The Life and Death of Pontiac: RCR Car Stories 

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@tum wish they were still around had meant bunny's and a 67 lemons ho was a good on a lemons platform 389 gto int lemons exterior

Wow! You're my hero. Just like one guy I know, he was workin on the Fiat 125p and 126p cars his whole life. He knows every single bolt, you can wake him up at 1 o'clock a.m. and he will fix that car :-)

I shake your hand giving you much respect! I own a Pontiac G6 and will always replace what it needs and hang on to it! when i was 9 i remember watching my mom rebuild a motor on a convertible GTO! I still cherish those memories! she was absolutely amazing! she's now a 71 yr old retired certified mechanic! she tough me everything! 🥰

@@scottsmith596 - Either English is obviously NOT your native language (or) you are DRUNK. What are you trying to say?

Until them and Saturn became victim of GM's badge engineering! It's a shame that the G8 didn't make it, as it was the right car at the wrong time due to the 2008 recession and everyone wanting fuel-sippers.

I still have my tiger tail..flew it out of the trunk of '65 goat..

@@PlymouthNeon dont forget oldsmobile

My parents had a Catalina.

@@oilsmokejones3452 Theres a tiger in the tank! lol, what a cool time for cars. Im only 30 but even I can see the amazing spirit and appeal of the 60s n 70s and even some 80s cars. Like we will never see a production car with a huge hood scoop, aggressive styling and pinstripes with a giant phoenix painted on it in this era. Hell, even the fun of t-tops have completely disappeared. All cars now stink of design by committee with absolutely no risks taken.

AMC, Plymouth, Oldsmobile, Mercury well missed too...😔

Ford did the same.

Actually, while not widely known, WW2 was actually started over Pontiacs. Japan wanted to import them for thier Royal Emperor's personal use while parading around Tokyo...GMC elected to refuse to do so as they were having trouble keeping production up to meet demand here in the states, so Japan, in anger, frustration and retaliation, lobbed many bombs onto Pearl Harbor. Until the very end of thier production, Pontiac steadfastly refused to ship ANY Pontiacs at all to Japan and, over time, Japan steadily got angrier about it!! This finally came to a head when the USA dropped the first ever atomic bomb directly onto Japan's largest Toyota plant!

Fords River Rouge plant has like 10 different basements. In the lower levels with control valves, the valves still have Swasticas in the center…

That's what i said, until i heard romans horrible, breathy, spit-slathered voice and i almost puked.

Roman is a beautiful man and shall be respected.

@@frick4914 not by me he shall not

Ian Holmquist unbelievable

Hey hey hey. This is a family channel

will not like... because 69

and allways good for a rewatch

Excellent 👍 documentary on the birth the life and the demise of the Pontiac brand.The last words about the brand was Especially poignant. It was like a eulogy of the life and times of a loved one , of a loved famous person, of a friend... Something that is memorable and precious as a ❤️❤️❤️ automotive enthusiast could imagine. During and after the 2009 crisis I was saddened by the deaths of Phymouth and earlier in the 2000's Mercury BUT , Pontiac really struck a cord within my automotive loving heart .... First like any death of something or someone special there is shock, then denial, then hope that all is not true and hope of a Resurrection from the grave. And then... There's the realization that it a done deal and there's nothing else left except memories of what was and what could have been.... R I P .. Pontiac....😫

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it does say “the life and death of pontiac”

Modern buick, yes. Buick had damn good engines back in the day. 3800 V6 will outlast us all

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Would owners, which there are probably few left of T1000s feel the same?

row2noob G8’s can be bad ass rides.

@@toyoscio Surprised the T1000 was not mentioned. It was the first major brand engineered mistake foisted on Pontiac. It was truly a sign of things to come, not only to Pontiac, but GM as a whole.

G8 gt, trac off, sport shift, floor it, THE WORLD

@@williamepps9519 Lol so so true.

My very first car was a '54 Pontiac with the straight 8 motor I bought in 1960. Over the years I have always either owned a Pontiac or at least was Pontiac powered. Today I drive a Pontiac Fiero...V6 5 speed, which I bought almost ten years ago with less then 20K on it (It had belonged to a Pontiac dealer in MN, who, because it was the last year of production, placed it on his showroom floor for seven years then moved it to Florida, where he drove it as his personal car only when on vacation. It is my only car now and has about 75K on it. My mechanic has his eye on it and I have promissed it to him when I'm through with it. For decades I had a boat with a V-drive powered by a Pontiac 400 and spent many hours on Lake Shasta cruising. About 15 years ago that was the first 'date' my Austailian 2nd wife and I had....a day spent cruising around on Shasta Lake.

So you didn't call it Christine then?

@@nickibanks5185 Nah; it was yellow and black, not red and white!

I hear you. I still miss my '89 Buick Electra Park Ave. If I ever win the lotto, I'm tracking it back down and dumping $50k into that old boat.

I miss my '89 Pontiac Grand Prix with its 5 speed. At some point I'll find a nice one and put it in my garage.

I so agree with you I loved my 86 t-type but completely adored my 06 spice red metallic gto that was my dream car the first car I ever named. her name was Audrey I mourned her when I got hit by a drunk driver and I still miss that car I am going to get another 06 gto and yes I know it's a Monaro but here in georgia where I live she's a gto and it's still my number 2 obtainable dream car

I miss my 1989 Thunderbird. Yeah, it was a beater, non-supercharged, and I basically had to fix /everything/ on it (and had so many "works for the most part" bits), but I miss it. Maybe someday, I'll get one that gen w/ Supercharger. Someday.

So true. If someone said "Hey, I have a Black, 1991 Mercury Grand Marquies LS for sale" I would be all over them. Or an '03 Marauder. We ALL love that first car we lost.

Please keep it going! It deserves to be tearing up the roads

Grandma shudda got a Grand Am instead! :P

There's a small cradle that supports the 2 trans coolant lines on their way from the radiator to the trans and back. Wire brush these clean and squirt the area full of 50 year pure silicone as this cradle tends to accumulate moisture and rot holes in the trans lines. Unless yours is a stick-shift. That was the only trouble I had with my '88 bird that I could have prevented. Also be aware, like the Mustangs, the inner door handles snap off and unless you gentle with them, you'll be opening the windows to grab the outside handle to let yourself out.

what an amazing profile picture for someone born in the 50s and someone that cant even spell sixties correctly, Thank you for faking the fact you were a teenager in the 1960s, decades before you were born

@@qrud LOL Nailed it! have a like sir

Or apparently one year later on the train

I miss my 2002 Accord coupe like none other! I totally get it.

There's a car sales next to the Love's truck stop in quartzite az that has your honda

Miguel- Great comment!!

Yeah i once wrecked a 1970 Opel Manta. Only increased in value by 80x since then...

My first car was a 1968 Pontiac Tempest with a 428 it had a dispute with a tree...the tree won...

Pontiac wanted a car to take on the Corvette, but the board of directors wasn't having any of that. As an insult, Pontiac was told to base their new car off of the Chevette instead. I think they did pretty well under the circumstances.

@@Hathorr1067 that sounds a lot like favoritism to the highest extent

@@Hathorr1067 It's funny considering the c2 was a crtl c and crtl v of the Pontiac Banshee. And GM had a policy similar to Ferrari ie "herp derp you can't make anything more powerful then this". So if you want blame anyone for the death of Pontiac blame the lazy fucks at Chevy that stole their design.

@@Hathorr1067 And they did….at least partially. Some steering components from ‘84-87 crossed with the Chevette.

Another former Fiasco owner. Had an ‘85 2M4, an ‘85 GT (both ultimately for parts) and an ‘88 Formula. Shame that GM didn’t let them build the proposed 2nd generation, where the 3800 would have replaced the 2.8. Would have been a halfway competent sports car.

Fuck history channel lol

I don’t see any aliens in here....

The History Channel is now the alien conspiracy theory channel.

You're lacking in Pawnstars, Pickers, alligator hunting, Aliens, searching for non existent Nazi gold or historically inaccurate period series (oh the irony). So you're so much better.

@@Ideo7Z Like Pickers and Pawn Stars. By the way you forgot Counting Cars

probably . no one misses their pontiacs. they celebrate having finally rid themselves of em' . no kiddin.

@@newbiepee7273 With 90% of post-80s Pontiacs, I would agree with you. They didn't really make the best (or even good) consumer-grade cars... But the death of a significant part of American muscle car history is a sad thing to see pass. RIP Trans Am and GTO.

@@CurtDegree ya the non boomer era plastic ones for sure. just nvr see the old school rear wheel ones ever anywhere since like 2000 or lil before.

GM ; “Giant Mistakes “ You can rightly blame GM management for the murder of Pontiac AND Oldsmobile ! They were both fantastic cars , I owned both over the years. GM mgt failed to foresee the future and build smaller more fuel effecient cars, then ( get this) they covered their asses by charging that both these fine divisions had run their time and horridly closed them down.

@@jnstonbely5215 ehh i mean theyre all the same POS. esp the 90s and 00s . saturn was the only off brand clone brand that shoulda coulda hung arnd. nowaday an elec. ion would prob do well or since cavis are dead bring out a new SC w. like a rs sport option/package, i saw a teal trailblazer the other day and was little much on one those but that teal paint looks great. i had lota sunbirds and SC1 and 2s but wouldt really want anything to do with like a 90s+ era cavalier. maybe a real early boxy one w. v6 but those ones where the whole freakin dash has to come out uhhhhgggg noo way. gimme 30 dodge neons or better yet Elantras but id be damned if i purchased or willingly drove like 2 decades of those shitty cavs or the plasticy ass ugly grand ams. there was a kid who put yellow lightening bolt body length decals on a forrest green sedan god it was ugliest thing ive4 ever seen. glad they nixed most of their ugly cousins and siblings , waay too many and they all sucked.

2:18am just finished the walk down memory lane LMAO

I can agree with axing GMC instead of Pontiac but Saturn should've died. At least Buick was profitable in China and axing Buick would disrupt GM's overseas market share.

I understand. I just remember being real impressed with the sky and ion back then and it really felt like they where trying something new towards the end, probably too little too late at that point, while Buick wasn't doing it for me. I know it makes business sense when they cut the 2 companies I just wish they would've went with the other two since they were playing it safe and releasing mediocre cars.

The absolutely should have axed Buick. But I think their demographic for Buick and Pontiac were so different. Buick was for elderly. Pontiac was fighting for the same ground as GMC. GMC sold trucks. That's why they kept it.

Idiot Online Wondering Aloud - uhh yes they do. Plenty of rich white people driving NEW Escalades. You’re thinking of people driving 10-15 year old Escalades

...Good point

Take my advice; scrap the puny stock engine and put in something "somewhat" more substancial...like a Sonny's 1000....or something like tha...t

@@cindylawrence1515 definitely, the worn out 6cyl is still is fun but I have a 350 v8 that may go in it

The Saturn Sky was also a rebadged Opel. What a pretty little death-trap.

daniel bean I fail to see where my feelings were hurt.

@daniel bean go to school Tommy. You still have a lot to learn about reading comprehension.

Flint.....a dirty word recognized worldwide. The only city in the United States worse than east St. Louis

@daniel bean we in Flint lost a lot more than one brand, we lost the Chevrolet, Buick, ACDelco, and Engine plants in town

Barry white. Grow up. Picking on the Jewish people is getting very very old asshole.

I did have a 78 Trans Am, and wished I had a girlfriend like Sally Field.

I remember Burt Reynolds telling a story (probably here on RU-vid somewhere) of when they made Smokey & the Bandit and how popular it made the Trans-Am by seriously increasing it's annual sales. He said the head of GM called him and, in their appreciation, GM pledged to give him a "free T/A every year for life". Burt said he graciously accepted the offer and sure enough, every year around the same time a brand new T/A would be delivered to his home until one year he didn't receive one. No T/A, no letter, no call, no nothing... just silence. He hesitated even calling them about it but he eventually did and they promptly told him there was a new man in charge of GM and he said "We aren't doing that anymore". Burt said, "Okay, thank you very much", and that was that. I thought it was really cool of GM to send him a new T/A every year like that but it was a really shitty thing to do to just not say anything about it when they decided to retract their original offer to send him a free T/A every year. You would think at the very least GM would have sent a letter or simply called him on the phone beforehand, but to just do NOTHING was a truly low-class move on the part of GM. I get that they would eventually cease doing this because there comes a point where, as great a movie as it may be, it no longer does anything for their sales. Be that as it may, when a company as big as GM promises to send you a new car every year for life, you should at least contact the person in question should you choose to cease honoring what you told them you would do "for life". When I saw that video clip my opinion of GM has never been the same, as I didn't really have a problem with them no longer sending a wealthy movie star a free car every year. It was simply the WAY they did it which I didn't like.

@@johnhancock6114 I saw the video you're talking about and I also thought it was really shitty of GM to not atleast tell Burt Reynolds they weren't going to do that anymore. Least they could do was to tell him first.

KITT was nice too

My Dad had one when I was a kid and it was a beast!!

I long for the day.

Yes. Yes I can

Actually, if there was a movie which promoted such a beast, sure, it'd be pretty normal. I don't remember many other cars before the Firebird with such graphics

You can buy one . A camaro with a conversion kit. There is a GTO one too. They are expensive, though

With today’s wildly overwrought styling (martian silverado anyone) a car with the screaming chicken on it in 2020 would be comparatively muted. In reality, the (sigh) cybertruck is the cleanest design in years.

I brought your GTO. Its the Holden of USA.

Pontiac was axed instead of Buick, strictly because China was a huge market and Buick was the most prestigious name in cars in China, because The Last Emperor and his bureaucracy were Buick fanboys and later Commie officials were also Buick fans., perhaps just by happenstance, because they were the cars available to China way back then, through kits, license, import., or whatever it was, when most Chinese were lucky to have sandals, much less a car! The Feds , when they were bailing out GM during the 2008/2009 economic crisis, told GM they'd need to choose, so GM knowing there was a built in huge market in China for Buick, killed off Pontiac, even though Pontiac clearly was more popular than Buick, back in the States, because, unknown to most people in the States, Buick was huge in a huge market, with huge potential!

Australian cars are really interesting to me, on the one hand you have lots of Japanese imports and some European brands that Americans never heard of... and then you have huge engined huge bodied cars too! Not to mention the utes, and putting huge American-style engines in tiny imported European cars in the 70s and 80s.. it's a really interesting bag there.

@@sparky6086 gm did Pontiac dirty. As a Oldsmobile fan boy i feel their pain

Yeah, good idea! I was a bike nut in the 90's, but when the Hyabusa came out, even as young and stupid as I was, I thought "ENOUGH ALREADY!!!"

Heck yes.

Suzuki wins. There ya go. Saved you a ton of time.

Yes we do

They said they wanted to do it.

I had a 1964 Parisienne ragtop, in the 70s, and loved that car!

Exactly mate and they could not only be GM's Mopar but also America's BMW as well.

I'm surprised how it wanted only two brands left, which I think made more sense. But on the business sense, they have their side of the story.

@daniel bean bruh

daniel bean ....never nothing so wrong with the Fiero as being under powered and fit and finish were lack lister. They sold a cheap but really lacked punch which was what the care needed. Like the Corvair, engineering wasn't thorough enough but, two great cars none the less.

Who needs friends? LOL

toyoscio Exactly. They only use you. I prefer to be alone.

@@chrisj197438 There's nothing wrong with that.

What Pontiac do you own?

@@gregorymarsh9504 2000 grand prix gtp I'm the middle of a full motor rebuild on the supercharged 3800

I'm in Australia . It's the same as the loss of our iconic Holden .. or gmh .. I believe some Holden models were sold in USA as police cars .. time moves on and things fade to Grey

@@steverowland7828 one of the Holden V8 sedans was rebranded as a “Chevy SS” and sold here in the states. It never gained popularity, but it was was one hell of a sleeper and by all accounts from the people who owned them, an absolute blast to drive. Shame GMs marketing has done so horrible at advertising anything besides the Silverado and Corvette since (probably) the 90s. It definitely could have been a hit with enthusiasts if word got out on it back when it was released.

@@CurtDegree well we will be left to wonder . .. move on as they say .. and go electric .. ultimately fast and " nothing to go wrong " electrical stuff works or it doesn't ! Pretty much

you mean a Camaro?

@@cpt_bill366 Something you can see put of would be nice too. I rented a Camaro SS a few weeks ago, it didn't particularly blow me away, it felt really large and the 10 speed transmission was infuriating, laggy, slow to respond. It was a great vehicle at wide open throttle, else it was frustrating at mid throttle. The interior was great, the best interior user interface I've come across in the center console of a vehicle in a long time.

Didn’t GM just kill the ATS?

Shame they didn't offer the ATS 4dr sedan with a n/a V8, rwd as a Caddy, Pontiac or Chevy...would have been a nice follow up to the Chevrolet SS/Holden Commodore/Pontiac G8/V1 CTS-V.

John Pearson the g6 was actually a pretty good car, many of them still on the road today. The current 3.6 v6 has quite a bit more power than the 3.5 v6 offered back then. That 4 speed auto was the g6s Achilles heel. Put one of the current autos in it and it would still sell. A 300 hp sedan that gets 30 mpg would eat into Camry and accord sales.

Invidious Ignoramus I do as well and my dad does as well.

​@Umbra Mortis oh, a 64? Not a fan of the stacked headlights of the 65?

You're gonna laugh, but what I've always wanted was a '64 Catalina 4-door, with a 401 and just swap out the trans for a Richmond 5-speed... I know it's not a GTO, but I'd love to just drive it every day. I'm not sure if it'll work in the winter though.. Most people use 60s muscle-cars as some kind of week-end toy, but I'm thinking, at one point these weren't collectible vehicles, they were just regular transportation, so they must have some kind of heater or rear-window defroster, right?

@Umbra Mortis I was afraid someone would mention rust.. Guess I'd need to think of sending it off to get stripped, rust-proofed, painted and coated before really thinking of it as a daily. I live in Romania so that'd be wise, given it would be nearly impossible to get spare panels here in case of rusting. We also have a thing here, for our old Dacias, a kind of paste that we use to coat the underside of cars, and also grease for the inside of sills. Would be a bit silly to use it on a US import, but physics is physics and would likely work...

Invidious Ignoramus 69 Catalina is what I’d want

Its like the entire town is an abandoned mall now. Very walking dead ish.

I once worked in the Phoenix Center on Wide Track Drive, just outside the city were beautiful estates

Exactly. Business

Though that creates a long term problem of its own. Yeah older generations like boomers may be the only ones with money for the most part, but what happens when they stop driving and buying? I think it was a bit funny Roman didn't make mention of the new GTO , when it some ways just kind of actually shared the G-8 issues about... Its rollout not catching enough Gen Xers, a few of whom might have the damn money but had due to various doldrums basically lost interest in newer cars that were attainable as mostly just front drive and bloat, instead of shouting to the rooftops 'This isn't just a gussied-up imitation Accord! It's a mad Holden for America! ' I know I wasn't following much new-car news at the time, but if I'd *had* a different income bracket I probably would have needed my attention actually grabbed. (Frankly, US car *ads* even seemed afraid to say something even was rear drive or could be had with a stick, thinking these weren't what most consumers wanted to hear, but for halo cars, you bet, yeah. It's kind of like the mistake Ford made with the weird-looking 'Mercury Merkur XR4ti' which just looked lumpy and weird and probably could also be assumed to be another front drive thing with a weird wing setup, and no one knew the potential pretty much cause they were pretty much sold to Lincoln Mercury customers. If they stuck like the Cosworth name on that, people would have noticed here.

@@OllamhDrab well, what ends up happening when they don't pay attention to the Gen Y generation until it's too late is the mid-engine Corvette. A car that pisses off the older Generations, but it's really not meant for them. It's meant for the guy that's in his mid-thirties that makes six figures a year and wants a fun sports car that's like a Ferrari, without a Ferrari price tag. And there you have it. The demise of brands like Pontiac have led to other GM automakers now scrambling to revise themselves as more appealing to millennials at the last minute. And it looks awkward honestly.

@@jlcii Hrm. Being a Gen Xer I'm pretty dismayed about most cars seeming to be made for blithe acceptance of completely computer-and-battery-dependent cars without even physical keys, for pity's sake, touchpad screens you can't use by feel and will be hugely expensive if not impossible to replace by the time they hit the used market bracket I'm usually in... and so are many of my friends.... A lot of the problem is a lot of my generation and especially the ones after just don't have the scratch to *be* new car buyers in the mass numbers some would prefer, so they try to get everyone in crossovers or sedans. I'm not alarmed about the C8 in particular, though, not in the market, even at that price, but some fans have wanted that for decades and it looks pretty slick. There's still the C7 for those who want FR configuration, and I think they basically got that right, by the sound of things.

Pontiac was axed instead of Buick, strictly because China was a huge market and Buick was the most prestigious name in cars in China, because The Last Emperor and his bureaucracy were Buick fanboys and later Commie officials were also Buick fans., perhaps just by happenstance, because they were the cars available to China way back then, through kits, license, import., or whatever it was, when most Chinese were lucky to have sandals, much less a car! The Feds , when they were bailing out GM during the 2008/2009 economic crisis, told GM they'd need to choose, so GM knowing there was a built in huge market in China for Buick, killed off Pontiac, even though Pontiac clearly was more popular than Buick, back in the States, because, unknown to most people in the States, Buick was huge in a huge market, with huge potential!

Agree. I ordered Black on Black 1970 Grand Prix SJ w/ 455. I had distributor re-curved and carb. reworked. Could smoke any and all road runners and mustangs. Would only run on Sunoco 260. What a beauty. Wish i had it now, be worth a fortune.

Also could listen to it idle all day long. What music!

I love the 63 and 64 Tempest/LeMans and early 60s 8 lug Bubble Top Super Duty Catalinas.

They’re beautiful styling continued through the 70’s if you ask me, firebirds, and gto’s looked good through the 70’s aswell.

I hit wrong button meant to be thumbs up!

What year?

Based off my experience with Pontiac " BAD " as far as I concerned all of G.M can go the way of the DoDo bird , Chrysler with them and Ford can bring up the rear , they'd can all go to the junk yard , I'll never buy anything other than Japanese again .

@InfiniteMushroom When Bush was President, gas was up past 5 dollars a gallon for a time. That toasted the Detroit economy, and every homeowner who worked for the big three, or supplier.

Remember how much better nostalgia used to be lol

@@travishagan8951 🤣🤣🤣

It's sad how we went from cars like the GTO, the Chevelle, the Mustang, the Roadrunner, Barracuda, etc. to cars of the 1970's like the Vega.

@@mickeymch876 The vega, I always thought they were kinda cool Looking when they were dressed up, but the aluminum block really didn't do it any favors back then.

Exactly, it's a SUV world now

@@toyoscio SUV/ Pickup Trucks

It would've been nice to see Pontiac make vehicles going head to head with what Dodge has now.

chaseman94 hell yes that would be awesome.

Eh I don’t think they’ll axe the camaro. Literally no source has any actual report from gm just speculation

Hey brother my mom loved Pontiac as well.

It was built to fill a fleet order, so no.

Well it's definitely sitting in some parking lot anyway, just a rental lot in this case.

Fleet vehicle from 10 years ago? At best, that thing is on the fourth owner, hooned out and leaking oil on someone's street.

@@zestymordant Yep. I'm sure you could build quite a hoopty fleet of clapped out $250 G6's, spraying out their fluids like the ghetto porn stars they were always meant to be.

The G6 was quite popular, which is why there were still fleet orders for it despite the brand being killed.

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Speaking of ovals, Chrysler/Dodge/Plymouth's "cab forward" era was pretty dreadful as well, responsible for the "cloud cars," the neon, and intrepid...

Ford is still around. Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Saturn, Hummer and Saab have gone to the "dust bin" of Automotive History joining Rambler, Desoto, Packard, Plymouth, Studebaker and other iconic car brands.

Yeah, that one was an eyesore lol. Still, if you want cheap luxury transportation they practicly give these things away lol And most of them are still brand new. Only 65 year old grey man bought those back in the day and only drove it 2 times a week.

It's surprising so many brands we grew up with are gone. I remember the dealership signs were like.... Ford Lincoln Mercury Bobcat dealer.

@@4thstooge75 you forgot Mercury and even though everyone forgets this one the Eagle.

Great list I would add K.I.T.T. from Knight Rider also.

@@stevemilnes8845 Sounds awesome brother

I’ve loved trans-am since I was a kid, and I’m only 24. Such remarkable cars and I loved the look of Pontiac. Always wanted a grandam for my first car lol.

Yes, and GMC is basically a rebadged Chevy. Pontiac was the sporty division of GM and had so much potential.

F in chat for SAAB... GM gives everything, swede need only restyle.... They even change wheelbase

it was only this way starting in the 1980s. Just like the centralization of department store chains in the US-- just greed, stupid/laziness, and "bigger is better" mentality vs the "innovation and brand-building is better" mission GM was guided by for all the decades before. Each division was actually its own independent operation-- developing its own technology, engines, platforms and body parts. The history of GM and what Sloan did to create an upwardly mobile divisional branding system to keep buyers in GM cars as they graduated income and lifestyle levels was a fascinating and innovative strategy-- and waay ahead of its time when he came up with it in the 1920s. It would be like if Toyota Camry's, Chevy Pickups, Chrysler 300s, and Dodge Challengers (dodge wouldb e the closest thing to "pontiac"s function today), Lexus and Cadillac were each as they are now - but produced under one company's leadership, today.

English is a HARD language aint it? L0L

I bought a 1964 gto at boomershine Pontiac in Atlanta in February 1965 when I was 21 yrs old. If you couldn’t afford a Ferrari the gto was close enough. Every time I see a pic of one I wonder if it’s the one I owned way back then. I’m 76 now and wonder where those years have gone. I thought I’d be young forever. And so it goes...

Nashes lived on as AMCs into the mid 80s.

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LT1 powwa Baby!!!

Some GM cars back in the 2000s still have rear drums

@@scarea2691 Many cars o f many makes still used drums in the rear in the early 2000's.

@@scarea2691 My friend has a 2014 Mazda with rear drums.

Nick you’re right about the 2 wheel brakes, that was one reason for the demise of the Rickenbacker automobile. Captain Eddie insisted on 4 wheel brakes for his cars, while other auto companies whose cars featured only 2 wheel brakes claimed, rather ridiculously that brakes on th3 front wheels would cause the car to flip over in a panic stop. Studebaker was the first American car to offer disc brakes on the Avanti in 1962.

Don't hold your breath!

Josh Cade they can bring back the name but Pontiac cars are gone forever. You can never go back home because it dosnt exist any more

@@mikecastellon4545 U know car is more than plaque, its soul emotion feels and story u make with it

Mateusz Zimon some cars have a soul and a life of their own . These will talk to you if you’re willing to listen. Sadly , the new ones are mostly lifeless appliances like a stove or refrigerators. In February 1965 I purchased a 1964 gto and kept it about 6 yrs. it appears to me in my dreams once or twice a yr and I strongly suspect it may be alive and well and living as a pampered pet in someone’s garage. I ve had the privilege to have owned several very interesting vehicles in my lifetime and I’m the richer for it. I’ve felt at times if u love them enough they come to life and endure in your memory to the end and beyond. I only buy used cars that I know their history and “story”. Like myself, they get old and creaky but more interesting with the passage of time.

If/when GM returns to sportier models, I think that is when Pontiac should be resurrected. Chevrolet is more the every man’s practical car (despite the Corvette and Camaro); Buick is the more sedate, somewhat more luxury division; Cadillac is of course GM’s luxury and status car. Pontiac, if it returns, should be the division for sporty/sports cars, with the emphasis on performance that goes beyond the sheet metal (ala the Fiero). They need to involve more performance and racing enthusiasts and build the car THEY would want to drive . . not just the everyday car that looks fast standing still. Then you could get young people and people young at heart interested in Pontiac.