The many, MANY failed 4-door Porsches (including the Porsche 989) 

Unforgivable 😂

Would be good if you made a video on all of Porsche's VW or Audio collaborations. The 914 lives with the not a real porsche stigma yet per your video, the Cayenne was a group collaboration. And from my understanding so were Porsche 928, 944, 968. The 356 and 912s also had VW engines. Could help dispel the stigma and clarify Porsche's history of collaboration.

Yeah, Panamera looks quite awful. They shouldve just went with station wagon Panamera from the very start, especially since they got styling down for 1st gen Cayenne. 4-door 911 could be done more in RX-8 style with rear suicide doors and longer wheelbase.

@@Kacpa2 they've finally figured out the panamera wagon just in time for it to go away thanks to the taycan sport/cross turismo.

@@romulus_ And after they stopped offering a manual transmission, they have the worst timing and decision making possible...

The video details exactly why they didn't.

993 is my fave style 911

Then Mercedes came along later with the first gen CLS to make the "4 door coupe" thing work. And I believe Infiniti came up with the "SUV coupe" thing with the FX 45, which BMW later did with the X6 and was more popular.

If making it look pretty was the only priority for a 4-dr, 4-seat 911, then your idea would be a good one. 🙂 However, in the real world, there are things called buyers and money and products. If you want to spend money to make something that people will actually like and want and buy and use (and hopefully buy another next time) your 4-dr, 4-seat car really needs to comfortably accommodate 4 adults. I know, I know - the 90s were crazy times. It was a wild idea, wasn't it..! 🤪 One of the wild things was a huge economic slow-down. Two, in fact - and even a recession in some nations! In the late 80s and early 90s, Porsche sold f-all cars. Few sales = tiny profits = no big money for new idea, especially flawed, and untested vehicle development.

Absolutely! The moment I saw the panamera it struck me as something really beautiful.

I always liked the original Panamera, initially in a "it's funky but I like it" way but over time it's aged into a really nice design. I also think the 1st gen Panamera was a great size; they went full-on S-class/7-series size in the 2nd gen but the 1st gen was a great "tweener" - a bit bigger than an E/5, smaller than a 7/S but with comparable luxury to those, plus more performance to go into that smaller body. The current ones are great cars I'm sure (if you can afford to maintain them!) but I miss that 1st gen size for an aspirational owner-driven luxury car.

I always love the Panamera design, back in time when was released it was a little bit different from all the family cars on the market

As a teen, I remember seeing drawings of the 989 in a car magazine. I couldn't believe how great the car looked. Many years later, the Panamera came out. On photos, it looked awkward but the first time I saw it in real life, I really liked it. In 2017 I bought the last model of the first generation of the Panamera. I prefer the first gen to the current one. It looks more special, the rear windows look so cool, the tail lights are far more original than the second generation flat bar. And the butt of the car, while controversial and not great looking from some angles, has this "F... you" look that I think makes this car great. And the interior is phenomenal, again much nice than the new model.

I don't usually like 4 door cars when there's a 2 door version available but the first time I saw the Panamera I thought it looked amazing. I still think it's absolutely gorgeous.

When they are low mileage weekend cars then yes. However when people buy more practical 4 door SUVs they tend to be driven more and end up with a higher mileage.

And Mercedes Coupes are very rare compared to 4 door sedans.

Actually more than Mercedes. Even Mazda MX5 Miata and Toyota GR86 / 86 hold value better than a lot 4 and 5 doors.

@@gteixeira An SUV is never more practical

@@an-dr6eu can´t agree more, at least here in europe a Cayenne is a pita almost everywhere

As an earlier video from Big Car showed, all the attempts to replace the Beetle with a new model using similar mechanicals proved to be a *BAD* idea. It was just easier to just drop that idea and go with a modern transverse FWD platform, one that became the Volkswagen Golf of 1974.

they also build and had a hand on development of the audi rs2

400e too? ive never known that

@missionna8 the 500E was built to compete with the M5, the 400E was built to compete with Lexus.

was porsche building the 400E as well? Do you have more information on that?

@coscorrodrift according to Wikipedia, "Porsche also constructed the chassis for the 400 E, which was in essence identical to the 500 E's chassis."

I can definitely see that, the first gen is hideous. The second gen looks a lot more refined.

probably company culture. a bunch of old timers who couldn't fathom a sports car manufacturer making anything but that. they had to be saved from themselves in the 90s.

Very simple a combination of Cashflow and capital expenditure requirements. Simply put they would able to reach 15000 units p a and would inevitably went bankrupt

Customers were less willing to buy trash then. The best selling Porsche model nowadays is the Cayenne. 80s and 90s consumers were not that stupid. Now, they're so stupid that they'll buy fake land rovers over sedans.

They had the 968. For awhile it was probably a huge debate inside Porshaaaa, they could have made the weirdest grand tourer based on that platform.

Sometime before 1955, a 356 engine and chassis tuning with a stock VW body. A German Lotus-Cortina, a decade before the British one.

or the Fiat multipla for that matter

@@Klopcyna eh i dont like the multipla

I always thought they should offer it with the seats removed and fit some sort of a luggage carrying space

@@TheMacz69 I think that's what happens. You get a liner, rubber floor mats with luggage straps and a cargo net in lieu of the deleted rear seats. I actually have not personally seen this, but I think I saw it as an option.

Beauty is subjective and I have always liked the Panamera... nothing wrong with the looks

@@frederickvondinkerberg7721 Beauty may be subjective but good design is not.

@@wasdwasdwwasd A-Frickin Men

Jova R Matthias Muller made the right decision to make the Porsche wide and long,because the average German is usually tall and huge.

@@wasdwasdwwasd yes that is also subjective, you don't seem to understand what that means

New camera. I'm trying a (slightly) different style.

That would be a fun on to do. I've added it to the (very long) list.

I know how you feel about 928's. Almost bought a really clean early one about 10-12 years ago, but decided against it at the time, then got to watch local prices for them double almost overnight.

I, too, loved the 928 and collected Matchbox cars.....I had fifteen different variations of the Matchbox 928....the metallic cocoa color was perfect, if not exactly sporty. In real life, I loved the funky "op art" interior fabric of the 928. Sadly, the funky fabric was not entirely durable, the light-colored segments of the design practically disintegrating is heat and sunlight.

@@pyrexmaniac gosh, I remember that colour of Matchbox 928 all too well. Exactly as you said, not sporty, kinda classy though. might need to have a look through my old Matchbox cars again, see what I still have 🙂

@@stuartleckie Which matchbox cars do you have? My favourite die casts are the Skyline, Eclipse, 68 Mustang and gold 350z. Most hot wheels.

Thanks - I've pinned a correction.

I've been doing something similar since the Triumph Stag video in 2019. I got the idea from an RMC video.

Maybe in the future, but it's a bit new for my channel.

the ferrari 330 gt shooting brake looked a lot better.

The 550 Shooting Brake looked fantastic! As well as the FF and GT4C Lusso.

The link below is where I got it. The article is from Steve Saxty (the Ford book guy) and I trust him to get it right: www.hagerty.com/media/automotive-history/how-porsches-secret-989-sedan-went-from-savior-to-failure/

@@BigCar2 ty for the reply and the link. amazing channel!

Ferdinand Piech, Grandson and Their to Ferdinand Porsche. the rebirthed VW Audi Porsche group were his Late life achievement.

I think you got the spelling wrong.

Might be???

That's because Porsche SUV's are bigger and more expensive (so, better) than the neighbour's whatever he has. I don't know what they will do if the guy next door has a concrete mixer truck or something. A pity I can't like your comment 1000 times btw.

I'd side with the owners of that hideous car rather than someone who trashes on people for spending their money on things they like.

Porsche has actually been very effective at building a superior luxury SUV. The Cayenne and Macan fairly consistently rank at the top of their respective classes in terms of comfort, performance, and even reliability against much of the competition. You might not like these cars because they lack some of the heritage and purist feel of the 911, but they are still very good cars in a market of middling kid-haulers. It’s also worth noting that these cars are the reason Porsche can produce the incredible lineup of sports cars they currently offer - crossovers (and to a lesser extent, the Panamera) helped bankroll Porsche’s future.

I have a Cayenne because it is, simply put, the most complete car on the market at any price point. It can tow my racecars, boat, PWCs and tractor while delivering S class levels of NVH, Porsche fit and finish, Lexus tier reliability, and the cargo room for the wife, kids, stroller, and luggage for a two week vacation without having to put anything in people's lap for the 12 hour 700 mile each way drive I do every summer. All that and it handles like a sports sedan, on its summer tires it breaks 1G on a skid pad and yet when I need to plow through a foot of snow I can put the suspension in its highest setting and have more ground clearance than a wrangler Rubicon. Do I need its offroad capabilities? No. But it certainly doesn't hurt to know that anywhere a Range Rover could go I could too. As a vehicle to do all of the things I have to do day to day there is nothing else on the market with such a broad envelope of ability, and most of the things that try to compete fall well short on execution, everything works the way it should in a way that isn't true of the alternatives.

@@flacjacket these are the exact reasons we bought our Macan S. It does everything we need it to, but can hold its own on a twisty backroad or an open highway and enjoyable in all settings. That, and the Porsche Service Department and customer support has been incredible thus far.

Last week i delivered an order to a home in a gated community. There's a new Corvette in the driveway, a BMW SUV, and 3 Porsche Cayennes.