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Orodreth's parentage and progeny are debated among fans to this day. Whether he was the brother or nephew of Galadriel, we know he was twice the ruler of elven kingdoms that fall to two of Morgoth's greatest servants - Glaurung and Sauron.
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@NerdoftheRings 2 года назад

Which version of Orodreth's family tree do you prefer? Nephew or Brother of Galadriel? Gil-galad's father or not?

@rangerofthenorth1970 2 года назад

I preffer that Gil Galad is son of Fingon. Honestly I dont have any special reason but it's just better for me!

@bash_maxwell 2 года назад

Hmmm... I feel like The Silmarillion is more "canon" than any other supplemental writings. Doesn't matter to me what was published or said later in interviews, etc.

@marcschieer3435 2 года назад

Gil-galad fighting Sauron, mirrowing Fingolfin fighting Morgoth is much more fitting with Gil-galad being Fingon's son aka Fingolfin's grandson

@ecthelionofthefountain8267 2 года назад

Orodreth son of Angrod.

@Enerdhil 2 года назад

Who's yo' Daddy?😜

@valentinkambushev4968 2 года назад

One does not simply figure out Orodreth's family tree...

@marionbaggins 2 года назад

Nor, his son's!!!

@SpecialOrder_937 2 года назад

Even Tolkien didn’t know

@mondenkindqueen Год назад

It’s kinda nice to know that a man who created an entire world, along with millennia of history, a complex mythology and dozens of peoples for it, was in fact fallible.

@faisal5367 11 месяцев назад

Orodreth is son of Angrod, nephew of Finrod who adopted him after Orodreth's father died in Dagor Bragollach.

@Enerdhil 2 года назад

Poor Orodreth got sucked into Morgoth's curse on Hurin. He and his daughter died because of his trust in Turin.

@dtice69 2 года назад

Eh. Technically true. But that makes it sound like it was Turin's fault. In the end, it was Morgoth's curse as a result of Hurin's honor and bravery.

@Enerdhil 2 года назад

@@dtice69 It WAS Turin's fault. It was his PRIDE that built the bridge and refused to cast the bridge down.

@Enerdhil 2 года назад

@@adventuresofavalon2477 Yes, Gelmir and Arminas. They are the same Elves who met Tuor. Ulmo used them very well. They were essential characters in the big events in the end of the First Age.

@davidlundquist1979 2 года назад

@@Enerdhil But wasn't Turin's pride and overconfidence a result of the curse? I forget the exact wording of what Morgoth said, but I seem to recall the gist of it was that it wouldn't prevent Hurin and his family from doing brave and heroic things. It was just that those endeavors would never turn out well, for themselves or for anyone else. Although the fact that Glaurung had to flat-out paralyze Turin during the sack of Nargothrond seems to indicate that the power of the curse was not absolute.

@Enerdhil 2 года назад

@@davidlundquist1979 This is the problem with many people nowadays: trying to make excuses to explain bad behavior when the clear reason is a lack of personal responsibility and/or accountability. Yes the Curse was always there, but in the end Turin still had "free will" to do all of the things he did. For example, chasing Saeros. He could have stopped chasing him long before Saeros ran blindly off the cliff and died. His own instincts seem to be kill first, ask questions later. Forweg, Brodda, Mîm Brandir, and even Turin himself were killed for what reason? You can't just decide to kill people because you are upset at them, or seek revenge, or want to take the easy way out of dealing with a difficult life. All of those reasons are neglecting your own personal responsibility and/or accountability. That is as evil as anything Morgoth does. Now, you can argue that perhaps Gurthang, with its own curse on Turin for killing Beleg, gave Turin no choice but to act evilly. Two curses on one man. However, Turin still had to choose whether he would do good or evil, and he chose to do evil almost 100% of the time. He was a trained warrior and his instincts were to kill, but still you need to ask yourself two questions: Who am I killing and Why am I killing him? Orcs? No problem. All of the people he killed, including Beleg? Not good. His brain'default setting was set on: KILL.😒

@patrikduller8449 2 года назад

Nice. can't wait for that Gil-galad video. His origin is a topic that has been confusing me for quite a while now. Thanks so much.

@SpecialOrder_937 2 года назад

He is Turgons nephew

@ecthelionofthefountain8267 2 года назад

Poor Orodreth! He had many unfortunate things happen to him, including confusion of his parentage. Most say Turin was unlucky but I think both seem to have shared similar fates. Thank you Nerd of the Rings for this video. It was great!

@danilocabrini9047 2 года назад

I love these videos, I don't know where you get the art from. All those drawings, the storytelling, you're fantastic man keep doing these videos. As a Tolkien fan, I love this content, always waiting for your next video! Greetings from London

@owenbergeron4212 2 года назад

I feel like I say this every week, your videos are pretty fantastic. Thanks so much for the content and for giving me something to look forward to every Saturday.

@iapetus915 2 года назад

I always thought there must be something more to Orodreth following Turin's advice than just Turin being super charismatic. Orodreth was the one who lost Tol Sirion/Tol-in-Gaurhoth to Sauron, and later on he was unable to prevent Celegorm and Curufin from usurping the rule of Nargothrond. It's said that the reason Nargothrond abandoned open warfare was due to the fear placed in the hearts of the people by the words of Celegorm and Curufin. Perhaps Orodreth also felt guilt at not being there for Nirnaeth Arnoediad. I think Orodreth all along must have wanted a chance to redeem himself in battle and go out in a blaze of glory like his kin, but he probably deferred to the wishes of his people until Turin came along and was able to convince them otherwise.

@benjamindagorath1534 2 года назад

Masterful work once again, my friend. Maybe I missed it but it seems like Boromir is the only member of the Fellowship without his own video. I’d really enjoy a breakdown of the life and tragically heroic end of that Captain of Gondor. For “they will look for him from the White Tower. But he will not return from mountain or from sea...”

@stefanfrunza4078 2 года назад

I have a video idea Make an entire history of Arda from the two lamps to the 4th age where all major events described in your videos so that we don t need to search to dozens of videos about particular adventures to some how understant all the events that happened in this world You cand split it up in multiple parts like one video for each age or something. Thank you for all of this Tolkien lore. I love your channel

@Thromash 2 года назад

Great content as always & looking forward to what's next. Thanks for all these, you're the only Tolken content creator I watch so everything I've learned as been from your videos.

@menukjau 2 года назад

Would love to see videos of Fingon, Turgon and very complex Maglor (poet, minstrel and the gentlest son of Feanor).

@alanmike6883 2 года назад

Maglor and meadros were the better sons but still bound by the oath

@menukjau 2 года назад

@@alanmike6883 Yes they were, always felt a little empathy for both of them. I would like to think that Maglor survived the destruction of Beleriand and lived a very solitary life into the 2nd and 3rd age, one of the great mysteries/tragedies of Tolkien's folklore.

@alanmike6883 2 года назад

@@menukjau Me too. I like to think that. He's isolation is self imposed as punishment/redemption of what he did because of the oath

@talesoftheeldar8688 2 года назад

Caranthir is more complex than Maglor

@menukjau 2 года назад

@@talesoftheeldar8688 Really! He along with Celegorm and Curufin were arrogant and psychotic. Had no care or empathy for others, Caranthir hated the dwarves, hated Thingol, had no respect for men and hated his own cousins. He was just an angry elf, inherited all the bad qualities of Feanor!

@varen8703 2 года назад

i love these videos, im happy to see you upload every week!

@meenalkale136 2 года назад

I'd love to hear more about Gil-Galad's parentage and I'd like to know your opinions on it. Great video!!!

@shehansenanayaka3046 Год назад

Love your videos. Brilliant video. We always appreciate your hard work and dedication towards these videos.

@cinemastudios9836 2 года назад

Matt, you always make my Saturday!

@mr_android1752 2 года назад

I would love the theory of what would happen if Gandalf stayed with the dwarves through Mirkwood. I am very entertained with your videos. The attention to detail is immaculate 👍👍👍

@lordjimbo2 2 года назад

1:37 - "Spacious 3 BR, 1.5 BA with finished basement, walk-in closet in the master and newly redone kitchen. Gorgeous north-facing view of charred, barren wasteland and constantly belching triple volcano. Inquire today!!"

@lorcankelly8871 2 года назад

Ooh great video been looking forward to one on him. Hopefully elendil and boromir soon

@AndrewCarlisle11B Год назад

Great video Matt! A video talking about some of the differences in the books would be cool.

@zoekhoueiry8235 2 года назад

I love you’re videos. I prefer Orodreth brother of Galadriel. And I would like seeing what ifs videos.

@ShpetimOFFICIAL 2 года назад

Matt, you are awesome at making the Tolkien univers so interesting that makes me wonder why would they just pick the War of Ring part to start with. There's so much more in there. Its mind blowing. Thank you, Matt.

@MR_Yousif 2 года назад

Awesome video, sad story, sad but heroic ending of a legend 💔

@ktm450sx 2 года назад

Been waiting for more 1st age lore!!

@NerdoftheRings 2 года назад

It's arguably the most epic (though tragic) of all the ages!

@ktm450sx 2 года назад

@@NerdoftheRings I’ve always considered it a fairly easy argument haha

@MissGimpsAlot 2 года назад

5 minutes ago! Wow, earliest I've seen an upload 😊

@hazbojangles2681 2 года назад

I’ve been looking forward to this one for a while

@ofgondor5312 2 года назад

NOTR: *mentions Gwindor* Me: *staring at phone* say his name…….SAY IT NOTR: *glances over Beleg saving Gwindor without saying “Beleg”* Me: *sad*

@nickdavidson7841 2 года назад

For me, the published Silmarillion is canon, whatever mistakes might have been included, and it supersedes any other later-published material. So, as the Silmarillion says, I prefer to think of Orodreth as Galadriel's brother, and Gil-Galad as Fingon's son.

@flvflv4712 2 года назад

please make a video of the travels of Galadriel to Numenor

@ppoppicks 2 года назад

I would love to hear you commentary about the Rings of Power producers, writers, directors, etc. ghosting Peter Jackson when he asked for the script.

@pendragnx 2 года назад

the curse of Morgoth was no joke .. what a tragic tale

@johanabigasova6770 2 года назад

Orodreth's death was unfair so I think. Yes, I know that He was stubborn(remember part with stone bridge of Nargothrond), but this cannot be reason of his death and death of his people. Only reason why they died was that Morgoth wanted it. This was Morgoth's revenge for Finrod's help(Beren successfully stole Silmaril from Morgoth's iron crown, because Finrod, king of Nargothrond saved Beren's life).

@Bryon1187 2 года назад

Love the art on this one!

@evancondon1372 2 года назад

Underrated character

@samuellivermore577 2 года назад

And Debbie. Gets me every time

@ianheins650 Год назад

Nice work dude

@drewferguson8324 2 года назад

Get going on that lineage for Gil Galad! Super interested to hear what you have to say as it’s one of my favorite characters.

@Relics_of_Arda 2 года назад

1:03 Very interesting, I never knew that.

@marionbaggins 2 года назад

Orodreth and Gil-Galad - The people we more ask about their parentage?!!!! Me: *Younger* Who are your Parents?!!! Orodreth and Gil-Galad: Yes!!!

@christopherfelipe60 2 года назад

Read this story again from the Silmarillion…which is one of my favorites and the fall of Gondolin..Eol’s swords

@melkhiordarkfell4354 2 года назад

I still like to think Gil-Galad is Fingons son since a non blond in that line of Finwe is just off to me. I also like to think Gil Galad didnt become High King because he was still under 100, so too young by elf standards, until the War of Wrath.

@pavelduba6868 2 года назад

Doesn’t he have silver hair based on Nature of Middle-Earth? That would tie him closer to Orodreth.

@Chociewitka 2 года назад

Gil-Galad's hair is silver according to NoME: page 186: "As in the name Gil-Galad "star of radiance" given to Finwain, last High-King of the Eldar, because of the radiance of his silver hair, armour and shield...

@aesir1ases64 2 года назад

Well ... to me Silver is closer to black than gold, I think its explicitly said all of those from Finarfin line had blonde hair, because they took more of their Vanyar heritage than Noldor heritage, Fingolfin takes more Noldor though, so to me it makes more sense thematically to have Gil Galad from Fingolfin's line.

@Chociewitka 2 года назад

@@aesir1ases64 As far I understand Gil-Galad's silver hair comes from his Sinda mother who - while unnamed - seems to belong to extended Thingol's kin (who are generally fair-haired - blonde, grey, silver and white haired - the rest of the Sindar is black-haired the same way that the Noldor generally are - (except for Thingol's direct descendants who do inherit Melian's black hair). Fingon seems unmarried but if he were married he could not have been married to a Telerin lady in Valinor as he later fought the Teleri in the 1st Kinslaying and for the same reason no Sinda lady would ever have wed him in ME. So how he can have a son with a Teler/Sinda? Whereas Finarfin was wed to the Teler Eärwen - Thingol's niece - as such all of his line is Thingol's kin per default. Orodreth would have had no trouble marrying a distant cousin in ME and being fair-haired himself, having a fair-haired son.

@aminiqbal4907 2 года назад

@@Chociewitka it can also just come from Earwen herself regardless if Orodreth married a Sinda woman or not.

@vn_bricks 2 года назад

Can you make a video about the history of gundabad

@Hydelsius 2 года назад

It's exciting and confusing to be learning so much of the world and people's of Arda where I have never heard of Orodreath before.

@philippechevrier8134 2 года назад

Hey Nerd of the Rings! Got a question for you, it seems to me that beings (Valar, Maiar, the elves and men etc)in the first age are much more powerful than the ones in the second age and the same goes between second and third age. Why is that!? It looks like a theme in Tolkien's world, but I would like a more informed answer

@imaginationsmusic1985 2 года назад

Since reading the Hobbit and LOTR this year for the first time and watching the theatrical edition of the LOTR movies, I have been eating up anything Tolkien. You videos help to satisfy that craving. I've yet to decide to take on reading The Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, ect. I don't want the style of those books to taint my love for Middle Earth. I've been listening to the Silmarillion audiobook to help me decide on buying the book or not. Sorry for the long comment. 😊

@Hero_Of_Old 2 года назад

The Silmarillion can be difficult to read but very rewarding, and only enhances the experience. It helps to watch videos too

@bryanmatthews2370 2 года назад

I'll never understand how you just ignore Ulmo

@davidnattestad7627 2 года назад

One would think that such a significant charachter change, would apply to the newer editions of Silmarillion

@agert6416 2 года назад

Seven blessings to Debbie ❤️🐉

@cmic_1365 2 года назад

Are there any reason why Tolkien prefer Orodreth to be Angrod's son over Finarfin's? For Gil-galad, it is very clear that there would be a problem of heritage of the high-kingship from Fingon to Turgon, if Gil-galad is Fingon's son. Are there equivalent reason for Orodreth's case?

@leonardofaber5823 2 года назад

If there's a reason, Tolkien did not write it down

@sophiejones3554 2 года назад

Tolkien never said, but I can think of two reasons: 1) it would be weird if Angrod was married (as he is in all versions) but had no children. That would at the very least be something that needed explanation since having children is like one of the main reasons to be married in elven culture. 2) If Finrod and Turgon are the same age, then that only leaves three hundred years before the Darkening. Either Orodreth is Aegnor’s twin (or Angrod’s twin), or Eärwen got pregnant while she still had a small child in the house. Which just does not make logical sense if elves need to *choose* to have kids. It would also make Galadriel and Celebrimbor exactly the same age which just does not make sense with their later relationship dynamic. Galadriel is clearly the elder here. But an Orodreth who came of age on the Helcaraxë absolutely makes sense of his comraderie with Túrin and disdain for the advice of Ulmo.

@BasedHorrigan Год назад

Everyone calls Orodreth a weak leader for letting Túrin influence his decision-making, but really he acknowledges the suicide that is both the Ninrnaeth and Saurons assault on Minas Tirith. Yet after the Battle of Innumerable Tears, what other allies do the elves of Nargothrond have? Gondolin is too far up north and Círdan is too far south.. No. He decides to goes balls in. No more retreating. He goes in and tries to take as many of Morgoths servants with him.

@anthonydees1189 2 года назад

Well done. 👍

@pacoo3712 2 года назад

I wish they would make a MMO that follows the entire timeline of the LoTR.

@MintedWallaby 2 года назад

Can you explain why no dwarves joined to fight sauron in the return of the king?

@puckfairy 2 года назад

Who made the art at the 9.37 mark? I went through your links and none shows that piece ... Thank you for the video

@NerdoftheRings 2 года назад

That is Fingon by YidanYuan. :)

@robbevanmeer8643 2 года назад

Can you explain the houses of gondolin? Or just gondolin?

@hindsy90 2 года назад

Hi guys. LOTR fan who has just read the LOTR and hobbit books. Any recommended reads or articles that would help for preparing for watching rings of power? Thank you

@muhammadmudassarbilal7986 2 года назад

I always believed him to be Finarfin's grand child. This is more digestive..

@nemanjavujovic1563 2 года назад

Can you tell me how you preserv your tolkien books

@nathkin3933 2 года назад

Dammit Turin

@bedlaskybedla6361 2 года назад

May I ask what music is at 2:14-3:39?

@animegi3422 2 года назад

Good video

@pbyguy7059 2 года назад

I feel like Chris Tolkien would've been a cool guy to have a long dinner with.

@pl8154 2 года назад

Christopher was correct the first time. His 'mistake' was to change his ancestry later. JRR made Orodreth's genealogy intentionally ambiguous. Christopher would have reason to believe either version.

@Eric-cj8sb 2 года назад

Love the content here. Still waiting on the tour of Middle Earth during the 3rd age.

@NerdoftheRings 2 года назад

It is in recording stage, my friend! Apologies for the wait!

@Eric-cj8sb 2 года назад

@@NerdoftheRings yay!! All good man it's been a busy year.

@midimusicforever 2 года назад

Lesson: Be careful of who you take advice from!

@krishnaveganathar 2 года назад

“Thou Melkor,”

@rosie_gamgee 2 года назад

So wait, Minas Tirith and Minas Arnor (later Tirith) are not in the same place?

@NerdoftheRings 2 года назад

Correct. There was a Minas Tirith in the First Age and a completely different Minas Tirith in the Third Age (Gondor).

@hazbojangles2681 2 года назад

Orodreth is one of my Favourite characters. Shame he died that way though.

@starlore3711 2 года назад

This channel makes me -> :)

@carolynmu9334 2 года назад

I don't like the idea of Orodreth being Gil-galad's father. The idea of Gil-galad being the son of Fingon is a lot more entertaining. It adds some cool analogies. You know, Fingolfin fighting single-handed with Morgoth and his grandson Gil-galad fighting Sauron. It also adds excitement to the second age because you know that there is still a ,close direct descendent of Fingolfin left in middle earth after the first age.

@menukjau 2 года назад

Don't forget Fingon's very brave rescue of his beloved cousin, Maedhros from the great precipice of Thangorodrim. One of the most amazing stories of the Silmarillion and Fingon's deed was praised as one of the most mighty amongst the Noldor.

@kimjongwin 2 года назад

Turin the tool

@mazonrick3560 2 года назад

Stick to the truth of the author and I will watch the videos like this one, any other than that is wasted time. Stay true, stay strong and keep up the Great Work!

@michelalexandre3947 2 года назад

👏👏👏👏

@Kaizenoriginal 2 года назад

🤟🤟🤟💯💯💯

@rickrab7965 2 года назад

If Sauron is a Maia, and the Balrogs are also Maia, why did Sauron not become a Balrog?

@zizu274 2 года назад

Sauron is the most powerful Maia, the balrogs were corrupted by Morgoth on a different matter. Balrogs supposedly were kinda “human form” and could talk and be intelligent, so their way in movies and such isn’t very specific

@AltaGamer98 4 месяца назад

The balrogs joined Melkor in the discord,and kinda like Eonwë and olorin served Manwë,the balrogs served Melkor,meanwhile Sauron was a servant of aulë and didn't join Melkor's discord in the ainulindale.

@mhagain 2 года назад

This is one I believe JRRT got wrong. Pushing Orodreth down a generation just seems like unnecessary meddling, and it's difficult to see what JRRT was trying to achieve by this, if not to further weaken his character. More grievous is the parentage of Gil Galad. By having Orodreth be his father, the high kingship of the Noldor in Middle-earth transfers from the house of Fingolfin to the house of Finarfin. That just feels wrong, and Fingon as his father is clearly the better solution. I'd be reasonably certain that if the implications of Orodreth as Gil Galad's father had been pointed out to JRRT, he would have agreed that it was wrong and abandoned the idea.

@mhagain 2 года назад

Some further thoughts on this. The house of Feanor was dispossessed by the house of Fingolfin in Middle-earth. Maedhros said "you will lead and I will follow" to Fingolfin, not to Finarfin. If the high kingship didn't stay with the house of Fingolfin, why did Celebrimbor not have a claim? Elrond is also descended from the house of Fingolfin.

@leonardofaber5823 2 года назад

Having Gil-galad as Fingon's son, that would cause a problem in the High Kingship: Turgon (who received the crown after Fingon's death) would be Gil-galad's uncle. A uncle versus nephew fight for the thorne was not a possibility what Tolkien had in mind. And personally, I don't see a problem of the Kingship to pass from one Great House to another. As for Orodreth's change, in the first versions of the story he was more important: he was the original King of Nargothrond, not Finrod Felagund. He even had children. But, as with everything, Tolkien changed his mind over time, diminishing Orodreth's importance

@Aioradeleo27 2 года назад

@@leonardofaber5823 It is quite common among nobility to inherit the kingdom from your own brother if your son is young or inexperienced. It is even normal to do it at critical moments when someone experienced is needed to make decisions. Moreover, Carlos V inherited the throne of the empire to his brother Fernando and not to his son Felipe, because he had the idea that when Fernando died he would inherit the Empire from Felipe, but when he realized that the government of the empire was leaving to turn into a problem he decided to leave the Empire to Fernando and his offspring. On the other hand, it seems very strange and forced to me that the title of the supreme king of the noldor passes from the house of Fingolfin to that of Finarfin. Since Finarfin's sons most of the time stayed out of events regarding Morgoth. while the house of Fingolfin was very committed to the fight against Morgoth and they were the leaders along with Maedhros in the fight against the dark lord

@leonardofaber5823 2 года назад

@@Aioradeleo27 I get the points. But we saddly have no answers to why exactly Tolkien changed his mind about the topic. Maybe he saw it as a normal thing withing the Legendarium. We can only especulate

@kurtleywatson1122 2 года назад

Christopher messed up so much. can tell when he took over. so disapointing

@MineralMan123 2 года назад

First

@Antropovich 2 года назад

second!

@Sevenigma777 2 года назад

I don't think NotR gets enough credit for how intriguing and enticing his intros are. The way he begins every video with what he says and how he enunciates it really gets you excited for the video while also setting a mood that I'll call "Tolkien-esque". That same feeling you get when watching LotR or especially when sitting alone reading it for the first time. It's just really amazing that somebody else can produce those same feelings!

@marvinlee4239 2 года назад

When you feature lesser characters in LOTR.. This makes the triology more complete.. A different side story that can stand alone with the events of the main movie.. Really thankful for these videos...

@mihajlo7835 2 года назад

what?

@prodromosalexiou7846 2 года назад

I would like to learn more about Gwindor in a future video, if it is possible of cource.

@diegoandrade467 2 года назад

In my opinion it makes more sense for Gil-Galad to be the son of Orodreth. If he was the son of Fingon then that would mean Turgon would not automatically become high king, he cannot rule all the Ñoldor from Gondolin and he isn’t Fingon’s heir. It follows Agnatic primogeniture, and this is only not the case in rare circumstances.

@noisilyinfected 2 года назад

now i know she hasn't any big role in middle earth but since she served both Morgoth and Sauron, is there any chance of getting a video about Thuringwethil, the Maia that had the shape of a Vampyre ?? Would love to find more about that character :))

@Jopeymessmusic 2 года назад

Imagine the literal lord of water giving you a message and being like "That bridge isn't a great idea man" but instead taking the advice of a man cursed by the lord of darkness instead. Sure, it's a tragic end but I mean, yeesh.

@jeremiemonette 2 года назад

Right?? Like, you've lived for thousands of years and witnessed how many dooms? I feel like at this point, the Tolkiens were trying to fast-forward the timeline toward the inevitable doom that ends the First Age. I'd call it lazy writing, but that seems like an impossible insult to lob at the Tolkiens...

@Jayjay-qe6um 2 года назад

In his last writings, Tolkien changed Orodreth's name to Artaher (Quenya) / Arothir (Sindarin), both meaning "Noble Lord". However, it was never introduced in any narratives, so Christopher Tolkien left the name Orodreth unchanged.

@kirandeepchakraborty7921 2 года назад

The tales of the First Age are always very mystical in Nature. Gets me emotional every time.

@kardy12 2 года назад

Unfortunately Orodreth was not a very strong leader - Finrod would never have been persuaded by an overconfident and hubristic Turin, but Orodreth did not have his Finrod’s strength of character.

@thebrotherskrynn 2 года назад

Sad that Orodreth got sucked into the curse, though I do think some of the curse lay within Turin himself as Gwindor pointed out. That said, I like the idea that Orodreth was the father of Gil-Galad and that just before he set out for battle, that he sent his wife and son to the Grey Havens in the hopes that they may live. With Finduilas too stubborn to leave without Gwindor (and Turin of course), or so I've always thought. This was a great video.

@ItsCrabCraft 2 года назад

LOVE the weekly videos! Keep it up! ❤

@josephlamonica4167 2 года назад

Who needs Rings of Power when we have Nerd of the Rings.

@R2D93 2 года назад

I fully subscribe to Orodreth being Angrod’s son and Gil Galad being his son. Makes the unraveling of events and history of the Kings of the Noldor more interesting to me that way

@Engineered4Life 2 года назад

You just can't write better than Tolkien. Too bad ROP doesn't also believe that.

@carolynmu9334 2 года назад

Don't forget, NOTR! Do a video on what would happen if Sauron used Durin's bane during the war of the ring! Durin's bane! Durin's bane! Durin's bane! Come on! I've requested this theory video since that video you made about the balrogs!

@akaToeB 2 года назад

Would love to see a video on what happened to sauron just after the ring was cut from his hand, did he simply vanish like in the films? Or did he retreat from Isildur, still very much alive just without his ring? Also, if he did 'vanish', it would be interesting to know how he came back and how he became the Necromancer, Love the vids

@danielled8665 2 года назад

I'm assuming that as a Maia, he lost his physical form the way he did when Numenor fell because the Valar dropped the ocean on his head. The spirit or Fea of a Maia is independent of their hroa, or body, in Tolkien, and though it costs them strength, they can make a new one. It just takes time to regather themselves. That's why Galndalf was able to return after his original body was killed by the Balrog, though he was sent back with more power, not less. So Sauron did "vanish" in that his physical body was broken and destroyed, but his spirit self remained to slink away in the same realm the Nazgul inhabit, like a wraith of himself. When they describe the dark power "gathering itself" they mean that literally, gathering strength and will to reform a physical al body again, then recovering their spiritual strength from the effort of rebuilding that body.

@osvaldomunozmunoz3762 2 года назад

Great video, as always! About the parenting of Orodreth and Gil Galad, it would be an interesting topic for a video, maybe to be covered along some other major differences between the Silmarillion and other sources of the Lore. Character origins, major plots and stories that were changed by Tolkien between one and some other of his letters and so... (English is not my mother tongue, so, sorry if this is a bit confusing lol)