these things because they haven't needed to." No, it's because they don't know. They think they do, but they don't.

“One burning legion across all timelines” was so monumentally stupid that my brain immediately rejected it and forgot it was said by someone making Warcraft lore. I’m ok with this theory because it allows the one timeline of AU Draenor to be connected to ours in some special way and keep the others in their own bubble. If that little bit of handwaving needs to be done to allow us to fix a lot of the problems from when they were making lore up as they went, I can accept that.

If you wanna get drunk FAST, take a shot every time Bellular says "timeline" or "timelines" in this video :D

"If someone dies on another Azeroth tineline, theyre not going to show up in the Shadowlands where we can see them." Ahah! Except for Admiral Taylor! He died in WoD, in the Spires of Arak, and we see him in Oribos :)

The idea that every alternate universe version of a Person converges into one Person in one, single, multiversal Shadowlands is the dumbest thing ever. According to the lore, our berzerk warmonger Garrosh was actually the minority amidst the many versions of Garrosh in the multivese, where the majority, default Garrosh went on to become the best Warchief of all time. Now imagine all those majority default Garroshes all merging into our berzerk minority Garrosh is just patheticly ridiculous.

I would not be surprised if Blizzard makes "alternative" legion the same legion map but different buildings and different zones to save time and money on that expansion.

Garrosh died in an alternate universe but ended up in our Shadowlands.

I think the idea of one legion makes complete sense from a narrative point of view. It makes the legion an important menace, not just a copy. The burning legion is lead by a literal god of creation. There is a sargeras in every timeline? and copies of titans?. The moment you mix time travel in a story there will be nonsenses, the moment you introduce multiverse you devaluate your characters.

Blizzard basically pulled a Legend of Zelda, with WoD. The Zelda lore is infamous for its many alternate timelines. But most Zelda fans don't seem to mind it too much, since the games are generally good. It might have worked for WoD too, if it wasn't for all the cut content. But I agree one Legion across the multiverse is a bit messy, so this might actually be a good retcon.

I remember hearing one wow youtuber saying that, from all time lines, ours is the one which has the unique singularity of Azeroth as a ultimate god. In that sense apart from the universe where the legion won, we also have the one from the old gods, but still the multiuniverse is not over yet.

The Legion/Twisting Nether being bound to one timeline leaves Prince Malchezaar's alternate version of Gorehowl unexplained. Unless he was special and had a unique way to traverse timelines that he didn't share with his comrades. However, one loot drop is a lot smaller and dismissable of a plot hole than the Legion already having won.

THANK YOU I had realized this yesterday while running up to Illidan on the spaceship. 'Wait if this exists, that means the legion isn't across all timelines'

My current theory is that the turtles are based off of the turtle race in stormblood so we're getting geomancer

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To be honest, trying to apply logic to a fictional story rarely makes any sense, especially about WoW. Despite all of that, I still like and enjoy fighting demons way more than dragons, undead, naga, orcs or whatever and for me, Legion was the not only the last great expansion that I've played, but also one of the very few that I really enjoyed. I didn't really enjoy the Argus part, how the legendary items dropped and a few other minor things, but other than that, I think Legion was a great expansion and amongst the best ones.

At this point I don't care how good or bad the lore is just STOP F'N CHANGING IT!

As I understand it, most other timelines... Don't really exist per se, but are threads of potential, with AU Draenor being essentially a manifested shard, which when coming into reality, didn't include anything outside of Draenor itself (so no AU legion because they weren't brought into existence.).

I just wish Warcraft creators were able to admit they were wrong abutsome statements from the past and would release a lengthy post about what is right and what is wrong so everything kinda fits the lore.

So we have a multiverse of madness again inside the story and they gonna bring back character to fulfill the storyline gaps

*Bellular is so good at his job, that he makes WOW lore interesting*

I think the Cosmic Realms do spawn all Timelines but their Agents, those who are in the Material Realm do not. The Legion would be the Agents of the Fel, while the Fel exists in multiple timelines, the Legion is different in each one.

Even if we killed OUR Archimonde in Alternate Draenor (that Archimonde comes from the same portal into which he later throws Alternate Gul'dan in, who ends up in OUR timeline, which means that portal is some sort of cross-timeline portal), alternate Archimonde could still be alive; what's more, there are infinite timelines, we can eventually fudge up with the timeways so much we leave a door open for an alternate Legion that tries to conquer our timeline (imagine a timeline where they were defeated by a stronger force than the might of Azeroth and the Army of the Light combined but managed to survive and decide to try luck in our timeline because they see us as weaker than our counterparts from their own timeline). I mean they can do a lot of things to bring back the Legion if they want to.

The "Only one Legion" bit does fall to pieces if you consider all the timelines sharing one demon. How many Gul'dans do you think got stood up by Mannoroth due to a busy schedule? Thereby meaning what number of Hordes just never drink the blood critical to their corruption?

Barry Allen goes back in time to save his mom. Garrosh goes back in time to save his dad.

Most of the books from Knaak and others suggest that there is a multiverse and plethora of timelines but the Legion has a version of itself marching across each of them. But despite those differences key events like the destruction of the well of eternity and Sargaras falling to madness being immutable events across all universes otherwise the timeline would unravel in its entirety. The last guardian book actually shows that Karazan as a odd focal point of the universe one in which time is distorted and apparitions of other time lines can be observed. It’s also what Illidan was tortured with by Sargaras when his eyes were burned out. So yeah it makes no sense for them to change their stance on how the universe work. That said the world soul of Argus has been destroyed and used by the Titans so while Archimond could still be revived it would take waay longer to return.

The multiple casual plugs of the pale beyond.

When you cant come up with any good original villains, you gotta retread old ones over and over and over.

Meanwhile, Bellular: "you ever hear the tragedy of Lord Archimonde?"

can't forget about Ve'nari which is somewhere in cosmos

the moment they started to introduce alternate realities and timelines I know it was gonna fuck everything up and did it ever mess stuff up

I love how blizzard leaned and and made a concerted effort to tie all the lore together before metzen left by making chronicle and then as soon as they blew thru all the story ideas they were like… its all a lieeee instead of just writing better follow ups they just introduced bigger bad guys from much further back in time to keep blowing up in one raid each… its a shitshow. Legion was the best storytelling theyve ever done in one xpac imo, and yes it had some problems that we didnt know at the time but they coulda been better if done better later on. Afrasiabi wanted to make sylvanas the villain and garrosh better and learn in cata questing. When he returned to the team he tried to push that narrative back which was so clunky because the game didnt go that route when he was away… and then when he left it was all swept under the carpet with even worse lore attempting to explain it away!

The one thing i thought about from time rifts came from the warlands. Looking at the books that dropped i had a theory that its history was that arthas (as a dk) failed to take dalaran and summon archimonde. No legion invasion so no horde/alliance teamup hence that timeline

The Arch we fight is OUR Arch, the Dungeon Journal states he reaches across time and space to ensure azeroth's invasion. So I think that our KJ sent our Arch to AU draenor to make a pact with AU Gul. We know that various MU characters traveled to AU Draenor after the initial invasion as per our Garrison, so it stands to reason that our Arch had the means to travel there after finding out what happened and KJ creating a plan to use this new AU Gul to launch a new invasion on our Azeroth. As for AU Arch and KJ? Either Yrel did defeated them like Bel said or maybe Arch had them killed to avoid any interference.

we are actually back in timeline where outland does not exist ... we do no longer access to ANTI materia on our flying mounts! It is like we have propeller

Archimonde was either regenerated by the time we killed Argus, or he’s dead. Argus is how the Legion regenerated, so with him gone…

Zovaal was just prepared us for the ultimate life form…king of all murlocs.

Mutliverses and multiple timeline threats reek of desperation to pump up your numbers by bringing back fan favorites instead of actually being creative and coming up with a good new story. It worked in Avengers, then everyone wanted to have their own multiverse and beat it like a dead horse.

If you think about the concept that time only means something on Azeroth and Draenor and the realms connected to them then the nether wouldn’t exist in time. That also would explain why when people travel the cosmos of Warcraft it can be thousands of years but they don’t age the same as on Azeroth. Shadowlands and all lands are connected to our Azeroth. The reason the legion wants our Azeroth is because our Azeroth is the only one that is a titan soul.

i believe archomoinde of our timeline is dead the wisps are spirits and their detonation meant the sacrifice of their souls which i think hurtss the soul of the victim destroying it utterly its also better that way as this makes our efforts in wc3 to kill him actually have a meaning that he actually died and wont just respawn

Next Expac is gonna be Light vs. Void... but its gonna be Yrel vs Xal'atath.

Alternate timelines work because they would all splinter off the "main" timeline mentioned by the Titans. They preserve this one because it's one where they win, but the Void for example, see all of the timelines and once because they see all possibilities, which each splinters into their own timeline. It's easier just to do the multiverse approach tbh. Though, you could argue this is all a multiverse in and of itself with each timeline being its own universe. Depending on the rules of time travel you subscribe to.

Haven't watched this video quite yet, but this is how I think WoW should have approached timelines: There's only one natural timeline, and the Twisting Nether (and other cosmic realms) exist outside it. The physical universe, where time exists, is at the intersection point of all those forces, as in the cosmology chat. From the Legion's perspective, in the Twisting Nether, the reason there is "one Legion across all timelines" is because they are outside of time, so they see individual planets like imperfections in the veil between the Nether and Reality, whatever their origin. Second, all 'alternate timelines' are a perversion of reality caused by the Well of Eternity. Until 10,000 years ago there was only one timeline. Once the Well of Eternity imploded and caused a massive arcane surge (which is said to be what time magic is related to) reality rippled across *Azeroth*, so *Azeroth* has alternate timelines, as of 10,000 years ago, that are like ripples in a pond - they fade in, exist for a while, then vanish. Most of the time they don't matter, and the Bronze flight is responsible for ensuring nothing from them interferes with our true timeline, or making sure no one from our true timeline interferes with them because the more cross-contamination occurs the longer an alternate timeline persists. Which leads to WoD. Since alternate timelines only started 10,000 years ago, there are multiple Velens purely because Kairoz used Azeroth's connection to Outland to seize on a slight ripple that caught Draenor in its arcane swell, and he used his true timeline knowledge to make that Draenor persist. From the Legion's perspective, a new Draenor appeared from their position in the Nether, they recognised it, and realised they had one more shot. Our fucking around in WoD caused that timeline to persist long past it was supposed to expire, which allowed for the state it was in during the Mag'har scenario. Time Rifts, as they are in this patch, should have just been temporary timelines that are fading in and out because of the Infinite trying to change history, and not full timelines that have always existed alongside Azeroth. I think that would cover most instances of time travel and alternate timelines in the setting without many issues, but unfortunately that's not the direction they went.

Your idea would to irreparable damage to the existing lore. It would "Marvel"-ify the WoW Cosmos in a way that Shadowlands could only dream of. I would love to discuss it further, but it would bore the shit out of most people. But basically: The Burning Legion only works if there is a single legion.

Little late on this one, but my headcannon always had it that when they went to AU Draenor, the anomaly created by Garrosh and bronze dragon allowed the legion to find it, and seemingly “connect” each reality to send forces too. Or at the very least, MU archimonde saw the opportunity with the portal and altered it to summon him instead of somebody else. I’m probably wrong, but I swear I read or heard somewhere that this timeline is the only one that Azeroth has a world soul? So that’s why it’s so important to the titans as opposed to ulderoth where it appears titan controlled already.

This makes Mecha-Jaraxxus canon.

Maybe they should attempt what DC tried and close the gaps between the "multiverse" the way they did in the Arrowverse on the CW. Since we're still within Chromie and her storyline, could be how she could solidify her becoming an aspect.

Nine Princes in Amber had a premise of One Real Dimension that everyone was fighting for, although there were other. It is a well enough known piece that it might have been an inspiration.

honestly, i liked the idea of "One legion across all time lines" it gives new feel and gravity to what the Burning legion needs to accomplish. They may have conquered multiple other time lines but maybe to invade certain other timelines it's literally a game of checkers across timelines where they can't touch certain time lines until they invade certain time lines. The "Twisting Nether" had that mystery about it. Maybe, they'd send forces to invade our time line and they were sent to a place that they had already conquered! in my opinion, doing this "multiple time line" thing was dumb. However, we're still talking about a work of fiction. The sad truth of all fiction is as long as the writer says "it's cannon" then it's something that happened in that fictions world. For example, Aunt May (Spidermans grandma) did not actually feed Galactus a giant cream filled lard treat saving the planet, this was not cannon. The writers of any fictional story can tell you "this happened" and then tell you "that happened" and both be correct if they wanted them to be correct even if they seem or really look like they conflict with each other. My problem with World of Warcraft is their combat system. i can't take it anymore. Reason why i love Guild Wars 2, i just wish they'd do a total world revamp. Not like how WoW did Cataclysm.

how I see things in warcraft universe is this. Every cosmic force and its titans that are multidimensional and multi timeline transporting beings. In our universe, order titans decided to control this timeline because they managed to order this universe better that rest of them and so had the best change to get their hands on Azeroth. Like other timelines where death controls azeroth and fel, light and so on. And it seems that the great game for these cosmic forces are to every cosmic faction to boost their influence just in order to hinder others efforts in other timelines.

Nothing makes me feel like nothing I did or do matters like multitimelines and multiverses

The only thing that hits a snag for me is the portal Arch came from was the same portal he sent AU Gul’dan through. Meaning it could still be our Arch w/o the bs of “One Legion across all timelines”. Meaning AU Arch and AU KJ would still be alive while ours are both dead. I think you’re on the right track, but I still think it’s our Arch, unless they openly retcon it.

Sorry Bell, but this is stupid. The idea of the one prime timeline and one Legion was way better. When Garrosh went back in time to WOD, he CREATED a separate split off time zone for Draenor. That is why Gul'Dan is NOT a separate Gul'Dan from another time line. He was the main Gul'Dan, just not dead yet. When the Legion got wind of what was going on, they just melded their souls and understanding into the past Draenor through the same method Garrosh used. Even when we see "multiple timelines" in DF, they were just alternative possibilities based on repercussions the Bronze Dragonflight's (or someone else's) time medaling could have had.

@BellularGaming You are doing great job here. Thank You for that! During this video I found many answers for my questions. The most diturbing question right now is: How the timelines work together? We have acces to our timeline old dreanor and the other timeline dreanor (WoD's expansion). Do these two timelines are connected and existing as a one connected timline? Can we go and check how's oing in second dreanor (WoD's expansion) timeline?