The Meltdown of Disney Plus 

Some might say, a Super Delight.

You sneaky, clever viewer. I like what you did there 🤠

Nah

Why

Well know delightful enough. They must fail more until they go bankrupt.

Sick pfp bro

Disney Plus redoing "boring" ECHO series cutting Ezra Miller parody, MMIW, what Skin Walking is and where the missing Native American women went

you dont understand the point of TV. The point of TV is to sell merchandise. Black Little Mermaid doesn't have to do well in theaters, they now can sell a ton of Black Little Mermaid merchandise to a whole new demographic and no black people did not ever care about little mermaid

This made me laugh out loud. So true!

True but Disney already had massive brand recognition. I don’t know if comparing it to Netflix is apples to apples. I think it’s more to do with the marvel formula (and Star Wars) running dry because the new characters don’t have years of investment to fall back on

@@simbolicdunksman1746 It's not the years of investment per se, although it doesn't help. It's that the new characters are set up as fantasy people having fantasy people problems. Look at the first phase. Thor was a fantasy family drama not too far the kind of thing you'd see in Game of Thrones, with Loki as this chaotic anti-villain who kept making mistakes on trying to correct his previous grievous mistakes and going more and more insane. Tony Stark was a brilliant invenor and billionaire who became a superhero once he was forced out of his bubble to see how much of a negative impact his company had on the world. Captain America? WWII-era kid who became an heroic icon just trying to do the right thing. Simple. Human. Relatable. Now it's all legacy characters and multiverses and people who went through soooo much weird shit no human can comprehend. There's nothing for an audience to grab onto.

Personally I think that just as the people from Midnight's Edge said, it seems like the streaming wars are just another format wars, but worse. Before there were the wars between VHS and Betamax, DVD vs BluRay and usually the jist was that people could choose a better but more expensive format vs the cheaper but worse alternative, with the plain leveling with digital releases from iTunes or Amazon. However, Netflix was never a true competitor to companies like Blockbuster (at least not on their internet streaming service) but instead it was a competitor to pirate sites and illegal downloads. Sure, Netflix was somewhat inconvenient when it came to their catalogue, but there was no downside on having to scan constantly the downloaded files or websites for viruses. After Netflix consolidated as the main streaming site, it arguably became a loss leader format that Hollywood would never be able to keep up as profitable as the old physical release model, but at least it was reliably making money (even if it was way less). Ever since Disney decided to go balls deep in the streaming industry it signed their own death warrant and Hollywood's as well since the industry would unavoidably go from massive profits to huge losses. The pandemic only blinded them on a false sense of confidence in which they gambled the whole farm and unsurprisingly once things went back to normal all started to fall apart. Nowadays the lack of perspective from the losers at the accounting and innovation departments of these huge corporations have made it so that there is no good way to enjoy content without using pirate stuff. I mean, just look at RU-vid. The premium app only allows downloaded content to be viewed if there is an internet connection, rendering the function completely worthless. Netflix for some reason has games even though most gamers have a dedicated console which in turn not only has great releases but things like game pass makes this service even less useful. In the end, it always is a distribution problem, not a pricing one. If these companies were keen on distributing their contents in more than just one way (streaming) and instead allowed more people to buy just the content that they want, they will not end up the way Blockbuster did.

As a parent of small children, you couldn't be more wrong about them not having the content to back up a platform. Pulling all their content off other platforms and putting it on their own was a gold mine. Making new content exclusively to draw more interest? That was a waste. Considering they bought Hulu the same year, though, they should've just put all their content on Hulu which already had a huge market share, or maybe pulled a "Max" and rebranded Hulu.

@@simbolicdunksman1746 Disneys brand recognition is being known as the company that kills franchises.

Their woke propaganda is destroying their company

​@rektz2457 it's probably the low quality content along with making way too many marvel spinoffs go outside and touch grass snowflake

How odd. For me it's quite the opposite. It deeply saddens me that the studio that has created so many classic films that shaped me (even tho I always thought DreamWorks was better) has devolved into something like this. I watched both fantasia movies for the first time recently and thought to myself: Disney wouldn't think of doing anything like this today

Why do people go online and write the equivalent of a blank, balled up sheet of printer paper? This opinion shows such a lazy and intellectually crippled thought process that even after 30 years I'm still shocked when people waste their time writing something so pointless.

They should have tried to do something other than mediocre SW and Marvel stuff.

Honestly 😭

Funny enough it made more sense if you had watched Agents of Shield where there was a whole season whose lesson was “the darkhold corrupts everything it touches”. Explaining her becoming evil after that post credits scene where she’s reading the book.

Good to know…and kind of a shame. I actually like MoM, but it was definitely flawed on a lot of levels

I liked Doctor Strange 2, but I agree with you. Do you want kids Wanda? Get a husband, and take him to bed... 😂

So it's just idiots who didn't understand something so simple in Wandavision & Dr.S 2 lol. Gotcha

Honestly The Force Awakens was a genuinely good start to the trilogy and left a LOT of potential. Far from a perfect film but still a good Star Wars film After that you’re right they absolutely fumbled the bag. Turns out all the stuff they set up in The Force Awakens they had no answer to. They needed someone (who wasn’t an idiot or corporate pos) to oversee the trilogy and string it all together with a team of writers beforehand so you at least have some idea where it’s going Pretty sure Kevin Feige had plans for the general Avengers overarching narrative almost a decade before Endgame

@@MacTac141it was a very safe start that copies a new hope I would say revenge of the sith was better even then it

They didn't really set up anything. They HINTED that there was a story, but never really developed anything of note. Mystery boxes were used as an excuse as to why the story was being made up as they went.

​@maclain728 a carbon copy of the first film was lazy and killed any momentum they had. The other two failing to launch wasn't surprising given how poorly thought out their opening movie for their trilogy was.

Totally agree. It's like going to a buffet the first 2 plates are great and the 3rd you've had your fill. The 5th you're sick of food.

Sounds like you guys weren't real fans then.....you're saying what literally no true fan says, you're just regurgitating what other people who arent real fans say. How many comics are released every year about the same comic hero/group? More than what comes out and the true fans are asking for more...still, after 50 years you still have fans asking for more but here you fake fans are saying its over saturated... I used to hate hipsters, but at least they were actually into it instead of just faking it. Now we have fake hipsters who arent even cool enough to be individuals,just followers.....which is why they say fatigue, you're just fake and don't really like it. But since its the only thing "original" you still go to see it like you read every comic first....I have fan fatigue, not marvel fatigue.

@@jamesmeppler6375buddy, no one you’re responding to said they were real fans, or fans at all. You need therapy

Hey Google, define "no true Scotsman"

​@@jamesmeppler6375I just turned 30, been a comic book need my whole life. MCU fanboys like you probably don't even know half the characters they've messed up. These studios screw over established IPs for a quick cash grab. Plenty of fans are tired of seeing things they like, destroyed. If you wanna shove your woke agenda down peoples throats, at least do it in a fun, new way.

Nobody watches the new stuff either

Same for certain Disney shows like Aladdin,Tarzan, Buzz Lightyear, and House of Mouse. Though to be fair, I wouldn’t blame anyone if they were unaware the formers, especially the Tarzan series.

what old movies have they not put on Disney+?

​@@TheBarber5550I'm curious as well. I don't have Disney+, so I assumed they dumped their ENTIRE catalog into the service overtime, if not immediately.

That would be so petty to charge for old classics lol shit like that should be free.

you had me until you said "make things more streamlined". they need to take a moment to figure out what the hell they're trying to do, what their vision is.

​@@TheBarber5550this is real. The MCU is just a mess rn. If you compare it to Loki you can really see how actually having a vision and going through with it is something Disney is trying to ditch to get more money.

@@ot7biasedmashups I wonder how old Walt would feel about his company shoveling shit to it's audiences. He's probably rolling in his grave.

@@TheBarber5550 Walt? He'd be pissed at how the company is losing market share, not at the bad quality. Good old Walt was a corporate A-hole. Albeit a competent one.

@@TheStephaneAdam fair point, I'm sure he's still rolling in his grave

Star Wars IP is probably one of the most expansive IPs in movie history, yet Disney is completely oblivious to that fact and just remain stuck to the past.

​@@Sizifus^^this is what makes me both hopeful and nervous. There're so many good stories to tell within the star wars universe, but I also desperately don't wanna see anything else tarnished

That'd require talent.

Disney plus has tons of Echo footage, the test screens call it "boring" They're trying to chop up the footage, do reshoots, cameos and cut topics they can't cover like MMIW, the Ezra Miller character (Doomcock/SheHulk style) and what skinwalking is (the white handprint on her face)

The funny thing about those genres is that we occasionally get popular movies and series in those genres, Shockingly they are often great, The mcu both has too much content and often has far more messy quality now due to crunch time on these shows being churned out so fast

Who know how they thought this was okay, but I'd bet arrogance is a part of it.

He can't talk? Damn. I knew he had health problems but I didn't know it was that bad

@@mr.awesome6011Like I'm pretty sure that the only way he can talk is through AI now. His throat cancer was really bad unfortunately. I may not like the guy as a person but losing your voice as an actor is a death sentence.

@Minronis Nah, story concepts can get tiring to individuals (and over time, entire communities of aforementioned individuals). I speak from experience as somebody that is absolutely tired of any and all western style shows and crime drama shows. The formula absolutely does get tiring. Obviously, a new take on it can shake things up a bit, but it won't renew any REAL interest in the genre as a whole, just in that one production that shook things up. For example, I'm burnt out as hell on crime drama shows (think CSI, Law and Order, etc). If a show came along that twisted the formula a bit, made things feel a little fresh, it might catch my interest for a few seasons, but it would absolutely not make me suddenly like crime drama as a whole again.

@@dragonmaster1360this

Spending $350 million to make Avengers makes sense as it's a massive cast. But $350 million for Indy $300 million for Marvels is way too much. It should be half that.

I will say, this itself could be the 6th problem. How licensing rights can cause widely different varying catalogues available for different countries on what one can and cannot watch due to bundles or lack thereof etc.

I think Disney’s plan is to ultimately merge Hulu & Disney+ worldwide once they gain full control next year.

PT duels look fake, all flash and no substance. As you said, it appears as if it’s all planned out. We intuitively know that everything is scripted but the goal is to get the audience to suspend disbelief and accept what is being shown is organic.

​@@josephbrown9685The only good duel in the prequels is Obi-Wan vs Darth Maul, after Qui-Gon gets killed. To me that is peak lightsaber combat, everything else is shit. Needless to say the duels in Episodes 5 and 6 were great because of the context of the fights

You took the words out of my mouth. This is the most thorough and nuanced take on the MCU fiasco I’ve watched so far.

and how they consider something 'woke' is completely selective if you notice, by their logic a lot of stuff like the Last of Us, House of the Dragon, Spider-verse, Fight Club, Alien and many many other shows and movies are Woke but they don't call it woke when its well-written and popular, really shows how bad faith they are

Watch NerdRotic, he does the same and shows the numbers.

@@AGCcachanilla looking at nerdrobic’s video’s he seem no better then the critical drinker who also seems physically unable to criticize modern films and shows without reliaing on «triggerwords» like woke and diversity and expect that to be a proper argument, with no original or well thought arguments. I mean its the guy who has made like 40 video’s about how terrible rings of power is (which yes is bad, but he dosent seem to actually wanna adress why its bad and instead simply focus on the fact that they have gay characters there). Generally if someone has to rely on buzzwords like «woke» to get their video seen then 99% of the time you will hear the same lazy arguments made by 20 other «movie review» channels.

Same. While I don't mind watching the Critical Drinker from time to time (since he's honestly pretty damn funny), he can be pretty heavy handed when it comes to certain things, and it gets a bit old after a while.

I don't think so sadly. Disney always finds away and with the lack of marketing and word of mouth of that show with a budget of 200m, it's not looking good.

@@VERsingthegamez And I've people crisising Rick and Disney for the racial change on some its Characters (mainly Annabeth). But honestly, as long as the show is good and doesn't stray too far from the books, at this point I don't care.

So far, all the footage I’ve seen looked really good. Let’s hope that remains true for the whole show.

​@@simcoe4045it probably will. Plus the fandom is doing a better job at promoting than Disney. So I think the only real danger is it not being renewed bc Disney might spontaneously decide they ain't feeling it anymore. The writing will most likely not be a problem as Rick would be the first to tell us about Disney trying to change things for the worst and boycotting the show. He does NOT play around with bad adaptations.

​@@USofAyeah, the more or less niche fanbase is already heavily divided on the show. The fact the series is past its prime for the most part as well as a tarnished legacy due to those movies, it's facing a very uphill battle

You literally just showed me that you don't understand the word literally, or the word hyperbole.

@@johnstarks7759 Wow, you're just all over the comments calling others stupid to make yourself feel better.

Andor

Exactly

I agree. I will say I do wish they'd kinda tone down the wokeness a bit (Especially she-hulk, jesus christ) but the problems are so much deeper and fundamental then that and the woke aspect seems to be the only part people focus on.

@@heroicryan6257 You have a company that's more focused on "inclusion" than quality. I'm sorry that you're too ignorant to see that ideology is what leads to all the other poor decisions, but that doesn't change reality.

It's a combination of atrocious writing, bad ideology, and making everything match the tone of a terrible Disney Channel teen comedy.

I mean, you obviously can't boil it down to pure political ideology, but come on. At the end of the day the main problem Marvel has is that the writing sucks, with a big sidebar being that there's woke themes peppered in everywhere. Maybe you think these two aren't connected but it's hardly unreasonable to think they are. Certainly the trend of having unlikable Strong Female Characters basically steal the show from / dump on the male characters, is a big contributor. If Secret Invasion was 6 episodes of Nick Fury being a badass, it would've been solid at worst and S tier at best.

​@@TheMattTrakkerI'm sorry that you're too ignorant to understand that you can be inclusive and do good quality productions at the same time. She Hulk wasn't shit because it was "woke," it was shit because the inclusivity and feminism they showed in the show was idiotically shallow and shouted into your face with no value to any of the characters. ALL they had to do was introduce relatable and genuine characters to embody the "wokeness." Like The Eternals where its only canonically gay character was shown as a father and a family man who wanted nothing to do with the bullshit happening in the plot because he just wanted to protect and live with his family. This character was genuine and relatable. There was no widespread backlash over this character because it was done nicely and his sexual orientation didn't much matter. Not that it did the film any good because its plot's scope was too big. Now people are shitting over Disney because they are introducing characters whose only noticeable characteristic is being "woke" or queer. It's bad not because it's "woke" but because these characters have no depth and shout "woke" shit and feminist catchphrases just for the fucking sake of it(SheHulk again).

Isaac “Ike” Perlmutter... it has been all down hill since he was marginalized, then fired.

Shoving woke shit into everything isn't necessarily the main thing destroying them, but alienating your audience at every corner and calling your fans ists and isms for not liking the show or movie is one of the most damaging things you can do.

it's definitely a factor to be sure.@@XxRedRocket15xX

@XxRedRocket15xX But… they’re not even woke. Maybe they will imply two characters might be gay (in a scene easily cut from the movie), but they’ll minimize Finn on the Chinese movie poster and sideline him in those movies. Or, they’ll recast the dwarves in Snow White as average sized people without rewriting the roles to be more interesting and bothering hire actual little people. How is that woke? I would love if they were genuine, but it’s pure greed. It’s lazy. I have no idea how you could even call this woke!

@@giversinner971 They're woke when it's tolerated. M-SHE-U should be enough for anyone that isn't in denial to see this.

Kevin Feige was the creative who mapped out the MCU and movie and TV show rollout creating a cohesive sprawling storyline. But no doubt after end game fatigue is setting in. Not sure if he can be blamed on the production front as he put creatives in place to create each movie and show. KK might be involved in the hiring as well. There's a whole team that works with Kevin Feige so it's hard to blame one person.

@@jonfreeman9682 So Kevin is responsible for the very inconsistent storyline we have at the moment? I agree with your points of the end game fatigue and there being a whole team behind* every decision, which is why I am not posing this question as a challenge, but genuine curiosity. The video creator seems to know a lot more about this and I would like to know how much of this can be attributed to Kevin, he might not have to shoulder the most blame but I doubt he is exempt from all, something the video did not touch upon.

I’d gladly pay a significantly smaller amount for access to classic Disney stuff only. I don’t care about their modern garbage.

Fr. I could easily live the rest of my life without even thinking about Disney+.