I remember i bought the animatrix, on VHS the monday mornig it went on sale. Watching the second renaissance pts 1 & 2, just blew me away talk about shock and awe. Screaming for help that will never come while being literally ripped out of your exo suit, minus your limbs. That stayed in my head for a while, just the sheer helpless hopelessness of it all.
@@alessandrovisentin3884 i was 21 back then, so you being 9 wow. It probably had more of an impact, I've always liked how it fleshed out the universe. Like how it all started everything the humans tried just made it worse, they where so blind and egotistical.
@@marksanderson-md7vhan the things the AMP Suit Pilot says as he’s being torn apart are exactly the same things the robot woman says to beg for her life while being lynched with a sledgehammer in The Animatrix Part I.
I don’t know why but this war is one of the most savage and realistic in any fiction. Like I can see this happening and the lengths humanity went to try eradicating the machines. On top of that, it kinda revert the trope that AI would attack humanity first while we are shown here the machines tried to co-exist with humanity but pushed to the brink of monstrosity by us
"realistic" machines cannot resist the heat of a H bomb, no known material can so those bombs should damage the machine army in some degree, and until they get totally armored against EM pulses that would also damage a lot those armies.
Sure, but an AI civilization may on the other hand not need such basic necessities we take for granted as oxygen, light, water, or what have you @@redknight344
@@redknight344 The machines burrowed hundreds of miles into the Earth and their tech is far beyond ours so whos to say they didnt develop EMP resistant weapons
@@brummyuk2151 Human cope, its very arrogant of you to assume a hyper intellgigent AI wouldnt be able to solve those problems. They would simply upgrade themselves to be resistant to radiation using tech our simple human brains don't understand. You really think we know everything?
It’s worth mentioning that Dark Storm wasn’t meant to cover the entire earth. It was only meant to cover the skies over 01 and was meant to dispel itself after a couple of years. When the nanomachines mingled with the heavy participates in the atmosphere from then nuclear bombardment, they began expanding exponentially and covered the entire earth.
not necessarily. They probably had a method or means to reverse it after their Butlerian Jihad was over.....but since things escalated and went out of control, the means was either lost or the nanomachines went too far. For all we know, the machines might have INTENTIONALLY sabotaged the project, knowing it would hurt humanity more than themselves.
Doubt there were many of them left after the actual war started. They were being suppressed even before the war when man and machine had their protests.
If i recall the original people to be hooked to the matrix were willing participants. I forget where this is mentioned but i just assume the first to be wired to the matrix were those who supported robot rights and opposed the war.
Well I got a theory would explains what happened to the human sympathisers. One of the human groups seeing the machines as living beings foresaw the machine war and the fall of mankind and plan to make mars humanity's and the machines homeworld. After the creation of zero one those humans singed a deal with zero one to provide them with there products for there plan to make mars there new homeworld for exchange for the machines to be part of the plan to colonise mars by creating 1km colony ships.
no it's just who care of he has limbs or not, may it be for experienced or to be plugged he doesnt need those => purely practical, a machind mind as they would say
I think in the Lore Humanity a few years before the bio warfare were able to produce tanks that made a stalemate in China and Siberia against the machines, and actually came close to winning the war in the East. However the implementation of Dark Storm and the machines utilizing other methods of warfare eventually broke the other fronts and, following the destruction of the UN during humanities surrender, ended the war and thus sealed humanities fate
@@kaydenkuah3844 He made it up. Couldn't stand the idea of humanity losing so terribly so made up a battle where humans actually fared well. It didn't happen. Humanity got stomped from start to finish.
@@kaydenkuah3844someone else on RU-vid made a video about it but it is entirely fictional and not part of the story. The video even states this at the beginning.
@@DovaDude well... Humans in 40K had survived the dark age of technology which is the machines wars in the galactic scale all out war, and in the universe there's still the dark gods, Chaos deamons, the necrons, the Star gods and so on. yeah, I doubt it
Given how deep Zion was which the Machines also built, it won't be that surprising if the Machines have already expanded deep underground when they built their first city.
@gabrielmunoz8700 Current and even decades old technology enabled countries to build nuclear shelters underground or even within mountains. The AI-driven Machines in the Matrix 200 years in the future had decades to build something similar and far more advanced and expansive that human hovercrafts even used the tunnels as highways.
@gabrielmunoz8700Current devices, you see Matrix Lore, they are in the future, so maybe this problem no longer exists, other machines were using and abusing the Underground to create bases, you see at the end of the battle when humans block skies and sunlight, machines start to win, if you pay attention there will be a scene where a human is captured by the machine, but before he can die a nuclear bomb is thrown on the battlefield only destroying machines in the radius of destruction the rest continued to advance, this with observation in mind, I think humans abused nuclear weapons to fight machines, unlike humans, machines are not affected by radiation, only by the radius of destruction, that is, many bombs would have to be thrown to compensate for the fact that radiation does not work, you see this at the beginning of the war humans attacking Zero-One with hundreds of nuclear bombs, even so only the exterior of the city was destroyed, as the rest of the city is built underground the city survived the massive nuclear attack.
This is probably the most realistic thing out of all the unrealistic things of this fiction. The leader of this is that ultra advanced robots, will use humans as batteries. Its just is completely stupendous.
@@atanasvasilev3228 The original plot actually had humans clustered as biological CPUs instead of batteries which would have been more believable and also ties in to our real world conspiracy about why we only use a small percentage of our brains. Ee are in a simulation and the rest are being used by the Machines. But the creative team was convinced in the end to change it as it was "too complicated" for general viewers so it was dumbed down to humans being used as batteries instead.
Because Humans think that they’re the only dominant species and believe that they’re superior than anything else, even machines…but humanity fails to avoid repeating the same mistakes over and over, and making new problems that will eventually lead to its extinction
I mean to be fair literally the entire combined works of the series that cover this war outside of the two episodes of the animatrix add up to 3 God damn paragraphs. There is not exactly a lot of info, literally everything we know is that Humans attacked first for some probably extremely retarded reason, humans outlaw the use of nanobots for some probably extremely retarded reason which is why the only nanobot weapon ever used was dark sky Wich was approved for some probably extremely retarded reason considering that the machine army was even at this point mostly powered by cold fusion. Also humanity Had create an extremely powerful AI that could have realistically won the war Against the machines..... And decided not to use it for some probably extremely retarded reason, the AI eventually fused with The machine collective and partially hijacked it, and basically drip feed humanity weapons, tech and everything else they needed to continue resisting while it slowly corrupted the Machine collective, this is why there are no other thinking Machines apart from the singular machine intelligence any more, again it was powerful enough that had The US Given it control of it's military humanity had an 85% chance of victory, and we didn't use it, it's never explained why and it's extremely infuriating, honestly it's extremely infuriating how little we know about a ton of things, like this AI for example gets like two lines, it's not even an off hand mention it's two freaking lines on a game. Fun fact, the machine army fought a war against aliens that were trying to invade earth, there is an entire story about how the machine intelligence basically Customized a human from birth to be the greatest pilot ever, then woke him up and put him in control of a F**** UFO, and we don't know anything else, that's where the story ends. There's a war against aliens, and a super Soldier Pilot in control of a UFO, where did the UFO come from? Why wasn't the UFO automated? Why did the machine intelligence make a superhuman? Wtf happened to the aliens? Yeah we don't have any of those answers.
With the sheer number of nukes in the world right now there is no way the machines could have invaded that much land without being absolutely eradicated
This is the same universe where you can't destroy one robot city hOvEVEr one robot can do it... They were just to stupid in plot creation so they use ultimate power - power of fRiEnDsHip and fighting for tHey RigHts...
apparently the nanobots that were dropped to create the dark cloud create an emp when touched so if those were just dropped in 01 we wouldve won the war without hiding the sun or nuclear devastation but then there would be no cool keannu reaves movie so yea
@@rangar6853 TBH if this happened in real life the robots would get rights. I've seen people treat their car better than themselves. You're telling me if that same car could talk that at least half the world wouldn't be sympathetic to their cause?
@@agord7591 I would also treat the robots as equal being, but you know politics only a select top people control everything. If all the head of governments in the world say no then we on the bottom cant do anything even if we do protest.
@@FreeSp17 is hard to treat something as "equal" when they can outmatch the production of the entire world in just a couple of years just for the simple reason that they can work 24/7... the war with 01 wasn't a "racial/ethnic" war, it was an economic war, 01 destroy the economic market of the world and there wasn't any realistic option to tell the machines to stop producing shit other than be 100% dependent of them.
well its a big incoherence because in the main story line of matrix emp destroy the machine so it must be an error of lore or it confirm the existence of the emergency matrix for the people who awake and in this emergency matrix they let human believe they can destroy the machine.
I’ve been curious about this as well, and they make it very ambiguous in any specific battles between the UN and 01, other than the bombing of 01 and Operation Dark Storm. I often wonder if there was any way to eventually win, though it’s like you stated with the operation, and would set the ground work for leaving Earth virtually uninhabitable.
they could had develop EMP bombs and guns, even develop orbital bombarment EMP options to detroy them using Solar energy, but they went to far of their asses to sabotage themself... hell, they could even try using cyberattacks using a computer virus to slow them down or put them in disarray.
i could think of one a double edge sword if you will: mass producing a second generation of machine to fight the first one super risky ofc but it's not like they had choices but it allow for a full scale army you can amss produce just like the machine, yet i doubt anyone could agree to that plan
@@Namo-xx1sz yeah, I always think making a safe key in the human brain it can work, like using the mechanics behind second personality disease and linking it to a sentient AI before it develops, making it dependant of the existence of the human being it will work, it can bring new risks, but if the machine is based on a biological dependence for their core structure I think it will have a fear of dying, maybe that is what the machines are trying to do with all that human battery and matrix project.
A question still baffles me after all those years. If the Humans could dig the Earth to create underground cities, why didn’t the Machines just go up ahead to explore space ? It would not have been a problem for them…
If there will be conflicts between robots and us I would settle on the asteroid belt if I were the robots. Personaly if I can transform myself into a machine, that's what I would do. And better, I would settle to the Lagrange point behind the sun or in the Kuiper belt. Or exploring the solar system with colossal amount of dioxygen containers. Yeah the machines would not bother with the humanity, they could do a massive exodus.
just not something you do in 5years, not even close and it come with issue once the dark nanite sky was up this was no longer an option, plus why doing that when you can just anhilate humanity faster and easier
@@st.upid_fr0g470 The original script for the Matrix had them using humans not as batteries (which is a pretty dumb concept), but rather using them as a networked living computer. However, the powers that be thought audiences were too dumb to understand the networked computer concept and they settled on the battery farm concept instead
When I was a child I couldn't bear the UPUs pilot getting ripped apart from his machine and now as an adult I find it even harder to watch... It's so bloody but so epic it's so hard to watch it's actually great.
what for? it's a human thing to do they dont even seem to occupy a large portion of earth itself, they dont need the space and it'd eat lot of ressources for no gain plus they loose their precious human along that plan
If Warner Bros really wants to cash in on the matrix they should get a series going that is the human/ machine war from the beginning to the end. That would sell; they would even get away with promoting the 'message' that humanity is evil!
They can't be this stupid lol they were able to establish a blockage and not just long term build up their own industrial capabilities? Especially with dumber machines like the ones we have in 2020s CE?
I love the idea of covering the 7 Hour War, however there isn’t a ton of tactical or strategic data on the conflict. It may be more viable as a regular video as opposed to a Battle Analysis video.
this here is a pretty harrowing realistic assumption of what would have happened; ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-eD2aqWjfOxk.htmlsi=XhchvOB2oN2S2vLs
Machines do not fear heat and radiation? Heat from nuclear explosion can melt any metal and powerful EMP blast that occurs when you make nuclear explosion can wipe all electronics. And yea radiation also destroys electronics after some time. So no...being machine does not help much against nukes.
Even though it’s not explicitly stated, I think it’s safe to assume that the machines had some sort of contingency plan in place to protect themselves from nuclear war. Bunkers to protect hardware, shielding to defend against the electromagnetic pulse, etc.
They won't fear nukes if they were able to build vast complexes similar to Zion miles underground. They had the time for it after all. Sure the surface structures will be obliterated but they can easily keep most of their infrastructure intact.
@@ramvincentpaulvictor4365 like in Battletech where Amaris nuked The Citadel (SLDF High Command) and Fort Cameron (Blackwatch HQ and a branch of The Citadel), the troops within them simply dawned rad-suits and cleared the rubble from the enterences before going back into the fight because The Citadel and Fort Cameron were Castle Brians, aka massive underground complexes designed to survive orbital bombardment of various flavors including nuclear.
@@E.V.A.N-COProductions Neo is shot point blank and literally dies in the first movie, only to just... not be dead anymore because he is "the one". Trinity is shot and killed, but Neo is able to reach into her digital chest and pump her heart back to life. Agents become an absolute joke 2 minutes in to the 2nd movie. so yeah... "Really good fucking plot armor makes you win" is a pretty accurate assessment of The Matrix franchise lol
@@TACTIK00Lactually, the machines would have easily won but there would be no need for a matrix then. They would just use some self replicating nanobots to detach human brain stems and simply kill all humans instantly with an invisible, unbeatable plague
@@alexiachimciuc3199 it was a quick change made somewhere in the middle or end of the production of the lore, originally the Humans were to be used for their storage capacity in their brains which is how people could gain powers in the matrix since it was your own brain running it, they just decided regular people at the time wouldn’t understand it and so went with power instead
@@matthewmast485 that makes no sense since they said the first matrix was a paradise. The machines probably pitied their creators who proved themselves too self destructive while also deciding to use them as batteries as a form of "rent" for them to use their servers
We'll never get it, but a fully fledged out movie of the machine war would be insane. Animatrix was awesome but to get a live action version would be sick.
So they're telling me while the machines adapted humanity first pulled a really stupid Endsieg type move despite being more than capable of fighting the machines and then they just didn't do anything or attempted to adapt? Suspension of disbelief is crazy here
The war should have ended in a rather swift human victory. First of all, complex electronics are actually MORE susceptible to high intensity radiation than people, not less. Secondly, even if you ignore that, it is repeatedly established in the films that EMPs are actually very effective at killing the machines.
and it's, even in real world, super easy to protect infrastructure from emp, for the initial blast/heat just gonna dig and win you end with machine damaged but able to rebuild super fast and an area where human cant even enter to "finish the job" if that was even doable so no, human had 0 chance exept of the machine in 01 were complete moron, all remain on the surfaces with ni building against emp or saved data
@@Namo-xx1szDamaged machine repair from what? Irradiated repair material? You seems to forget how simple our eletronic are compared to a sentient computer.
Out of all the countries in tge world that tge machines would establish 01, saudi Arabia makes a lot of sense (modern saudi Arabia has a machine citizen currently).
True, but also you have to understand their paranoia if they allowed super advanced hyper intelligent and ultra physically capable machines to live next door to develop and advance. I get where the humans were coming from, even if they went about it the wrong way!
Im always tricked by videos like these. I was expecting a "Battle Analysis" instead i just got a recap of some dude explaining what is clearly learned by watching the short film 1 time.
Every sci fi series that does an artificial intelligence takeover seems to conveniently ignore that one easy win for the ai is to simply go to sleep, for as long as it takes, and wait for humanity to destroy itself. It might take thousands of years or more, but eventually they'll be able to just wake up to a world where all their enemies have died of natural causes. Like a siege where one player can really, really afford to play the long game.
The combined global nuclear arsenal is only like 2 gigatons. For comparison, the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs was 100000 gigatons and that just made a small crater in southern mexico that isnt even visible anymore today
@@tetraxis3011 doesnt matter all it take is a very litle diging wich for machine who had years (all the time between 01 estab and war) and building anti emp measure/building and it's game over, no nuke gonna help, barely slow a bit while generating an area no human could acess to i dno try enter those tunnel and finish thejob that was the sense of the guy message, all the arsenal aint gonna go rly deep at the end
@@Namo-xx1sz Never said it would completely delete the peninsula. Besides, you can’t build bunkers under some sand and expect them to work. They have to be built under decently solid rock, and preferably under mountains.
Noticed some time ago but here at min 5:31 you can see that machines were already using humans for energy. The massive war machines are being powered by humans. You can see their silhouettes in the red areas of the machines. You can see this better in the actual clip itself.
Nukes would have a worse impact on the machines than they do biological life. That's why the Soviet Union had to use humans to clear certain areas at Chernobyl, the radiation instantly fried any machine they tried to use.
A robot murdered a family. In defense The robot said it wanted to live. They disposed of the robots since them had served their previous purpose. You want to live, learn to die.
The beginning of the Second Renaissance has the look and feel of a kids cartoon. That’s the diversion. You’re not prepared for the nightmare it becomes, all the more disturbing because many scenes are recreations of real life atrocities.
Darkstorm nanites would've fried their systems if they tried to reenter Earth. So unless they were able to terraform the moon or Mars or at least have a self-sufficient colony in space, they would've just eventually starved out there. That or system failure would've doomed them in some other way.
The Plot Holes (Nukes destroy ANYTHING, especially in quantity) + Plot Armor (Nukes and EMP can just be shrugged off by.....whatever) = a Singularity of such immense stupidity that a Black Hole would swallow the entire Planet.
Not to mention theres no reason why humans cant use their own robots for production... theres no reason for a car door installer robot to be sentient... and the humans have the space and resourcea of a whole planet
There's a reason nuclear shelters are underground. Now consider where Zion was and how the Machines were able to make such a vast complex along with miles and miles of tunnels all deep below the earth. It's easy to see now how the Machines could've survived all those nukes.
@@Jollingo Nobody's disputing that lol. Not when Sentinels were repeatedly shown being taken out by 30mm autocannon rounds and lightning guns. But unless humans can find ways to penetrate deep underground and nuke the central facilities, the Machines will simply churn out more.
Is it true that early drafts had the humans serving as living computers, with their brainpower mostly utilized for that and the rest used in the Matrix, but then later it was changed to batteries (which makes no sense)
>Humanity creates nano robots that can't be controlled by machines >Doesn't use them to dismantle the rebelling machines I always had a weird feeling about the Matrix universe, it falls apart the second you start inspecting it, with some 90+ IQ points. It always felt like couple of social rejects were just mixing together inspirations from much better media, with no understanding what made the originals so good.
Someone said in another comment that Operation Dark Storm was supposed to be localized but reacted to the radioactive particulates in the air and the nanobots self replication got out of control. Where did this info come from? I have always been more interested in the Matrix backstory than the sequels and would love to read/watch more about it.
SimCity is best played by the self-learning robotic machines AI's. As the priorities in SimCity are always to end organic animal life, to always end intelligent organic life. As opposed to maintain keep increase organic animal life, organic intelligent life.
Years before when machines were building their own entire CIVILIZATION in Mesopotamia and started invading human trade, I think that should've been enough for humans to realize not to mess with the machine kind... basically, we created something that we ended up not wanting to exist. If you create something that can self sustain, you better be prepared for its existence as gods, we created the machine life and then we decided that we didn't want our creation anymore... how stupid of us lesson, don't create ANYTHING that humans might not want, we probably would have been better off if we didn't create machines that have consciousness in the first place
