I thought the reason Link never got lost in the Lost Woods in OoT because he has a fairy... isn’t that one of the main reasons the Kokiri have fairies to begin with?
Well, to be fair, Link doesn't get Navi until he is 10 years old and if you think the lost woods and kokiri forest are diffrent they aren't really it's just the fact that there's a loading zone
Olliverse ! Uhhh, they absolutely ARE different. It’s kinda explicitly implied in the fact that one of them is called the Kokiri Forest, and the other is called The Lost Woods. They’re two different things.
@@wokeupinapanic They're all part of the forbidden forest. The Kokiri, or anyone with a fairy, can walk about the forest unharmed. If you waltz into there without a fairy you will eventually turn into a Stalfos (adult) or a skull kid (child).
The reason Link appears at the start again is because he has a fairy. Mido even tells him that he will simply appear in Kokiri Forest again if he gets lost. You cannot be lost while having a fairy of the Deku Tree that protects you. The scary thing about Fado is how she laughs about him becoming a Stalfos. I always knew something was up with that bitch. She always takes Mido's side and laughs at the suffering of others. Then she vanishes after Grog's death.
Isaac Bridges when does Mido say that? Also if he was being guided he wouldn’t have to leave the forest after a wrong turn... It’s an interesting theory though.
Yeah i do remember reading some and even people in the town gossiping about not getting lost in the woods cuz you would turn into a monster. I think it was in Ocarina of time 3d but im not sure
Isn't that adults who get lost in the lost woods transform into stalfos and children transform into skull kid? Cus I never saw a stalchild in the lost woods I think they have another origin
It's very obvious that Stal doesn't mean they were created by the woods. It's only stated that getting lost in the lost woods turns you into a Stalfos, not that it's the origin point of all Stalfos. Also Stalchildren aren't children, as evidence even in Majoras Mask where stalchildren make up a part of the Ikana military, and were also part of it in life. In Twilight Princess, they're just pygmy sized stalfos too, not child like at all. Also Link is clearly spared the horrors of the lost woods because he has a fairy with him
I think Skull Kids are kokiri who for some reason lost their fairy, and ended cursed without the protection. Evidence for this is that both kokiri and skull kids have strong connection with the forest and play flutes. Regular children lost in the woods would probably turn into Stalchildren, altought that was kinda rare to happen (that's why we never see one there). But I'm pretty sure Stalchildren are.. well, children. The Majora's Mask version of them can't be used as a reference in Hyrule, because it's a whole alternate dimension.
Not only Stalchindren but even Stalfos for that matter... I can't remember if we fight Stalfos at the Forest Temple. Besides that, zero Stalfos inside the Lost Woods.
Daniel Thrash may not be fully canon but may be partially canon where it is somewhat true some of what happens in it that doesn’t happen in game may be partially true
@Skyria13 you mixed up the wording, as the game explains the story. Links mom was mortally wounded when she made it to the kokiri woods and beg the tree to taker care of him. The tree most likely entrusted him to Saria as she is very much is mother/best friend to link. The deku tree explains why link is a hylian, not a kokiri as he was raised to believe he was kokiri. The deku tree explains that a mother and child were trying to escape the flames of war, as a big war broke out across hyrule. She was wounded in her escape, and asked the deku tree to allow him to stay. The deku tree allowed this as he sensed Link to be a child of destiny.
To led further credibility to this theory, in the original Japanese text, Skull Kids are known as Stal Kids, connecting them to the other Stal subspecies. This provides evidence via the Kokiri becoming Stal Kids that one does not have to die to become a Stal being. Happy Michael Myers day, Mask! Great video as always!
Just a thought... if Sarias song is in fact the invertion of the song of healing and slowly draining the life out of all living being without a fairy, what if this is exactly the reason for his existence? What if the forest and therefor the deku tree needs to feed from life itself? Maybe that's why kokiri don't age normaly... because thanks to the fairies they absorb this life energy... without the fairies or the too far away from the lost woods, the life and human like look vanishes... leaving nothing more than the korox deep within them... Darunia might not have been affected because he only heard the song once and just a little bit of life was sucked out of him. This could explain why A: we never see any normal living animals in the woods And B: this might be the reason why the lost woods are ever wandering and expanding... always looking for new life to consume and on that way nearly by accident connecting different regions and even dimensions like termina.
Eh....not really. The reason why the gorons know Sarias song is due to the entrance that is sealed off prior to Link bombing it open. So they can literally hear it whenever and I am sure it would be common knowledge if the song actually had that effect.
Well, some comments in regards to the video: Acording to the Deku tree, Kokiri forest was acted as a barrier that protected hyrule agaist external threats, so it is posible that is the case, and the transformation is to keep foreign powers away from hyrule. After all, most depiction of the forest thend to be on the edges of hyrule, and extend far beyond the explorable map. Being turned Skull kids are implied to be what happens to childs who get lost in the woods, not stallchild, at least acording to one comment fron Navi. The stalchild seems to be totally unrelated to the woods, and more related to places where blood, violence and death ocurred, such as Ikana or hyrule field (Hyrule just had a very bloody civil war). Probably, the child in its because both for its small size, and if Ocarina is any indication, haunting small childs (despite Hyrule being in a worst state as an adult, they don't swarm Link at night, unlike when he is a child).
TO BE ABOSLUTELY FAIR Dee-ku is something you could guess from deku given there are no accent marks or anything to tell you it's day-ku, so I knew a lot of people who said Dee-ku back in the day, and I can see being set in your ways on this one. I mean, if you're a ten year old kid, that might get pretty dang stuck in your head and just throw you off when recording to try to switch it up. Om-ni-ous sounds more like an accent thing, so it isn't the WORST, but I have never heard ominous said that way ever, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for that one. Saria though, that doesn't make any sense at all. Saria is a real name outside of Zelda (and isn't even Japanese) and is always, and has always, been pronounced Sar-ee-ah.
It’s actually more like DECK-koo and SAH-ree-ah. (A bit similar to sorry-uh, if that helps.) It’s derived from Japanese. A lot of names in Nintendo game get easier to pronounce by keeping that in mind.
Your Wayward Destiny - Sorry for any repetition of your comment. I studied Japanese in college and these butcherings drive me bonkers. I wasn’t correcting you, obviously, but rather clarifying for the OP and others.
Just to add to the Kokiri are turned into Skull Kids theory... The Kokiri Clothes from Triforce Heroes have more in common with the clothes that Skull Kids wear than with the Kokori. Most of the outfit is green like the Kokiri are but the hat has a tattered brim and the gloves are fingerless just like Skull Kid's.
I've always assumed Link's inability to get lost in the woods was tied to him being the Hero. With his connection to the forest, those that live there, and the #TriforceOfCourage he would be protected from the curse. Others that wander in wouldn't be so lucky.
See, I always thought the turning into a stalfos thing was a euphemism for death. The Kokiri have never left their forest of eternal youth--so they can't possibly understand death, as they have never seen it. This is supported by the fact that very few of the Kokiri react to the Deku Tree's death. They see a skeleton and think stalfos, because that's what they know. I also thought that "lost" didn't mean physically, but that they had lost themselves; thus, Link would be unaffected, because he knows who he is.
Uhm, doesn't Link actually turn into Stalfos at the end, when we see him in Twillight Princess educating the TP Link? I really like the Theory, that it is Saria's Song what haunts the People and turns them into Skeletons.
He's a shade, not a stalfos. Kind of like a Po. he's also an adult Hylian Knight by that point too. However I like the small theory that at the end of his life, the hero of time entered the lost woods for undeath to teach his predecessor .
What happens if you die in the Lost Woods after being transformed into a Stalfos? Do you become a grotesque haunted tree deep in the darkness of the Haunted Forest?
Kyle Cloud here! I just want to give my heartfelt thanks to you, MNB, for featuring my silly theory. It's an honour to be mentioned in one of your videos, and an even bigger honour to be part of your amazing community! I hope you always keep making great content like this, and thank you for everything! =D
The Skull Kid that you give the mask to in LoZ:OoT is actually the same Skull Kid that we face off against in LoZ:MM (revealed at the end of the game by the Skull Kid himself)!
In the graphic novel, there’s a short story about the skull kid. It says that he was a hyruleian child who go lost in the lost woods, and got turned into Skull kid, so this theory isn’t far fetched at all!
I thought the skull kids were children that got lost in the lost woods but the kokiri themselves and the connection ton to them becoming the koroks by said method makes so much sense
It says right in the cut-scenes that the Great Deku Tree took the Hylian child in as he sensed he was a child of destiny. There is no point to this "theory" it is stated Link has the Great Deku Tree's protection
Even then, Link is required to go there in the middle of his childquest. Unless we assume the protection lasts for weeks and months after officially having expired, that should not be possible.(I know it is possible to get all stones in just a few days ingame, but that is assuming the casual player already knows what to do)
Fun Fakt: In the german version of the Game, Fido never said that Grog may have turned into a Stafos. Instead she said he may have turned into a plant.
My theory: The Lost Woods are an extension of the seal of Demise, held within the Master Sword, and will grow around the sword pedestal whenever it isn't housed within a suitably secure and sacred building. This explains the changing location of the woods, and why the sword is so often hidden deep within
A likely scenario, it would explain why even the Kokiri can't live in the forest in peace, and why terrible things happens to those who get lost, someone also mentioned that it's not when people physically get lost in the forest, if you've lost yourself(as a person) in the forest you become a monster. The problem with your theory is that in ocarina of time the master sword is sealed within the Temple of Time, and that the Lost woods is still deadly.
In every game featuring in the Lost Woods the trees look like people. An interesting coincidence is that in A Link To the Past a kid actually becomes a tree.
The game states that adults turn into Stalfos and children (not Kokiri) turn into Skull Kids. Kokiri are not eternally children, it's stated specifically that they are a "Child-like race". They look like kids, but are not actually kids. I've heard a theory that the stalchilds in Hyrule Field are actually the cursed bodies of children who died during the Hyrulean Civil War(The war Link was born in)... which is... fascinating and terrifying
Ganon has stepped foot into the Lost Woods though. He spoke to the Deku tree when he tried to get the Emerald and cursed him when the Deku Tree refused..... Unless your saying that the protection that the Tree put on the Lost woods wouldnt reach the Deku tree himself.... Thats like putting a a bullet proof sheild then standing in front of it.
@@andrewthemaroon8608 Well actually it does deku tree is the Guardian of kokiris so to protect them from becoming skull kids he does not make kokiri forest that much protected or if he had power to control life and death why does he not use it to stop ganondorf's curse. It is likely that it was actually protected by goddess. Well, so yeah it looks like deku tree was not the one to put the protection
Pretty sure Ganondorf is just too magically powerful for the curse of the woods to do jack shit to him. That actually plays perfectly into why the being created to keep the curse up(Gohma) was protected from dying.
To me I think the Lost Woods was created for the purpose of looping people back out of the woods kind of like a small maze for people with greed in their heart and I think somewhere off screen years before links Gannon probably try the same at it and then cursed it out of anger
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In Ocarina of Time there is actually a trick to the lost woods, If you face a choice look for the darkest tunnel and it wont teleport you to the village.
Didn't somewhere in OoT (maybe a gossip stone) say that people who have the protection of a fairy are immune to the negative effects of the Lost Woods?
I’m pretty sure Navi is the only reason Link doesn’t become a skull kid and simply reappears outside of the woods in kokiri forest. I think that the fairies protect you.
I highly doubt it's Saria's Song that corrupts people & turns them into monsters when they get lost in the Lost Woods. Saria would not have taught it to Link if the song had such negative power.
Also, one more thing I found interesting in the Lost Woods is if you go through the section of the woods where you use the forest dwelling equipment. Just as you reach Mido Swamp. You’ll find a secret pathway. I’m not sure if I’m the first person to discover this or what. But I still thought it was interesting.
I've always thought that if you enter the Lost Woods without a fairy, you'll be lost forever and become a Stalfos, and for the Kokiri, the same. If the fairies left them, they become skull kids. And for the song, if Termina is like another side of the coin, maybe Saria's Song is actually a song of healing in Hyrule and that's why Darunia dances with happiness when he hears it...
I'm thinking about rigging my office desk to play the item chest music every time I open my drawer. I work in IT with other gamers so I know they will get a kick out of it😅
Well...Link did eventually become a Stalfos. (Allegedly OoT Link-the one actually raised in Kokiri Forest-buuuut, “timelines and historia” or not, that Stalfos is MUCH taller than Link who’s always...small...in any incarnation, and definitely talks more than Time’s Dialogue Prompts/Implications, and nobody in that time period wears that style armor...but...whatever.)
Seems a little hard to imagine that the gods or even the protective spirits of the woods would lay such a curse on them that could so easily do in wayward travelers. I always assumed it was more of a matter of one dying that would lead to the transformation into Stalfos, as discussion of the "Hero's shade is a Stalfos" theory often involved how it seemed unlikely that OoT Link perished in the woods (among other reason as to why his spirit isn't a Stalfos). Dying in the woods does seem to fit with the almost suicidal implications given off by Grog, since he appeared to have nothing to live for judging by his attitude and dialogue.
That and further evidence going against the hero shade being a stalfos is that the stalfos are generally corrupt physical manifestations of skeletons. The Hero Shade is a specter, a ghostly figure with his will in tact and interacts with TP LInk on a different plain.
Why is it daunting to become a skull kid over a stalchild? Also the Koroks are afraid of the lost woods because there are monsters there and it is dangerous, as evidenced by makar getting almost swallowed whole and eaten by the boss of the lost words.
Yeah, he’s a ghost/spirit. Ypu can even see translucent skin a little bit. Stalfos are just clothes on bone reanimated monsters and OoT Link is not. Also, after all he appears as golden wolf in the real world.
The Song of Healing doesn't actually heal, despite what the characters SAY. It's SHOWN to simply soothe, to...well...mask the pain behind a mask. It hides the suffering, covering it with a happy facade. So if Saria's Song is the opposite...well, it does often represent childlike innocence. So, if the Song of Healing is more accurately called the Song of Covering, then maybe Saria's Song is the Song of Revealing. The song that shows what those who hear it truly are.
it actually makes sence for link to not die or become a stalfo, because he was raised as a kokiri. and what do kokiri know? the dangers of the lost woods. so when link realises hes going to be lost, he heads right back to kokiri forest
A note about the song of healing, it seems to not heal the body. Remember the Zora on the beach (in Majora's Mask), for instance. My guess is that the song of healing is a song for the healing of the soul. Also, (in Majora's Mask), remember the moment you get the Goron Mask.
And Navi can hear the spirits in the Bottom of the Well, I think both Link & Navi can hear the ones in the Shadow Temple since random text boxes of “Here lies Hyrules bloody history of greed and hatred” keep popping up if you’re taking your sweet time in that area.
@@ZeldaLover6 Aren't those textboxes just tied to specific places? In that case, it would probably be the ghosts actively creating physical sound. As a matter of fact, Navi actually has to tell Link what the Spirits of the skelletons in the well are even saying, so it is clear that he cannot hear those.
My theory was always that when people got lost in the woods, its not that they get transformed into the living dead, its that their consciousness is transferred to Termina and a host body is left behind! Just a small weird theory i always had but it could explain the events!!
I agree that Kokiri become Skull Kids when they get lost in the Lost Woods without their Fairy. But what happens when Koroks get lost in the Lost Woods? My theory: Blupees.
FAIRY! Fairys are what protect the kokori from the forest, link is protected because he has navi with him, adults become stalfos, children without fairys become skullchildren, that's why in either timeline you can find kokori just hanging out in the woods with no problem
I bet it's the mushrooms and fungus, makes clouds of spores that look like fog, infects those exposed for too long, corticep makes em zombies....or it could just be magic, that's probably it
i know its super late, but im just seeing this now and for some reason im imagining a much creepier potential for these kids. one of the creepiest moments in gaming for me personally, was silent hill 3 when the detective joked about how you saw the enemies as monsters, implying they were humans and that you were the one having a mental breakdown. i feel like OoT could actually have done the same thing, where link sees the kokiri as children, but they're all the "imps" or "skull kids" in reality, and could possibly have been revealed with the lens of truth, seeing as the adult timeline in the game was just horrifying in all other aspects as it is. of course, that didnt happen, and never will. just an interesting and sleep depriving idea this video forced me to think about. thanks for that.
I think, personally, the most notable appearance was in the original Loz ... I was probably 7 when I played it back in the 80s. By far the most influential lost woods and Zelda game in my life. Botw lost woods come in number 2 just because it's gorgeous and I love the follow the wind motif.
OoT was the first Zelda I played and the Lost Woods was one of my favorite locations in that game. I like the fact that the reason why certain people who enters the Lost Woods become lost and eventually transforms into Stalfos is never fully explained. I'm not sure if Saria's Song had anything to do with that directly but perhaps unlike Link who can follow the song through the Lost Woods safely, others who would enter would eventually get hopefully lost and succumb to the curse of the Woods. Either way its creepy and I love it! :D
this makes me think, actually zelda is awfully wells uited for a horror themed spinoff title, not playing our hero of whatever, but just a mostly helpless person that is not destined to be great and powerfull, exposed to hyrules darkest horrors..... but i doubt nintendo would even consider
The thing you said about becoming a stalfos is the girl specficly says Any grown ups who become lost becomes a stalfos I think skullkids are what happens when a child "becomes lost" also i think becoming lost is more metaphorical than actual
...And that one miserable Kokori went on to torment the land of Termina before finding happiness, after which he redeemed himself by guarding the Master Sword until using his friend's lantern to guide the Hero of Twilight, right MNB?
If the temple of time and the master sword are located in the lost woods in twilight princess... and the master sword is still in the lost woods but now in front of the deku tree and the temple of time is at the great plateu... but the lost woods and great plateau changed places... then what exactly happend ?
I'm late for this video but I'm glad I came across it. All day i was thinking about what my theory was last night (before seeing this video) and this made me remember: What if the lost woods was created by the Deku tree? In a bit of a sinister perspective, what if he uses the energy that is from the other trees to protect what is inside, and the kokiri, turning those who go inside into stalfos. However, if the kokiri were to go inside even if they knew better, the deku tree "punished" them by turning them into skull kids?
Just thought i'd mention after watching this fantastic video, that in oracle of ages, fairies actually rearrange the woods so you can't get out, just for fun!!
I think saying the woods turns you into a stalfos was just Nintendo’s clever E rated way of saying you die when you get lost in the woods. You know, because a stalfos is a skeleton and all. Lol. The little girl was saying that grog died. Lol
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