The Mandelbrot Set: Atheists’ WORST Nightmare 

Rules and laws need to set in motion by a force. Humans did not invent the shape of the Mandelbrot set. What are the actual chances something like this is random chance? Paired with all the other complexities in life? You reach a mathematical number of impossibility when you start adding them all up to chance. Of course an athiest will never give you an inch though so im wasting my time.

I agree. These religious types tend to overlook the simple, but still extraordinary, explanations for things.

@@scottdemarest9315 It's funny and sad at the same time anytime someone thinks that they can disprove God by claiming that "simple laws" are all the explanation we need for the complexity and order of the universe... Where did these "simple laws" and every other perfect law that perfectly maintains order in the universe come from? Why did utter chaos not take over? Did a random big bang create this many perfect laws and this much order? How is the claim that a random big bang creating this many perfect laws and this much order not a supernatural claim that is based on faith? There is nothing simple about the laws and the order that governs our universe... To state that the laws and the order that governs our universe are simple is intelectual dishonesty. Just because you can explain something through science/math or various laws, it doesn't mean that God did not create them. That's the whole point of the video... the fact that something has a "simple" explanation that can be understood through science/math, it doesn't mean that God did not make it be so. Why do these numbers work exactly the way they do in such perfect order? They did not have to be so orderly and systematic, but they are. Why does math make sense and function so perfectly instead of it being complete and utter chaos? I'm not necessarily making the point that the order in our universe proves God, but that would be a pretty good argument. I’m merely pointing out the fact that being able to explain our universe through science/math doesn't mean that God did not create it... How does it make sense to say that the big bang made all of this order, but that God didn't?

@@Vladi.G great points! I see a mic drop. 🙂🙏

@@Vladi.G no one thinks it’s disproves God. People think it doesn’t prove God

Same with me

Ikr it's so cool

ironic coming from a minecraft pfp

@@marquiseco.”IrOniC cOmiNg FrOm A hOrSe RiDeR pFp” See how that doesn’t make sense?

hmmm... i mean... hmmm... I'm not going to talk- @@dryfox11

But that edge never is crossed nor can be. Only eternity will allow us to understand infinity. Hence the tragedy of science - it can NEVER reach its intended goal of understanding the universe. And always falls short...infinitely short...Limited success is ultimate failure. Only faith can answer the question that science forever seeks. When science is looking for how it works, faith points to WHO makes it work. For work it perfectly does, but fully understanding we don't. Friend - find peace in Jesus, Him who is the image of the True God. Science cannot give you that peace, faith in Jesus will.

The tragedy of religion is that it never tries to understand *anything*, it satisfies itself with medieval stories which "explained" things to people who thought iron tools were the last word in sophistication. "How does the work?" "God did it." only satisfies the feeble-minded.

It's not a tragedy of science, it's a strength. Faith is important on a personal level, but science excludes the unprovable. Some things are unprovable, and that's just the way it is. You could say, like this speaker, that God created math. You can say that, but I won't believe you because there's no proof in that claim - only faith. If I don't share that faith, then I can't accept that to be true. Turn to faith for comfort. Turn to science for truth. You can have both, just don't mix the two!

I thought the same. Very good presentation but the conclusion did not inevitably follow the evidence. For me, the reason that we get the same fractal patterns in nature and mathematics is because, in both cases, we are applying a simple rule repeatedly.

Some homosexuality is caused by child abuse. Why does the Bible want to kill them all?

Day ONE, The FiRSt DAY

Great point: incredible complexity can come from simplicity. Everyone is free to choose whether that came from a creator or not, but there isn't any logical requirement to pick one or the other. I prefer the simpler case.

At the beginning 😉

no. the first "choice" is logically invalid. @@JeffLearman

@@yonaoisme I'm not sure it's invalid, but it would get cut by Occam's razor, which is why I'm not a believer.

I'm no longer an amatheist.

@@jameswest8280 I’m a mathesist

Anything to escape God huh? Not gonna happen.

@@oreally8605 man shapes dont prove god

@@oreally8605 provide evidence there is anything to escape from.

Satan has deceived you. In this life you are either a child of God, or a child of satan. Ps. Hell is a lake of fire, NOT a party place. Choose wisely!!

Dito😎

No nightmares, but where is God in that? I don´t see any god at all.

Your an atheist so your not to bright to start with

its a representation of how perfect God’s mind and how infinite it is… not a matter of how you can see Him

Quantum Leap, Maybe if we say The Universe Loves itself, therefor it love is ❤

Notice there was no Bible quote for "God thinks mathematically". And no explanation why miracles exist if there are "invariant, exceptionless" laws? (34:40) This kind of god is not a christian god indeed. It is just something look-scientific.

@@Mabelstarot What?

@@user-ct6sy5ky8p That is not the vibe I got from the video.

It was found that there is a pinch in the Mandelbrot set. That pinch, when the set is applied to the motion of the physical body, causes a flaw in the gait of one revolution of the motions required to complete one whole human step. Therefore, that pinch would physically look like a palsy. God showed me this. He said that every person has their own rhythm. If the rhythm has an interruption, like a pinch, it shows. I asked him, " Then what can be done?" He showed me a line in the air about four feet above the ground. It appeared to me but also seemed invisible. He lifted his finger through this line and broke the interruption, reseting the appropriate rhythm for the motion to be completed smoothly. So, there is an answer for those with palsy. The rhythm formula for their body needs to be reset. With God all things are possible. So we ask, we pray that God lifts his finger and changes the person's mathematical rhythms so they line up with the fullness required to complete a step without a flaw. People are created by God for fellowship with him and are meant to work with God in all of creation. Can you imagine being alone in the universe? If you were God, you would make children you could enjoy who would partnership with you and love you and think you are the most awesome Father ever. You might think this crazy, but you will not know for sure until you seek God for answers.

this was in the context of humans discovering math, not creating it. He wasn' referring to God

@@filetmignon9978, yes, I understood that too. Thanks for pointing it out though. Good day.

@@lynnharrell9598 👍

Fractals do not need any creator

Yes, that's why we use Arabic numbers and not Roman numbers. Oh wait! No, numbers are human inventions. And mathematics describes the properties of those numbers.

@@DlnCDMP3 Simve give not received a reply, I'll suggest that it may possibly be similar to 10:10 in the video?

If you have ears, hear... Religion is fake....Yeshua is the 10 commandments, whom is the Jew's eternal King or God: and whom became flesh to make himself an example for the Jews as he had promised them; So Obey the 10 commandments and Apply love to your lifestyle; exit religion, for the very first laws is to have no other gods before him, and it is written that no man can serve two masters; Sell your unnecessary possessions and help the fatherless, the widows, the poor, etc. *Again* Love yourself and your fellow brothers and sisters; if you have an extra t-shirt, give it to him that have none; likewise if you have 2 pair of shoes, give one pair to him that have none...*and no vaccine* ...again, If you have ears, hear....

Fractal art sounds intriguing

Computers. Clever aren’t they? And most people in the Midwest of the USA think that they’re full of little people doing sums and drawing pictures

@@nialllambert3194 is that what they think? I lived in the Midwest for awhile and I can assure you most people don't think that. 😂

Well said😊

So true… I’m terrible at maths. Yet when I see people do equations and all the rest of that Mathy stuff .. it’s quite astounding! I’m not be able to do it yet I can understand how amazing and truly brilliant it is.

When your hour of trying comes, cry out to Jesus and he will save you because He loves you so much.

if he loves me so much wouldnt he save me even if i dont cry to him?@@sk-un5jq

​@@sk-un5jq Srsly One question? What the fk did u gain by this comment😂 Plss enlighten me O Great Sage

What did you gain from yours? An internal emotional response to your own actions and perceptions, the mild satisfaction of various social drives, and the feeling that you may have altered another person's cognition in ways you desired? If those things are true for you, then they're probably also true for them: you both found significant yet subtle benefits through what from certain perspectives looks like nothing but meaningless chatter. Further, given that this comment is on a Christian video, it is appropriate to both the topic at hand and its intended audience, meaning that such comments are likely not only expected here, but encouraged. So the comment in question also passes a test for socially appropriate or even friendly and polite behavior given its context, even if elsewhere it would be out of place. That's my possibly subjective opinion anyway. I know a lot of people frown at any hint of religious proselytization whatsoever, so maybe I'm considered objectively wrong in whichever specific group you feel you may belong to, if any. I do think I'm wrong for trying to answer a rhetorical question that doesn't really concern me, but it's not a bad way to pass a few minutes and I personally think that entertainment requires no excuses if it does little to no harm. @@namangaur1551

What fallacious reasoning and logical leaps?

@ThePubliusValerius 1. At around 25:20, he says that "beauty is built into math". It's quite hard to define beauty, since it is something so subjective. I find the fractals beautiful, but one could just as easily find them drab and uninteresting - you can't continue the argument from there. 2. At 26:30, when defining numbers, though I could accept the definition that a number is a "concept of quantity", his analogy of "destroying the number 3 and thus making students count 1,2,4" doesn't make much sense. I have the ability to kill a chicken in front of you, but I didn't eradicate chickens, I only "destroyed" one. So despite accepting his definition, the argument for it doesn't hold much water. 3. At 27:40 he talks about the origin of math. Specifically if math "evolved". I'm not making the claim that math evolved, but his question "did 7 used to be 3 and then it evolved?" Misunderstands the concept of evolution at a fundamental level. I don't think anybody makes the argument that math evolved, but if they did, his breakdown of it makes no sense at all. 4. At 28:05 he asks if the laws of math were created by people. This is actually a deep philosophical question that many people disagree on. He even comments on the fact that some people make that assertion. Again, his explanation as to why the argument that math is man-made is faulty. It is possible to create systems that operate on different logical axioms, though there could be a couple explanations as to why it's difficult to imagine one (be it someone going their entire life using the current system or even the human mind evolving over tens of thousands of years to accept this system as natural). Either way, telling an architect that 2+2=5 or trying it at your bank obviously won't work, because you're still using the current logical system. So giving that explanation and coming to the conclusion that math can't be man-made is faulty. 5. At 33:50 he asks why the universe obeys mathematical laws. If math were man-made, an answer can easily follow: man created math in order to explain the universe. Therefore, the language of math is used to contextualize the universe. It obeys mathematical laws because we formed mathematical laws around the universe. If math isn't man-made, one could argue that the universe and math complement each other and are linked in their existence. 6. At 34:50 he said "you come up with something in your mind, does the universe just obey it?" But that's a misunderstanding of causation. A man sees flowers tens of thousands of times in his lifetime and comes to the conclusion that all flowers have petals. The universe doesn't obey his claim, rather his claim was shaped around the universe. 7. At 36:30 he says that there is no sufficient answer an evolutionist can give regarding math's ability to explain the universe. First of all, he's equating somebody who believes in evolution with atheism, though they aren't equivalent. An atheist can disbelieve in evolution and a theist can believe in evolution. However, my main point here is that even if atheism can't explain why math works so well, it's not reasonable to conclude that God exists (that's the God of the Gaps fallacy). In ancient Greece, just because you didn't know why the sun rose each morning doesn't allow you to conclude Apollo rides a chariot of fire across the sky each day and brings with him the sun. When you don't understand how lightning works, you can't conclude Zeus is fighting with his signature weapon. Likewise, just because you don't understand how math can explain the universe doesn't mean that God created it. 8. At 36:50, he claims that numbers existed before people, but since they're solely conceptual, a mind had to exist before people. But how did he arrive at the conclusion that numbers existed before people? Sure, 4 apples can fall from a tree before people existed, but the number 4 didn't exist, only the apples. The "fourness", as he would call it, is a concept that we attribute. 9. At 37:30 he claims that the world contains fractals. So...? I can create a circular function x²+y²=1. Once graphed, you'll get a circle. Nature has circles, therefore God exists? I don't understand that conclusion. Overall, again, I really liked this video. Most of it's really good. Just the last ten or so minutes are misguided.

@@deanyona6246 If your 'argument' pertains to 'a proof,' you're correct. However, a discussion from his premise will quickly show your "one could just as easily find them drab and uninteresting" to be well below 1% of respondents. So, your dismissive statement would dismiss itself as "drab and uninteresting."

How charming to throw conceptual 'mud' and then simply walk away as if you answered him in-kind. In other words, you liked his presentation but dismiss the implications.

@moongoonrex I commented on the beauty of mathematics because it is a subjective topic. Some people can find something beautiful while others find it ugly. It's a matter of perspective. I do concede my first point isn't a major gripe I had with the video (the only reason why it's number 1 on my list is because my list is organized temporally). Regarding your conceptual mud claim, I see nothing wrong with giving criticism. I didn't just say I hated something and walked away, I started by stating my appreciation towards the video, while giving what I believe is honest and valid criticism. Somebody asked me what I meant and I rewatched the video, going into detail about what my problems were. It took me over half an hour to write. Somebody who wanted to throw conceptual mud and walk away would not respond like that. finally, it's not that I liked the presentation but dismiss the implications, I liked the presentation, but find his conclusions unbased. I don't think the implications are such as he stated.

Exactly. It is "the god of the gaps," yet again! Whatever we cannot fully understand is taken as "proof" of the existence of "god" (whatever THAT means).

no.... u r a god's servant!

@@zaplershorts7783 I am only my own God

That was an interesting reply, with multiple layers to it.

​​@@zaplershorts7783 Evangelising on Social Media is ineffective... Im not even sure these platforms and others like it are even close to be Godly. You have to subscribe to a certain mind set just to even be on RU-vid. Reading the bible you're in God's word, logging on to social media and coming to the comments you're exposing yourself to lowest form of spirituality possible. Its like trying to climb the tower of Babel to deliver a sermon and preaching to worldly people consumed with themselves.

​@@ethan_max1792 this is foolish. By definition we literally could never be God. All these rappers and famous people claiming they are their own God are just narcissistic. And there is nothing cute or special about it. We are nothing bro. We aren't even a drop In the bucket. Our entire galaxy isn't even a drop in the bucket. Our galaxy would be like a single grain of sand amongst all the sand on earth. And our planet would be like a single grain of sand amongst our galaxy. And we are like a single grain of sand on the beach amongst all the other teeny tiny grains of sand. Don't be foolish be humble. God is watching.

Jesus spoke everything into existence in 6 days, then rested the 7th. We are to rest on the 7th day too.

​@@statutesofthelord , the children of Israel under the Sinaitic Covenant were required to rest on the 7th day. Such a command is not included in the New Covenant under which today's Christ-followers live. If you find that hard to believe, read Colossians 2:16 and the surrounding context. And notice that Sabbath observance was NOT imposed on Gentile Christians at the Jerusalem meeting of the Apostles in Acts 15.

@@statutesofthelord "Sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath." "If a man lost a sheep in the ditch on the sabbath, would he not pull it out?" From New Testament quotes like these, I believe God finds it important to rest on the sabbath, but does not require it of us.

@@lancepeterson7997 Lance, Jesus made those statements to show the true meaning of the Sabbath - to do good and save life. Nothing of what Jesus did or said in any way lessens the true requirements of the Sabbath. "You shall not do any work".

@@VelvetRockStudios nice

THANK YOU! Math “LAWS” are descriptive, not prescriptive.

Exactly!

The incomprehensibility is the horror aspect of it, but no need to fear god’s knowledge bc there’s no reason to picture yourself with that knowledge, or picture the knowledge itself

@@wyattcole5452 Jesus Christ! Help! Philosopher. Even fideist-idealist... what could be worse?

@@michalpetrilak3976 what makes you think I relate to Fideism whatsoever?

@@wyattcole5452 Because you are talking about God's knowledge. I would not at all drag into the discussion such indefinite (fuzzy) terms as God. Everyone imagines something different under it and it's just a mess. After all, we wise ones know that there is an Absolute without attributes, outside of space-time, which never came into being or will never disappear. It is Presence and Nothingness beyond all description of words or logic. . It is not graspable by science. ​

There is no truth in atheism. Atheism is simply a disbelief it's an unwillingness or inability to accept God as true and no quality of evidence can convince someone of something they don't have the willingness or ability to accept as true

'''We love the truth when it enlightens us, but we hate it when it convicts us.' - Saint Augustine" - Norman L. Geisler

29:33 SNOWFLAKES ... "Snowflakes have a fractal quality to them; they have that six-fold symmetry." But if you can be bothered to LOOK AT THE PICTURE...... you see a snowflake with .... *EIGHT* fold symmetry. Yes, it has EIGHT arms. If you don't believe me, _COUNT THEM_ !!! That's not *SIX* - fold symmetry; that's *EIGHT* - fold symmetry. Can you count? *CLEARLY NOT* !!!

@@simonmultiverse6349 can you tell the difference between real photo and CGI? Clearly not.

@@SilverKnobsHMDT The video says it was a SNOWFLAKE. The video says it has SIX-FOLD SYMMETRY. The picture says not. How can someone deliberately create a picture of something with *8-fold symmetry* and then say it has *SIX* sides?????????????

Why would I ignore the idiotic "jumps to religion"? That's what this BS lecture is about. And why does every comment on youtube give a great review no matter how silly the video is?

@@brucewalker6141 Is it wrong what he is saying? His religious interpretation may be disputable, but I think his math isn't...

religion is a blessing and a curse

@Choas_Lord_512 And so are religious people from time to time, attheists aren't wrong mentioning crusades, witch burnings, homophobia, etc...

The God of Math. Math didn't design itself and it's stupid to think it was always there. 1st off Maths causes the world to operate the way it does but it's conceptual meaning that it only exists in the mind and if maths was in existence before human beings that means There was a mind before human beings. And infinate mind. God.

No, the atheist worse nightmare is living a life without meaning and purpose. Which inevitable ends up being the case for every atheist. It happened to me, it’s not pretty. Mandelbrot set should open your mind up about the universe following coherent, logical structures that couldn’t otherwise be possible without the existence of intelligence, a being that made it so on purpose. The chances of such well organized and beautiful phenomenon happening just because of “magic” is not convincing enough, it makes no sense. Is it plausible to believe that the universe we live in happened out of nowhere?, it just randomly decided to exist and in such a well organized, logical manner. No right?

I mean this seriously, but this is a skill issue. You absolutely can find meaning and purpose without a mysterious invisible entity creating everything. Unfortunately, it requires a bit more effort than saying "god done did everything" and pretending that gives your life meaning. Moving on, the universe following a coherent, logical structure is not even remotely proof of an intelligence. This is another weakness of religious people, they assume that any complex structure they can't comprehend MUST have an intelligence behind it.

@@shadowjuan2 It is entirely plausible that we live in a universe governed by chance, from beginning to end. It is not the most convenient concept for us humans to comprehend, but it is perfectly possible.

​@@olivercharles2930 Mon anglais n'est pas suffisamment élaboré pour vous répondre dans votre langue. Je ne suis même pas mathématicien et j'avoue que dans ma jeunesse les maths m'ennuyaient profondément... Néanmoins le modeste esprit littéraire qui est le mien, a pressenti il y a de cela plusieurs années, que l'origine de notre univers repose sur des concepts mathématiques... C'est ce qui est dit dans cette vidéo, si le niveau de compréhension de mon anglais ne l'a pas trahie... Pour le reste, je pense qu'il est vain d'entamer des discussions sur l'existence on non d'un dieu créateur. Cela n'aboutit à rien, si ce n'est à des querelles d'égo pour savoir qui a raison... Je trouve bien sûr ridicule et caricaturale l'idée d'un dieu à barbe grise, mais non moins idiote l'hypothèse émise par un physicien athée, d'une onde d'énergie surgit soudain du vide ( néant). Je suis agnostique et je suis sensible à la beauté que je vois autour de moi, dans la nature et dans les plus belles créations humaines.., l'homme qui dans ces moments là, agit comme un petit dieu... Salutations de France.

....Except for the irrational anger towards a kind God

Yooooooo, please take this serious - I care about you and I don't even know you - There's a war going on right now whether YOU believe it or not, more importantly a spiritual war, and you being a self proclaimed atheist is right where the devil wants you to be. The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing people he doesn't exist. Makes you an easy target for his legion of demons. Watch the movie Nefarious. On the other hand God gave us the Best Gift ever, the power to choose bc Love cannot be forced but is chosen. And Jesus shed his Blood on the Cross for all of our Salvation and Redemption - All at the cost of FREE! So not one person can boast out of good deeds to earn it which God (Jesus in the flesh) did not want us to have to earn but given freely to All. We are in Biblical Prophecy now with Israel and Hamas. Please consider getting Baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit! All to Gain and nothing to lose!

Yes, me too, it proves the burning bush is real!!! I've already sacrificed a goat and desparately try not to mix the fabric of my clothes which Jahwe really hates.

It is okay, It is not a fearful thing. God answers questions. He is real and He loves you to ask questions. He knows everything, absolutely everything. He knows you better than you do and He is loving, tender, and kind. God Almighty and Jesus Christ is One. If you ask God anything in Jesus name, he answers.

no buddy, atheists don't need fractals to be afraid, their sole naked factory-consciousness should do the job

I believe you're straight-up wrong. Evidence for God is literally all around us. It's our Ego and usually lack of a willingness to truly think for ourselves that keeps us blind to it. If you contemplate the complexity of a single cell, and all which composes your body, and all the subconscious processes and interactions which need to occur to keep your body living. If you've contemplated it appropriately, without bias, you must conclude God. I remember being under the age of 8 a determining that evolution, more specifically what they would term now macro evolution, was a lie. In an objective and logical way; mathematically the requirements for a new trait, which could also be considered "good" to come about, and then also become the dominant one that is passed down, even though it's rare, makes macro evolution something which simply would never occur. And literally an intelligent 6 year old can figure it out on their own. Now there's plenty of evidence on the net that macro evolutionist have been clawing at anything for decades, to try to conform it to their beliefs. So info is readily available but most people still believe in macro evolution. Even lots who would call themselves "Christian". A protein, DNA, RNA, all the parts of a cell and how it functions, none of it is "random" or "chance" or "Nature"; the only nature it is, is God's Nature.

@@F2332unn32i.e. your standard of proof is insanely low. You shouldn’t ever walk into a courtroom if that’s all it takes for you to reach a conclusion. P.S. macro evolution is an outdated term. Strangely enough, the only people that use it are ones that don’t believe in evolution (which is the scientific equivalent of not believing in gravity or particles).

Evolution is proven all over the place. AI programmers proved it. The fact that new strands of virus and pathogens were created, not despite, but because of the existence of medicine proves it.@@F2332unn32

@@F2332unn32" It's our Ego and usually lack of a willingness to truly think for ourselves that keeps us blind to it. If you contemplate the complexity of a single cell, and all which composes your body, and all the subconscious processes and interactions which need to occur to keep your body living. If you've contemplated it appropriately, without bias, you must conclude God" Retarded

But it did not start existing because of that

@@Felipe2009cvb yes it did

@@Dragonryu So something starts to exist at the moment someone discovers it? By your logic gravity started to exist when newton saw the apple falling... Must be a really weird place, your mind.

Penicillin was discovered because A.Flemming was a very untidy scientist and had a desktop overfilled with stuff that got mixed up and started a life of its own right there.. well thats maybe not 100% true, but not all lies either....

​@@Felipe2009cvb key difference is that gravity occurs in nature and the Mandelbrot set does not

Some Titles get more clicks (Atheists will cover their heads in ash and be all crying when they see this) than other Titles (Learn about a beautiful math formula) Some Titles get more clicks (Christians like you are smart, and Atheists are not) than other Titles (Everyone will get along better after watching this video) Some Titles get more clicks (You are smart, everyone else isn't, and they will pay!) than other Titles (Let's all get along) I gather info from this meta data, as to WHY people click on these videos. It's almost like they still need approval from Dad and Mom, and this video gives them that? Maybe I'm wrong? Cheers!

Not a religious person at all and always found science and math could explain things... that being said I do find it odd that tesla said everything is energy, frequency and vibration which basically describes sound... and the Bible says In the beginning, God brought creation into existence by the power of His spoken Word. Not just by his word. They added spoken to that sentence. Idk I'm finding all sorts of things from long ago that seem to vaguely answer questions science has just recently proven. It's making me feel like we had these answers all along and something happened making us either forget or destroyed our records and only hidden answers survived but they're so vague...

@@BallsMcGee88 ​Ideas pertaining to vibration, energy, frequency, and so on have emerged throughout the world in many different ways. Scientifically, the concept pertains to the fact that everything is in motion. A hermeticist, for example, would probably relate the concepts to the vibrating motions of all atoms as well as to the orbit of the Earth and even the fluctuations of our unpredictable emotions. Not trying to devalue your thoughts, but I feel I should point out that the connection you draw is rather tenuous. Modern Christian apologetics tends to eschew the concept by saying that the Bible is not a science textbook, which is a great choice to make it in my opinion. The Bible also talks of all humanity descending from a single pair of people, of a flood covering all the Earth, of all languages diverging from the tower of Babel, and of an Exodus from Egypt and a war on Ca'naan that historically have no evidence. This is accepted fact among not only the scientific community but most Christian Bible scholars as well. AiG is an outlier. Stories like these can of course be read as metaphor, but we only now have the ability to discern what is true and what is not true in the Bible by comparing it to our observations. In the past, there was no way to discern the literal from the metaphorical. In a sense we always did have answers, but many of them were not the correct answers. Yes, the bible provides some answers where science may never be able to do so. That does not mean that the Bible's answers are accurate. Even if it is right about a personal god that made the universe, how can we assume it's right about what God wants? His personality? The afterlife? It certainly is not the only book that claims to be the word of such a god. I also can't help but wonder where, exactly, you are getting these answers from. It's not for me to know, but the best source is the Bible itself. If you are learning through AiG, I implore you to open a Bible. The Oxford study Bible is my go-to. The Bible is very much subject to interpretation (hence the countless Protestant denominations), and I would recommend you allow yourself to form your own.

@ekobadd1966 idk what AiG is, but I've been looking up stuff via Google and kinda started with the flower of life and kept rolling. Interesting it resembles so many different things. Like holographic light interference and the seed of life is in it, which looks like an embryo. The yin-yang also resembles a toroid, which is found all over, like in magnetic fields, tornados, plasma fields, etc. that's also in the flower of life. Lots of things just seem weird about people that long ago could know without the tech.

@@BallsMcGee88 AiG = Answers in Genesis, the channel we're currently on. That's why I thought you might be watching them. Can you tell me what you mean by holographic light interference?

Nice tidbit.

Cartesian skepticism.

If I'm not mistaken, Gauss was the one who prefered to call them lateral. Before Descartes, they didn't really have a name

I think I'd have called them perpendicular, but lateral is better than imaginary. As an aside, I think we've inferred the number line as a concept of time, where 0 is now and positive numbers are the future with negative numbers representing the past. After nearly 50 years of deep meditation, it's been decades since I've seen time that way. I see the present moment as being real, with the past and future being imaginary constructs. The present moment is continually being replaced and the creation, existence, and expiration of each moment is perpendicular to the usual timeline. It's the imaginary numbers of it's domain.

Didn't someone call them "fictitious numbers"

And that’s also perhaps why much of what makes life worthwhile has totally passed you by, and you’d have no way of knowing. If you live underneath a rock in smallville Ky or Mo etc your world will always look like the underside of a rock in some useless backwater.

@@nialllambert3194 Yeah, you're probably right, Niall, my dismal life would be so much better under this rock had I learned calculus and trigonometry, I still write Pi as 3.141. It appears to me your up-turned nose comes in handy considering your attitude for persons living in 'fly-over country'. I watched the entire video, my comment was 'tongue-in-cheek', get a sense of humor lest your life becomes dismal as well.

You made it about 7 minutes longer than me before I felt that way. You Brainiac you. To be clear, I'm not knocking it. I'm a Christian. Maybe I'll try it another day and my brain will be a little clearer.

Balancing a checkbook? Like doing addition and subtraction?

@@DaBlaccGhost Your degree is paying off, good job. Are you off today or unemployed?

I was the elegance of the mandelbrot set that gave me my faith in God. I was blow away by it's infinite beauty and was what made me realise that God and infinity are the same thing.

Complexity does not occur randomly. Concepts of quantity existed before man made characters and representatives of these concepts

@@lukethedude3902 citation needed.

​@@drzaius844 the first commenter makes a claim that needs a citation as well. Why do you not apply this requirement evenly?

@@WishfulThinking-vg9tp if the big bang was a random occurrence and the macro evolutionary process arose from that, you have a complex process occuring randomly.. So no evolution doesn't explain anything here. That's circular reasoning

"if i cant explain it, must be a random accident"

More accurately, “if an explanation does not appear to exist in the natural world, it necessarily must be explained supernaturally”

Yes

Oh, many people said in God’s name, the earth is square and the Sun cycles it until some day, someone smart questioned the notions and did measurements and objective observations and calculations. Also, we cannot find the cold truth by finding evidences on what they tend to believe. In fact, to know who created the universe does not matter. Exploring how to be a fair human being is much more practical and productive than that. Wish it makes some sense. Self-similarity is one of the natural phenomena to form a stable and sustainable physical and biological system; however, it does not mean it is created by any God. Also, no one can judge what God thinks and likes, which is pretty arrogant. Doctor, right?

That's basically it, just said in a much more elaborate way

Took too long to find this comment. Saying "AtHiEsTs ArE nOt GoNnA lIkE tHiS!" Is for the already christian audience to give them reassurance at best. He is taking a scientific and mathematical discovery and cramming it into his religious narrative. And i don't see why this would prove atheism right or wrong, this changes nothing.

TLDR: Simple rules, when repeated countless times, can reveal surprising beauty and symmetry. This works in math, cosmology, chemistry, plate tectonics, biodiversity, climate & weather, etc. This video was a fun (and pretty good!) introductory dive into the wonder of fractal math, for those who may have never seen it before! ... but for the rest of us, it reads like a master class in Missing The Point.

Well he isn't wrong (x)

@@mattperkins2538 Beautifully explained, I couldn't have said it better myself. This explanation is somehow thorough, concise, and easy to understand at the same time. Well done.

@@PJM257 That's very kind of you, but in all fairness, I probably stole most of it subconsciously from Richard Dawkins or somebody. :)

dude exactly

I suspect he didn't think of that, despite literally making a video about it.

The worse part, and I'm a christian myself, is that the argument itself is disconnected from the presentation about fractals whatsoever. It's just the question about why does the universe obey mathematical laws, and he ends up making a purely emotional argument with "awe" and "greatness" in truly simples beautiful things

Creationism has been disproved a long time ago by scientists like Darwin when they discovered the process of evolution (Pls don't say that there is no proof of evolution; we have a lot of proofs (fossils being the most simple ones), Google them if you wanna learn)

@@sudiptadeb3107 darwin believed in god, what are you on about?

Is this like the idea that logic always necessarily leaves a piece unanswered, because in answering that unaswered piece you create a new logic with its own new unanswered piece? (Sorry if I'm misrepresenting, I'm just trying my best to understand.)

Fractals are infinite.

Spirographs made me religious.

So that's the name of that thing! Thank you! I had one as a child and still remember my first goose bumps caused by the observation of how it works. Cheers!

This comment made my day. I'm finding more and more that when things look like magic, it's usually just science I haven't learned yet.

@@WilhelmFreidrich I'd get 95% of the way through a complex thing and slip, so they had the opposite effect on me.

its amazing what God can create

Ha !

The name Mandelbrot comes from a Yiddish term for "almond bread," so you could have a food truck that bakes infinite varieties, too!

@@JeffLearman I would maybe need to offer Kosher brats which might be a logistical problem. What could be the wurst of that? 👼

@@intentionally-blankHah!

He doesn’t claim to understand it just a small part of it. The complexity and how it must be impossible for the world to exist in literal infinite complexity just by chance

@@jokebird6479 But that doesn’t follow from anything. And “infinite complexity” are so far just words with no precise definition. Now let’s do inferences from cosmological questions about inflation, matter-antimatter asymmetry and so on. Real soil for unbased extrapolations here.

This is a new type of heresy and It's honestly incredible. I miss the early church heresies where you could just say stuff and cause a major global conflict.

You are projecting arrogance onto him which, while might be a little true, as we are all arrogant to some degree, is not warranted here. He said this discovery gives insight into God’s mind.

@@jokebird6479there’s no definiative proof that the world is infinite though lol

emergence*

shut up@@thatoneman1

Right I do not know why these people think they can beat atheists by saying something logical. There is no logic in religion. Religious people should just accept that.

​@@HearUsRoarprove it.

@@HearUsRoar bro can't even spell right talking about "you will loose badly". go to bed bro. you have 1st grade classes in the morning.

Yeah but then what about the branch in the middle equalling the sum of the 2 branches on each side ?

@@maddogtannen6984 ...therefore god?

Mathematics aren't boring and I don't think students understand that they aren't bored by math, but the ones teaching it. Public schools are a failure.

I loved math in elementary to high school, algebra made me love it more. Then to find that math and science go hand-in-hand..I got an A and B in those classes and was failing the others.😂 This presentation speaks volumes of The creator tho!

Or plural ones (Genesis 3:22)

Math proves that you can think. It is thinking without the baggage of emotions and personal opinions. It is the ultimate "it is what it is".

i have to agree. I now see the beauty in mathematics but feel like the time has come and gone to really delve into pure maths

"Guy who didn't realize math was cool has just realized math is cool." He seriously has no idea how to interpret fractals if he's landed on "god exists" as his conclusion.

@@derekwood7329 Finally, someone with sense.

He's discovered that counting exists within mathematics. Stay tuned, he might discover that the sun gives off light.

Finally I found the comment thread I belong to

@@WyvernYT I hope he figures out how to make a baking soda volcano while he's at it. It'd probably end up being more useful then his entire career anyway.

@@abdullahimahamudbilehow does that relate to what he said? just curious

@@Meepmope it doesnt

​@@abdullahimahamudbileno correlation

@@abdullahimahamudbilethe sun? You mean a star? Stars, they’re being Literal billions of them in our galaxy alone and there are billions of galaxies out there? Yeah I love stars but ours isn’t that special. The whole reason you have a religion is because you can’t accept the fact that the universe doesn’t care about your existence or mine or anybody’s for that matter. Cope by all means but quit spreading your harmful propaganda around the modern era thanks

@@woohooo4936 actually it is at the core of what he said. Regularity, uniformity, predictability... the very touchstones of science itself, are in fact not even scientifically "provable" but are axioms of sheer faith. We have no ability to "prove" the assumption of uniformity, yet we cannot assume otherwise. Aside from the clickbait title of the vid (which is not helpful) this is the essence of what is being claimed. There is an inescapable order and an "appearance of design" (thanks, Dawkins) to the cosmos. An atheist must argue that his anti supernatural presuppositions trump that appearance. ---ps. you may thank me for summing up The Blind Watchmaker for you in two sentences.

@zainroshaan's comment is so key; esp. its phrase, "A simplest formula, given enough time, can give rise to infinitely-complex structures" \ -- in infinitely- _elegant_ complexity, as well \ (This naturally happens in so many aspects thru this beginningless endless limitless universe; esp., it happens as living patterns \ ) \\

so god's on an acid trip?

ironically he has Alienware laptop as an atheist, my worst nightmare people like this have a platform to spread this BS

My worst nightmare is that there are people who believe that a god really exists…

Man was created in the image of God. Man is a living being, so God is a living being. God created the Earth. If God created the Earth, he cannot originate from the Earth. Living beings that do not originate from Earth are, by definition, aliens. God is just an alien. A completely ordinary alien. Nothing special.

@@karayuschij I doubt that

This guy knows what he's talking about

@@danieln7777Jesus is coming. Repent and believe the gospel

​@@camilosanchez831Jesus has been "coming" for 2000 years, I think I'll just chill. 🥸

You can also have a set of sets

Please plot these other sets in color too. Let us see THOSE patterns that have been put in place. God is amazing.

We've come so far 🤣 We went from people scared of lighting, offering it meat and children in an attempt to bribe the gods to not harm us, to going on stage and uploading a 25 minutes presentation of: iunnomussbegawd 🤣 It's amazing to me how in thousands of years many have learned so much about the world around us, yet some of us became proud of our incredulity and the unfounded conclusions we can't reasonably draw from it and draw anyway and they use the actual knowledge that has proven all those other gods of the gaps false to proudly proclaim that theirs still has a gap to shove it in 🤣 Not that I agree that that gap actually exists, but I don't feel like explaining how languages work right now. Simplified: I am not at all surprised that the word ball is so unreasonably effective at describing a ball any more than I am surprised that math works in a universe that emerges from fundamental fields and their inherent particles that everything consists of. It would be far weirder if the water from my tap behaved different from anyone else's water.

Good,or god? I believe in good, but not god.

@@jerrylong6238 pretty sure he said praise God

Hey there! May I ask how you're doing now? Lemme know if I can share some helpful resources with you that have been tremendously beneficial for me.

@@angelt.5276 I have a relationship with God that I never had before. I'm always open to more information though. Let's see what you have.

@@marksimmons4414 God has infinite beauty to discover friend! I pray you would continue to dive deeper and that God would be tangibly present in your life. God bless you brother!

Exactly. I feel like this is missed in these conversations. Christian apologists will say we can't prove what came before the big bang, therefore the Christian bible is true? Where is the logic in that.

@@danielhamilton3496 a lot of the bible is history that can be proven true and there are people from it that were proven to be real people. Found through artifacts and writings from different people around the time.

@dejawalston6155 I couldn't care less if a man named Jesus actually existed. I'm talking about the creation of the universe and the nature of existence. Religion provides exactly zero evidence of it's claims here yet Religion pretends that any gap in knowledge by science is somehow a proof of thier religion.

Religious fanatics have answers without asking themselves questions in the first place. They're sheeps 🤡

Faith is healthy tho

Those hours or even days of waiting until the computer screen had finally filled up with an new zoomed-in part of the Mandelbrotset in a stunning 16 colors! It's a pleasure lost to the generation that grew up with _telephones_ that are capable of doing that stuff in mere milliseconds :(

Copy and Paste from Wikipedia much? Snicker snicker.

Yes. And not once was a god required to do all of this.

@@guitarszen Nope, I did not need a god to cross reference Wikipedia to see if the poster copied and pasted from Wikipedia.

Read my comment on secret codes and messages posted 12/22/22. It is just another SCAM to fool the FOOLS into thinking that there is some secret messages from god. But of course ONLY THE CHURCH can interpret these secrets, any god worth having would send out SIMPLE, CLEAR, MESSAGES THAT DO NOT NEED A BUCH OF CRAZED PRIESTS TO INTERPRET THEM. Just another SCAM.

@@guitarszen Says who?

As an accountant, I can firmly say that numbers used for business and finance have a specific purpose. And that purpose is fully manipulated by humans. I’m honestly not sure what he was trying to convey here, because it’s pretty obvious for anyone who understands the intend of math, that numbers are just human invented symbols that represent quantity. And yes, those algorithms must have a pattern, in order for our universe to function how it is now. I do believe there is a number of examples from our daily, material life, that point to the divine mind. But this is definitely one of the weaker claims

@@michaelchoruss7544 I agree mostly with what you say. However I'd say the universe basically does not care about numbers. Only laws/rules. Numbers are just a way for us to represent things, and math operations are a way for us to practice laws and rules. Now, the universe being created OR the universe being anthropic biased due to our sample size of one and life having evolved for such anthropic bias...is a whole other discussion. But as long as you have boolean logic, you can create and emulate whatever laws/rules/functions, Mandelbrot set included. And boolean logic is fundamental and universal...even in other universes with other laws of physics. But yeah, dude saw a pretty pattern (fractals). Doesn't want to understand the grace of numbers, instead thinks it's god. It's the same as if I took my computer running stable diffusion (AI art generator) back 200 years and showed people a magic box capable of creating almost any image you want in any style you want. Instead of taking awe at the sheer amount of math, science, and trying to understand that it's based literally on comparing 1s and 0s, they would assume it was magic.

There is not a mystery to it. All functions and formula can be plotted and some of it is more visually appealing to humans than others. X^2 grows infinitely and has many actual real world applications, it just does not make a pattern that we find pretty.

Cantor set is the most researched fractal and it's easy to understand too

Let's try Buddha.

​@@Buzz_Purr Buddha said delusions are innumerable.

Religious folk often make the false assumption that their truth about an infinitely complex creator is the simplest... why bother to learn stuff that you perceive to be difficult, when you have an easy explanation and can just defer expertise onto an imaginary entity? The opposite is true: the simplest empirical building blocks can iteratively generate the most complex patterns. If you do not have the will to garner a basic understanding, then you can attribute everything to a creator. The video creator did just that. Fortunately, most people do understand basic maths, so it is more os a comfort than a nightmaere.

Step 1, assume God makes numbers hey look; a complex pattern, must be god. God is real, QED.

Mathematics was actually "Discovered" and taught to us by a higher intelligence. Math describes relationships between numbers. Why is there 60 sec in a minute or 24 hours in a day? Who knows - we were just taught this to be a true measure of time - which is once we spend it (Time) - we don't get it back. 369 theory.......

@@bk3rd_para_lel the reason we use 60 and 24 comes from the Sumerians, who used sexagesimal notation (base 60) in 300 BC. The reason for using that base, and those divisions for time, is that 60 and 24 have lots of factors, so provide lots of ways to divide things up (land, goods, time). There's no reason to invoke any supernatural or 👽 extraterrestrial intelligence! Furthermore, most mathematics does not describe relationships between numbers. The core parts of modern mathematics are geometry, algebra and analysis. Most of these subjects have very little to do with numbers, in the sense you understand them. They deal with abstract patterns and structures.

God creates both the people who love math and the people who dislike it among His children, but they can work together as the limbs of Jesus for the whole benefits of the ones beloved by God.

O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allāh except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allāh and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allāh and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allāh is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allāh as Disposer of affairs. 4:171 The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded.5:75 The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was. 3:59 That Day shall a man flee from his own brother, And from his mother and his father, And from his wife and his children. Every man that day will have concern enough to make him heedless (of others). [Some] faces, that Day, will be bright - Laughing, rejoicing at good news. And other faces, on that day, with dust upon them, Veiled in darkness, Those are the disbelievers, the wicked. 80/34-42 For such is the state of the disbelievers] until, when death comes to one of them, he says, "My Lord, send me back That I might do righteousness in that which I left behind." No! It is only a word he is saying; and behind them is a barrier until the Day they are resurrected. So when the Horn is blown, no relationship will there be among them that Day, nor will they ask about one another. 23:99-101

Check out the Fibonacci Sequence, too! It's a very simple formula (the current number plus the previous number), but it appears to be found in everything in the universe, both living and nonliving. It's also derived uniquely by angles, straight line, and spiral. It's totally fascinating and also points heavily toward God.

I bought the book & loaded the app on my laptop and it is mind boggling. The infinite mind of God does really make one fall to their knees and worship

@@wangmary888 Sorry, so how did that end blood libels, schisms, Inquisitions, or the slave trade? Also, how did one third of all angels, miss the Mandelbrot set, and the implications of Romans 1:18 (or something very like it) directly, in heaven, either? With none being 'natural men' or 'spiritually dead' at the time?

However, as was stated in the video the Mandelbrot set, like all things mathematical is an abstract concept ONLY IN THE MIND. Whereas the universe is a PHYSICAL thing. Can you make that absolute comparison and assume they are equal? You'd have to be God to accurately do that.

​@@justpassingthrough...6128 Consciousness isn't physical, yet it dictates our physical life ,.

@@chandlerthebing3472 Consciousness is definitely physical, unless there is evidence otherwise.

@@olivercharles2930 you need the proof mate , because so far scientists don't even know what consciousness is , so it's definitely not definitely physical.

@@chandlerthebing3472 Well, hit yourself on the finger with a hammer, and tell if you don't CONSCIOUSLY feel the PAIN...

Facts, they trying so hard to say a magical sky daddy made everything

First off, not a simple pattern. Secondly, it proved that mathematics (an abstract concept in the mind) has identical patterns in the material world. It simply proves that everything is engineered, and it doesn't make sense except for the mention of a creator. Who is that creator? I believe its the christian god but this simply doesn't prove its him, just that a creator creating this laws is much more possible than it being random. The "golden number" is a great way of seeing how the universe seems to be designed, or engineered, perfectly and its incredible to see. Would recommend you checking on it. edit: and if you wanna say "oh but its random, thats how nature works doesnt prove nothing" the important thing to consider is that it is MUCH MORE LIKELY that a creator exists than a bouncing of atoms creating this complex and universal patterns. It doesnt mean its the case, but its MUCH MORE LIKELY. An objective man looks at the possibilities and makes his own choice.

@datboi imma keep this short and sweet. The human mind is terrible for understanding things to scale. The full scope of concepts can barely be scratched. You lack an understanding in concepts such as random and infinity. Understanding enough about something to understand that you dont know enough about something is a great start to true understanding.

@@thebakenboy it's common knowledge that numbers go into infinity in both directions. Random probability isn't as common but it's taken into account when researching quantum theory.

There is no basis for morality, physics or maths in the evolutionary Atheist world most of us belonged to. Intricate design can't come from biological chemicals

Everything in the universe follows the same rules. That we discover mathematics that describe it is hardly surprising. As a matter of fact chaos theory is at the heart of explaining many things religion claim must be explained by some god. Abiogenesis and consciousness for example.

@@pellestorck3776 Really? How so? Thanks.

This is the perfect quote for this comment section thank you🙏 the entire time I’ve been watching I’ve thought “this is just showing us the complexity and beauty of math, it doesn’t point to a creator”. The dude is making a bunch of truth claims like “god made numbers” in order to prove his point, like bro you can invoke god to prove that god exists.

I do believe in God as a force that finally can make human or any other system self confident, self conscious and show him that love,hope+faith are the only forces... but on the other hand this astronome guy here and his biblic quotes remind me of JWorg witnesses :) or some other 7th day protestants so i must say to all of you that if you are asking questions about world genesis you will find it finally by yourself - if youre asking how the Julia+Mandelbrot sets views and computation works - then you can watch this movie :)

Yep.. one thing's for sure, these people are harder at work than ever, selling their 'beliefs'.

Simple emergent property. Frustrating that this will make people feel smart about there ignorance, but won't look any further because all evidence and research beyond this points away from a creator. It's a different telling of the "watch on the beech" story, a story that has had valid counters for a long time.

So this pattern doesn't exist?

At last, proof that god does not exist.

​@@peterbradbury784 How so?

The design of the many aspects of this world is very beautiful.

@@dfacedagameAnd that disproves God how?

@dfacedagame everything has a creator, the universe can't just form itself out of nowhere

Lastly - if pattern recognition (ability to evolve, do math, etc) really is a gift of God: are we then Gods ourselves? We didn’t see the Mandelbrot set, we taught a computer how to map the pattern. AI is another extension of pattern recognition we’ve bestowed upon technology. Again very rudimentary/rough thoughts with this, but replicating pattern recognition to such advanced levels starts to sound a lot like creationism.

I have done some game development. Euler angles are used a lot. I especially hate them with regard to quaternions. That Euler guy gives me immense displeasure.

@@codeninja1832 when your name has been given to 100000 things, their might be some collateral damage...

@@brettsteed7242 He's got it coming alright. Euler better not let me catch him slippin.

Euler was a devout Christian by the way

@@josephsaab7208 Yep, and Francis Collins mapped the human genome. What's your point about broken clocks being right twice a day?

Then PLEASE. Please please learn about what it really is. You can watch Numberphile as they give an amazing explanation..... and they don't need a sky wizard to do it!

Yes it’s beautiful and mind blowing but why does that mean a god exists?

@@Majestic469 For some, like me, it demonstrates infinite complexity, truly infinite. One of the hard to fathom defining characteristics of God. To me it means God is more probable than spontaneous creation.

Welcome to the club :)

@@RickMacDonald19 even if it did prove God, how does that get us to Jesus? Why not Brahma?

Exactly.

A comment I just typed above is also pertinent here: We derive those laws from the physical world, the solution is rather simple.... We can observe that from the simplest form of math to the most complex, such as counting apples into something that we might stumble upon and then have to look where those new laws are being applied on like the Mandelbrot Set I'm not a mathematitian yet I can see this simple truth, how can they not? Because their biases are blinding them, most likely for the case above, or the are so deep in the rabit role that they lost perspective, probably the most likely cases, outsiders are often the ones that most clearly catch in house issues.

This is what I’m saying, they are blindly putting their faith in something they can’t understand, they use numbers as a way of conveying that god is real by saying that god made the numbers. Really it is the equivalent of using a word to describe itself. The fact that we get those laws from the physical world and use that concept mentally would completely explain the way that the physical world obeys the laws of mathematics, not because the physical world obeys mathematics, but because that the laws of mathematics derive from the physical world. So there, the secular world view can explain this. Also, using the question of why until something cannot be understood and then after the question cannot be answered secularly saying that “because god made it this way” is not a good way of saying that the secular world view is wrong, there will be questions that neither sides would be able to answer is the word why would be used indefinitely,

@@anubis9151 bro you telling me you're gonna look through EVERY possible mathematical expression and try to fit them into EVERY physical phenomena????

@@NoOne-sy5fg Some are certainly gonna try.

Entropy: Secularist's God.

the first part is cool, his interpretation of it, is an insult to anyone that uses their brain to think. the physical universe "obeys" the laws of math, because we constructed the laws of math by observing the universe. 1 plus 1 is two, not because god made it so, but because that's how things are. god, if he exists, is bound by math. and since math (as this guy seems to claim) "defines" how the universe behave, that too, binds god. AT BEST, god figured the rules of math, and created a physical world to follow them. In which case, we are nothing more than a computer program in god's machine. Now if you want to take it a step farther, god is smart enough to do all the calculations of the universe in his head, right? so he doesn't need a machine, or a computer. so that means, we are "living" inside the mind of god. our reality, is god's imagination. Welcome to Pantheism.

jaxtraw, the speaker is trying to find proof of a god that he knows was invented by humans. He does this for money.

@@timhallas4275 Well yes, there is that as well.

I think you may be missing the forest for the trees.

@@mfsevin8782 No. He is correct.

I don't think it's just that we are surprised that there's a pattern; its properties of repetiton and novelty carried on infinitely evoke a sense of awe and we experience it as both wonderful and beautiful. Similar profound experiences happen when we ponder the gratuity and givenness of existence. The mystery of consciousness is also awesome to us, in the technical sense. True love or charity (in the Christian theological sense or the romantic or familial approaches to it) also inspire awe and gratitude; Our sense of objective morality; these are all things that are mysterious, evoke powerful emotional reactions, and are hard to explain, especially on an atheistic worldview. I don't know for sure if there is a God, but the man has a good point.