@@ItWasAShtShow this is gonna hurt, but its your name, hearing your favorite movie " Was A Sh*t Show" just makes it a bit offputting to click on. Just constructive feedback.
@@chesirefulify I get the sentiment, but I already weighed the pros and cons of that 3 years ago. Kinda moot now, because the channel seems to be lifting off. But like Rosenberg says, its the MAKING of.
Yeah, RDJ only went from addiction and a risk to making 75 mil in total for playing Iron Man. if its a sh*t show - Get some damn toilet paper. It was a brilliant comeback with a B grade character from the comics. MCU is a SHIT SHOW now. What "stans" ... it was a great story about a guy who turned his career around - Iron Man literally saved the dudes life.
@@SuperOmnicronsj44 The tag line comes from the production difficulties, and video shows that, yeah, there was a lot of points where stuff could have collapsed. If RDJ relapsed hard, if their improvisations had failed, if any of the execs got cold feet, if they used the Mandarin right from the start... Especially the part where there was essentially no script, considering the complexity of the model and CG effects. Plenty of failed movies burned 10s of millions on sequences that were unsalvageable. And when you consider how interconnected the movies became, bad decisions on one movie affect the others lined up for production. See the nightmare that was the Rise of Skywalker's production for a recent, painful example.
Sam Jackson wasn't fan-casting; years before, Marvel asked him if they could change Fury's likeness to him. He said yes. It wasn't an accident Fury has looked like Samuel L Jackson for so long.
its fan casting since the person who drew the black nick fury said he had Sam Jackson in mind in an interview, and then sam said it was ok. someone else made a video on that.
In an interview Sam Jackson says he phones them "like you can't just use my image!!", they countered with "what you read/like this wow!" & "and when we make the film there's a part for you..." & he was like ok sounds cool. Although I suppose it depends if the artist is considered a fan of Sam Jackson lol
@@blackleague212 That is the dumbest argument that it was fan casting. How is it fan casting when it happened in 2002 with Ultimates, years before before Iron Man was greenlit and was even going to have Nick Fury in it?
I know, that got me too. People can say what they will about Stan, but Stan Lee was always the face of Marvel Comics, and readers back in the day know that something like this was something he always wanted. I’m honestly glad he got to see it happen.
Everyone I know when Iron Man was announced, first question was...'Who the hell are they going to get to play Tony Stark?" Then when RDJ was mentioned, everyone cocked their heads to the side and said.."Nailed it in one. When can we get tickets." There was no discussion as to anyone else or any one more suited, RDJ was Tony Stark and we all knew it, the parallels were just too obvious and many.
I guess Kiss kiss Bang Bang and Charlie Bartlett showed you enough of RDJ's acting chops to know he could pull of the narcissistic, alcoholic, billionaire that you had come to know in the comics. Because the character changed a lot from page to screen... :l
Iron Man itself isn't the most deeply written character in MCU. But RDJ's acting made it that way. Classic case of an actor surpassing the effort and talent for a certain character. While Chris Evans did justice to Steve Rogers' character(who imo is the best written character in mcu) and played him perfectly, RDJ played Tony Stark beyond perfectly.
I remember seeing Iron Man for the first time and how blown away I was by the “I am Iron Man” stinger. I felt like it was the start of something huge, and I wasn’t even fully aware that they had plans for such an expansive cinematic universe. Such a BA way to end a film and set things up moving forward!
Quick thing about Sam Jackson as Nick Fury, the first artist to draw the character as black literally traced an image of Sam Jackson. There’s other instances of them doing the same thing as well. Anyways, Sam’s legal team negotiated that they wouldn’t sue so long as he was cast in any film that featured Nick Fury.
Other than RDJ, I seriously can't thank Jon Favreau enough for giving us the start of what we have today. Also his portrayal of Happy is like a comfort character to us now that Tony is gone, hope to see more of him whoem remains from start in more future films!
Yeah I'd say he's actually the main reason, guy knows what he's doing, how to respect what came before, the lore, the character, the world of Marvel. Notice he also made the best of Disney Star Wars, unlike JJ and KK utter shite.
More credit (and props) need to be given to Marvel's ACTUAL first hit (modest or not) Blade. It's mentioned here, but seems a little glossed over. Blade being their first ever success was a really big deal for there even being a future for Marvel studios. And also being the first superhero film giving that true 'street-level', brutally realistic grounded tone that later became the norm for superhero properties. Really excellent rundown of all these events though! Just at the beginning of binging this channel!
I get that I'm getting old and a lot of people weren't around for how big Blade was. I mean now we just Google box offices and say yea that movie didn't make as much as the other so it must've been bigger but nah. I don't know a household that didn't have Blade on VHS or DVD. They don't realize the beating Schumacher's Batman movies put on superhero movie goodwill with general audiences. I say without Blade we don't get not only the MCU, we don't get Nolan's Batman either. People always point to Spiderman or The X-Men as precursors to the MCU but nooooooo. The starting point was definitely Blade.
Blade had a budget of 45m and made 131m at the box office, I agree not only was it the best Marvel movie made pre-2000 it remains one of my favourites. EDIT without Blade there would have been no Spider-Man, they only made it because of how well Blade did. Following that was the X-Men franchise, but first was Blade. Well spotted OP, I never thought so this
I remember talking about how RDJ was cast as Iron Man, and then seeing the first Iron Man and being so hyped by the end credits scene. Me and my dad used to go see every MCU movie at midnight and I miss it so much. I still call or text him every time I watch a new Marvel movie to talk about it with him. I love you dad!
When I was a kid, I remember watching the Iron Man cartoon of the 90's. I would always think to myself, that hopefully one day they make a real life version of the cartoon. In 2007 when it got revealed that they were making a life action movie, it was one of the happiest days of my life. Iron Man will always be my #1 MCU movie.
Oh man, I have fond memories of this one. My dad is and always was a huge comic book nerd and when they announced RDJ as Tony Stark he was like "It would only make sense!". I didn't know much about the character but we went to see the movie anyway. Needless to say, we absolutely loved it. I gotta admit that not hearing the Black Sabbath song during the movie kinda bummed me out a little bit, until the iconic final line by Tony Stark immediately followed by the much awaited song. And then Samuel L. Jackson appeared, teased the Avengers and my dad was completely astonished. Good times.
Funny you should say that. The original Sh*t Show pilot episode in 2018 was about Justice League. Then we discussed it for THREE episodes on the podcast. Check out the Playlist section.
Simple: this channel has a very stupid title. Although WE all know what a shit show is, there are thousands who are offended by it. Very bad CONSCIOUS mistake.
What’s more impressive.. more than anything.. is that not only have these films shaken the film industry to the core, not only have these films made a permanent mark on human social norms, but they have also inspired human creativity with technology. You see youtubers/entrepreneurs like Hacksmith and Gravity taking concepts from Iron Man and trying to make them a reality. It’s without a doubt that technology is starting to make somewhat of a different turn with these films in mind.
It amazes me there are videos with the exact same care and production quality as massive channels that have less than 0.0001% of the subscribers of comparative channels. The RU-vid algorithm is broken. They just reinvented the 1% in the content distribution economy and patted themselves on the back. Meanwhile channels like this produce great content, work hard and don't reap the rewards. It's incredible that the same dynamics of unequal wealth distribution emerge so readily in a designed attention economy. RU-vid has the capacity to build a fair algorithm, but they choose not to.
I’m so glad I found this channel, I love this series you guys are doing. Definitely a sub earned. Man Marvel really climbed up from the trenches and now have the backing of Disney, DC never faced that adversity and they dropped the ball so hard, by not following up on the Dark Knight Trilogy, that they are imo losing the live action “war” between the two comic book franchises. Of course I don’t think it’s a pepsi coke rivalry because I think both have contributed to the genre and can coexist with different release dates easily.
Witnessing how Marvel movies all came together from the beginning, it feels like somethings are just meant to be. All those years of financial problems to selling characters to different companies but now everything just all came along. It is surreal.
As im viewing this, i realize only 60,000 views, and 2500 likes?!?! This should have half a million or more.....awesome quality, very entertaining. Exelent work sir
Great teaser at the end. I think things might be finally "going down" because of the struggling movie theater business. Marvel has opportunities to expand away from movies if this trend continues, but will it survive the transformation?
Gee i dont know , kill off popular heroes and front load identity driven characters that sh*t all over fans through twitter and directors that kill our canon ... ya think it will survive the transformation? Dr Strange MoM is already a 79% on RT
@@BlueTyphoon2017 cant wait for the the first R Rated MCU project and i dont mean Deadpool bc that started under Fox. Something like Ghost Rider directed by Sam Raimi with the Actor from Agents of Shield. Or something like Peacemaker and Titans
One thing Marvel Studios get right is the amount of respect to the characters down right to costume. Look at Black Bolt. TV show Black Bolt, they made it modern or seamless style like Singer's X-men, with jacket. Dr. Strange MoM, use the design straight from the comic book. The mask, his head gear and even had the wings
I'll never forget going to watch Ironman in the movies then as the end credits rolled I went to the bathroom and when I came back my friend told me I missed Nick Fury announcing The Avengers. I have never left a Marvel movie before the credits rolled since.
I enjoyed your story, but there's a huge part you missed out on. The Tech, particularly Zbrush from Pixologic. Zbrush wasn't originally meant to be used for modeling, but some scripts developed by users changed that. This all happened between 2005 and 2008. The idea of digital sculpting, rather than the clunky polygon blocks and new chips and lighting systems all converged about the same time. It was really amazing.
Its hard to believe you don't have more subscribers! Your docs are absolutely wonderful! All of them give incredible insight to the difficulties of movie making. Thank you for so much for this channel! Keep up the good work!
Rewatch! Saw three episodes and I'm loving this series so far. Reminds me of the Netflix series The Movies That Made Us. Also I believe the man under the wings playing Captain America in that movie is the son of JD Salinger.
The joy stan lee had when he was talking to Tony stark (not rdj) is every writers DREAM it was like he had a time stone and he wrote everything for HIM
Another absolute banger of a video. still super impressed by the editing, narration, and general flow of the video. you and what seems to be your team absolutely deserve more love. It's only a matter of time. Keep up the good work! I'm hoping this is another channel I can say that I watched from before the glow up. (Honestly I think Charlie (aka Moist aka Penguinz0) would eat your content up.) Cheers.
Stumbled across your channel and can't stop binge watching. Everything about your videos is spot on: production values, editing, narration style, just very very well done. Oh, and subscribed of course. :D
@@ItWasAShtShow that's exactly what he said. My brother also went with me to comic book stores sometimes and he knows nothing about comics. Feige said he collected toys, like Arad's Toy Biz, and that he read the bios on the back.
If television history is any tale to the future MCU will be able to milk this trend / beat a dead horse for quite a while (Walking Dead anyone?). I doubt they are going back to bankruptcy anytime soon.
Awesome episode. I've had your channel recommended to me several times before but only gave it a chance today. I'm impressed by the production value and effort on research and presentation. Keep up the good work!
10 seconds in, you say Marvel "....made some movies over the years, of VARYING quality." Ummmmmmm.........Marvel didn't make any of those movies. Sony and Fox, respectively, owned the cinematic rights to those characters, not Marvel. Granted, not everything Marvel Studios has done has been a grand slam. But don't blame Marvel for other studios' fuck ups!
I'll never forget the dogfight between Iron Man and the Raptors ... top-notch CGI! It's almost 2023 and I find it hard to totally believe that 14 years have passed by since it was screened at Odeon Leicester Square.
Seing the MCU now compared to the "Old" MCU shows that the "golden age" of it passed. With introduction of multiverse everything starts to go downhill. Multiverse is nothing else but a way to excuse lazy writing and lack of continuity. You can have a film with reaaaaly hard hitting ending like Infinity war (the "Empire strikes back" of this generation i would say) just to have it completely wiped in End Game. Since then, no stakes seem high. There is no feeling of urgency or "oh shiet the baddie X is behind all of this". Because you can do anything and the next film can go "HAHA ITS MULTIVERSE! NOTHING IN THE LAST PART REALLY HAPPENED". Couple that with shows like Loki, which turned one of the most recognisable villains into a side-kick in his own story, or the "Eternals" that "decided not to intervene because" and it all falls apart. Remember when Iron Man had more and more pronounced PTSD symptoms from movie to movie, as he continued to go deeper and deeper into really screwed up situations? Or a sense of guilt when Captain America realised he could have saved bucky and spare him torment of being Winter Soldier? Or the fact that people around the world were actually horrified by the outcome of alien invasion and what happened during Ultrons rebellion? To the point they wanted to literally ban the superheroes alltogether due to how much of a collateral damage they cause? There will be none of that in coming years. As each movie can wipe out everything that happened previously. This, and B and C level of superheroes coming in, due to main actors finishing their contracts and walking off.
As a Ling time Iron Man fan, i saw RDJ casting as perfect. Quick wit, good Looks and a great actor. He is Tony Stark. I remember my non comic fans freinds saying that it would go no-pkace... (Thise same people poo-pood the Sam Raimi Spiderman films before they came out). I still Love to mention how wrong they were and are when they try to make negative comments about the MCU in general. I knew that we the Nerds and geeks are the majority. We want the movie adaptatiins to be serious and groundes. But still fantastic and cool.
Well, the days of half-assed adaptations were suspended, anyway. Fantastic video though. I spent the morning texting links to your videos to my friends.
Despite all the nonsense haters that can’t handle girl heroes and gay characters…..I am still a die hard MCU fan…and a Kevin Feige fan. Seeing a universe come together and keep going! Truly a sight to behold!
@@swrennie Very true about the thesis, I stand corrected. But it is just to tell you what the video will about. An attention grabber. What I mean, it's less me making some statement, and just telling film history.
Its so misleading to claim "few had heard of Iron Man". He was no Spider-man, but his consistent presence in cartoons, crossover comics and video games meant he was a known entity. Its not like they built the MCU off El Meurto or anything.
Not misleading at all. Your examples are all ingrained in geek culture. Movies need to have a broader audience, and to them, he was an unknown. You can find multiple comments in this thread alone of people saying they never heard of him before the film.
@@ItWasAShtShow I would argue saturday morning cartoons and merch means it escapes the "niche geek culture" and enters the general cultural zeitgeist. We all watched those cartoons as kids and saw the toys, from that alone people recognised Iron Man - even if they were completely oblivious to his story or villains. Wasn't like they started the MCU with Xmen, but its also not like they started with Moon Knight or Morbius.