The Manchus: Where Did They Come From?

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During the Qing dynasty, the Manchus ruled China from 1644 to 1911. The Manchus were not ethnically Chinese. Where did the Manchus come from?
KEYWORDS
Banner System
Canton System
“Centralized Minimalism”
Civil Service Examination
Confucianism
Ligdan Khan/Zunghar Mongols
Lineage Societies
Manchu/Jurchen
Mandate of Heaven
Ming Dynasty
New World Crops and Silver
Pax Manjurica
Qing Dynasty
Qing military campaigns into Eurasia
Qing subjugation of South China
“Response to the West” Thesis
Secret Societies
TIMELINES
Periods
1271-1368 Yuan (Mongol) Dynasty
1368-1644 Ming Dynasty
1644-1911 Qing Dynasty
Events
1616 Nurhaci founds “Jin” [金] dynasty
1629 Manchus begin military campaigns against Ming
1636 Manchus change dynastic name to “Qing” [清]
c.1644 Population is 100,000,000 (est.)
1645 Qing issues headshaving edict
1683 Qing completes conquest of south/Ming Loyalists
1690s-c.1800 Qing Eurasian campaigns
1780-1831 Population of England doubles
c.1800 Estimated 1,500 county-level officials oversee 300,000,000 subjects
1839-1842 First Opium War
1842 Treaty of Nanjing (Nanking)
1850-1864 Taiping Rebellion
1856-1860 Second Opium War
1858 Treaty of Tianjin
1861 American Civil War begins
1861 British support Qing against Taiping
1861-1895 Self-Strengthening Movement
1864 Qing suppresses Taiping rebellion

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@wanyanajige1864 2 года назад

When I heard you talk about Aisin Gioro I was very happy. Me and then originally from the same tribe. There are many Gioro like Irgen Gioro, Susu Gioro. Thank you for this.

@kumosi9437 Год назад

Where u from? Irgen means Citizen in Mongolian

@nanangferwandytjoegito6153 Год назад

OOO.....we are from Han Tribe from China so always battle with your Tribe .😭😭😭

@TheGalaxyRunner 7 месяцев назад

@@kumosi9437that’s my family name lmao

@kurtreyhans7441 4 года назад

nice and very informative video! please keep making videos😁

@ModernChina 4 года назад

Thank you for this kind note!

@diarmaiddillon1568 10 месяцев назад

This channel is simply excellent...加油昂

@never4ever386 4 месяца назад

No, the Jurchen formed the Jin Dynasty 金國/朝 1115-1234. Their decedents, the Manchus initially established their dynasty as the Later Jin 後金國 but then changed it to the Qing 清.

@mr.pointman1930 26 дней назад

And also success the Northern Yuan by marrying Genghis Khan brother, Qasar descendants to their royal bloodline to become Qing Empress. So, it Manchu Mongol alliance as one.

@hokkiengospel 2 года назад

It's not JER-TCHEN.... it is pronounced as NYIUR xxHEN

@UbermanNullist 2 года назад

Jurchen and Joseon (Korea) have similar names because they come from the same root. It means people from the ancient country jušen. When the Joseon Dynasty was founded, Jurchen helped the first king, Seong-gye Lee, and was also a founding member. Meanwhile, Korea is also a member of Mongolia. Hankook韓國(Korea) literally means "Khan State". Han is a dialect of Khan. Likewise, the Han River in Seoul is a change from the Khan River.

@Gagura-g6x Год назад

Dude South Korea was called 朝鲜 until 1948, 韩国 was named after 三韩, Jurchen, or our Manchu ancestors has nothing to do with Korea

@UbermanNullist Год назад

@@Gagura-g6x You claim without evidence. There are 24 official history books in China. Read 欽定滿洲源流考 and 金史. This book was written by Emperor Qing himself. He wrote that Jurchen's origins and his family came from Silla. I can cite more detailed text and show you if you want.

@Gagura-g6x Год назад

@@UbermanNullist in 钦定满洲源流考卷一 the word the author for Silla is 臣仆-servant, not one of their tribe or clan, if ur evidence is based on Hanpu, the book said he used to live in Goryeo but it doesn’t mean he is Korean, Hanpu is Mohe people and their language is considered as Tungusic languages

@Gagura-g6x Год назад

@@UbermanNullist and why u don’t talk about the “Khan state theory” anymore?

@UbermanNullist Год назад

@@Gagura-g6x Korean is a Tungusic language. The king of Silla was called Khan. Emperor Qing called himself the Great Khan. The Chinese cannot use the Khan title. And according to 钦定满洲源流考卷, the Qing emperor emphasizes that Jurchen was not Chinese, so please explain why you say Jurchen wass Chinese. I would like to know the basis for your claim.

@Goodwind88 Год назад

Theres no more people who learned Manchu as a first language apart from a handful of tribesmen, sad.

@jugdertemuujin4014 3 года назад

Yes it’s true they conquered China twice but they lost they ethnicity and language by assimilation now they are just hun chinese proper and manchu or jurchen tungus is only in museums! They got wished for ......

@manchuqing4560 3 года назад

In the Qing Dynasty, they could still speak Manchu, but now they can't.

@cerealkellah3947 2 года назад

haha classic mongolian. They say you can't be a true mongol without hating on the manchus once in a while

@山川川山 2 года назад

Mandarin is their left over

@Dancingleaf243 2 года назад

Except that is not entirely true. Most Manchu still identify as Manchu and have Manchurian last names. It’s just they don’t really speak the language anymore.

@Ajclz 2 года назад

Side effect of conquering the Han masses = being swallowed by them.

@hishot1078 2 года назад

Per Qing, Jin meant Kim of Silla.

@tendybear4899 Год назад

As manchurian I Love china Musei chungkuo, Ah hundo sabsahatara yabuki nu gerhen hameshikara musei manju, musei chungkuo

@marioplayer1410 6 месяцев назад

"As Manchurian" You are Chinese. Stop the larp of some foreign identity.

@fiyangga.yanggiri-hala 5 месяцев назад

No. Real manchus love manchuria only. Manju gurun tumen se !

@ViktorLi0621 10 дней назад

Manchurian, Korean, Japanese. we are family.

@TheGalaxyRunner 7 месяцев назад

Man I feel like we are popolar. Han Chinese wanna claim relations to us. Koreans wanna claim relations to us. Mongolians and Japanese are quiet about this. But honestly I feel like Manchurian culture is like an inbetween of Chinese Korean and Mongolian. But historically, was originally closer to Korean, then Mongolian, and in modern days to the Chinese

@marioplayer1410 6 месяцев назад

1. You are genetically indistinguishable from Northeastern Chinese. There is no genetic Manchu. You are as close to each other as North Koreans are to South Koreans. If you created a society filled with Manchu people, you would take in 100+ million Chinese people. 2. Koreans are genetically the most similar to Manchu besides the Northeastern Chinese. You also look like them. 3. Mongolians and Japanese have no claim to you because they genuinely have zero claim. 4. Your history skills is extremely stupid. You are heavily tied with all of East Asia. Genetically, you are closest to Northeastern Chinese.

@salvatorenostrade3331 6 месяцев назад

No, we were always a loose confederation of tribes prior to unification and the Manchu of the Qing were reportedly not the same as the Jurchen / Manchu of the Jin. In reality we are an amalgamation of many East Asians but we are most definitely descended from North Eastern Russian steppe herders rather than Mongols, Koreans, or Chinese. Then again, there is talk of potential Turkic legacy too as all nomads in East Asia are loosely connected to one another. We've also interbred with Chinese A LOT historically I would not be surprised to see that most Jurchens even during Jin were not purely Jurchen rather Han and Jurchen mixes. We also intermingled with Mongols when they subjugated the Jin, but our history with para-mongolic entities is dubious and bloody at best due to our hatred for one another.

@salvatorenostrade3331 6 месяцев назад

The reason why many Koreans especially South Koreans want to claim our legacy is due to Goguryeo and the alliance they shared with our ancestors the Mohe. They've always viewed us as barbarians so I am unsure why they wish to claim Manchus as Korean. Especially when almost all modern Koreans came from the southern most Kingdom which was able to squash the others. Silla, so the only people in Korea with Manchu blood would be North Koreans ironically. Either way, we are not Korean and will never be so I find the debate pointless.

@marioplayer1410 6 месяцев назад

@@salvatorenostrade3331 Again, I need sources. Maybe go to the ruins of ancient Manchu and go dig up their bodies for genetic testing. Many Manchu had their DNA tested and they found they are significantly closer to Han Chinese than Tungusic groups. Is Manchu DNA really so weak that they fizzle out in a mere hundreds years and we need a microscope to look for this Manchu DNA? Of course not! They are so hard to pin-point because they are Chinese mate! Koreans are genetically distinct from Chinese despite them directly coming from the West Liao River, but we need a microscope to locate Manchu DNA!

@marioplayer1410 6 месяцев назад

@@salvatorenostrade3331 I don't really care about Korean history. I only care for their genetics. Genetically speaking, based on autosomal distances, it seems that the Manchu are near indistinguishable from Northeastern Chinese. For Koreans, they are the closest to Manchu. Again, I need studies. If these results offend you, I don't really care! I despise people who talk like this. "We are originally from many confederacies." "Uh, actually we have Jomon ancestry." "We came from Goguryeo genetically with a bit of Silla DNA and tungusic." It's all meaningless. Give me a study.

@뽀뽀함하자잉 Год назад

Han Chineses said loudly "反清復明". 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Kick "Qing Dynasty" out and return "Ming Dynasty" What the fuckin hilarious history! It's like Spain kingdom is one of Phillipinese history

@이종희-z4g Год назад

before jin, jurchen trives belonged to goguryeo and goryeo(balhae) so jin and later jin claimed they succeed goguryeo of course, their claim was ignored because of korea. And after they become stronger than korea, they didn't but, like both korea and manchu serve Mt.Baekdu(šanggiyan alin) and there're many borrowings from korea in tunguse word, there are many similiar thing between us.

@alexhu5491 Год назад

I'm Manchu, I'm Chinese, please stay away from us, it disgusts me just thinking Koreans are our brothers....it's a humiliation for us, for millennia you're just two-legged sheep

@salvatorenostrade3331 7 месяцев назад

No, we are not Koreans, we venerate Šanggiyan mountain but we are our own thing most of us practice tibetan buddhism anyways maybe we are similar to North Koreans but not South Koreans. We are far similarly culturally to Turks and Mongols than we are Koreans. I would say we are our own thing.

@marioplayer1410 6 месяцев назад

@@salvatorenostrade3331 Right. You are Northeastern Chinese but culturally Manchu. No such thing as Manchu DNA.

@marioplayer1410 6 месяцев назад

@@alexhu5491 You may claim to be culturally Manchu, but you act like a Chinese. Being offended that Korea has claim over you.

@몽골징기스칸 6 месяцев назад

Mohe under Goguryeo and Balhae is not same with Manchurian. Manchurian mostly were from moving Tunguistic people and Mogolian people to south manchuria in 13th. Many Jurchen people were assimiliated to Korean people in Joseon dynasty. But they were slave or servert class in Korea That is different with China case

@imantaqwa9957 3 года назад

So Jurchen invaded China for two timea

@moefinesse9878 2 года назад

Yes they invaded twice. The first dynasty was called the Jin dynasty while the second dynasty was called the Qing dynasty.

@imantaqwa9957 2 года назад

@@moefinesse9878 Jurchen people is badass. They were same as Mongol, once a great power but now they were "unknown". What left for them is just history.

@moefinesse9878 2 года назад

@@imantaqwa9957 they are more aligned with Koreans then Mongols. Aisin founded his dynasty under Jin, which is essentially romanized as Kim. Kim means gold under Chinese character. Jurchens and Koreans both claim their origins to Baekdu mountain, Korean, Changbai mountain, Manchu, which is located in North Korea and Manchuria

@hazard1648 2 года назад

@@moefinesse9878 *Alsin dynasty

@truedarklander 2 года назад

@@hazard1648 the Aisin Gioro clan founded the Qing. There was no Aisin dynasty

@Gagura-g6x 2 года назад

评论区怎么这么多韩国人蹭满族啊，不好意思，我和我的祖先和你们不熟，当初不认清朝自认自己是明朝正统的也是朝鲜的王，咋这么喜欢给自己找祖宗啊

@Amnok Год назад

Search for 欽定滿洲源流考,Hesei Toktobuha Manjusai. Your emperor Aisin Gioro Hung li and his Manchurian scholars claimed that his founder came from 新羅 and 高麗. Just read it, since you can only write in Chinese and forgot how to speak your own language.

@Gagura-g6x Год назад

@@Amnok lol, many Korean can’t even read the original copy of the Korean historical documentations since these were written in Chinese, wanna know ur own history? Learn Chinese

@Amnok Год назад

@@Gagura-g6x Most Korean get hanja education in their youth, elders used 國漢字混用 before 1990's. Korean historians have more knowledge on 漢文 than average Chinese. Manchurian language is considered as a dead language in academic field. Refute me after reading 滿洲源流考.

@Gagura-g6x Год назад

@@Amnok i totally understand that since Korea has always been a client state of the Han people, so y’all wanna ride one's coattails, like the stronger ethic groups can take China from the Han, so Korean won’t look toooooo weak in the history, I got it, enjoy the sweet dream.

@Amnok Год назад

@@Gagura-g6x You seem to be escaping from reality instead facing your own history. Looks like 'My people' means Han Chinese, since you and your family forgot how to speak Manchrian and proudly use 普通話 with broken letter, 簡體字. What makes you distinct from Han Chinese? Nothing.

@leewhoopingcranegungfu 2 года назад

I think Aisin does not mean gold but is translated from Chinese as ' Love Heart' and Gioro is actually the ancient name Goryeo aka Korea. So Aisin Gioro would mean Love Goryeo with all the heart. This makes more sense as the area the Jurchens/ Nurchens were staying was in Goryeo/ Korea. Nurchen as translated from Chinese means, Slave tribe/ people. So when the Nurchens, a derogatory term used by the Chinese, conquered China, changed the name to Manchu i.e. the tribe of Man or Man Tribe/ People.

@Gagura-g6x 2 года назад

WHAT are u talking about??? 爱新觉罗 is Transcription not Sense-for-sense translation! 爱新 means gold it represent the clan, 觉罗 is the last name, Hongtaiji decided to imitate the Han culture that’s why he put 爱新 and 觉罗 together, it has nothing to do with Korea.

@yo2trader539 Год назад

Mongol/Persian historical texts use "Jurchia/Jurchen" as well. It's not a name given by the Chinese, but that's how the people who built the Jin (金) dynasty called themselves. 愛新 (Aisin) is a transliteration of the Manchu word meaning Gold. The name most likely derives from the Jin dynasty. And that's probably why the Jurchen/Manchus called their dynasty "Latter Jin" 後金, initially. "Jin" is the family name that many Aisin Gioro members used after the collapse of the dynasty to hide their Manchu ancestry. Gioro name comes from the clans historical location in Heilongjiang province, around Harbin city.

@thanglauc 27 дней назад

The problem is "Aisin" is not a Chinese word, it's Manchurian

@betinnalee9184 Год назад

white man's version the Manchu have been a tribe in both Northern Russia and Southern China from the beginning of time and they go farther back than the Qing Dynasty but you know nothing you always surmise we were the one that actually defeated the Mongols

@syy212 2 года назад

They were Koreans

@Gagura-g6x 2 года назад

Nope we were not

@cocaineminor4420 2 года назад

no dumba** Korean is Korean ethnic Manchu is Manchu ethnic. This person doesn't know Asian history. If you wanna talk about similarity than i suggest Korean and Japanese.

@dayandlight111 Год назад

Jesus was Korean

@ytn00b3 Год назад

@@dayandlight111 ironic when Chinese claims Genghis Khan and Kublai Khan as Chinese. Even the name Chinese meant for Cathay people aka Khitan.

@yoloi2470 Год назад

@@ytn00b3 He meant regionally not ethnically. Since most mongolian live in China. Well Sima qian once claimed that xiongnu(proto mongolian) were blood brothers with the huaxia( proto han chinese).