The Many Scandals of Zelda Speedrunning 

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I like the idea that speed runners finish a game as fast as possible just because they hate it

You cannot imagine the sheer disappointment I have upon learning that the category isn’t actually called “Push Ganon in front of an SUV”

That GDQ couch has seen some stuff through its life. A true legendary artefact of the gamer category.

Alright, now all we need is The Many Scandals of Sonic the Hedgehog speedrunning to finish the holy triforce of popular series speedrunning.

That ACE part at the end is legitimately insane. The fact that you can program ALL OF THAT IN THE FUCKING GAME ON THE FLY is absolutely BLOWING MY MIND

Zelda speedrunners been real quiet since the 30 seconds this video was posted.

"Mandelorian Effect" I actively sat there and felt the gears turning in my mind for a good few seconds before I knew what you were even talking about

you make very unimportant events about nerds bickering seem like crucial milestones in history. love it

I'm laughing way too hard at the quick piss joke

I do wanna point out that the RNG-based debris in the cutscene was actually the main reason, his recording software was laggy but it wasn't remotely laggy enough to account for the time difference we saw! The length of that cutscene can vary, usually between high 1:09 and mid 1:11 or so, but in extreme cases it can go even further. Also damn the way I tweeted when I was 16 was somewhat hard to read LOL The FastWii meme lives on to this day though, 7 years later

Speedrunning is the one subject that can go from fascinating all the way to petty and pathetic.

Gotta give huge props to Geologie for sponsoring you again after they saw the flesh room! Love the ad sections and the effort you put into them mate!

18:26 “Push Ganon in Front of an SUV” got me good lmao

Didnt speedrunners figure out to play the entire Ocarina of Time in 5 minutes from a demo of it in a different game? Some crazy stuff there.great video many kudos to you sir.

i remember when that first one went down and i was like "dude, has everyone in the speedrunning community never noticed the explosions coming from the castle are randomized??? i thought that was pretty obvious given all the times i've played this game, that explosion looks different and the amount of lag in the cutscene changes a bit each playthrough. this isn't rocket science and it's absurd that guy was even accused of cheating when this was a very easily provable thing that happens frequently in the game.

I love Manys Candals, honestly the best series.

when i showed my mom a speedrun involving ACE, we both collectively agreed that it is literal magic

People getting mad that they were duped or tricked by the TASBot ACE thing really need to chill. Those reddit comments sounded like they came from people who'd built a career doing public speaking tours based on false information, and not someone who watched a RU-vid video that they skipped the start of.

When you said he had a fast wii I genuinely thought you meant he took a quick piss during the speedrun LMAO

That unregistered hypercam footage went to full motion cd rom real fast. Great edit

I remember having to watch that GDQ Triforce thing a couple times over to figure out exactly what was dug up from the cart and what was theoretical but I thought I had just missed something, I didn't know other people had the same problem

I never got the controversy with the savestate thing. They literally started it off with an explanation that it was an ACE showcase and then an explanation of how ACE works and what it does. Then they ramped their way up from using ACE to dig up beta content to using ACE to introduce custom N64 stuff to really blowing the lid off by using ACE to recreate BotW in N64 and read fucking Twitch chat. Its not like the beta content and custom content were all mixed together; they actively led with beta and then did the rumor stuff. If you missed the initial explanation and came in late, that isn't their fault for not explaining it. You just missed the introduction.

that's the thing, you gotta fucking love the guys on the TAS team they are so creative and whenever they show up they steal the show

Great vid and fair coverage too. The TASBot OoT run was seriously amazing to see live, I guess I was lucky enough to understand the jargon and pieced together that it was mostly a love letter (and seriously neat segment) to the infinite amount of rumors that were rampant in Ye Olde Internet Days.

ZFG is absolutely right about the accessibility. You can run with emulators, wiivc, nso and even original hardware that are WAY more accessible to runners rather than the iQue.

Amazing, I was really expecting this video and loved its coverage. One of the things I missed was the "glitchless" drama. You know it was a real drama when glitchless, glitch-less, bug limit, restricted, unrestricted, glitchless any% and All Main Quest were all names coined during that era and comes from the "same" category, lol (Also, the TSA Sub 5 run, for the boomers out there 😅)

18:20 i just want to admit, i'm so used to joke and meme categories, that i genuinely believed "push ganon in front of an suv" was a category, until i decided to actually check if it was real, only to be infinitely disappointed.

I can think of nothing more accurate to speedrunners on Reddit than being given an hour long, amazing tribute to the community and going 'yes but how can I find a way to be upset about it?'

Speedrunning is especially popular in New Zeland because, as we all know, time moves faster over there

Man the sponsors must finally be paying him his worth cause he's not even making fun of them anymore

The tasbot savestate run was beautiful.

Just so it's clear, we did not use TASBot to put a McDonald's into OoT, but we indeed could have, heh

20:45 "the pause menu seems to imply that the triforce is obtainable", uh those triangles obviously look raised, not recessed slots for the surrounding circles. Look at bright vs dark sides of the hexagonal lines both connecting and surrounding the circles. One is carved in, the other depicts a raised platform. The triforce is simply decorative here

Was gonna skip the ad, then you called me out by name... the terror of a man calling my name in a skin room paralyzed me long enough for you to read the whole thing. Good job.

You know, if you had a shorts channel you should call it MiniKudos.

Given how other game communities address things like peripherals, and time differences in language...I am confused as to why this was an issue. Like any competitive setting, you do need to arbitrate some set of standards. For most games, Amiibos are just free resources, and are not a component of game balance. Meaning they should be excluded unless needed otherwise. (Ex. Ganondorf's amiibo and Twilight Princess/Windwaker damage increase.) Testing how quickly someone can swipe a card across their switch controller is not relevant to their ability to play the game. Other communities have also arbitrated to hold the clock during cutscenes and fixed conversations. Completely removing the "faster language" issue. The severity of these concerns seems invented due to a lack of overall standardization.

Wasn't expecting too see Triforce% on here and honestly didn't realize there was some controversy with it but it makes me happy that most people got enjoyment out of it. I got too help do a lil animation and blocking out for the Breathe of the Wild segment. Was awesome too be a part of something that made so many people happy and seeing people still talk about it.

Genuinely surprised Amiibos weren't just immediately banned or separated to a diff category...It feels like a common sense thing to disallow or at least ban duplicates...

Imagine going to a magic show, seeing someone get sawed in half, and your mind is blown. Then your mom tells you its just a trick. Your only option is clearly to wail about the deception on reddit.

Top content! Loved the part about the Zelda speedrunning!

I love the legend of Zelda series. The puzzles were so simple but i felt like the smartest person solving them :)

Triforce % is the OoT version of someone deciding that they were gonna glitch reality to make Santa real.

"It's pizza time" should be the universal anthem of speedrunners.

That Unregistered Hypercam 2 watermark hit me right in the 2000s

"So if it wasn't the Wiis, what Wiis it?" This is why they pay you the big bucks

Considering karl jobsts' sense of humour you could bring him on beef boys or even collab on speedrunning if you were to do more s/r many scandals

Fastly becoming my favorite RU-vidr. Informative videos about nerdy topics that I'm quite interested in, and hilarious to boot. The quick piss joke made me laugh like a 9 year old for a solid three minutes lol.

I love how tame this video is. Why are LoZ speedrunners so wholesome? The actual saints of the speedrunninh community

Thanks for pointing out the AGDQ run I’m glad I didn’t miss that

your videos are so entertaining, really happy everytime you upload! keep grinding brother

My favorite ACE "speedrun" is the run of pokemon yellow you can find here on RU-vid. Its INSANE

The GDQ Zelda Celebration was an amazing and beautiful segment, and the people that threw a fit about it were just mad that they were reminded of their own lack of common sense and basic reasoning.

Can't wait to see the insane strats and times coming up after today for ToTK

I like the video, "Mad Katz tried to recreate a Dreamcast" is downright funny as an iQue descriptor. Just a slight thing: it's a bit of a misconception that a Chinese character in Mandarin Chinese is the equivalent of an entire English word. That said, it's only because there's quite a few two character words, and some rarer three character words. The rule of thumb is about 1.5 Chinese characters to an English word. It doesn't really change that Chinese characters take up less space on a page or in a text box, especially since a word one or two character word will take up 2 or 4 spaces on the computer since they're often typed out full-width, as opposed to however many letters, doubly so since even though spaces and punctuation are also full-width, they're used more sparingly in Chinese compared to English. This is why Chinese papers and books tend to be fewer pages even though there's more discrete words: fewer characters (as in letters and junk) required. Let's get into some math to say more exactly why Chinese is often faster for speedruns. It is still relevant here, as it is in the original Resident Evil 3 speedrunning since there's an official PC release from Taiwan of that game. So a 1000 word English essay might be roughly 3 pages double-spaced. The Chinese equivalent would be around 1500 characters and about 2 pages. OoT, as you said, prints out the text one character at a time so Chinese is faster. That might seem weird to some people reading this since alphabets are different to the Chinese logographs and we're not used to thinking about written language that way. I also don't have the visual aid of the video. But anyway, 1000 words in English is going to be roughly 4000-5000 characters. Assuming a constant ratio 3:1 characters (4500/1500) and assuming a consistent rate of text printing between versions, we can then assume that Chinese will be about 3 times faster on average. There is a weakness in this calculation in that it doesn't count spaces or punctuation though. To use an actual, albeit simple example, compare "I like you." with its three words to Chinese “我喜歡你。” (*Note, "like" actually turned into the two middle characters because it's a two character word) First, we'll count spaces and punctuation, that brings "I like you." to a total of 11. ”我喜歡你。“ is actually 5 by this metric. What looks like a space after the full stop is not. It's a result of using full-width characters. Seriously, you can check by highlighting it and copy/pasting somewhere else to delete or whatever. It just has it's own personal space built-in. Anyway, again assuming the game prints the text at the same character per second speed across versions, we would expect the Chinese text to finish about 2.2 times faster than English. If we change the expression to "I love you." we can get it down to four total characters, which would be 2.75 times faster.

Here Together still gives me chills. I remember watching it live and crying

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Just starting watching your videos mate, keep up the good work, I love this format of content!

loved the commentary! thank you for the video. :)

18:24 i really wanted “push ganon in front of an SUV” to be a real category

I love these speedeun documentaries

I feel a lot of the people who complained about the TASBot either don't fully appreciate or still don't understand how amazing the showcase was. When they said, this is an original cart, they meant it. It IS a ROMhack, but the it didn't start as a romhack, TASBot was using ACE to inject code into a standard cart, it was effectively BUILDING a ROM hack in real time with just controller inputs. The fact that some of this data wasn't in the cart at all just makes the ACE injection that much more impressive. Either they don't understand what that means, or they're mad that their 30 minutes of validation wasn't real. It all being beta content would technically be the least impressive aspect of that showcase and all they care about is getting their own misconception ripped away from them. Shouldn't that be a good thing, one last chance to feel that mysterious childlike wonder for an old school rumor that you should have known was fake, I'd give anything for that, and instead that money went to charity.

Woo, my fav Zelda speed runner was talked about in this. ZFG for life. Gonna go watch some of streams that I missed on his VOD channel later lol

first time watching your videos and i love the humor so far. subbed !

Maybe I'm revealing how terminally online I am but Kudos, Peach Cobbler, Munecat, and Ordinary Things all dropping videos on the same day the TOTK reviews drop has me froffing in my seat. It's a bloody good day on RU-vid.

Oh my god that ACE part was ridiculously cool! Screw the haters

I want you to know I watched that whole segment just for the McDonalds temple that you lied about and it was still one of the best segments from GDQ I've ever seen, definitely checking out this year's

much like any time i get for drunning a game, the puns in this video are off the charts, well done

He made an unexpected unregistered hypercam 2 joke, give him 10 million subs.

I find it funny how I discovered you through internet historian and these videos are getting better and better every upload so now I'm hyped when I see one. Good job you beefy some bitch

The process, execution, and finding the strat to begin with makes ACE incredible. But nothing compares to watching skater scream and hyperventilate as he clutches clipping into the castle at the end of a run.

You know, there’s been many youtubers out there that do the “call the viewer by a specific name to spook a few of them” joke (look at you Click) but this was the first time my name got called out and it was for a goddamn ad read for skin care lol

oh wow, i actually remember triforce%. super impressive showcase. i had no idea it led to a controversy it was _really_ weird and kind of cringe that they mixed in beta content with what was effectively heaps upon heaps of fanfic that wasn't clearly distinguished as such, but it doesn't seem worth actually getting mad over. sounds like a weird situation all around

I feel like most of these scandals are so simply solved by adding categories. I don't get why the community is ao against that.

Surprised the time that in a link to the past speedrun was found out to be spliced years later when the game was finally cracked and it turned out that the random pattern the first and final bosses use aren’t entirely random but pseudo random and they share the token didn’t make it in

This happens any time dwango does anything as of late. He’s way too entertained by his own shenanigans and doesn’t know where the line is let alone when he crosses it

Speedrunners aren't completing it as fast as they can because they hate it, they're trying to experience it as many times as possible in one lifetime

How does this man not have at least 500k?! Edit- i do think mans brain is like 70% euphamisms and analogies

Not too into speed running or Zelda but I dig the channel and figured I'd give it a watch. I've got to hand it too ya man, after watching the entire vid, I can honestly say that I still dont give a fek about either of them. Gj man, keep up the good work

I liked and subscribed just because of how honest (and funny) your advertisement was.

Man speed runners always look like such tools xD

trust reddit to get that buthurt over a joke that was actually good

17:50 "ACE involves using an offensive amount of glitches" I'm stealing that 🤣

I don't understand a lot of speedrun arguments as most of them can just be solved by making a seperate category.

I love the many Effeminate Outifits of Zelda

As i play breath of the wild tears of the kingdom, i listen to you serenade me with hilarious facts. What a time to be alive.

I also love zelda and I'm glad you made this video thank you

The cosmo ique arc of oot speedrunning was truly peak speedrunning era lmao

The man who shows us an embarrassing childhood photo of such exceptional awkwardness is a man who could definitely Speedrun Zelda Honorably yet competitively.

now that you’ve brought up the subject of the ique i’d just like to point out that ive seen “ique localization” listed in the credits of several official switch games made by nintendo but have literally never seen anyone mention it before. i have so many unanswered questions

This dude won me over whith his ad read, never seen that before lol

Time to bust that Zelda song that's definitely not by System of a Down 😎

Redditors hate fun.

Been waiting for this release

You’re the funniest of the speedy explainers

I'm surprised RunnerGuy would say the Japanese version of the cart is a weird middle ground. No, it's the fastest available *on original hardware*. There are typically two types of speedrun categories - those that allow emulation, and those that don't. The iQue would fit in the emulation category, because it's not original hardware. And in that case, it's probably fine, as could its hardware really be so powerful as to compete with modern computer hardware? And indeed, while they do allow emulation on the leaderboards, they don't allow it for times within 10% of the record. So it's basically a "hey, you can show off your speedruns done with an emulator, but if you want to compete at the top you have to use some form of official hardware". If you're going to allow some random Chinese knock off console, then you're basically opening the door to allowing anyone to design their own speedrun maximised console. Which, is fine, as long as the category allows emulators (at which point, you'd just use a PC).

It took me halfway through the first segment to realise the scandal wasn’t about someone taking a piss during a soeedrun

Lmaoo not gonna lie.. that first 30seconds I was already hooked. Funny script, man. Love it. Great video!

Finally you're getting the attention you deserve. Your quality content used to have less than 100k views and I was like "bruh"...

14:28 thats why theres tons of companies selling little plastic amiibo chips for a fraction of the price now. I got every single zelda amiibo chip for 9 bucks lol