The Light Tank No One Talks About

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We've talked about a lot of failed US tanks on this channel, such as the M551 Sheridan, RDF/LT, and XM8 AGS (I would mention the HSTV-L but it actually did what it was supposed to). With that in mind, I figured I'd switch things up by talking about a modern US light tank that was somewhat successful. The Commando Stingray was a light tank created by Cadillac Gage for the export market, though they did submit it for the AGS program as well. The Stingray aimed to be as inexpensive and reliable as possible, using preexisting and proven components for most of its design. The Stingray didn't end up in service with the US military, but it has been used by the Royal Thai Army. I think it would be cool if Gaijin added it as an event or premium tank at some point, especially since it has a lot of possible configurations.
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@worldwar2historyandgear970 Год назад

"They were ramping their tanks, seeing how high they could go" Sign me the hell up!!

@muffinmaster491 Год назад

Looks like them Thai Duke Boys are at it again!

@AshleyBlackwater Год назад

What does ramping mean?

@worldwar2historyandgear970 Год назад

@@AshleyBlackwater Going off of a ramp and up into the air...

@RGC-gn2nm Год назад

That is soldiering.

@swaghauler8334 Год назад

@@AshleyBlackwater What WWII history & gear said. In essence, they were JUMPING their tanks.

@thesovietgamer5798 Год назад

As a Thai, I'm glad someone talks about the Stingray. Even though It might be outdated, It still can do its job as a recon tank. though our MBT's could use some more modern equipment.

@thedungeondelver Год назад

You guys are getting some T80 or T90 variants in the MBT role now, aren't you?

@thesovietgamer5798 Год назад

@@thedungeondelver It’s Ukrainian T-84 oplot and there’re about 50 of them but most of our tank force are upgraded Patton’s If you ask me it is still good enough, but it would be nice to have something new like the VT-4 that we’re importing.

@quinndenver4075 Год назад

Recon tank? Doubt that would be useful nowadays with drones, satellites, etc

@damascus1111 Год назад

@@quinndenver4075 Ground role reconnaissance vehicles still serve various purposes, and ones that are tanks provide an extra niche. Being a tank, they will be identified by hostile combatants as tanks. Thus, if support is called to eliminate said tank, then there will be less fire aimed towards real MBT’s.

@quinndenver4075 Год назад

@@damascus1111 how is that good? You don’t want your tanks fired on period regardless if they are light tanks or mbt’s. I’m sorry but for reconnaissance tanks are useless in todays world.

@johnroberthancock1025 Год назад

I always loved the look of the stingray. Cool little tank

@albertfu7968 Год назад

It's basically MBT l i t e

@lector-dogmatixsicarii1537 Год назад

Stingray 2 with its packs on is a lowkey looker. It would have served well.

@devil5cry Год назад

Only Thailand buy them through

@milkman4137 Год назад

Hey could you make a video on the AMX-30? That'd be a pretty interesting video to watch. Btw, love your videos! I watch them as soon as they get posted

@galacticthreat1236 Год назад

Yes please! One of my favorite MBTs with a very interesting history. It’s so unique and I’d love to see a video too. One of my favorite 7.7 MBT’s to play

@paultorgerson8776 Год назад

The version with a 20mm co ax

@Larsx22 Год назад

Yes AMX 30 PLS

@brendenwalton8274 Год назад

This^

@galacticthreat1236 Год назад

it was put in the mantlet in ‘72 as a modification to modernize it and give it an ability to take down helis because I think they tried an ATGM but it didn’t work and the .50 cal was omitted because of the excess of 20mm’s from GIAT and the B modernization program.

@ironperegrine7765 Год назад

If I've ever been interested in a video idea from you, it'd be fascinating to hear your thoughts on the WW1 K-Wagen and what tank history could have been like if they were actually produced and similar designs were considered by other nations!

@joedingo7022 Год назад

I swear those tankers saw that footage of the BT-5 doing that long jump and went "hey, I've got an idea”

@KrisHandsome Год назад

I always thought the Stingray looked really cool when I saw pictures of it as a kid. Stingray 2 was awesome in Mercenaries 2 as well. One of those random tanks I have a soft spot for and enjoy in games like AW.

@CrazyDutchguys Год назад

A crime that they cancelled the third mercenaries game. Few games scratched the itch that the first two did

@frankieM_ Год назад

the mercenaries games were goated

@That_Guy5575 Год назад

Any chance for a dedicated video about the T92 light tank? There just doesn’t seem to be much information/content out there about it overall, and I’ve always thought it was just an incredibly cool design ever since I learned about it. I’d love to see a video from you delving into it.

@lector-dogmatixsicarii1537 Год назад

Cancelled because aRmY wAnT fLoAtiNg, and other jokes acquisition tells itself to fuck up projects. I don't think too highly of the complex cut rear turret, but that is beside the point.

@Real_Claudy_Focan Год назад

Nah, he does only videos about stuff he wants in the game and use his CC status to push and push the idea

@mobilememes1313 3 месяца назад

@Real_Claudy_Focan mm, I wonder why he would do videos on things he likes, it's almost like he does videos on things he has passion for

@GrayderFox Год назад

Ah...cheap and cheerful, then. So neat to see how tanks and other such military vehicles are so built towards, not necessarily raw power or efficiency, but purpose. We need a cheap tank to sell, make a cheap-but-good tank. Neat.

@WoobooRidesAgain Год назад

Funny enough, when I first got War Thunder, one of the very first things I did was check and see if the Stingray was in the game in the U.S tech tree, either as a regular or premium, and was disappointed to see it wasn't. I actually first learned of it through _Mercenaries 2: World In Flames_ where it shows up as the tank used by the Universal Petroleum faction.

@vannlo355 Год назад

That game was bad ass

@classifiedad1 10 месяцев назад

It seems that Gaijin has an aversion to anything vaguely Textron. The V-150 would be pretty obvious as to its inclusion, especially the ones with cannons. As if Italy needs to monopolize the 4x4 carcinogen market.

@christopherwang4392 Год назад

The Stingray's turret was also marketed separately for retrofit installation on the hull of the M41 Walker Bulldog and M551 Sheridan.

@TheArklyte Год назад

/Looks at Stingray, looks at M8, looks at Stingray again/ _Hold on a second..._

@nathaneddy502 Год назад

I swear Cadillac just drew XM8 from memory to create the stingray. I don't understand how it looks exactly like FMCs tank.

@wapniak666 Год назад

i loved stingray (and its line) in armored warfare, shame the game ended up dead

@croskerk Год назад

Stingray, Buford, and Thunderbolt are my favorite light tanks, but yeah your right

@laszlomiskei9138 Год назад

It just can never go bellow 4k damage, its so good.

@blazerocker1734 Год назад

I never really cared for the LT line in Armored Warfare until I got to the Stingray 2. In one PVE match I showed-up my own teammates who were trash-talking me when they all died and I finished the mission solo. The Stingray 2 quickly became my favorite LT and I gained a new respect for the original and others in the line. It was like a kick to the gut when the devs changed the Sting 2 to a clipped autoloader and it didn't fit my style of play. The way the devs ruined that whole game was practically criminal.

@wapniak666 Год назад

@@blazerocker1734 >The way the devs ruined that whole game was practically criminal. To be fair, originally obosidian was doing ok, they focused too much on pve which probably killed the game short them, but then mycom took over and it was the end

@blazerocker1734 Год назад

@@wapniak666 Well, PVE was my favorite. I was getting lots of blue stars and having loads of fun and then they shifted focus to PVP, ditched arty, chose not to fix bugs that had persisted for more than six months and then they screwed with the steering of my Taifun II and refused to revert it back. I paid money for that tank destroyer and it was one of my two favorite TDs. That was all bad on its own but the increasing toxicity of players on the forums was the final push I needed to walk away. I loved that game when I first started playing but it was a mess when I left.

@vlotex Год назад

Love the vids. I can't ever get enough of them. Keep up thr great work!

@yordobelps 7 месяцев назад

I'm glad you finally did a vid on this tank, I remember the first time reading about this tank in Bill Gunstin's Modern Tanks book encyclopedia

@kevting4512 Год назад

I saw these during Armed Forces day in Thailand. They still look new compared to what the rest of the army has.

@croskerk Год назад

Finally, someone that talked about the Stingray

@konteen2666 Год назад

I once saw a real stingrey transporting on road one time (i live in thailand) it looks quiet cool i thought it was like VFM5 or something decide to look up and just realise this thing was unique cause thai is only country used it

@Joe_Friday Год назад

I've been crying for years for the Cadillac Gage plant to reopen and start producing this tank. They could be upgraded to be relevant on the battlefield.

@thedungeondelver Год назад

There was a guy on a Twilight 2000 forum I frequent that worked on the program when the second go at an AGS started up a few years back. One of the discussed variants was electric, with the space taken by the engine given over to a 4-troop compartment! Where the batteries and electric motors would have gone, I don't know. But they were serious about trying to get it selected. I bet you dollars to navy beans though they ramp up (no pun intended!) the hype for the Griffin and it never ever sees the light of day. They'll build a half dozen that we'll be talking about in 20 *more* years (well, you guys will, donno if I'll be around then!)

@lector-dogmatixsicarii1537 Год назад

Stingray 2 with its packs and some turret electrics upgrades sold alongside a much cleaner up armored Commando would sell. A much faster than MBT production rate and ease of use in light of current events is free real-estate for sales. Yugo Hellcat exploiting goat paths to get behind artillery positions is meta now.

@commissarlugh1040 Год назад

I could see these being a hit in Ukraine nice and light not to fussy nice gun would work well with the Ukrainian bmp. Throw on some more night fighting kits and Era and you got a scary convoy hunter

@chesterlynch9533 Год назад

If I'm not mistaken BAE bought the rights and they used a modified design to compete on US Army MPF program. However, BAE wasn't able to deliver a prototype in time so it was disqualified. Therefore, GDLS Griffin II won the MPF program.

@lector-dogmatixsicarii1537 Год назад

@@chesterlynch9533 "Unable to deliver a prototype on time." In light of reality, this sounds like some graft went down. Especially considering GeneralDynamics was involved. GD has been three decades late. Stingray 2 and M8 were done deals in the light tank role for DECADES.

@ARCCommanderOrar Год назад

Such an underrated tank

@Joe_Friday Год назад

I've been crying for years for the Cadillac Gage plant to reopen and start producing this tank. They could be upgraded to be relevant on the battlefield.

@Deviss2 Год назад

My favorite tank period, glad I got to work around one

@argon7624 Год назад

2:46 the screen blurs as though you were to show us an image, but it isn't there

@badgermcbadger1968 Год назад

Played us like a damn fiddle

@ODST_Parker Год назад

The tank isn't badly designed... until the enlisted get to it, then no design is good enough.

@naamadossantossilva4736 Год назад

"Idiots are very clever"

@lector-dogmatixsicarii1537 Год назад

@@naamadossantossilva4736 **grassy green 17 year old, whose grandfather used this engine to get from Africa to Berlin, on the way to completely back off the governor and flip over the tank on the straight part of the course, and bitch about reliability** "Clever girl..."

@enriquejocson8117 Год назад

Stingray is such a badass name

@ST-zm3lm Год назад

My favorite light tank tbh. It’s just so beautiful

@henke7864 Год назад

Would love to see Stingray light tank and its variants. In the TT. M41 with stingray turret would fit well in the prem tree. Same goes for M551 with the same turret.

@julopabene8736 Год назад

I really love the Stingray, definitely up there for my favorite tanks! I also really like the Stingray II, but it's more difficult to find info on that.

@hiphip4808 Год назад

Alright so, I found documents recently on an M2 Bradley with a 40mm CTA gun. In Wargame Red Dragon its called the Bradley COMVAT, I did some digging and I found grainy images of it with documentation, it used the ARES 40mm CTA gun, would be very cool if you made a video on it. Another thing how do you do your information digging? Getting Primary sources and the like? Ive always wanted to know how but no one really has anything on that sort of thing.

@manlyleonard9547 Год назад

This is a great question bc I would also like to know where you get your primary sources

@TheKenji2221 Год назад

Would love video on Cold War French light tanks. They were overall excellent, and it would be nice to hear more about them

@blu5021 Год назад

I dont know, i think this guy likes light tanks. FR tho, great video spookston! Will you ever look into the russian T-29 medium tank/unknown russian multi-turrets?

@guerrinlove69 Год назад

I was completely expecting another HSTV-L vid

@teskinsgundamgarage5638 Год назад

Have you ever considered covering the Walker Bulldog? I can't remember if you have before, but it's quite a fun tank.

@NotQuiteAllHere Год назад

I have wanted this in WT for ages.

@gabiejae3616 Год назад

Could you explore on the different light tanks that were made due to the sudden demand on some countries? . In southeast Asia you would have Indonesia with their harimau and the Philippines with the Sabrah. While countries like China have the VT5 and India with a requirement to have a light tank for their units stained on mountainous terrain. It's interesting that light tanks started to come back despite the dominance of MBTs.

@Aettaro Год назад

I've always had a soft spot for this little fellow.

@Emanicas Год назад

I have a really cool video showing the stingray's crew firing their guns at practice seen from behind the loader. shows the loader picking up vertical ready rounds and loading them, all relatively slowly. heavy and awkward unlike modern tanks with autoloaders or ammo in the bustle which has the right height and momentum. might still be online but I thought it was gone.

@republicempire446 Год назад

Man, I do wished that M41 did get modernized upgrade besides Taiwan models. I love the M41 which it was designed for its role.

@lector-dogmatixsicarii1537 Год назад

The MB-3 Tamoyo happened. Which is essentially a long dog. And the DK1. It makes a nice 25-30 tons cruiser chassis base with enough RHA to actually be a standard light tank.

@StillerH Год назад

One of my favorites, light and lethal while being useful to smaller militaries.

@galvaniclegend917 Год назад

A video on the UDES XX-20 or the Lockheed/Forscythe Articulated light tank would be cool. I’d love to see one of those ingame lmao

@danysainz-gootenberg7809 Год назад

Maybe a video on the newest Chinese light tank?? Looks like a well rounded machine with a bussle autoloader and decent anti-chemical armor

@michaelhowell2326 Год назад

We had one of these parked outside our barracks at OSUT in Ft. Knox, Kentucky. They look pretty nifty.

@GeneralLee2000 Год назад

You should really try out the new VBC, I've been having a blast with it.

@dunkin8369 Год назад

Well Done!

@arturneveshopner9187 Год назад

Could you make a video on the EE-T1 and EE-T2 Osorio MBTs? The T2 variant succeeded in beating the Abrams in a competition in the 80s.

@cnlbenmc Год назад

Oh yeah; I remember seeing this thing in the book "Tanks of The World".

@i_nameless_i-jgsdf Год назад

BTW I've seen a picture of the RTA Stngray with slat armor :)

@lunafragment7202 Год назад

Like the next abrams video Are you gonna to make the next gen tank Like The T14 Armata And the E-MBT and KF51 ?

@Pyro151516 Год назад

that shot on the BMP shows that log is still the best armor.

@goofygoober8420 Год назад

finally somebody talks about it!

@lector-dogmatixsicarii1537 Год назад

The world likes to pretend we don't exist. **does illuminati tell**

@coatofarms4439 Год назад

4:31 that is the first time I’ve seen the log on the back of the BMP actually do something.

@itaybron Год назад

So it was like buying a car from the manufacturer which allows you to pick and choose lots of things before ordering.

@robingyarmati2440 Год назад

The subnautica background music is fire 🔥🔥🔥

@tazercow Год назад

Would love to see the Stingray and Stingray II make it into WT

@lucasmacdonald9890 Год назад

I was just watching one of your videos

@panzerkampfwagenviiimaus1790 Год назад

What are the differences between the Stingray and the VFM5, and was the XM8 Greyhound just a Stingray, but with an autoloader?

@thermalvision203 Год назад

Uh, Spookston, there seems to be a missing graphic at 2:45 The screen goes blurry, and you mention something technical, but no image appears.

@bottoms_up2175 Год назад

Hey Spook what do you think we can expect for War Thunder's 10th birthday? I'm hoping for Yugoslavian tech tree so there may be interesting content. Yugoslavia had a few variations of T 72 that could be added to the game (mainly domestic made M84 and Croatian M95 which is basically modernized M84 developed in '95 after Croatia left Yugoslavia) and I don't really see Gaijin shoving more T 72s in Soviet tech tree. That being said, there were also enough of domestic produced frankenstein vehicles to fill a tree with and even stuff like T 55 hull (iirc) with Hellcat turret.

@christopherwang4392 Год назад

Question: Was the muzzle brake necessary for the Stingray's 105-mm Low Recoil Force gun to function properly?

@qee4617 Год назад

Would be interesting to see you play the Puma in uptiers, 5.7?

@tfk_001 Год назад

4:32 BMP straight up tanking a HESH round

@DerErsteWilhelm Год назад

the power of LOG

@kyb5203 Год назад

I want another HSTVL vid

@TheDgamesD Год назад

The Stingray is a really fun LT in Armored Warefare tbh.

@Cavenub Год назад

You are welcome for the reminder.

@andyfriederichsen Год назад

"...like the M24 Chaffee." M41 Walker Bulldog: "Hey! What about me?"

@hokagotanktime5551 Год назад

Gotta love that BESH doing absolutely nothing at the end of the video

@EnterpriseKnight Год назад

3:28 that looks cool af. Any info on this model? I can't find anything online

@prechabahnglai103 Год назад

Knowing what we know now about modern Tank combat - rarely fights other tank, support infantry, move rapidly. I think the Stingray would do pretty well.

@moisemore8456 Год назад

I remeber the stingray in a wheeled hull i play it in armored warfare

@thecrab2791 Год назад

At 2:45, the screen blurs but no picture is shown.

@oddforoddssake3751 Год назад

I absolutely love the Stingray. I personally think it looks better than the M8 Buford and I played it in Armored Warfare and had a ton of fun with it I genuinely hope this tank gets put into War Thunder! It deserves to be recognized, along with both the XM8 and the Teledyne AGS

@liemduongthanh8386 Год назад

Stingray and stingray 2 both do better than m8 for me, at least at the tier

@lector-dogmatixsicarii1537 Год назад

@@liemduongthanh8386 The Stingrays also sounded good and looked good packed up with their ready racks just spooging all over Tier 7's and 8's while the M8's had to deal with top tier bullshit, no lower front plate pack and a constant 5 second reload instead of the Stingray dump and run.

@YoRHaUnit2Babe Год назад

I like playing it in AW. I'd love to see it in WT

@MrBlonde294 Год назад

you can play the stingray in mercenaries 2, its the tank of Universal Petroleum

@homelessEh Год назад

its the nod light tank!

@ryuko6793 Год назад

Please talk about the cadillac commando ifv series of vehicles

@m48pattontank22 Год назад

Spookston do you have any tips for grinding Russian ground or air I’m at the T 44 for tanks and Yak 9T for air.

@blu5021 Год назад

Im not spookston, (duh) but try CQC. The T-44 has pretty good armor for a medium, similar to the panther. There is a shot-trap, but its hard to hit. Try and rush german heavies or snipe. (May be wrong, as i main Isreal and the US rarely. Thats just what ive seen it beibg played effectivley.

@m48pattontank22 Год назад

@@blu5021 ok thanks I’ll give it a try I’m normally quite passive so maybe it’s a good idea

@badgermcbadger1968 Год назад

@@blu5021 try to remember the basics of cqc

@blu5021 Год назад

@@badgermcbadger1968 sure, lemme just pull out my notes.

@noahsawesomevids422 Год назад

Awesome 😎

@Shrekfromthehitmovieshrek Год назад

I like how everytime im in the hospital spookston yplaod

@CssHDmonster Год назад

slowly, spookston is coming closer to talking about the pl-01

@jammers195 Год назад

Missed a meme by having the stingray opening theme when the tank was driving

@lector-dogmatixsicarii1537 Год назад

Meanwhile, men of culture playing Crocodile Rock.

@thundermite1241 Год назад

This is one of the few tanks that used an 8v92 ta

@67IronWhalE Год назад

Ok, what's so unique about economy and geography of my country, Thailand, that Stingray was purchased there and not anywhere else. It's basically just wheeled tank destroyer with no wheel. Spookston sold this light tank pretty well in this vid so there must be the other reason, right?

@crocidile90 Год назад

Well it's a light tank with a decent 105 (which still work in today's world) gun, cheap to buy and maintain (barring if you don't use them for jumps) and with some asterisks that put a stupid amount of USD into the thai market to dab on the CCP. At least those are some of the reasons from the top of my head.

@MikeBison_ Год назад

I'm actually astonished the Stingray hasn't been added to WT yet, tbh

@TheWhoamaters Год назад

Imagine submitting a light tank for US Army trials that can be penned in the rear by a M14

@SuperGlueFingers Год назад

I think the problem with US light tank programs is they expect TOO MUCH from a light tank. It's an understandable predicament though, as they have filled it's tactical niche with other pieces of equipment that is now ingrained in doctrine. I feel like (And i'm not a tanker, thanks to my recruiter) US armored doctrine would need to be overhauled to make the request for a light tank more reasonable.

@lector-dogmatixsicarii1537 Год назад

Not really. The tankette also is a thing forgotten. You can build ELC sized tanks for extremely easy transport / cross country. It's not hard to revive the Super Hellcat. Five seats means you can use seat 5 for whatever, like storing drones and meds. 10 ton trailers and pickups can pull ELC sized vehicles as well as airfare. Units have been saddled with overweight / oversized obesity for too long.

@cowboykirby3185 Год назад

ya but gaijin will never add it as a tech tree vehicle the only way we'd ever see it would be as an event vehicle like the xm8 which sucks because it would be amazing to see in the tech tree before or after the hstvl

@tunasalad6891 Год назад

The VFM5 is available in the British tree and that is a version of the xm8 designed to be cheaper

@lector-dogmatixsicarii1537 Год назад

They made two production types of this tank and the first one sold triple digits. Stuffing them as event vehicles is just an asshole move.

@devil5cry Год назад

@@tunasalad6891 but w/o IR sight always making the difference

@Scrogan Год назад

At 4:30 did you just eat a Challenger 2 shell with no damage to show for it?

@harryinglis3969 Год назад

Can you do some videos on British tanks maybe?

@skyrimn00b98 Год назад

This would be a nice addition to the US tree

@paphavitchdansrichanchai1657 Год назад

Thai tanker love stingray for it ease of maintainance high speed and low ground pressure

@theboreditamar2108 Год назад

make a video about the UDES-XX-20 and STRV 2000

@timothygoodwin3287 Год назад

so what is the difference between Stingray, XM8 and the VFM5?

@whatisalifeihavenone4708 Год назад

Day 12 of Asking Spookston can you talk about an idea I have based off something you said in a past video (think it was the lend lease one). Sweden's tree should be turned into a "Nordic" Tree, which would have a Norwegian and Finnish tree, for the following reasons Sweden lacks heavies, and premiums. Plus they have a general lack of creative tanks as most are similar or copy pastes Norway made multiple tanks, concepts, and experimental designs. Finland made some tanks, modified certain soviet tanks (BT-42, KV-1B), and also captured multiple tanks Finland already exists within the Swedish tree with some vehicles, plus it could be an excuse to add Heavy Tanks to the Swedish trees like the IS-2, plus maybe even a T-34 This is in general, but remove the KV-1B from the German tree (they already have a KV-1) and move it to Sweden.

@sonjaroets844 Год назад

Please play the Eland90 spookston

@Grubby_pig Год назад

Have you heard about the HSTVL?

@tempest8882 Год назад

it looks like a m24 chaffee drawn from memory

@bober8739 Год назад

Can you talk about the TAM?

@Bonedagi Год назад

1:34 catboy armor

@tronk5598 Год назад

Wait whats the difference between the fcm5 and the commando stingray again? I couldve sworn the 2 were the same

@nathaneddy502 Год назад

I think you mean vfm5. But they're not the same. Vfm5 used a different hull (CCV-L)and transmission as far as I can tell. Also the gun system was a Marconi FCS. The vfm5 used the Bradley transmission and a different Detroit diesel engine. XM8 had an autoloader but stingray didn't. Stingray also had a completely different turret designed for retro fit on different tanks including the sheridan. Funnily enough these tanks were actually developments of the armoured gun system programme which is what produced HSTVL. The LAV 75 variant of the stingray saw combat and it wasn't as effective as hoped.

@henryyoung7852 Год назад

this has to do something with the xm8 and vfm5 programs right?

@nathaneddy502 Год назад

XM8 was the original FCS for the AGS programme. The remains of xm8 was then moved over to the AGS M8. Where 2 divulging designs came from. VFM5 or AGM M8 and Stingray. AGS is where we get the HSVL from. Stingray is a "cheapened" M8 just like VFM5.