The Many Mistakes of the Cell Saga. 

Krillin

He wanted romance over the earth (even though gohan would win he didnt know that)

Vegeta

Should we count Goten or ......

At least 18 barely killed anyone in this timeline.

Yeah he does have there DNA

It's poetic justice

Even still the Fact that Cell had KIOKEN in his back pocket but never used it ESPECIALLY DURING THE BEAM STRUGGLE was one of the worst mistakes in my opinion

@@ninjabros6282 Probably for the same reason Goku stopped using it. May or maybe not be but the yellow aura looks Super Saiyan-y.

@@zeldapro18 Yea I always assumed the yellow aura was Cell going super saiyan, he just doesn't have the spikey yellow hair that makes it obvious

Thank you Yamcha for mention on Earth specifically😂

Yeah Yamcha messed up

Didn't 20 immediately start draining him though? I think he was trying to raise his ki, but 20 was taking it.

Thank you, that shit pissed me off I was literally yelling at the screen because I couldn’t believe how dumb Yamaha acted in that moment.

@@Boonk29 Yamcha did it again

I agree, tho I think this more on Trunks as he only wanted Goku to know.

you're right, Goku's decision not to tell anyone about the androids was a mistake. It was Piccolo who played a crucial role in warning the Z fighters about the future androids, ultimately saving everyone. Goku's heart condition would have left him unable to fight, and the others would have been too weak. Piccolo's actions were instrumental in preparing the Z fighters for the upcoming threat.

@@dominiklange8382 This brings a good argument that Trunks' overreverance and over RELIANCE on Goku is also flaw and mistake. Everyone there has a vested interest in not dying. Why ONLY tell Goku? I understand not telling anyone else about his birth and so did wingman Piccolo but both the heart virus and the androids were worth telling. It's moot in the end though because Piccolo fixed that mistake anyway.

When did Goku refuse to tell anyone about the Androids? He most certainly tried to but the information he was trying to withhold was about Trunks identity I don’t remember him ever saying he wouldn’t tell anyone about the androids

@@kusoyuu3077 I rewatched the scene just to be sure but Trunks at the start asks Goku to keep everything he's about to say secret; he just says to keep the circumstances of his birth especially secret. Goku actually does try to not tell them anything at all hence why Piccolo says everything they need to know instead. The Japanese wording as far as I can tell at the start of the conversation is "Please keep everything we talk about from here on out only locked away in your heart" to which Goku agrees so the promise clearly includes all of the info about the androids

I swear that most of the haters of this arc are ignorant of the meaning of the word writing. And they just shove it into anything these days. The arc and characters admit that they committed these mistakes, and this is human nature. People are not perfect. I mean, this is the meaning of the arc. Goku learned from his mistake in not understanding his son and correcting him, but people currently make that an excuse for being a bad father and character. Bad and then they wonder why the series no longer gives good plots in writing. People don't differentiate between criticizing plot errors and criticizing characters

Yep, watching characters make bad decisions can be good writing, so long as those bad decisions are consistent with the characters that are making them. Goku only cares about testing his own limits in a fair fight and doesn't realize that not every fighter around him fights for that reason. Vegeta is completely deluded that he is the strongest character and will go to any length to prove it. Cell is a mixture of Goku and Vegeta, he knows he is untouchable once perfect and feels a compulsion to test his strength against the strongest fighters he can find. Trunks will do anything to form a connection and get validation from the father he never got to have. Krillin would never kill an innocent (18) in cold blood. 18 would never abandon her only companion in a world that otherwise hates her. Bulma has been on the same adventures as all the other characters and so far come out unscathed, including the fights agains majunior and on namek, she probably feels invincible on the sidelines at this point.

@@Tvboy777 Using the same methodical analysis they use for arcs they dislike, I can say that even memorable arcs like the saiyan and namek arcs should never have happened. In the former case they could have used dragon balls to destroy the saiyan pods (no difference with androids), in the latter King Kaio could have simply contacted Namek's Lord Guru and asked him to resurrect Piccolo. Literally there would have been no need for the trip

​@@Robert-le3hiWasn't it stated somewhere that because the sayains were stronger than Kami, and earth Shenron by association, couldn't fully get rid of them outright or something to that extent? But fair enough on the Nemak side.

@@jbktpl1245 The dragon couldn't eliminate the Saiyans directly, but they could still destroy their pods

In Cell's defense, he probably figured out at some point before unleashing the Cell Jrs that Gohan was on par if not stronger than Goku, but thought that Gohan's anger would just get Gohan to actually fight him instead of just dodging and stalling. At that point I think Cell knew that if Goku was no match for him, Gohan wouldn't be either, but Gohan was the closest thing he had that could at least give him a good time, but only if Gohan stopped being a pacifist pssy and actually fought him. And at that point, having a good time in a fight was all Cell cared about. Also he had a massive superiority complex, and it was ingrained into his character that anyone possibly being stronger than him was inconceivable for him.

Cell has cells of goku, vegeta and frieza. Its natural

Quit blaming Vegeta🤦‍♀️ . Krillin DESTROYED the remote himself and let 18 go instead of saving the world 🌍

​Vegeta wanted to go to time chamber and they allowed them. He was stronger than semi-perfect Cell and was supposed to kill Cell but instead he allowed to become perfect. He even started attacking his son when he decided to kill semi-perfect cell and created whole mess,@@PrincessDesert

@@reddragon100 yeah and Krillin could have dis-activated the android, and blown her away w/ a blast in order to save everybody, but he fucked up just like Vegeta fucked up. 🤷🏿‍♂️💥🔫so why’s everyone not hating on Krillin, oh bc android 18 is hot 😂😂and they want Krillin to end up w/ her at the end of the saga that’s why😏

namek >>>Icon and better written than cell

@@IIIISai facts I keep telling people that. The cell saga is okay, but people are biased because of nostalgia.

@@kesenaememere8520 exactly, u a real one, bro Im in every thread I think I became a cell saga hater, because the fanbase for cell saga is huge and makes dbz look really bad, idk where they got it from because even as a kid namek is better, it is what it is I guess, I rate saiyan saga 9, namek 10, cell 5 ( i wanna say -8), and buu is 7, see buu saga ended off dbz regardless of the bad writing it had alot of good slice of life moments, namek was super serious so if dbz ended there it would be cleaner but not as happy, cell saga was horrible so it couldn't end there but buu saga everyone grew up and everyone was happy

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This video show you how overrated dragon ball is...

Nah don't even lie you would to dawg 💀

@@CalebIsHere I know I would

Shiiiii I wouldn’t have even taken the remote

If destroying that remote resulted in a .1 percent chance to get Android 18 I would have taken.

I'd make the same choice tbh

The Many Mistakes of the Cell Saga.

That seems reasonable, the fact that he was an Android was then only way he could even keep up. He should've learnt martial arts Matrix style.

"never saw combat in his life" Are we just going to forget he explained to all of us that he had his technology scan Goku and the others for a very long time? Like seriously, he even went back as far as Adult Goku vs Tien in the original Dragonball!

@@TheGamersState he refers how gero wasnt a fighter, he was a scientist. he never had to fight in a battle like goku or most of the dragon ball cast

@@TheGamersState I think a big difference is: even if you watch hours upon hours of professional baseball to the point where you create your own games and such around it, it doesn't actually make you good at baseball the moment your hands hold onto a real bat for the first time. Dr. Gero had the idea and the potential to be a masterfully powerful fighter but he essentially got his first real taste in combat then and there. Can't blame the guy.

Everyone’s imperfections helped cell reach his perfect form. Genius tbh

you just explained it perfectly

@@eiad.8 that was the main flaw

@@2_e28k8 no thats what made it horrible, only good thing about the cell arc was the progression of super saiyan and the 2 android twins, other than that the whole arc should be skipped for how bad it is, cell has no impact and Goku just chose to not revive himself

​@@IIIISai"Goku chose not to revive himself" he literally couldn't be revived by earth's dragon balls because the balls only resurrects people who only died once, also goku thinks he attracks bad guys

@@supersonic-ox9ed Bro re watch the show or re read the manga, goku literally chose not to comeback, also wdym died once that rule was literally retconned before the buu arc, also gokus whole ideology of bad guys targetting him made 0 sense, it was just toriyamas brain dead explanation for why goku didn't contact his family

Or you could grapple someone, go grade 3, and then just beat the crap out of them so they can't dodge.

​@@alfalldoot6715try to grapple someone flying is difficult

The switch Trunks did in Super was pretty smart, use Grade 4 to get in and conserve stamina and when you are close, switch, hit, switch back

This video show you how overrated dragon ball is...

I thought it also takes longer to gather energy, but maybe that was anime only.

Mr. Perfect

Literally "perfect"

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​@@irluhhcell: can I have some of that "perfection"?

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Oooooh, riiiight. I wonder how many of these "mistakes" are just to pigeonhole in new characters out of nowhere.

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He saved Gokuh from C19 in the fight when he got the virus while the rest were watching him dying...

Vegeta saved the others a few times on namek, saved goku from 19 and saved Gohan from being overtaken by Cell

that 'dodged at the last second' shit is also an overused plot device. even nappa did that.

What if they ALL spent MORE time in room TOGETHER. Its not like theres not enough space. Also you can rest longer in the room than outside of it

@@joonas394 I feel like this was covered before in one of the stories, but there is a limit of 2 people, not because it won't let more then 2 in, but because there is only enough food in the room to properly feed 2 people for the duration

@@BlazeDarks This is correct; however since Namekians can live on just water, it doesn't explain Piccolo not going in with anyone else.

@@ShadeDergon97 I imagine it's not just enough food for only 2 but also only enough water for 2 people as well, but just omitted saying water, think it was summed up as only enough supplies for 2 people for 1 years, but you could also make an argument that you could take in 4 for six months, but then again it seems a lot of training seems most effective in one on one situations

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EXACTLY!👍

Hell, in hindsight, she could've just asked for knowledge of the androids' weaknesses and be able to build the shutdown remote. That way, Team Dragon could still fight the Androids, but if they lose, then she could just shut down the Androids, and Boom, Earth is saved.

i came to the comments to say this Krillin was supposed to disable them and then destroy them immediately

It was so he can't absorb them, which is why cell went into the past in the first place

Has Krillin ever killed anyone before that moment? Murdering an innocent person, feelings or not, is a lot to ask of one person.

But still, he could jjust keep the remote until everything is guarantee to be an ok

@@rifarira9160 To be fair, if Cell had seen him with the remote he would have probably blow Krillin up with the remote to avoid any danger.

@@matti.8465 I think he only killed some Freeza force men when he arrived on Namek. But that's all I can remember.

I totally agree. Since 23 rd tournament in Dragon Ball we got motion of no killing. Piccolo, Vegeta, Goku even spared Freeza. Krillin murdering 18 would be a destruction of previous build up.

Yeah ..... In the manga is way different cell admited trunks FAR surpassed him in power So yeah cell sees someone stronger and he would Dodge hell he tried in canon at the last second thats why only his arm was missing vegeta could have still used it last second tho

Very true - It's also important to remember Krillin, Cell and Trunks all note just how risky the Final Flash attack is, and how Vegeta barely managed to direct the attack off of the Earth's surface. So seeing how SSJ Grade 3 is remembered for how bulky and uncontrollable it was (Trunks basically turns into Broly) I think Vegeta gets off the hook for this (for once)

@@danielgonzalez-vm5lj Cell was lying to Trunks. Cell used half power on Goku and full power on SSJ2 Gohan. He maxed out on Gohan like Trunks did on him and couldn't hit Gohan. So Cell was bullshitting Trunks. Plus the Android Saga is filled with contradictions after all🤓

@@great159 its unknown How much he used there against goku all we know is thats less than what ssj gohan had in power but gohan was not willing to kill cell since for him the fight was pointless The trunks statement could be true since on the manga he NEVER even grazed cell every single attack missed easily And some guides even say ssj grade 3 has a x10 multiplier over ssj while ssj3 has x8 now im not saying trunks was ssj3 goku level hell no his base is far too weak to even come close but the form is straight up always called to have insanely high power but shit stamina and speed so it would make sense

@@great159 If Cell was using half power on Goku, Cell's full power would have been much more of a match for SSJ2 Gohan than it was. Cell had to get a massive zenkai boost that also unlocked his SSJ2 form to match him.

PLAIN AND SIMPLE!💯

Even fortune-teller baba could shown them were gero was and what he was doing. Kami too could see anything he wanted to. They didn't use all their resources.

@@thunderlord-nsr6153 does toriyama even remember them? single purpose gag characters tend to disappear when their gags get old.

@@tsm688 She was used in the next arc to bring dead Goku back to the land of the living. And Kami was literally used in this arc so Piccolo could permanently fuse with him.

@@brandonlyon730 I don't think voring a character counts as "using" them, it's throwing them under the bus.

Me too

Piccolo could have defeated Cell but got tricked by a Solar Flare of all things.

Also trunks

Piccolo fighting 17 gave away the location of the androids

@@jonmcknleggTo be fair he couldnt help it and he tried to not sell unlike vegeta and krillin

​@@Sonicmidtrunks used super saiyan grade 3

Yeah. He didn't want Gohan to have that pressure on him leading up to the fight.

⁠​⁠@@shmeebs387Wouldn't that just give him worse pressure being told at the last second? Was he expecting the whole week relaxing with his dad, that his dad was gonna beat Cell, and just then accepted a total change of plan/expectations? Man, Gohan adapted quick to that sudden change.

@@epicfights7898 why was gohan training in the first place?

Gohan knew the entire time Goku wanted him to fight Cell. Goku only fought Cell because 1) He enjoys fights 2) It was expected of him, and 3) He wanted to show Gohan how Cell fought. Goku told Gohan right away in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber the training was for him. @@epicfights7898

Everything for cybersex😂

lets not forget 16, which i highly doubt he'd let a single blast get through him despite his damages and we're talking about a titan as strong as imperfect cell, someone far above krillins league at this point, yeah he wouldn't get dented.

Bro wanted to get laid. He had no issues trying to kill Vegeta when he was down.

And if you DID take away these mistakes, all you're left with are Mary Sue's/Gary Stu's.

​@@trentbell8276yes. Vegeta messing up in cell saga has to be one of the reasons for him to change in super

Vegeta, Yes. But Goku - No. It's not like Piccolo situation when if he died, Kami would die too. And not Vegeta situation who was already beaten badly. Cell was right here as undefeated evil, threatening to destroy the Earth, that place which Goku so sincerely protected before... And now you just give it a Senzu bean? Like he's a training doll? That's Bullshitting.

@@alexzero3736 just say you dont know why goku give cell the senszu bean, also if vegeta didnt let cell reach his perfect from we get to point where goku give him a senzu so its all on vegeta bullshit

i don't mind the mistakes through some of them are Annoying

and in turn, their imperfections is what caused his perfection to fail

Love this comment and reply

which is weird cause he inherited those imperfections that was his downfall, remember how vegeta found out he would be stronger if he absorbed both androids and just made sure he let them? Cell did that to gohan when gohan brought up his rage

Exactly, it’s honestly shocking to me that most don’t see this. It’s literally in the name “Perfect Cell” yet ppl somehow miss that everyone’s mistakes shows how imperfect they are and their mistakes were how they helped create the perfect being. And how being perfect is against the nature of db as it is a series about self improvement and breaking limits meaning u can never be perfect as proven to cell

Lol

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gigachad shitr no lie

Tbf he did not know Vegeta was selling at the same time by letting Cell absorb 18

NPC😊

True but vedita did not spect perfect cell to be so strong and that was a mistege so fair is fair.

Sound like a myth theory to me?

I thought it was a deactivation controller

It was basically the same controller gero had at first, which explicitly deactivated them not destroyed them. Iirc anyway

Still, if Piccolo took out Android 20 while 19 was fighting Goku, leading to Vegeta stepping in like in the original, the threat would’ve been temporarily contained until Trunks came to them with the information that these weren’t the actual androids. They would’ve most likely gone to Gero’s lab like Bulma suggested earlier in the story and find 16, 17, and 18, leading them to either destroy them in suspension or get rid of any programmings that made them a real threat to the cast.

There's still a month...

@@alexzero3736 He never said anything about that part

You people don't seem to understand. Goku KNEW he didn't stand a chance against cell. He witnessed gohans potential for those few seconds and realised how his own power was a joke compared to Gohans 'hidden' power. The mistake is that he thought Gohan would unleash it just by getting beaten up and cornered by cell. He didn't realise that Gohans power lies in protecting others, not himself. In gokus defence, he would never have known. He has rarely ever seen Gohans rage moments.

​@@HSSJ2people forget before gt or super goku need it to be dead to surpass his son and literally ki God is super to an lock new path because his potential is nothing compared to gohan

Thats not a mistake at all, he knew he was perfect and knew he needed no training as he achieved the form he was created for

@@joshuameraz2826 Plus ten days wouldn't have gained Cell much if any strength anyway.

To be fair, Piccolo was trying to figure out Cell's origin/backstory before going for the kill. If he did, they wouldn't have known about Gero's basement, and thus, the Cell growing in that tube.

i was able to better understand dbz after getting into MMA and realizing its basically the same thing, they view the fights in DBZ like mma matches, you want to see who wins the match straight up to prove whos better, not have one guy slash the other guys tires so he never makes it into the ring and call that a win -- both fighters want it to be a real fight so they can see how far their own efforts have taken them

You're not completely wrong, but you're missing the point. They didn't do what they did to follow the trope. It compliments their individual character traits. Vegetas pride was at an all time high after his training. He wanted to prove to everyone and himself what he could do. Since semi perfect cell was weak, his ego wanted him to be stronger so that he could show off some more. Goku didn't give cell a senzu bean because he wanted Gohan to be the superior fighter out of the two at their best. He did it because he believed in Gohan and knew how powerful his hidden potential was. I believe he did it so that cell would be at his best and able to beat up Gohan easily. Goku thought that cell beating him up and cornering him would be enough for Gohan to release everything. He didn't realise Gohans power lies in protecting his loved ones. I also do believe that he did it to make it a 'fair' fight, being a bit too egotistical about Gohans hidden power, which is why I don't say you're completely wrong.

Goku’s depth Goku values his strength because of the events of his life. After losing his parental figure to a “monster”, his helpessness created a will to grow more powerful to defend himself and those around him. He trains to push himself to new heights and defeats the greatest evil in the world, Piccolo, and is then effortlessly defeated by his brother Raditz, When he asks Krillin to spare Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga, he does not out of morality, but out of curiosity of how far he can push himself. He calls himself selfish for this, but makes the choice anyways. This is the first step of Goku’s change as a person, Goku is pure of heart by the standards of the Kinto’un and yet he is innately flawed. His pure mindset is a both a blessing and a curse. He sees the best in people, he wants to be the best he can be, and he assumes that those around him should share his values. Goku puts his son into a situation that he didn’t realize Gohan wasn’t prepared for, and even gives Cell a senzu because hes so confident. Depsite his flaws, Goku is extremly self aware. Towards the end of the Cell Games, he sacrifices himself and apologies to Gohan for not making the best choices. He even chooses to say dead because he realizes that his existence has drawn seveal enemies to Earth, and during the Buu saga, he tries to give the mantle of Earth’s defender to Goten and Trunks that he cant fight all of the battles anymore, even if deep down he wants to. Goku literally abstained from fighting, the one thing he has dedicated his life to his son. Kid Goku is a child all alone in the woods away from society and his lack of understanding of modern technology like cars which he describes as “monsters” is a result of his lack of indoctrination, speaking of indoctrination Kid Goku is a pretty great embodiment of curiosity, and freedom his curiosity is a result of his lack of teachings of subjects in modern society (lack of indoetrination), The flying nimbus is an magic yellow that Goku uses to transport those who have a pure heart are able to ride on the flying nimbus , clouds symbolize clear thinking and emotional purity these fit Goku well seeing how he is pure of heart and has strong set belifes on what is wrong or right, the nimbus also correlates to he freedom in the many way Goku is free is a set purpose or place Identity crisis Identity crisis is the questioning in ones own idenity, once Goku sees Raditz and Raditz unfolds the story to him and his friends about the saiyans their heritage and occupation and just on general how bad of people they are, Goku is quick to say that he isn’t a saiyan and that he is Son Goku from earth. This neglectance of identity isn’t surprising seeing how Goku and the sayians are opposites and have drastically different morals, Goku’s self acceptance Goku’s self acceptance coming from the realization that his saiyan heritage is something that can be used to good in the world to bring peace one might say the saiyan were ruthless and violent and ransacked peoples worlds to sell them when he accepts that’s he is indeed a sayian and tells Frieza he’s the super saiyan Son Goku, echoed through his speech “I am the light in the darkness” Goku here can be referring to himself the good out of the bad. The one good saiyan out of the many evil saiyans, Affect on world Goku’s affect on his world is the affect on his friends who eventually became his enemies and the whole physical world, Goku in the cell saga knew that if he kept residing on earth his friends said everyone else would be in danger so it was convenient he could use transporting cell to the king kai’s place and also just leave earth for the sake of peace In moral philosophy, deontological ethics or deontology is the normative ethical theory that morality of an action should be based on whether that action itself is right or wrong under a series of rules, rather than based in the consequences of the action, Goku has always kept this philosophy with him since a kid and this connects with his sacrifice great. Goku always had his morals over the consequences we can see this a lot with his interactions with vegetea ginyu and frieza, We saw many instances when Goku has put his morals above the consequences. For example, with his battle with Vegeta he could’ve killed Vegeta and bring peace. But he chose to let him alive because of his moral code and to fight him again. With Frieza he had the chance to kill him and yet he let him live becuase again he let his morals take over him and didn’t see the consequences Battle stance In saiyan saga goku and vegeta stance and position are contrast of each other. While Goku sgands below Vegeta showing that he is the low class warrior also shows his view on strength. Goku was always taught that there was always someone stronger than him while Vegeta was taught he was destined to be the strongest and Vegeta looking down shows that he believes that he is the strongest and his strength is complete. While Goku looking up shows how he believes that his strength us limitless and that there are others stronger than him. Both of their stance show how they were trained, Goku stance presents the turtle hermit school, they move low and find a weakness and strategies, Vegeta represent the elite saiyan training and how the fight full offensive seeing how both hands show are prepared to strike in showing his nature as a saiyan Spirit bomb vs great ape Goku and Vegeta main attacks contrast each other in the saiyan saga. The spirit bomb is said to take energy from your enviorment and goku being a saiyan yet denies his nature and stays with his nurture or his enviorment and it is also said that the spirit bomb is stronger when it absorbs the sun. Vegeta on the other hand uses his saiyan nature as his trump card which is great ape form and it is to be said to be powered up by the moon showing how goku symbolises the sun (being clear and self) while vegeta symbolize the moon (being a shadow and blocks the light) these two attacks symbolise their nature vs nature Both Goku and Vegeta were confusion on who they were. Goku was in conflict with his saiyan nature and we can see him in conflict with his own morals and identity where he spares nappa out of the goodness of his hear (nurture) while he spares Vegeta because he wants to fight him again (nature). We can see more of this in his fight with Frieza and how he toys with him, says he’s going to kill him, and is drowning in anger (nature) he also speares him, gives him ki, lets him leave (nurture). Vegeta is going throught the same thing but is apposite as well. Vegeta is in conflict with his humanity and his saiyan nature. He can’t see to understand who he truly is which leads him to Majin Vegeta and Vegeta putting up a facade while deep down he isn’t him true self. He even goes to greater lengths and abandon his own mortality to gain strength. What’s great is that they were facing the person who had the biggest impact on them in their entire lives. Goku to frieza and vegeta to goku. Another is how it contast their nature vs nurture dynamic where vegeta was in conflict with his nurture while goku was in conflict with his nature Nationalism vs patriroism Vegeta and Goku ideology both contrast each other as well. Vegeta ideology being nationalism and Goku being patriotism shows how they both took pride and identified with their race. This difference is how they toke in reactions when they witness the flows of the saiyan race tries to deny it and live in this false ideology that they are the perfect warrior which would cause him to go majin vegeta (trying to return the status of the saiyan race which vegeta believes are the perfect warrior) What I love about this part of the dynamic is how it showed the difference of Goku and Vegeta in terms of being free. Goku believing that humanity can move forward hows how free goku is while vegeta can get over the past and is blind by it Sacrifice Goku and Vegeta sacrifice parallel each other perfectly. Both Goku and Vegeta desire caused more harm to the people they vared about that caused more good to themselves. We can see this with Vegeta and Buu and how Vegeta’s tubborness caused buu to be revived. For Goku was his actions with the red ribbon army and his desire to fight which caused more harm than good. Both Goku and Vegeta said similar thing when they were about to sacrifice themselves. We can’t beat him by fighting. I’ve been thinking and I can’t come up with any other way to leave the earth” Both of these showed that they were looking past fighting and showing that these sacrifice mean something other than any fighting tenchqiues. They even saw a reflection of themselves when fighting Buu and Cell. What’s ironic about these two sacrifices is that both enemies back which showed how it was never themselves to being with and that it was someone one. They both contraduct themselves, Goku ppannrd in to stay away from earth and leave it to the next generation but then chooses to come back and help Gohan. Vegeta when coming back after sacrifing himself fights the same way and contradicts himself again. Written by Anco

I always found that funny when looking back at the Raditz fight. In that neither Goku or Piccolo had issues fighting 2 on 1 and take advantage of a weakened opponent twice.

raditz stole gokus son so i dont think they viewed it as a proper fight from the start@@brandonlyon730

Yeah, that was dumb as fuck. The "instant" teleporting is, well, literally, instantaneous. The moment he decides to do it, he can teleport cell to the afterlife, and bring kaio and his pets back in literally less time than it took him to say goodbye to gohan.

It made more sense in the Manga than the Anime. In the Manga, the events happened instantaneously. When Cell began to self destruct, Goku immediately teleported himself with Cell without much fanfare, and when he teleported to King Kai's planet, Cell instantly exploded, rather than waiting for the chit chat between Goku and King Kai. The Events in Anime were just that, additional seconds pushed in to give an emotional farewell.....

In the manga there's very little time for him to actually do anything

A theory i personally believe is that goku did it so that cell would be cocky and try to see how strong gohan can be (Vegeta genes be like) cuz cell would most likely just decide to finish gohan up fast if he realized he was low on energy

​@@pixelspixelation6418that's true

Yeah, that's why I don't mark things like "Piccolo should have killed Cell when he was at his weakest" as a mistake but Vegeta actively aiding Cell to get to his final form as a mistake. There were moments where, even just considering what the characters knew in the moment, dumb decisions were made when the obvious choice was staring them down.

Super Saiyan Grade 3 is nonsensical anyway. Up until that point *and afterward for that matter* the stronger you were the faster you were. Things like height and bulk only really mattered in Dragonball if the power level of the opponent and thus speed was close to your own. SSJ Grade 3 made Trunks stronger than Cell, therefore he should've been faster than Cell too. The form basically existed to give Trunks a loss and show off Perfect Cell, not out of consistency.

Dbz is very flawed, ngl

Namek Saga is the best saga by far👍

I think his avatar is meant to be human

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Very good point. I mean if krillin thought about killing her after shutting her down, and he liked her well just think about trunks and his hellish future. Maybe trunks had realized that in this time line 17 and 18 were decent people, but that doesn't explain krillins conflict plus we know right after the battle that he doesn't want to help 16 and still hates them. So why should he not just blow her up when he had the chance. We know that it's not an honorable way to defeat someone, but trunks is the one always trying to make more rational decisions, like in the cell games with goku

​@@jasonelmore9527trunks wouldn't have thought they were good, tbf they had already killed loads of innocent humans. There's no reason why trunks didn't just kill 18 tbh

@fweshy274 they killed everyone in the future they came across, but in the main timeline, they only killed Dr. Gero and some of the bikers that were attacking the van they stole, but part of that was filler. They were going after goku because 16 was still determined to kill him and 17 and 18 needed something to do, but they didn't start the fight with vegeta and the others, they left them alive and 17 even admired vegeta fighting alone. He only stepped in when trunks and the rest joined in to help. Compare that to the future where they both ganged up on the z fighters and even killed regular people for no other reason than for fun. You're right, trunks didn't think that, not at the time at least. He mentioned to the future versions of them that the present ones weren't as bad but he wouldn't have thought that at the time since he still refused to help 16. You can't blame him for that, but you can blame him for not just killing 18 right there. It might be a stretch to just kill her out of the blue with no warning but we know trunks usually doesn't mess around, he's not like the other fighters who keep giving their enemies a chance to get stronger

You'll have to blame the anime for that. In the manga, Trunks didn't have the opening to do that.

@@nousername191 Makes sense. ‘Cause I keep thinking of that moment in DBZA where Trunks yells at 18 “Blow yourself up or leave! I don’t care which!”. And while it would obviously disrupt the rest of the arc, it really feels weird that he wouldn’t take the first opportunity to kill her, especially after his furious reaction to Krillin destroying the detonator.

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To be fair he didn’t know about cell and as we saw was easily defeated so the only thing he could do was stay alive just long enough to blow up the Time Machine and accept that his timeline was doom and at least let another timeline not fall to the same fate which would make a interesting story

And look at where it got him

​@@paulbrown4917no spine & broken pride

Just because it's saiyan pride doesn't mean it wasn't a mistake

@@paulbrown4917 no shit, that's how it is

@@ddhhdhdhdhd no shit

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I think namek might still be a bit sore about vegeta