I'm learning Livonian. Just because I don't want it to die, even if I'm Spanish. Please I pray all of you to follow me and learn it, just to keep it alive. (EDIT: JUNE 2020) Oh wow I did write this didn't I... I was planning on turning my channel into a linguistics one but I didn't do it in the end, sorry! I'm an art-focused channel now but I'd love to hear what you guys have and use for learning Livonian, it's still a gorgeous language! And especially the Livonians themselves who pass by here please tell us how you learn it and give some advice! Thank you so much to everyone
Fascinating. Lithuanian is my first language and I could understand about 5% of the words in this video. It seems a bit more Finnish/Estonian to me. I wish more Baltic languages were still around, but I understand that the populations were small. We should count our blessings and be glad that LT/LV/ES are independent nations with their own languages :)
This person is speaking Latvian. That’s why you can understand some. But this dialect is heavily influenced by Livonian language, so it has no gender at times etc.
Livonian sounds like mix between Estonian and Latvian. Is it possible that it has left some influence in Latvian when it assimilated? Sometimes when I hear Latvian I find myself thinking that it is spoken and pronounced in a way which is reminiscent of Estonian. There is definetly something about it that makes it feel tiny bit like it is related to Estonian. I don't get the same feeling when I heard Lithuanian
Yes, Livonian has left an important influence in Latvian, and this Finno-Ugric influence explains partly why Latvian sounds so different from Lithuanian (the other reason being the German influence in Latvian that distances it from Lithuanian). Important Finno-Ugric features in Latvian includes the stressing on the first syllable of the word (as in Estonian, in Finnish and in Livonian), which explains why Latvian can be reminiscent of Estonian in some ways, as well as the long/short vowels rythm. The construction of the need in Latvian is also Finno-Ugric (Man vajag, see the Estonian Mul on vaja). And you can add many Livonian words that made their way into Latvian language : māja, sēne, pīlādzis, kaija, puisis, kleita, etc.
Livonian language cannot be understood by Latvians, unless specially learned. But this interview is almost only in latvian. Only some phrazes are in Livonian, as examples. The old lady speaks the so called "livonian dialect" of latvian language.
As a Latvian American it deeply hurts the heart to hear an read of the Liv culture and language dying out in Latvia. The Latvian Government should do more to preserve the Liv Heritage an Culture. We are all Balts and there are just to few of us in this world.
@@olek1800 but he is right. Not talking only about Livonian, but Latvian language. When I go to Latvia I hear from many many people talk Russian, for example in Lithuania nowadays almost nobody talk Russian, only old people or with russian parents. Most of the people that born from '85 dont talk anymore russian.
@@Rackel992 That is because a quarter of the population are russian immigrants from soviet times. Young russian people are already assimilating so it isnt that bad
@@votepochitasupremacy497 Young russian people are assimilating ? Are you sure ? Because I know some young people who are born in Lithuania, grow up here, but they still call themselves russians because they grand or grandgrand parents were from russia, but they never been even there and they feel russian, they speak russian with friends and use local language only when have to. I never understood this type of thing.
I am not Celtic, Baltic, Finno-Ugric, Native American, or indigenous Siberian (even though some them are Finno-Ugric), but a person who wants to preserve endangered languages. Russia has 130, and the United States has 250. Because when you lose a language, you lose a culture. So learning Old Prussian and Livonian is learning the Baltic before the Teutonic Knights arrived. Just like learning a Native American language, is like learning about the United States before the Europeans arrived.
@alnitis she speaks Latvian with a kind of accient.. .. i just wanted to say this.. i am able to understand it. So i wonder, i thought she would speak a kind of estonian. My grandmother told me about Livonians, that they speak the same like Estonians do of Finnish, so i wonder that she speaks latvian so good, just little accient..
By learning Native American languages, I learned about their traditions, mythologies, beliefs, method of cooking, what they cooked, and the injustice they went through. The same why with indigenous languages of Siberia. I am sure the people of the Baltic are the same way.
A recent study by a Finno-Ugric researcher Janne Saarikivi, a professor at Helsinki University, concluded that Finland was not a monolingual region until about 500AD. Before that up to four different languages were spoken in the area, including most likely proto-Norse and proto-Slavic. Finnish was ultimately adopted by the migrants from Scandinavia and the Baltics.
In Prussland lived Finns and Estonians long before Polish and Gothic people arrived. It is recorded by histroians long time ago. Aestii are Estonians and they were destroyed from that area in 9th century and Lithuanian tribes arrives to that place after 100 years or more.
Nice chauvinism on your behalf but, tell me, if Prussia was indeed inhabited by Finns, why are there no traces of it left in toponyms and hydronyms? Why there are no traces of Finno-Ugric presence in that region, if as you claim they really did precede Balts there? There are plenty of *_Paleo-European_* hydronyms left in the whole Baltic region which shows that Balts did not rename all local landscapes after having arrived there: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_European_hydronymy But Finno-Ugric toponyms are nonexistent outside of the lands that have been populated by Livs within the historical time frame. Which suggests that Finno-Ugrics have never lived South of the historical lands of Livs.
Baltic folk Actually there are plenty of toponyms and hydronyms there if you look older maps from 9th or 10th century or even later. As you see in Livonia, all place names which are in Estonian language (older languages are called old Estonian all - Livonian, Curonian, Osilian dialects, etc - are all dialects of same Aestii/Estonian language). Lithuanian tribes arrives from Oka area to present day home and to that place they arrived much earlier from India, Rajastan. Livonian place name Turaida mean the "Garden of Thor" in Estonian language (Toori aida) Toor or Tuur (spelling) is common also in Scandinavian languages. Many similar strongholds are from Vistula (Viskla in older name) area up to Southern Finland - all Estonia is covered with them as well. They are Kogela culture's stronghold. Kogela/Koguva,/Kogula is purely Estonian name. Medenove place name means "our yard" in Estonia (Meite õue). Etc.
Baltic folk With all respect. A discovery was made with the invention,development of DNA, testing was done with some surprising, shocking results. Genetic Scientists found Lithuanian DNA had more Finno Ugaric DNA element the many Estonian people have. Sounds fake however it is claimed as true.
FYI., Rurik's haplogroup was N, which in Europe traces back to Finnic tribe movement in Northeastern Europe. To say he is not Finnic would be monumentally wrong. "The only natives of Russia" Yes, and you forgot to mention the Finnic tribes, which lived in what is today's Northern Russia (Novgorod among other places). It is undoudebtly so, since the Slavic movement dates much later to the Finnic movement.
Old Prussian is being revived. Street signs in Kaliningrad are in Old Prussian. But for the unique heritage of the Baltic, languages such as Livonian and Old Prussian need to be paid attention to. Old Prussian being Baltic, and Livonian being Finno-Ugric.
"Rurik's haplogroup was N1c1, while Finns have a mixture of N1c1, N2a and N3a. Haplogroup N1c1" Well, first, N3a is just a renamed N1c1, so your knowledge on that is old. And N2a is apparently a small subclade found in Western Europe. Now, as for N1c1, this is the predominant clade in Finland. A vast majority, almost all of the N in Finland is of N1c1. To say there are other clades equal to that among Finns is ludicrous. Finns in a broad sense are N1c1, just like Balts, just like Rurik.
To evacuate 2,000,000 million people across a frozen lake. When they sent in food shipments, across frozen Lake Ladoga, a great deal of those trucks fell through the ice. Image how many of those trucks would have fallen through the ice, loaded with civilians.
"Lithuanians and Latvians that have nothing to do with Finno-Ugrians." You don't know your history. The fact they share N1c1 is a proof in itself the land has seen expansions of Finnic people. Then you ignore the fact Finnic languages have gone extinct in the Baltics before, such as the Livonian language. They have once, for all practical purposes, been just as Finnic as Finland itself.
@Swiadomski yep, say, Mari language still spoken by 1 mln people and it got its first alphabet due to Russian missioners those languages die out whose speakers don't care that much about their culture and language also urbanization. Russian was language of cities and as in any other country being urbanized people wanted to speak the language of cities, Russian. in other countries it is usually dialects vs. main dialect, in Russia it happened so that different languages vs. Russian
+nikku okami It is very interesting, but it is nearly to be extinct. The last native Livonian speaker died at 2013. Only few people know it, but as a second language. It is very sad that this wonderful culture that hoped to grow died through the years.
This is very important and beautiful video, but you can hear early in the beginning when she counts to three, that it is Latvian language, not Livonian.
Russians moved into Latvia, when it was a part of the Czarist Empire and the Soviet Union. But Russian was not made into a official language of Latvia. The Ingrians live around Saint Petersburg, and 500 still speak Ingrian. So transfers of populations occurred, but the previous Finno-Ugric and Baltic heritages has not disappeared.
No, they are not the same people. Inkerikot and inkeriläiset are separate. The Ingrians are descended from Lutheran Finns (Savonians, Karelians) who arrived in Ingria in the 17th century during Swedish rule.
The Rus came from the West and established Russia. There were undoubtedly Finnic people among them, such as Rurik. So it doesn't make much sense to say it was Russia that influenced Finland when Russia didn't exist until quite recently, and the land was mostly populated by Finnic people before any slav step foot in there.
2/3 If anything the Finnish language is a lot closer to the languages of Khanty-Mansi than to any Indo-European language group. Russians that live around the borders of Asian countries are still pure Russians. Just like an Anglo-Saxon living at the border of Amerindian Mexico is still a pure Anglo-Saxon. Russians just never mixed with Asians. I wouldn't say Russians have any Siberian admixture. The N1c1 haplogroup isn't Siberian.
The language is called Old Prussian, not confuse it with the German dialects of Low and HIgh Prussian. The people who live in Kaliningrad adopted the Russian language. But Old Prussian is related to Lithuanian and Latvian. All the Baltic languages are written in the Latin alphabet, not the Cyrillic. Because the Baltic peoples are either Roman Catholic or Lutheran, hence the Roman alphabet. While the Russians are Eastern Orthodox, hence an alphabet from Byzantium.
Did the Soviet Union have the logistics to evacuate all the citizens from Leningrad? It is like saying why did the French not evacuate everyone from Paris in 1871.
This video is errounous. The Language spoken is Latvian not Livonian. Which is a dialect of Estonian a Finno Ugaric language. Latvian has some crossover Estonian words like Maja for House etc.
Rurik is not a Finnic name? Well, can you tell me some Finnic names from from the 9th century for example? The fact of the matter is, we have no records of them, so they could be anything. Name alone does not designate whether one is Finnic or not. There have, for hundreds of years now, been Finns in Finland with Swedish names who adopted them. It's a moot point.
Yes, however, haplogroup N is also associated with some of the most autosomally European people in Europe. So, to associate the specific N subclades found in Europe as "from the Urals" makes little sense.
"If anything the Finnish language is a lot closer to the languages of Khanty-Mansi than to any Indo-European language group." You don't understand anything about linguistics. The way language works is that it has many layers of influences and loan words. Finnish came from proto-Uralic, which already at that time contained Indo-Aryan words, it branched off into Europe and into Asia. Finnish has since then picked up tons of proto-Norse/Germanic words for many every day things.
Finns don't lie on the outskirt of Europe, so to concentrate on them, or even attempt to prove their supposed non-Europeaness, would make little sense geographically, as you would logically first look into Russia, for it is a real outlier in Europe.
(Liivi); Ammo jov vo - Visu Labu- All the best- (Liivi); Nemiz pal-!/Neemiz soon-!-Uz redzesanos- (eesti); Koike head-!-visu labu-(eesti);HEAD AEGA-!-uz redzesanos-! (Suomi);Nakemiin-visu labu-!
"Terints" -- "Greetings" in Livonian. Latvia is debating about making Russian its second officlal language. But what about Livonian? There are apparently only 10 fluent speakers of Livonian left in Latvia. But think about Ireland making Irish its second officlal language, when hardly anybody uses it as its venacular. Livonian is very much a part of Latvia's heritage. Maybe Latvia should make a stronger effort to preserve this unique part of its heritage.
@alnitis Liibieshi ir Latvijas pamatiedziziivotaaji,kuri mitushi Latvijas teritorijaa jau apmeeram pirms 5000. Vini dziivojushi blakus latvieshiem un laika gaitaa pamazaam iepluudushi latvieshos.
"Russians originated from Wends that lived on the south and southeast shores of the Baltic sea and gradually expanded eastwards" Wend is an ambiguous term. Genetically-speaking it doesn't say a whole lot to I am a "Wend". To look deeper you have to look into the Russian genome. What's known is that Russians are for the most Slavs, with some Eastern Finnic admixture thrown into it. Hell, the man who created the Rus state was an "N" man. So I don't understand, why don't you embrace what you are?
Wikipedia says that 20-30% russians have finno-ugric N halogroup, if you think this info is false you can edit wikipedia. Horever unlike polish people for example russian national houses and national clothing look finno-ugric.
Let me tell you what Finns look: they look extremely Europid, original Europid at that; morphologically close to cromagnon humans. What designated name you want to give to a certain look doesn't really matter. Afterall, it's only words made up by somebody, and not numbers and real data.
-3'RD- Let's not forget that Finnish is not a European language which is a further unveils the non-European origins of Finns. Russians originated from Wends that lived on the south and southeast shores of the Baltic sea and gradually expanded eastwards, during the process of which no intermixing took place between the colonized mongoloid tribes and ethnic Russians. In conclusion, the average Russian from Kamchatka is still entirely Europid, a lot more Europid than let's say Timo Soini...
1/2 There wasn't a single Fin amongst Rus, they were all Wends. Rurik isn't even remotely a Finnic name. Rurik was a Wend of Obodrite lineage. The only natives of Russia were Kriviches, Drevlyans, Dregovichs, Radimichs and Polans - all Wends. Finno-Ugrians were only native to the northern Urals, where they originally came from. Ethnic Russians are as genetically Europid as it get and are mainly a mixture of 3 phenotypes - North Pontid, Baltid and East Nordid.
Jotain pysty tekstin avulla päättelee. mekula kusam brúkj (paremmin ei pysty tota vikaa) - 'me kuule ku sä oot morsian' ma um brúkj - mä oon morsian. Kartassa oli Úzhkila - se on varmasti Uusikylä Ensin pitäs osata viroa hyvin. Sit pitäs ensin lukea liiviä vähän omassa rauhassa. että alkaa nähdä jotain toistuva eroja. Sit vois oppia kuuntelemaankin. Kyllä sitä varmaan sit ois alkanu tajuta - jos olis jatkuvat kontaktit eikä ollunna muita häirihtemässä. Uatteleppa jos ei ois venäläisiä, skandinaaveja tai saksalaisia ympärillä. No, kaikki uralilaiset kielet olis Itämeren ympärisös aika eri kuulosia, mut sit voitas rupatella keskenään. Liivin kieli näyttää niitä samoja piirteitä mitä on käyny kaikille balteille. Ne oli ensin suomalais-ugrilaisia, genetiikka paljastaa sen aika hyvin, mutta niillä alko slaavilaiskontaktaktit ja muut indoeurooppalaiskontaktit jo tuhansia vuosia sitten, ennen Rooman aikoja, ehkä jo ennen Kreikan suuruutta. Siitä synty balttien kielet. Ne on nyt indoeurooppalaisia, mutta ne synty sitä kun suomalaisugrilaiset vaihto pikku hiljaa kielensä. Liiville on käyny nyt sama lyhyessä ajassa. No, siinä on käyny ihan etninen puhdistus. Me suomalaiset voitas ottaa koko ajan uutta slangia kirjakieleks, ja muuttua pikku hiljaa joksku englannista ja naapurikielistämme sotketuks uudeks indoeurooppalaiseks kieleks. Näyttää et me suomalaiset ei pidetä sukumme puolia, lähinnä meitä taitaa nolottaa olla sukua balttian kansoille, karjalaisille ja itäsemmille serkuille. Niin, me ei o pidetty yhtä, ja niin on serkut kadonnu vähtellen, kansa kerrallaan. Eipä niitä kohta o paljon muita ku arkistoissa. Latviakin oli ennen muinoin nimeltään Liivinmaa, pääosin. Jos vertaa slaaveja, niin ne on ylpeesti veljiä keskenään. No, useimmiten. Tai sit sotii keskenään. Tulisempi meininki. Englantilaiset on usein ylpeitä viikinkijuuristaan. Ne ei taida tykätä Saksan serkuistaan, vaikka kielensä on alkujaan läheisempää sukua sinne ku Skandinaviaan. Friisin kieli Hollannin rannoilla on niiden lähin sukukieli. Tiedä käykö sille pian kuin liivinkielelle? Ehkä me suomalaisetkin haluttas olla viikinkejä? No, osin me ollaankin, mut jos me arvostettais kaikkea taustaamme. Mut keskimäärin suomalaiset on niin käytännöstä kiinnostuneita, että me ei usein olla historiasta kiinnostuneista. Hommat menee silloin helposti kädestä suuhun elämäks. Kunnes ei o enää naapureita joille puhua omaa kieltään.
kuulemma tässä videossa se puhuu enimmäkseen latviaa. Tässä virolaisten tekemä video vuonna 1991 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-97oZ-6cPPfo.html, huomaa heti suomen ja viron kielisiä sanoja puheessa.
1/2 You can dream all you want but the name "Rurik" only translates into Wend languages and has absolutely no connection to Finno-Ugrians. Haplogroup N has many different variations. Rurik's haplogroup was N1c1, while Finns have a mixture of N1c1, N2a and N3a. Haplogroup N1c1 is often the predominant haplogroup for Baltic people like Lithuanians and Latvians that have nothing to do with Finno-Ugrians. Thus claiming Rurik was a Finno-Ugrian only because he had the N1c1 haplogroup is absurd.
"entirely Europid, a lot more Europid than let's say Timo Soini... " Entirely Europid is quite relative. Yes, I consider all of us in Europe Europids, besides maybe some Near Eastern-like Sicilians and Cypriots. However, none of us is truly 100% European. Finns as well as Russian have a minor Siberian element (we have minor Caucasus elements too). We're still predominantly European. And I'm willing to bet your beloved Timo Soini is quite European in terms of genes regardless of his ugly looks.
Huh? Are you out of your mind? Finnish is equally European as any Indo-European language could ever hope to be. The Finnic branch of the language family come about in and around in Europe. Even today Finnic languages are only spoken in Europe. "non-European origins of Finns." Another completely incomprehensible statement. Finns are in fact extremely European by genetics. Certainly more so than Russians who lie on the border of Asia.
Livonian and Latvian are not mutually intelligible and I could understand most of what was spoken, basically its not livonion language but some kind of latvian dialect
1/3 Rurik wasn't a Finn by any stretch of the imagination. Rurik's ancestry is well documented in the Ioachim chronicle. Rurik was a Wend. His grandfather, Gostomysl, was the leader of the Obodrite confederation. So what, Lithuanians and Latvians are just Finns that speak a branch of Indo-European that no one else speaks in Europe? What kind of theory is that? Finnish is definitely not an Indo-European language since it shares no resemblance to any Indo-European language group whatsoever.
2/2 While tons of Finns look very Lappoid. A prime example of ethnic Finns with Lappoid influences would be Tarja Halonen, Timo Soini, and Johanna Manninen. But this should be of no surprise at all because Suomi (Finns) and Saami (Lapps) are brothers, even the names sound practically identical.
Only 3-4% of "Russians" have the Finnic look (Lappoid influenced) called the East-Baltid phenotype. while the 96-97% percent belong to phenotypes that are rather foreign to most Finnic nations. Either the Finnic tribes that were absorbed into the Russian gene-pool were entirely Europid (not likely), or there wasn't so much mixing after all. Take your pick.
"You can dream all you want but the name" Son, I am not dreaming. We're only having a discussion here. ""Rurik" only translates into Wend languages and has absolutely no connection to Finno-Ugrians." Like I said earlier, Finnish culture is not documented from those times. Given the fact that we have ton of proto-Germanic words in our language it's highly likely our names, especially around and near the Baltics, could have been anything in those times.
Livonians lived there long before baltic tribes appeared there. Livonians had to meet gothic invasion with Hermanaric as Gothic king. Livonians and Osialians and Kuronians were brother nations all. They were participating in famous Bravalla battle as allies of Eastern Swedish king.
Sorry this is not true all the chronicles which referred to Balt and fino-Ugric tribes distribution is strictly before the 9th century. In old Prussian territories there was no Liv folk . From the mother's side I'm mix of Kursa Liv and Salaca Liv and speak free in Liv and from father's side I am Latgolian and Curr mix and speak in Latgolian language and in Lithuanian Palanga dialect . One of the best ways to recognize Liv areas are river names and of course surnames in Latvia. And yet the Curr tribe is western Baltic tribe - they do not have anything common with Liv language, except history and that they lived very close together. It can be felt in Palanga they have strong Curr folk acent. There is one very interesting thing that I noticed as we know Liv always lived near water. The names of rivers in some parts of Latvia mostly remained in Liv but the names of the lakes all like one is anciant Balt names. It's a fact that some Balt tribe offsprings who now lives in Latvia are closely related to Liv but in Lithuanian Baltic tribes have no trace of Liv.
"Haplogroup N has many different variations." Yes, and given the fact that all 'European N' trace back to some proto-Finnic population in Northeastern Europe, we can conclude that Rurik was likely of Finnic origin. The Baltics were and still are heavily Finnic. So Rurik almost certainly was no Norse or a Slav.
