The M-Mount Bargain of the Century.

Подписаться 91 тыс.

Просмотров 34 тыс.

50% 1

GET THE LENS HERE (affiliate links) - howl.me/clrZdBQSj4d or geni.us/z93LR
ADAPTERS (affiliate links):
Sony - geni.us/LptLV
Canon RF - geni.us/dAZBr1
Canon EF-M - geni.us/sSJOm
L Mount - geni.us/aA0ZfJ
Fuji X - geni.us/tH8sG
Nikon Z - geni.us/AdctOyt
SAMPLE IMAGES FROM THIS CAMERA - geni.us/DRSsc
Using these LUTS - bit.ly/3DioRIh
GEAR I USED TO MAKE THIS VIDEO
[VIDEO GEAR] (affiliate links)
A Camera - geni.us/fCo6 or howl.me/ckVm0lD1bLa
A Lens - geni.us/sKvSYgw or howl.me/ck41FnUiazg
B Camera (Table Top) - geni.us/FOSOn or howl.me/clacKmmiIpL
B Lens - geni.us/z0GG3y or howl.me/clacIJ2PzXk
On Camera monitor - geni.us/t7Fc or howl.me/clacMGXabwL
My off camera monitor - geni.us/AHOu or howl.me/clacNMVLO3E
The LUTS I used for this video - bit.ly/42Q58uQ
[AUDIO GEAR] (affiliate links)
Microphone (in shot) - geni.us/SAQ4uk7 or geni.us/PgtBlmS
Boom Microphone (out of shot) - geni.us/Tj8RI or howl.me/claeFm6CC9K
Cheaper alternative to boom mic (sounds just as good) - geni.us/0rN8FO or howl.me/claeF96KLvM
XLR Audio Recorder - geni.us/yDUf or geni.us/PgtBlmS
USB Audio Interface - geni.us/ZdN1a or howl.me/claeyKnGHYn
Wireless Microphone (out of studio) - geni.us/FPC4s or geni.us/j4Wdr
Podcast/Voice Over Mic - geni.us/SAQ4uk7 or geni.us/PgtBlmS
In Shot Mic Arm - geni.us/J7Fp or howl.me/claeHeGSgTP
Editing Headphones - geni.us/WmwFC or howl.me/claeI1mcuEm
Editing Speakers (super cheap but awesome) - geni.us/wfLkz or
Stand for Boom Mic and Overhead Camera - geni.us/8O8UtdY
[LIGHTING] (affiliate links)
Main Light (Key Light) - geni.us/nQQ10
Main Softbox - geni.us/GysBN or howl.me/claeZmiRVXD
Light Stand (for Key/Main light) - geni.us/y4HuK4R
Hair Light - geni.us/waB7lTp or howl.me/clae0ZXBNf6
Background Light - geni.us/xFjA or howl.me/clae13MRGt4
Light Tubes (behind my monitor) - Small - geni.us/5Lvl Large - geni.us/4QPjp
[COMPUTER AND EDITING] (affiliate links)
Monitor - geni.us/lLrTKSZ or howl.me/clae6ljgAjk
Computer - geni.us/rOHA or howl.me/clae7xrpHw1
Dock (one plug for power, audio, monitor, and 6 hard drives) - geni.us/lwJDmz
Keyboard - geni.us/bA16W or howl.me/clae8BToiuQ
Touchpad - geni.us/PLaLMh or howl.me/clae9zb8HB3
Editing Software I Use - www.apple.com/au/final-cut-pro/
Awesome Free Editing Software (Pros use it!) - www.blackmagicdesign.com/prod...
* Some links are affiliate links, you do not pay any extra, but I may get a small commissions. Using these links allows me to make more videos like this one.
00:00 - What is it?
00:53 - Why it’s so good (sample images)
02:33 - Where to get one
02:44 - Why 28mm?
03:38 - What Lens Mounts?
04:38 - Build and Handling
08:18 - Distortion
08:43 - Vignette
09:26 - Chromatic Aberration
09:53 - Lens Flare
10:13 - Minimum Focus and Close Up Images
10:59 - Sharpness and Bokeh
12:09 - Who is this lens for?
The best M-Mount lens deal of the century - Thypoch Simera 28mm f1.4. This high quality lens is compatible with Leica cameras, can be adapted to any other mirrorless camera, and offers incredible value for its price. It's an amazing bargain and the perfect addition to any camera kit. It also happens to be one of the very best lenses that I haver ever used, at any price-point.

Хобби

Опубликовано:

8 июл 2024

Ссылка:

Скачать:

Готовим ссылку...

Добавить в:

Мой плейлист

Посмотреть позже

Комментарии : 130

@markwiemels 5 месяцев назад

GET THE LENS HERE - howl.me/clrZdBQSj4d (the only place with stock now) ADAPTERS: Sony - geni.us/LptLV Canon RF - geni.us/dAZBr1 Canon EF-M - geni.us/sSJOm L Mount - geni.us/aA0ZfJ Fuji X - geni.us/tH8sG Nikon Z - geni.us/AdctOyt

@GeekyNerdyTechy 5 месяцев назад

Fantastic stuff, Mark - this lens looks great. Well done

@markwiemels 5 месяцев назад

Thanks. Yeah, it was a real surprise to me.

@Thypoch 5 месяцев назад

Sample shots are so incredible, Mark.😊

@markwiemels 5 месяцев назад

Thanks!

@K-ORA 4 месяца назад

Totally agree, great work!

@TheJ_G 5 месяцев назад

Oh wow. The 3d pop/subject separation of this lens is pretty awesome. Right from the first example shot.

@markwiemels 5 месяцев назад

I thought so too.

@jesuscrisis5086 Месяц назад

What i notice immediately as well

@jamescaldwell5 5 месяцев назад

Great review! You make me want to buy every lens!

@GooseCrack 5 месяцев назад

This thing is awesome, I already have a 23mm lens and noticed they have a 35mm version, tempting indeed.

@ikechadmedia3116 5 месяцев назад

Thank you for what was a great review as always. I purchased a viltrox lens for my M50. And it’s my favorite lens

@chaindrums 5 месяцев назад

It looks amazing!!

@szank 5 месяцев назад

The boheh has wowed me immediately, from the first scene onwards. Really has something special about it.

@markwiemels 5 месяцев назад

That's how I felt too. Even the stopped down images look amazing.

@pan6593 5 месяцев назад

The focal length is very interesting! It‘s only YT, but indeed it looks quite sharp.

@sneakingelephant 5 месяцев назад

That depth of field scale might be the most interesting way of showing DoF at a quick glance on any lens I’ve seen. I know for photographers who know their equipment well that they will remember the DoF but for folks putting in reps on a new lens it’s nice to have a QoL feature like that. Bravo!

@ofeykalakar1 5 месяцев назад

Inspired by the vintage Alpa Kern Switar 50mm from the 1950’s

@hughcrawford5 5 месяцев назад

Also the Switar lenses for Bolex 16mm cameras

@AndrejAndrejev 5 месяцев назад

Infinity lock is a super feature if you pair it with Techart autofocus adapter. Lens must be focused to infinity, so you need always check if it's there. With such feature you don't have to

@markwiemels 5 месяцев назад

Good tip!

@thomsonaustin6568 5 месяцев назад

@markwiemls can u suggest a budget lens for my zv e10 for sports vediography like basketball and soccer

@tokinotube 2 месяца назад

Thanks Mark, it's a lovely lens, but I found the color rendition of the lens is quite greyish looking, not vibrant. What do you think?

@andretim75 5 месяцев назад

It is for sure a good lense . But size-wise on the bigger side for some camera combinations in my opinion. ( would prefer the Voigtlander 28mm f2 ultron for sure ) Anyway -- thanks for the Video !

@bogdanspanu 4 месяца назад

I tried the link for Canon EF-M and it's not working for me .I am located in Canada so Amazon Canada or any other websites in Canada where I can find the adaptor (if any)

@marcp.1752 5 месяцев назад

I like the design, the silver one is more cute unorthodox'ly vs the black one. But i'd prefer the 35/1.4 Simera...albeit it's too huge, too big for my taste. The Voigtländer Ultron 35 F2 (II) is a very good lens, almost as good as a usual 35/2 'Cron, for a bargain price - and it's also smaller than the Leica 'Cron. I'd like to see the 35/1.4 into a smaller lens design, also with floating lens elements. One could see the new chinese "Thypoch" brand as the "high end" version of 7Artisan & TTArtisan lenses....

@akcine 5 месяцев назад

Very pretty, which camera (sensor) did you use for making the sample shots? I am curious.

@markwiemels 5 месяцев назад

S5II.

@sidvicious3129 5 месяцев назад

Great review. Have you ever tried the Zeiss Loxia line?

@markwiemels 5 месяцев назад

Thanks. No, I have not.

@Eric_DiRisio 4 месяца назад

Would you say its better than a Viltrox 27mm 1.2 on an XH2S? I just bought the Viltrox as my first ever $500+ "Pro" lens and waiting for it to arrive but this M mount lens I have to say has a ton of character for the price

@RustyNotesTV 5 месяцев назад

How would you rank this vs the Light Lens Lab 50mm f/2 "Speed Panchro II"? I'm on a Fujifilm X, and are looking for that "speed panchro" look on a budget. I guess the Light Lens would be a better option, BUT the these are cheaper. What do you think?

@markwiemels 5 месяцев назад

No experience with that one, sorry. I would just look at lots of samples out there and try to draw a conclusion from that. There may be some dedicated M shooters that have both too.

@philipau3847 5 месяцев назад

Problem with adapting M mount lenses to non-Leica mirrorless cameras is the thicker sensor stack results in less than optimal image quality especially in wider focal lengths. Center sharpness should be fine but you'll notice softer mid frame to edges vis-à-vis on a native Leica body.

@markwiemels 5 месяцев назад

Yes, I have had a few people mention that to me in the past. Maybe I'm just not picky enough, but I have not seen it as an issue, with the lenses I own.

@ArminHirmer 5 месяцев назад

now thats a sweet lens.

@user-vn1er5lz1d 5 месяцев назад

Hi Mark , 2nd lens test video of yours I have watched. May I make one suggestion. I had to start the video again to find out what this lens was .You would say is , the point is I'm English and when I watched the start of this again I heard the co. Is zyepod . I must be worse for 2nd or 3rd English speakers. I'm an old firm photographer trying to learn this computer business bit by bit. Some punctuation would also be helpful. So could you print up on the screen the full description of the product? I'm trying to be helpful here to you as well as myself. I liked the rest of it especially your photography. Best wishes, Jake E .

@nigerian-nightmare Месяц назад

Agreed. I had to click on the link to find out the lens he was reviewing. Already have my eyes on the lens. His review has pushed me over. I was hoping to find a used copy but none so far.

@ji-ming 5 месяцев назад

I was so astonished by the depth of field scale trick , my jaw literally dropped. I have to keep on eye on this brand now after seeing that, holy cow!

@markwiemels 5 месяцев назад

Yeah, it's pretty cool.

@SourPlanet 5 месяцев назад

The side by side comparisons with M10 vs Sony A7R done by Phillip Reeve show it responds kinda badly to the thicker Sony sensor stack once adapted. Which isn't uncommon, but definitely worth noting. I like the look of the lens for sure, and even the quirky design bits. I'm a liiiiittle unsure of the infinity lock. Looks a bit fiddly and I'm not sure how it works with the small variance of pure infinity location that comes with temperature shifts. Overalls.. seems like a great lens to slot in between TTartisans and Voigtlander 💪

@markwiemels 5 месяцев назад

Yes, I think a comparison video between the Voigtlander and this lens would be good to see.

@ofeykalakar1 5 месяцев назад

The infinity lock is solid as is the focus tab. What I don’t like about the tab is that it’s too close to the camera body when mounted and makes it difficult when it’s on an AF adapter like the Propronto on a Nikon camera. Other than that little quirk it has 14 beautiful rounded aperture blades and has an FLE and is super tiny for an f1.4 28 mm lens. A nice comparison would be with the new Voigtlander 28 f1.5 Nokton, also a super tiny lens with an all brass housing

@rhodesia1578 5 месяцев назад

Can you please attach the link for your adapter/ and would this lens fit a Canon M50mkii ?

@markwiemels 5 месяцев назад

Thanks for the suggestion. Just added to description.

@Renzsu 5 месяцев назад

Will be interesting to see how this compares to the soon to be released Voigtlander 28mm f/1.5 Nokton. I expect the Nokton to be a bit more expensive and probably more contrasty with less distortion, but they typically have quite strong vignetting.

@markwiemels 5 месяцев назад

I suspect this company is shooting for that same user/buyer. When the comparable Leica lens is almost 8k, there’s lots of room beneath that price point.

@Renzsu 5 месяцев назад

@@markwiemels I have a 28mm Elmarit-M ASPH. and even the Summicron was a non-option, let alone the Summilux :) Both of these lenses are very interesting, sadly the 7Artisans offering was way too soft (and large) for my liking. These two have the M system to themselves it seems.

@bradl2636 5 месяцев назад

I’m going to wait to see how the Voigtlander performs. I have about ten Voigtlander lenses in F, M and E mount and they are all great. I opted for the 40mm f1.2 in E mount because of the electronic coupling and auto focus peaking which of course the adapted M lenses don’t support on E mount. I’m thinking about the 65mm and 110mm Voigtlander E mount lenses for the same reason.

@johnkasianowicz6536 Месяц назад

@@RenzsuWas it the cost or sizes of the Summilux and Summicron 28 mm lenses that persuaded you to get the Elmarit? I have the Elmarit-M 28 and love it. I subsequently picked up a mint Summilux used, but the smaller Elmarit is used more often.

@Renzsu Месяц назад

@@johnkasianowicz6536 Cost was definitely the main factor, I would like to have the summicron, but I'm spending that much on another lens (already kind of did with the 50 summilux). I like it though, great compact lens.

@pioni2 5 месяцев назад

This looks interesting, but I'm worried about the viewfinder blockage. This is a 28mm after all, looks like the lens will block 1/3 of the view. :(

@lockederboss2528 4 месяца назад

great video, thank you very much! what ist the closest x mount lens to the thypoch in your opinion and experence? i am learning so much from you, thats just amazing!

@jesuscrisis5086 Месяц назад

Zeiss touit 32 1.8

@jasontaycs7195 18 дней назад

Voightlander 18mm f/2.8. That will give you a 28mm f/4.2 equivalent that is fully manual.

@ChrisMosner Месяц назад

Great review. Is there an adapter that will enable manual focus assist on the Nikon Zf?

@markwiemels Месяц назад

Yes it can be adapted to the Zf, nothing special is needed to access those features. That’s one of the great things about that camera. You just need an M to Z adapter.

@ChrisMosner Месяц назад

I appreciate your reply. I had been under the impression that the lens lacks electronic contacts and so would not be able to take advantage of the focus assist on the Zf. Now I will make the purchase. Thank you!

@markwiemels Месяц назад

@@ChrisMosner I think you are correct. I have the Zf but had yet to test this, I saw some review videos saying how good the camera will be, with those focus tools, for manual lenses. In testing it on my camera just now, it doesn't work. Just shows I need to test all of these things myself, the channel that said this is one of the biggest on RU-vid too. It looks like there may be some option of using electric adapters that trick the camera into thinking it has an electronic lens, but sure of all the details.

@eek0212 5 месяцев назад

Because Coshina also release very light 28mm recently (28mm Nokton) I wondering which one will be better with relatively similar price tag

@markwiemels 5 месяцев назад

Hopefully someone will do a comparison.

@dpfreedman 5 месяцев назад

Phillip Reeve in his first impressions look at the Simera lenses mentioned that the seemingly novel depth of field scale was actually introduced by Alpa in 1951.

@markwiemels 5 месяцев назад

oh, interesting!

@ofeykalakar1 5 месяцев назад

@@markwiemelsAlpa Kern Switar 50 f1.9

@sneakingelephant 5 месяцев назад

I’m not a fan of the infinity lock tbh. I get why they were added in the first place but as far as modern cameras go they are a bit annoying to deal with. I have 2 budget Leica lenses and one of them is the collapsible summicron. I love that lens but my only issue with it is that lock haha

@markwiemels 5 месяцев назад

I found this one pretty easy to get used to.

@bigboi36 2 месяца назад

impressive!

@Ozy_x 5 месяцев назад

its a great lens with a great lens design but to be honest i'd still opt for the laowa 28 f1.2 instead , the later comes in a wider aperture a lighter package and is designed for mirrorless systems so it come in multiple mounts and all in a similar price offering

@joeensley3912 4 месяца назад

Wow thanks no one is talking about the Laowa lens!

@Ozy_x 4 месяца назад

@@joeensley3912 am quite surprised myself, there's only few handy reviews of it I do own the lens and it's one of my best purchases

@streetphotography.globetro7744 5 месяцев назад

The rendering is impressive......cinematic look. My summilux 28 f1.4 unfortunately has a lot of chromatic aberration

@markwiemels 5 месяцев назад

Thanks for sharing, good to get that insight from someone with the comparable lens. Yes, I have been so impressed, especially at the price point.

@johnkasianowicz6536 Месяц назад

IMO, the silver version looks nicer than the black one. The steel rim at the front looks out of place on the black lens.

@bogdanspanu 4 месяца назад

hi, can you please let me know how can I use this Thypoch M mount lens on my Canon M6 mark II. Do I need a specific adaptor for Canon M6 mark II? and if so what model exactly. Thanks

@Muchtoobizy 4 месяца назад

You just need a Leica M to EOS R adapter. The one I use is made by Gabale. It is very slim and works great. It's simply called "Gabale M-R". I am sure there are other brands available too.

@AmorphousEcru 3 месяца назад

Canon M6 uses EOS M system. He would need a Leica M to EOS M adapter.

@joeensley3912 3 месяца назад

Has anyone posted a side by side comparison of the 28mm Leica Summilux vs 28mm Thypoch? I’ve noticed these Chinese lenses don’t sell for very much on the used market you’re more than likely losing over half the value selling later…wonder if it’s worth getting the Leica Summilux bc it doesn’t depreciate like these do

@user-kc7gd7ux6r 5 месяцев назад

hi，can you reconmend a E mount full frame 35mm manual lense? i have been having reoble lately finding the right one,🙂

@ofeykalakar1 5 месяцев назад

Voigtlander Nokton or APO

@markwiemels 5 месяцев назад

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-T2Qx2pdphFk.htmlsi=X9G9z6q9phG6nwZQ (for a budget option)

@zeissiez 5 месяцев назад

Love the low contrast of this lens, which give plenty of headroom for post processing in high contrast scenes

@mac3864 Месяц назад

Low contrats is not a virtue. It just means there are optic flaws like speherical abberation or flare

@zeissiez Месяц назад

@@mac3864 It depends on application. For high contrast scenes, I won’t want highlights and shadow to be over enhanced, so that I could recover with post processing. I have some other lenses if I want high contrast.

@zeissiez Месяц назад

@@mac3864 For example, I have the Fuji 10-24, very contrasty, and the Zeiss Touit 12 F2.8, less contrast, equal detailed. When I go out in bright light, I always bring the Touit, in less contrast situations, I bring the 10-24 for the versatility.

@victorychaptervlogs 5 месяцев назад

will it work for the canon m50

@markwiemels 5 месяцев назад

Yes, with the adapter listed in the description for Canon EF-M.

@mickeyreyes3189 5 месяцев назад

What a beautiful lens! I have to stop watching your vids, they trigger my G.A.S.! 😂 I just pre-ordered one.

@suyogmarlecha4466 5 месяцев назад

Same...I want to order this one too...but not available in India

@botbot3698 5 месяцев назад

You mentioned their parent company makes cinema lenses, what is their name?

@markwiemels 5 месяцев назад

I think it's Shenzhen Dongzheng Optical Technology Co, which make DZO Lenses.

@fechur 5 месяцев назад

bro i just got the 18 mm i cant afford another one but i want it really bad!!!

@davidjames6295 5 месяцев назад

Is this also good for a Sony APS 6700?

@trym2121 5 месяцев назад

Only if you want 42mm focal length. Just get sigma 30mm 1.4 for that purpose

@suyogmarlecha4466 5 месяцев назад

@@trym2121 Nope...the Sigma cannot render images like this one

@ikechadmedia3116 5 месяцев назад

Looks like viltrox is up to something 😊

@CuDerRaGer 4 месяца назад

I actually bought this today after watching the reviews for the last week.

@markwiemels 4 месяца назад

You will love it.

@suyogmarlecha4466 5 месяцев назад

Which camera was used to shoot the sample images?

@markwiemels 5 месяцев назад

S5II

@suyogmarlecha4466 5 месяцев назад

@@markwiemels Amazing...the footage looked like it was shot on Arri...How do you reckon it's rendition on a Fuji? I want to buy the lens right now, but cannot get it here in India. Btw, thank you for your reviews Mark. Love them. Bought the 7artisans 35mm T1.05 based on your review. Loving it.

@markwiemels 5 месяцев назад

@@suyogmarlecha4466 I think you could get a very similar look out of the Fuji. I used luts that match ARRI REC709, I put a link in the description, they have them for Fuji too.

@suyogmarlecha4466 5 месяцев назад

@@markwiemels Got it..I was sold within a second of that afternoon shot..it's incredibly difficult to get good colors in the afternoon.. outside...but that shot was next level

@CKYHALO 5 месяцев назад

What camera can use this lenses?

@markwiemels 5 месяцев назад

Any mirrorless

@bradl2636 5 месяцев назад

Most mirrorless cameras but you will need an adapter if not M mount.

@CKYHALO 5 месяцев назад

@@bradl2636 I just got the canon R50 so just learning this camera

@CKYHALO 5 месяцев назад

@@markwiemels thank you I just got the canon r50

@lluisviveschillida5750 5 месяцев назад

@@markwiemels GFX?

@sneakingelephant 5 месяцев назад

The reason for the infinity lock was because it made it easier to screw onto screw mount cameras(pre M-mount)

@markwiemels 5 месяцев назад

Thanks for the insight.

@u90vik 5 месяцев назад

Not sure about this. I was told by a serviceman that it is better to mount an LTM lens while it is at the minimal focus distance to prevent damage to the rangefinder lever.

@sneakingelephant 5 месяцев назад

@@u90vik oh interesting. I was going based off what I was told by a couple different folks. Maybe you are correct

@LIGHTHUNTER.D 4 месяца назад

Hint: it’s DZO

@moneyshotphoto 2 месяца назад

It’s too large for a everyday m Mount carry. It has quite a bit of finder blockage. That’s a big topic not to speak about for rangefinder shooters

@amedvedev 5 месяцев назад

IMHO its too clinical (correct, modern, digital) for Leica m style of photography. Rather for modern looking cinematography on modern hybrid camera 🤷‍♂

@tarpara 5 месяцев назад

What are “leica style images” ???

@markwiemels 5 месяцев назад

I was primarily referring to the way Leica lenses render detail, contrast, and out of focus areas. This lens has some similar optical deign features, which provides a similar style of image.

@thedarkslide 5 месяцев назад

3:38 Unfortunately, while the lens is rangefinder coupled, on an actual M rangefinder it seems to have focusing issues with the preview units they sent to content creators (like Samuel from Samuel Street Life). Also, the focus distance scale seems to be wrong. With Voigtlaender soon releasing a 28mm f1.5 I want to see how both lenses compare. I will very likely get one of the two.

@markwiemels 5 месяцев назад

I think they have made a number of improvements, in general, with what the learned from the 35mm. Hopefully we will know more once one the Leica shooters gets their hands on one.

@shuailuo8637 5 месяцев назад

He got a prototype one, prototype has problems

@thedarkslide 5 месяцев назад

@@shuailuo8637 Sure, I knew that. What we don't know yet if they fixed the problems. Until someone tries the production unit on a Leica M.

@jpm5205 5 месяцев назад

@thedarkslide you're peddling misinformation. The issue he experienced had nothing to do with the lens. Samuel from Street Life said he was using an m-mount adapter for a mirrorless camera that messed up the calibration of the lens. Once he realized it, used a different one - a close focus adapter that allows him to calibrate the infinity focus. After that, everything was spot on.

@thedarkslide 5 месяцев назад

@@jpm5205 Yes, that is what Samuel found out in his last video - prior to my comment repeating exactly the issue as Samuel was reporting it initially. So any misinformation is exactly as Samuel's first experience with the lens reported on his channel. Again: before anyone can or should decide to buy this lens for use on an M body, maybe wait until someone reviews it on an M body.

@privetgrisha 5 месяцев назад

Maybe this is Samyang?

@markwiemels 5 месяцев назад

DZO Optics, I think, return address on the box was the same.

@Clockeman 5 месяцев назад

I know it's not important but the way you're pronouncing bokeh is killing me. It sounds like Bokay...rhymes with Okay but the kay is a little clipped at the end. Japanese linguistics major... That's all. Love your videos, you're awesome. Sorry for the digression.

@markwiemels 5 месяцев назад

I internally pronounce it that way that it's said in english. There are lots of words we do this with, especially french words. If you order a filet, and use the french pronunciation, you would look pretty stilly, plus no one would know what you are talking about.