The Marvels - How Marvel Hurt Itself Today | Anatomy of a Failure 

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I actually enjoyed The Marvels & felt it was a better film than Eternals, Thor 4, & Ant-Man 3 since the story while not long was fine, it had decent jokes, multiple good fight scenes, & the 3 actresses did a good job together.

I would love a Video on The Boy and The Heron like how to do an Iskeai Right or Encanto video on how to write a movie without a villian

Unstoppable movie made by Tony Scott

I’m surprised people are saying “Deadpool will save the MCU” even after all the disappointment

​@@firstlast9846Yeah like that's not how it works and from what I'm hearing on the new Blade movie it's not looking good that Blade actor wants out

This level of film-school acting neither ...

​@@firstlast9846 Deadpool: I am good... but I need good writers to fix this mess!

Yep, sitcom-level writing is one of the major issues why these are failing. The excessive girl power moments and characters are a problem for some audiences, sure, but they would easily look past that if the movies surrounding these characters were good. Even Thor flopped hard, because they decided to go too far with the cringe joke moments, which evoked groans from even general audiences who usually lap up what Hollywood puts out.

Lol😂

Yo same. Like I saw her just now and was like “she looks adorable wtf”

@@sadboijokes Same here. I just want to make her some hot chocolate, get her a blankie and say "There there, the nasty Captain Marvel can't hurt you here"

Oh thank God, I'm not the only one. She just looks like a sweet, soft person. And as she tries to be intimidating it just makes her look more adorable. 😅 For real, cast her as the nice big sister, aunt, mom or any other supportive side character. Leave the villain roles to people who can actually sell them.

Well she looks mean and has a lot of spaceships. Hitler also never looked very intimidating.

13:55 XD

Even a line saying the ai ran the Dyson sphere or the civil war made it so no one could maintain it would be enough.

​@@orangecat504Exactly. Some of you need to be spoon-fed explanations. Like the video implies over and over, MORE exposition is needed for the adults watching a movie suitable for children. @vjnt1star Captain Marvel says she destroyed the Supreme Intelligence therefore she's the reason their sun is dying. The SI manipulated the environment of Hela such that without it, it became unstable. My 13 year old who suffers cognitive impairment understood this, by the way.

@@None17555 there is such thing as to much showing like for example Event Horizon

The answer is yes

PTA mom! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 that was a roast

Hell yessssssss lol even my mom is more intimidating than her...oh and my sister is more intimidating than my mom lol... I would be terrified if my sister had those power ups...

That's by no means new information. Not even Iron Man 1 had a finished script before filming began.

@@Pythagoras180 That may be true, but there's a difference between 2007 Marvel Studios making its first movie on a tight schedule with an even tighter budget and the bloated, lazy hacks from Disney Marvel Studios of 2022 (or whenever they filmed this stupid movie).

Memeable scenes? So you mean that Morbius is everything that MCU aspires to create.

It's incredibly stupid because Thanos is the most popular MCU meme and it's precisely because all his lines are solid.

When that dude said "don't ask questions just consume product" i don't think he realized how right he was

And just how long was their sun dying before the idea of just restarting it ever occurred to them??

See, that’s an actual valid criticism of the movie. Not all the nonsense you hear from weirdos in these comments, saying that she’s a “villain” who thinks she’s doing everything right, despite her whole arc in the movie revolving around the shame she feels for handling something the wrong way, and trying to undo the damage. Saying that arc could have been done better is valid. Villainizing the whole character? it reveals the real problem these creep chuds have with her.

When was science or even logic the strong side of superhero movies?

@@arctic_haze We don't ask for much; there has to be "just enough" logic for it to work. We know it's just a movie, but if there's a problem at a basic level, we will point it out, even in 'just a movie.'

@@mattdamutt5681 I find it really hilarious when fans of the superhero genre ignore the ridiculousness of their premise for decades but suddenly remember it when they dislike a movie, sometime even without watching it. Of course the sun thing was ridiculous in The Marvels but for me (a physicist) the energy source of almost everything the superheroes do is equally ridiculous. I watch the genre the way I watch fairy tales, that is without questioning the magic.

*X'D*

When the only stand out successes of the Current MCU is a movie made by Sony (NWH) and a movie directed by the guy who’s now gonna run the competition (GOTG 3), you know the MCU is a shell of its former self.

Since the MCU is doing just fine, and isn't in need of any saving, now that She-Hulk has more or less been super-retconned, so your comment just makes no sense tbh.

How is the MCU "doing just fine"? Didn't they recently release a series that virtually no one watched?

@@lexruptor How did you travel to this world from your alternate dimension?

​@@lexruptor multiple of their movies after Endgame didn't reach "Break-even point" and are losing money. They are NOT doing fine

​​​​@@lexruptor the movie about the poster child of the MCU that has literally the same name as the company resulted in a net loss at the box office. It's not fine, it's dramatic in fact. People are losing faith in the new direction and it shows

Yeah the multiverse of madness script wasn't even finished when they started shooting. The writer was having to come up with stuff on the fly just so the actors would have something to do on set that day. It's obvious Disney thinks flashy lights and spamming CGI is all anyone enjoys about movies. Writing has always been the strongest pillar of any movie, so if the writing is completely ignored, the movie has NOTHING. Doesn't matter how much money you spend, no actor and no CGI artist can save a script that's bad, or a script that doesn't even exist.

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​@@InevitableOption-ic2vx wtf the "depressing ending" sounds much more interesting!😭 So much potential and they RUINED IT

This comment is everything to me. People blame so much random shit. But its all just lazy fucking writing.

Disney buying Marvel was the worst thing for the franchise.

Not when she knew it would happen and was hoping it would destroy the Solar System.

So in raiders of the lost arc all stakes are gone?

inthe sense the whole thing was pointless because the arc kills everyone who opens itand sees.@@TheDCbiz

because she didn't touch it when the entanglement happened. no, it doesn't have to make sense ;)

@@horace6851 :D

We may never know.

Because readons

They didn't even figure out a different way to beat the villain, she just got stabbed by a falling object and then disintegrated herself. Not like Kamala was right there with the same artifact that she had a deeper connection to and more experience with, and had been hoping for a chance to prove her worth the whole movie.

She needs to be called what she is...the villain...she is a genocide who believes she is doing good, classic villain to believe that they are the saviors...plus this would leave everyone happy, if she is the "bad guy" they kill her In the end, Marvel gets rid of the PR Brie Larson nightmare, the fans who hate Brie are happy....and the fans who love her...well, those don't even go to the movies....so...happy ending.

thats real feminism

Yeah, it doesn't work in this case, because what she DID was destroy the malevolent AI trying to commit genocide and manipulate her into being its pawn. There was fallout from that, but she didn't make them go to war. She didn't' make them wreck their planet. And quite frankly, what any of that has to do with their star is beyond me, so lets just mark that one down to shitty writing. What was she supposed to do? LET the S.I. keep trying to wipe out the Skrulls and bend her to its weill? Was she just supposed to send it a harshly worded email and hope it listens? JFC.

what good is "character development" when it's at the cost of garbage, shitty writing? at that point it's as if it didn't even happen in my opinion... and that extends to all sorts of media, not just marvel.

it's like a new iphone, someone will buy it. Instead of lets make something people will care about.

In other words: to keep the mouse fed.

And increasingly dependent on you having watched all the previous stuff, to encourage brand loyalty.

Machiavellian monetization is hard to ignore. It affects many industries in many ways, from the planned obsolescence of phones and lightbulbs to deliberately creating software with less basic features than what came before, just to sell them back to you with a monthly subscription. But it’s not where we began today, and I’m not even sure that it’s the biggest issue with big-budget blockbusters.

@@razorback9999able Capitalism is one half encouraging people to pursue profit above all else, and one half reacting in shock when people pursue profit above all else.

It was pretty good though

At least people knew who Hawkeye was. How did Ms Marvel even know who Captain Marvel was? Didn't most of her movie happen in outer space with Nick Fury keeping it secret? Okay, she punched Thanos, but so did a lot of people.

@@ShadowSonic2 no it was not stop defending mcu stop this marvel Dick ridding

@@selalewow She knew because Captain Marvel did stuff on Earth during the 5 year timeskip.

I find more entertainment watching that battle Simulator game tbh.

two big cgi armies clashing together and the heroes just casually quiping with each other while fighting

What's funny is our pop culture concept of "battle" is two army blobs smacking into eachother head-on, but infantry battles have always used strategies and tactics besides just "suicide charge with big numbers." That said, it's possible to justify the tactics-less battle nonsense in a story. Have it be a show of force from an arrogant leader who wants to shock-and-awe his prey. Or a vindictive bastard set on razing the place. Or a panicking villain on the back foot, hurling everything everywhere in hope something sticks.

that's why it felt so empty to me when the chitari-whatever aliens invaded New York in the first Avengers

I would rather have practical armies like the canceled Napoleon movie

No, no, you see, normally stuff comes out of the portal, this time, stuff goes in. They've revolutionized the whole concept. Truly the ramifications of such an event are simply too mind boggling for mere mortals such as ourselves to comprehend.

@@RorikH oh okay that makes sense I'm an idiot

Blue laser beam in sky is peak kino.

Not to mention that the portal looked like something only a flat-earther would think of. Maybe that was their target audience.

​@@RorikH This is the greatest damn reply I've ever seen. This deserves to go on a billboard.lmao 😂😂😂😂

you a real one!

That's because a lot of people find both villains completely forgettable.

I hate when youtubers make obvious errors just to farm engagement. Yes, I am adding to the commentary, which I hate, but honestly find it corny when they do this. He obviously had to know the name to source that stock photo of Ronan.

I like Ronin a He'll of a lot more than Malekith...😂😂😂 Ronin had presence... He had a good amount of bloodlust and told Thanos that he would be coming for him after he took the power stone...

ronan the accuser not ronin

@@simseezyis it really farming engagement or is it just a gag lmao

Ah yes, Emperor President Skroob, best villain ever.

They do, in fact, commence Operation: VacuSuck

​@@TheSpawnfanHAIL SCROOB!

SUCK... SUCK..... SUCK ...SUCK....

Suck! Suck! Suck!

I got one! "Chimichanga? Chimi-chuck-it-in-the-bin."

That could make for funny satire.

Do you mean the Squirrel Girl movie?

And if Deadpool did that, you'd eat it up

@@ShadowSonic2 no because that will never happen he needed team to beat Jaggernaut

Usually doesnt start well either

Well, it's nice that in here people recognize the fault lies in the corpo. In other breakdowns of The Marvels, they pin it on the women.

​@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdomCorpo wasn't an issue pre-Endgame, so what gives? All you hear is about color and sex with these new movies, being the first whatever whatever. What about talking about the movie itself? And then when it flops, they blame men/white people (don't tell me this isn't true, directors and actors have said as much in interviews).

@@chomosuke0720 And that doesn't sound corpo to you? They literally using sex and colors as gimmicks. Multiverse Saga already has more contents than Infinity Saga despite being half its age. Get off the programming, son.

@@chomosuke0720 it was. People were just hooked like the salmon in the lake.

I don't remember anyone complaining when the people who did "Joker" did that...

​@ShadowSonic2 they were good writers though

Ali Selim avoided classic comic book story arc. “When I took this job, the first thing Marvel said to me was 'don't read the comics, they have nothing to do with this series'.”

Who is that?

Riiiiight. Remember when that whole "Mutants in the MCU!" was a big deal?

@@BlackThreath1234beast from the x men

@@Tododesdemienfoque ohh thanks. So the old X-Men are now in the MCU?

@@BlackThreath1234 They have been making appearances in the alternative universes they've shown in movies like Doctor Strange 2 and The Marvels, none have been introduced in the main storyline/timeline as far as I know. Deadpool 3 is also bringing back Wolverine via the alternate universe/timeline thing. Basically being used as gimmicks right now because these characters were popular, and I'm guessing when they do introduce mutants in the main timeline (Kamala Khan is one, as revealed in her show), they will have new actors and new characters instead of being the same characters they were in the X-Men movies.

This is why I despise studio meddling and test audiences. They got some bad feedback for the concept of a musical planet, so they shortened it instead of sticking to their guns and doing cool stuff with the concept. I don’t think the writers or directors are actually to blame in that regard. It’s a huge problem in the entertainment industry today.

​@@suicunesriderAnd I feel sorry for the Korean guy because he was in it for a short time.

​@@suicunesriderI do! This is not a MUSICAL! The music moments should not be too long.

And then there's people like me, who doesn't have disney plus and has been left to rot because there's no way to understand the movies without it. Imagine my surprise and utter disappointment when I go to watch Dr. Strange 2 in theaters, expecting a continuation of DOCTOR STRANGE, just to not understand what the hell anyone was talking about because I didn't watch the tv show about wandavision. omfg.

@@zylahnuri7064 My sister has Disney+, so I've used her account on rare occasion, but you exactly illustrate the point I'm making even further. I had seen Wandavision, so I understood Dr. Strange 2, but for people who hadn't, they'd have no idea who the F these two kids are that Wanda is so hung up about, they'd have no idea where that magic book came from, etc. as you are saying.

Honestly, it's how I feel about the comics (DC and Marvel) in general. At a certain point, the universe becomes too big and bloated with characters and content that even dedicated fans will have a hard time keeping up. And that's even before getting into alternate timelines and alternate universes.

Yup. I loved the first Iron Man, it was uncomplicated and didn't require 40+ hours research and consuming other media to understand the plot. They only had references and teases/sequel bait relevant to Iron Man, like Terrence Howard commenting on the War Machine suit. The pacing was well thought out and didn't scream along at breakneck speed cuz they had 3 hours of backstory they needed to throw at you to understand the context of the movie. It's ridiculous.

The MCU is going down the same path that has doomed the comics for most casual fans or “normies”. Unless you’re a die hard, most of us don’t have the patience to sit through hours of content or read through assorted storylines just to enjoy one thing. Don’t ever make your entertainment into homework.

Ronan the Dark Elf

The rest of this was so uninformed I couldn't tell if it was a joke or not. Glad to see it was, because I won't be watching anymore of this crap.

@@None17555 What, the video or the movie?

Why does a musical planet even exist in an action superhero movie - let alone one that's supposed to be taken seriously? (Well, I assume it wanted people to take the movie seriously, maybe it didn't.) That sounds like a stunt that only Deadpool might succeed in pulling off. Might. At least with Buffy there's a much better context for why people unexpectedly broke out into song; demons casting weird curses was just a routine week for the gang.

I actually hope they have future plans with that planet. Maybe a musical Marvel series? 😆

@artic_haze When I read your comment I immediately thought of that frame from dragon ball after Freezer tries to blow up namek.

Absolute spot on! I was interested in the musical concept but sadly, it was shortened.

​@@mattdamutt5681I think it's an interesting way of having the characters express themselves with a song and dance. But it is weird for a serious movie to have that element in.

Nah, just end it. Give it a couple of decades to breathe, wait for interest to return naturally as new creatives with real ideas come along free from corporate expectations. The superhero genre needs another Iron Man, which isn't going to happen until people have thoroughly forgotten about 2010s-2020s superhero oversaturation.

Yeah. I watched Wandavision and loved it, watched Falcon and Winter Soldier and thought it was pretty good, watched Loki and thought it was great, loved What If, thought Moon Knight was okay, watched Hawk-Eye and enjoyed it but the way they ruined Fisk let me know something was wrong...then She Hulk and Ms Marvel happened. Doctor Strange 2 and Black Panther 2 happened. I gave up.

@@Th1sIsMyLegacythe first half of ms marvel was pretty decent

They’re the same thing

As well as calling Beast a blue alien.

Their costumes in the first half of the movie are so good. They they get to that musical planet and the inhabitants make them awful costumes, lol

Overdesigned trash tbh

"maybe you should've watched the Christmas Special" Or maybe, just maybe, films should be made so you can understand the story without seeing any other shows beforehand. Reason #2 on why modern MCU films are fucking fail.

​@@dodgsonwevegotdodgsonhere9970 Any story that relies on side materials to fill in the gaps of the main one, is an objective failure on the writers part.

@@trudreus7327 Preach.

@@dodgsonwevegotdodgsonhere9970To be fair, Guardians 3 was actually great, even filmento liked it a lot.

@@trudreus7327I will say in Guardians 3, they don’t mention The Christmas Special that much. Even though the special was good, it didn’t feel like a missing piece. Unlike (cough cough) Wandavision with Multiverse of Madness. Difference is Gunn is a good writer/director who knows the audience

I've stopped caring about the MCU enough to watch the TV Shows, but I gotta say it's a bizarre decision to kill Maria Hill instead of Fury. (Not that Fury should've died on a TV Show instead of a movie.) Fury's usually cool, but Sam Jackson is both very expensive and 75 years old, so switching focus to a younger, cheaper actress seems like a more sound decision. (Also Maria Hill was director of S.H.I.E.L.D. in the comics for most of my childhood, so if someone accuses the decision of being woke you can just call them a fake fan.)

It would work if Nick Fury is actually Kang. He almost singlehandedly destroyed the entire universe ever since the first Avengers film. He almost destroyed the multiverse by allowing Spidey variants and enemies to cross the MCU, brought a MILLION SKRULLS ON EARTH, and almost caused TWO INCURSIONS all in the span of both Phase Four and Five content like WTF.

That’s true. But as you can see from these comments, you’ll just get called woke anyway. Do you think logic or fact-checking matters? These people still think Brie is hated by her costars, is a bad actress, and that Carol is a villain who thinks she’s perfect. Despite, you know, her whole arc in this movie.

Diabolical

Heh, except they don't

The Marvels is exactly a movie Vought would release

That's the point@@Andriej69

​@Andriej69 obviously you've never watched The Boys

I think this is phase 5, Phase 4 ended with the thrilling conclusion of............................................................. 5 being bigger than 4.

I think it's funnier that you didn't even realize that The Marvels was a phase 5 movie

​@@sasukesfan Wait how is this in another phase already ? Where is my avengers movie to end a phase ?

I liked Shang-Chi.

I’ve heard tons of people say they liked the marvels. I wonder what it is about this community that makes those people not want to voice their opinion here… hmm…. It’s definitely not valid criticism here, because from what I’ve seen, these chuds here can’t even understand the very simple premise of Carol’s internal struggle and shame she feels for how she handled Hala. They don’t explain how that arc could have been done better. They claim it doesn’t exist and then whine about FeMiNiSm and WoKeNeSs

Even too much of it sometimes lol

@@trudreus7327the last knight is the best example of that. I still stand by the first one being the best

@@orangecat504 i prefer DOTM and AOE tbh

Or "The Disappointments" Pretty good line.

To get disappointed you need to have some expectation. No one sane expected anything of this crap.

@@muradm7748 From what you say, I do not believe anyone in this thread has actually watched the movie. You just know its bad. Correct?

@@InevitableOption-ic2vx Marvel is just bizarre these days, it would be neat if instead of whatever they were going for since 2021... They had a big film and a spin-off series from said film akin to what Gunn did with The Suicide Squad - Peacemaker! Like imagine having Black Panther Wakanda Forever followed by a Namor mini-series where he deals with the aftermath of the movie and the reverberations of Tiamut's emergence, it's meant to be a shared universe, why does it feel so abstract nowadays?

Well, in Universe Ms. Marvel is basically Kamala Khan's self-insert, so her being the writer's self-insert fits perfectly well.

I don't mind self-insert as long as the story is good, not Mary Sue

@@zitronentee She got into the Avengers before some other household names, I say she qualifies as a Mary Sue.

@@TheSpawnfan I'm ok with overpowered characters, like One Punch Man's Saitama. But at least he has his internal struggle.

@@zitronentee which neither Kamala nor Danvers have, so, Mary Sue applies, also Gary Stu doesn't exist, the name is Mary Sue because of a Star Trek fanfic that has the character of Mary Sue in it, she is: . The youngest ensign in the StarFleet . As smart as Spock . As capable and strong leader as Kirk The list goes on

It is them drawing from the source material. The AI Captain Marvel destroyed ran the machines that controlled their sun. So to have either the destruction of the AI, or for those machines to subsequently fail due to a civil war, are both justified. That said, that that is the situation is something that should ideally be established beforehand, rather than just be an offhand comment.

What, what happened ?

@@bartoszpopczyk6897His character was killed on “Secret Invasion.”

@@bartoszpopczyk6897 Spoiler His character dies in secret invasion

Well, Kamala was likeable, but basically had no role other than to stand there and be likable, with her role in the story going from "in the way" to, "less in the way".

So...the Captain America movies?

This is mostly true. But as a heterosexual man, I actually like movies with a lot of female screen time. Even cheesy ones.

It would be great if they made an official poll and A death in the family'd a character or two.

Unlikely. It's been 8 years since Deadpool, which means most of the people who watched the first one will be adults now with more mature senses of humour, in combination with meta humour fatigue. Deadpool 3 will do fine at the box office, but it won't be record numbers and it'll leave a lot of people feeling they've had enough of dick jokes and 4th wall breaks now.

@@yurisei6732this guy doesn’t get that the reason we watch it is Ryan Reynolds

W take

The "cinimatic" equivalent of jangeling the keys infront of a baby.

Trent Reznor's song "Hurt" that Cash covered and transformed perfectly. However, like the Marvels movie, this -that- cover was terrible.

@@mc1993im confused, are you calling Cash’s cover of Hurt perfect or terrible?

@@alenor210 Damn typo. On this video, 'this cover was terrible'. Reznor's is great, Cash's is beyond words, but the version on this video is terrible.

​@@mc1993 what is the cover that is used in this video? Im just curious

this version is real bad

Me is as simple too!

What a time to be alive

You are right but do you realize you described the 3rd act of No Way Home? Sandman is trying to suffocate Parker....why?? Parker is literally his only hope of ever getting home, which is what he wants. The film violently ignores logic and character motivation over and over and over again to go to any lengths to make the silly cameos for Andrew and Maguire happen. Osborn throws a bomb into the middle of the street and blows up 1/2 a dozen cars. Tom Holland - does not care - and decides to betray Dr. Strange - *release Osborn* allow him to get back his glider and BOMBS - just in case he might need them lol, in order to kill Aunt May and allow the plot to keep happening. OMG. I didn't see this film so *maybe* it is worse????? Question does Iman V. get hit IN THE FACE with a bomb - then laugh it off, like Holland when he's hit in the face with Goblin's bomb????? Comic book film's can be more emotionally arrested and intellectually impaired than NO WAY HOME??? Really???

_Sandman is trying to suffocate Parker....why??_ Meanwhile Max (Electro) doesn't know and never met Parker but he's here anyway? Why? Film doesn't even bother to make an excuse - they just assume you're not paying attention and won't ask. Max wants to *stay here* cuz he liked the *new power* which is why he is fighting. But his new power is complete shit. He tries to electrocute Octavius an old man with no powers, and fails to even cinge him. (why? how? cuz none of the cartoon - i mean comic book characters can be hurt in this film - only Aunt May is harmed- she is fridged cuz girls have no place in this story accept as love interest and save me kill bait) Max should not be in the film. And once he is here the film has him try to fight Spiderman for a bullshit reason.

I know thread isn't about No Way Home - i'm just saying that many of you were fine with the bullshix writing and story telling as long as it was a fan service for Peter Parker.