The LOST Spider-Man Movie - (Spider-Man 4 Retrospective) 

I remember seeing those Spider-Man 4 trailers in like 2010 with venom from Spiderman 3 edited and coloured in red to show a fake carnage and thinking they were real and telling my friends at school , good times.

If they were gonna do a story where Peter is tempted to cheat, I'd only accept something like the Mindy episode of the Simpsons, where the connection and temptation is there, but it only serves to strengthen the relationship in the end.

I'd love to Spider-Man 4 and The Amazing Spider-Man 3 done as standalone films outside of the MCU. I'd also love to see Tobey and Andrew return in another MCU Spider-Man film where the three Peters team with other spider-people and the consequences of curing the villains in No Way Home are explored.

That initial draft of Spider-Man 4 would have been devastating to watch. Spider-Man 3 probably would have been better by comparison

Honestly the plot outline of spider man 4 feels more like a bad fanfic rather than the final installment in the spider man series.

I think if Spider-Man 4 were to finally be announced. It would work. Cause now Raimi seems to have a better idea on how he wants to do it. Maybe it was for the best Spider-Man 4 got canceled then since Sam Raimi was clearly was overwhelmed with everything and didn’t know the kind of story he wanted, but now he does, or at least have some kind of idea. But I do think that there probably no way they can use any of the original ideas, especially using Vulture. There are people saying they could use Lizard, which yes it can work but I wanna see someone new, I think it would be interesting to see Tobey’s Spidey face off against Hobgoblin. I think it could be interesting. Now if they were to be able to use Vulture for this film, then I’d love to see them adapt the LifeTheft Storyline.

good thing that Jon Watts wrote the film the way it's meant to be , giving each individual Spider-men a happy ending which not only gives a redemption to the characters but also gives them a closure.

If one day scientists manage to invent multiversal travel, the first place I'm going to is a universe where Spider-Man 4 wasn't cancelled.

Carnage being in spiderman 4 couldve worked since Dr Conners still had a piece of symbiote in his posession

if sony ever decides to make a sequel it will be a blessing.

Too much time has passed to film it the way it was intended. I think a graphic novel would be the perfect format for it. I remember people were freaking out when Marvel Comics tweeted out a webbed “4” image. Turns out, it was a countdown to a story that no one cared about. But starting the count with 4 was just cruel.

The Spider Man Trilogy should have ended with Spider Man 3 the film Sam Raimi wanted to make (Not Avi Arad and the studio shoehorning Venom in the movie for merchandising reasons)

There’s actually an early draft of a script for this movie where the Vulture isn’t present, and the Lizard is the main villain. It’s pretty interesting and you can read it online if you want to know all the details.

I just wonder what memes would've come from this movie

I was drinking water during the video and when you said "Ken Penders" I nearly died. Highlight of my week

Seeing Peter Cheating on MJ in Spider-man 4 is just messed up cause in Spider-Man 1 and 2 he tried to do all he can to get with MJ and in the 3rd he did but then he screwed it all up if it was Felicia Hardy when having the black suit it would be fine but in the 4th cheating on MJ out of his own free will? It would have been the worst Spider-Man movie to have ever existed.

I hated what Rami did with Mj and Peter they had the best backstory but was mishandled Mj was going back and forth between guys Peter just pinned after her, and Mj left a good man at the altar for Peter

Fun fact: The Vulture has a daughter in the comics named Valeria Toomes(Jessup). Whos a SHIELD agent.

When the tasm series released I was excited I was young and quite tired of Tobey as Spiderman I liked Tobey but by the time I turned 9 my feelings changed about his spidey so I was happy they rebooted as 3 felt like the end to his story

I cant be the only 1 thinking carnage was in spiderman 4

I would love having Spider-Man 4, TASM 3 and the 4th mcu Spider-Man movie be done. I mean who said we can’t have 3 Spider-Man movie franchisees going at the same time ? All 3 actors have passionate fan bases and if you don’t like one of them there’s always the other one

I still would’ve loved Bruce Campbell to play as a Mysterio variant just selling hotdogs in Multiverse of Madness. You know just for comedic effect and to give some rami fans an ease of mind that somewhere in the multiverse Sam Rami's Spider-man 4 still occurred but off screen.

Gave me a nostalgia trip with the web of shadows in the background

The fact that this movie never came out is one of the biggest tragedies of my life

Are you... sure, about the affair thing? Every version of Spider-Man 4 I've heard over the years had Peter and MJ already broken up at the start of the movie. Even Henderson's book says ""We were going to open the movie with this montage of all the villains we knew that Sam would never be able to use in Spider-Man movies… because Peter, now that MJ [Mary Jane] HAS GONE, he has finally made peace, and he loves being Spider-Man."

I think it's a good thing this film didn't happen, clearly we wouldn't have Andrew's spidey, but we also wouldn't have tom, if this film happened 5 and 6 probably also would have happened, and at best those films would have ended in 2015, and worst 2019. So this being canceled is kinda a blessing in despise, also with this film, Ann Hathaway probably wouldn't be in the dark night rises

Black Cat is a professional thief in the comics. After Spiderman interferes with a few her heists. She starts pursuing Spiderman, but not for romantic reasons, well not at first. She eventually discovers his real identity, and then starts interfering with his personal life. Eventually the two become allies, after Spiderman saves her life. After she becomes his source of information on the New York's criminal underworld. Like King Pin, and the mob. The two of them do become a couple for a short time, but I wouldn't call their relationship romantic. It's more a fling that happens, while Peter and Mary Jane are taking a break on their relationship.

you forgot to say that Dr. Connors played by Dylan Baker was supposed to be in Spider-Man 4

I’d like to step into another dimension to see where this movie was made, I’d love to watch it. We all would. It’s just.. not possible.

A good way to start the day

‘Turn off the Dark’ next…Ooooh, yes! That’s going to provide A LOT of juicy material to tear into (and possibly even Musical Theater geeks to check out your channel)! For ‘Spider-Man 4’, with all these details in the story about Peter having an affair behind MJ’s back (after his fall from grace in movie 3), the retread of the Norman/Harry storylines with Vlture and Vultress, and Peter supposedly quitting being Spider-Man at the end (AGAIN, again)…Yeah, I think it was for the best that Raimi left the story to rest. Heart-breaking as that decision must have been for him, he already had such a struggle balancing the story for Movie 3 and it’s multiple plot threads with the marketing agenda the studio had placed upon him, so I wouldn’t want to see him go through the same thing again to (most likely) lesser success. Now I think ‘No Way Home’ did a fairly good job at (vaguely) detailing Tobey Miguire’s Spider-Man’s life after the events of the trilogy (especially with the brief line about how he and Mary Jane did manage to make their relationship work after a while)…but if we ever do get a return to the Raimiverse sometime in the future, I’d be open to seeing what it has to offer.

I find this draft very odd, though sounds like they were kicking a few ideas around

In reference to the similarities between Spider-man 4 and Spider-man Homecoming, did you know David Koepp's first draft of Raimi's Spider-man 2 featured a lot of similarities with The Amazing Spider-man (2012)?

22:49 might have to sample that for a song, lmao

I like the soundtrack you used, webs of shadows is goated

Spider-Man channels try not to milk the cancelled Spider-Man 4 (impossible)

I remember an old rumor about a verison of Spiderman 4 With Scorpion as the main villain and Black cat as a side kick, but also another love interest. When you think about it that idea seems too similar to the dark knight rises.

Wow. I can kinda see why this movie never got made. I guess it's like Superman Lives where fans made it up to sound more interesting than the actual story they had in mind. But it makes me happy we got The Amazing Spider-Man, and No Way Home's take on Maguire's Spider-Man after the third film. Also, when you mentioned Sony wanted SM5 and SM6, that's not true. Raimi denied this as well. You see, while Raimi was developing SM4, Sony hired it's screenwriter to write the scripts for TASM 1 &2 behind Raimi's back as backup plans, in case SM4 fell through. They were just labeled as 5 and 6 on social media but nobody knew they were the scripts for a reboot. The screenwriter even said SM4 would've intentionally ended the series. Meaning Spider-Man retired for good at the end. Once Raimi's sequel fell through and he left, Sony immediately announced their reboot plans in 2010. And Sam Raimi told the executives "Go ahead with your reboot. Which, you've been planning anyway."

(Af far as I can remember) I always thought that this version of the movie we could have gotten would have been awesome. But... ...Peter cheating on MJ. Basically a copy paste of TheNorman Osborn and Harry Osborn storyline. I think a better way to do it would have been to have The Vulture be the main villain, and after Felicia found out, she found out, she became Black Cat to help Sider-Man stop him. Something like that. Idk really. Also, don't have Peter cheat on MJ, of course.

I wish Spider-Man 4 happened and i think one more solo movie for Tobey Maguire Spider-Man movie could work.

It's a true shame Spider-Man 4 was cancelled most of the ideas for this sounded amazing. I really don't like the whole affair storyline though that would've been terrible

BTW i don't want a sequel of it because of how it might turn out.

They should get SM 4 done in my opinion

OOOH! thats why in PROTOTYPE game i fought weirdly too many helicopters !!!!

What was that live action footage at the beginning? That looked real good

Pretty cool storyboards. Did they actually get John Romita Jr. to do them? Cause that's dope

Having Peter Parker cheat just isn’t a good idea ever. Characters like Spider-Man are Paragons and it just doesn’t work. It goes against him as a character and everything he stands for, I hated it in the comics too.

Side note: that 2002 raimi suit mod looks fucken amazing

That fan film looks pretty good imo 😉

I gotta say props to Raimi to not make a 4th one at the time and maybe its because of the third one not doing so well critically it made him nervous to risk making a 4th one which might of been even more hated than the previous one with some of the ideas they were gonna go with or at least that's just my guess if they were to go with those. He always seem to make these movies outta love and passion instead of money. But who's to say with many years past now there could be a chance of a 4th one but with a very different story altogether and so on.

The Lost Of My Childhood until 2021

I'm getting worn out on requels, legacy sequels, reboots, etc. But a Raimi helmed Spider-Man 4 with Maguire, Dunst, etc would really feel special with the right story. I think adapting aspects of the Mayday story would be great.

They’d have to go through his rogues gallery if this was to happen because Vulture was in Homecoming, Mysterio was in Far from Home, Carnage was in Venom: Let there Be Carnage, Morbius was in… well Morbius, etc. I remember getting the chance to read a draft of the script. It was short but it had the same affair, no Vulturess, had SM/Black Cat bromance, Vulture-led Sinister Six, Toomes being Mary Jane’s father and her being Black Cat’s sister, etc. It was a bit better but the affair… Nah… A guy can DREAM but if this happens, I’d hope for a Sinister Six as well. Also Raimi directed Multiverse of Madness and eyed to also do so for the third movie and Secret Wars. He came to the realization that anything is possible. Tobey has also said that if they called him and asked him to come hang out and goof around or do a Spider-Man thing as he said yes because why wouldn’t he want to do it. So did Kirsten. But they’ll do anything for money…

13:41 Now WHY, oh WHY does THAT sound familiar...

The Mario Bros bump made me spit coffee laughing. The video itself was also amazing XD Pup you're killing it with these film retrospectives.

oh man, you brought me back to 2006 RU-vid checking every SM3 leak getting Rick Rolled

Was the beginning song from Jerry Galeries?

Spider-Man

Sucks it was cancelled twice but man we need to see amazing spiderman 3 at least

I hope that if Spider-Man 3 had been made, they would have steered away from everything we see in these scripts. Vulture and Black Cat sure, but I think Peter and Mj's relationship--Kinda the crux the Raimi saga built itself on--going away to an affair would make Peter truly unlikable. But I think Marvel's editorial probably pushed for that script to go along with the comics since by that point, Peter and MJ weren't together anymore. Also with the footage at 17:50 it doesn't take that long to defeat the helicopter actually in that prototype version, the person playing in that footage seems to just be trying to show off everything and not finishing the fight quickly.

spider-man game of the year edition

Isn’t that polt line not just a repeat of the Goblin and Lil Goblin Jr.

uncle bean killer is now forgiven you mean that one who was one of the villans of spider man 3 , but HE did not kill him , it was that thief that peter caught in first film

6:52 terrible cheating subplot 4:45 Hmmm no new suit needed 10:55 no no 11:28 thats a understament

Huh, how very interesting, I would’ve liked to see a Spider-Man 4 happen, it’s a shame with how things turned out for it, i wonder if there’s still a chance? Regardless though, at least we have passionate fans willing to do very interesting things for the things they admire, is the Fan-Film out now or is it still being worked on?

Tom Holland is getting Spider-Man 4

Hold up, Ken Penders was a part of Spider-Man 4 before it was cancelled? Oh boy I’ve got a bad feeling one of these days he’s gonna act like whatever he might have thought of are his ideas alone that he owns them or something and acts lawsuit-trigger-happy even though he might not try it, I mean if he’s gonna think that Avengers:Endgame was called that because of the Archie Sonic comic called Endgame (I wish I was making that up) then who knows what would go through his head for whatever he may have made for this

I was totally with it up until Vultress tbh. Bad case of third act CBM symdrome

I think if we will get spiderman 4, we need to get tasm3 firs

I'm sad that they don't make a spider man 4

is it really lost? NO! bcuz raimi, tobey and dunst along with J.K. Simmons all said early this year after nwh that they're open to return to make spider man 4

Maybe one day he’ll tell me what song he uses for his intro, sounds like a Bobby brown song

CMON MARVEL DO THIS AND ASM3 NOW!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, this movie from the sounds of it would have undone any good will the Raimi films have had much in the same way Batman & Robin did for the Burton/Schumacher films

Excelsior

What game is in the video?

3:48p.m. 4/28/2023

5:15 NAHHHHHHH I think of Tom Hollands final swing suit in no way home and THATS THE DEFINITIVE SUIT FOR LIVE ACTION SPIDER-MAN!!!!!!!!!!

I like spider man 2

I still wanted a Spider-Man 4 😤😓 I always heard Jim Carrey was carnage. I can kind of see it

If you would have asked the 2011 me I would of been super frustrated why we didn’t get a fourth but slightly older now I get why and i’m glad. The films had a formula that connected and made them work but to make so many of these films it becomes serialised and bland. Almost unoriginal, taking the concept from the last film and switching just to have another villain. Like I’m not too fussed about seeing the vulture and black cat in this universe if they are basically carbon copy’s of Norman Osborn and Betty Brant filled in only to make MJ jealous. A point which you’ve picked up on. We’ve already had this plot point happen in the third film with Gwen Stacey. It’s the same thing just different characters. I see potential in the possibility of bring one final film back maybe in like a Logan style but nothing more than that and really even though he’s my childhood hero. I would have been more than happen to bury him after Spider-Man 3 it’s the golden trilogy. It’s contained, it doesn’t need to be anything more than that. Though I do like the idea of Bruce Campbell being in the fourth as mysterio because he made cameos as two different people in the different things and said “add’s to the illusion” in the second. His characters he was playing were wacky so maybe his set up was to get caught to foil a plan but Peter was far too caught up with other things to recognise him as a threat

I would do something more different. MJ and Parker would fight about being Spider-Man and that sooner or later he would dead. Also people keep hating Spider-Man and then Black Cat would show Spider-Man that being a hero is not too bad and fight with him. Then Spider-Man fights the Vulture and then find out May is dating Vulture and Parker can't do anything about it an just try to understand and reason with him. Something like that and MJ finally let him be Spider-Man and Black Cat would team up with Spider-Man from time to time. But not fully

what about the amazing spider man 3 movie ?

The best trilogy should have ended better than Spider-Man 3. I mean don't get me wrong, Spider-Man 3 was good, but it wasn't great like the first and second movies.

That sounded like complete garbage

We getting amazing Spiderman 3 no spidey4

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HELP ME PLEASE IM GOING TO DIE

That "new" suit for Spidery was for The Amazing Spider-Man, not Spider-Man 4! In his website he says: "As a bonus, I put an ‘audition’ piece at the bottom that I did for the late, great J. Michael Riva, (RIP), who asked me to join him on the reboot, not long after SM4 shut down. Two days before I was to start on the reboot, (which, to be honest, I was a bit conflicted about…), Sam called me in for what- would- eventually become OZ… so that was it for me, Sam and Spidey" Did you read it? REBOOT. Not SM4, geez. I'm tired of people who think that suit concept art it's from SM4 Also, you just made up all that story xD

Kind of glad that this film never got released. Would have ruined Peter's character in the worst way possible and the repeat of some storylines like Peter giving up Spider-Man and the whole revenge plot where the villain's child misinterprets a moment in time would make the Raimi films repetitive and a bit cheap.

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If Sony greenlits it, they'll have to get rid of AVI ARAD Or else, it will be just another failure

I have the whole pixelated game can someone help me

Well, to be honest, that plot for cancelled Spider-Man 4 is kinda sucks. Sure, it would be nice to see my favorite Spider-Man return again, but the plot needs some changes. Like, instead of Spider-Man kicking Vulture from the roof to his death, he get's up, beat him really badly, Vulture just gives up and escapes, promising to return. Then, we move back to Peter's none Spider-Man life, where he is returning to work, and after some time he finds out that, there is some robbery going on around the city. Then, he puts on Spider-Man suit and goes to investigate those cases, along with police arriving on the scene of crimes. And then, they all find out that, it was some kind of a thief, who was escaping from the crime scene, and Spider-Man goes to chance that thief down, but lost him eventually. Then, we get back to Peter and MJ's montage with their better life now, after which, at some point, Peter returns back to work, only to find out that his boss of the organization that he was working on, turns out to be a Vulture. Like, he just caught Adrian Toomes finishing putting on his vulture suit, while that thief, who escaped from the crime scene previously, arguing with him about stolen stuff and the price. And then it turns out that, that thief was a Black Cat. Then they noticed Peter, and chase him down, just to catch him and probably kill him, but he manages to hide behind the corner, put on his Spider-Man suit, and gives the battle back to those two. And during the fight, when Spider-Man takes down Vulture again, but this time without serious damage been done to him, simply sticking him to the wall with his webs, he left to fight against Black Cat. And during that fight, Black Cat notices some familiar voice behind the Spider-Man's mask, and during the fight, when they fell from the roof, Black Cat manages to torn Spider-Man's mask, revealing Peter's face, while Peter sees who Black Cat really is - the Felicia Hardy. Then, they starting a conversation of, why all this stuff happened, Peter is trying to convince her to stop been a thief, and maybe team up with him. And after some struggle, she agrees. Then, Peter covers his face with a web, just to hide his true identity, just in time before the Vulture strikes back. He grabs Spider-Man, and drags him through the buildings, smashing him through some windows, but Spider-Man break out of this fight, and starts to fight back, just in time when Black Cat decided to join him, and they fight back against Vulture, defeating him in the process. They break his wings and knock him out, when police arrives on to the scene, arresting Toomes, but since they have no idea that, that thief that they were trying to catch was a Black Cat, they let her go with Spider-Man. Then, few days later, we have a montage with Spider-Man and Black Cat working together, when there is a radio message from the police that Vuture escaped. Thus, when they arrive at prison, they see all cops been defeated or killed, and then Vulture flies on top of the building, revealing that he knows the true identity of Spider-Man, and before he attacks them both, he impales the Black Cat with one of his sword-like feather, through her shoulder, and then attacks them both. He beats them both very badly, but then whole S.W.A.T arrives and shoots at Vulture, while Spider-Man grabs him with his web and pulls him down, smacking him by his back on to the statue nearby, damaging his spine. Then, in rage, he jumps on Vulture, beating his face so badly that it turns blue. And, finally, Black Cat drags him away and they escape together, while the S.W.A.T and police taking Vulture in to another prison with maximum security, putting him on a wheelchair in the end. And in the ending, Peter introduces Felicia to MJ as his co-worker, and they get along just fine. They build a friendship, but then, there is a scene with Vulture already planning his revenge and his escape, while camera shifts out of his cell, revealing some mistery figure standing in the dark at him. This way, the plot of Spider-Man 4 would be better, in my opinion. Sure, it is just my fantasy and all that, but it is better than what they were planning to do.

Ramies series was becoming stale and this film would have just added to that. Another mid level at best spidey film. They could have gone a completely different route which would have made it interesting but eh Sony! A new suit would have been a start. If they were to do it now is a blessing with 15 years to think about it. An R rated comic accurate kravens last hunt in the the style of Logan could do that, Peter now a dad. Maybe introduce miles. Something refreshing

If this movie had been released as it is, I think it would have been the very worst Spider-Man movie

I guess things end up the way they should, this script sounds terrible, and Tobey and Kirsten were too old to keep playing these characters...on the other hand, there are conflicted reports about this movie, Raimi started once Anne Hatheway was playing Black Cat and not the Vulturess, and just last year Bruce Campbell started he was not playing Mysterio in this movie.

So no, not making another Spider-Man movie 🎥

I'd almost prefer they'd just have done a One More Day adaptation in order to separate Peter and MJ.

5:46 this is false.