The META That Ruined League Could FINALLY Be Over 

"a little different" we need season 3-4 balance mentality not arms race heal/anti heal.

Happy with the viego buff, my boi finally get a buff

@@MikeSchuchhard1038 Kraken into IE tech is upon us brother

I dont see why there cant just be double the bans now a days sense league is so over crowded with champions, instead of 5 bans per team why not 10. that would fix this dumb pick meta

I think the lack of variety in pro play is also related to the tendency they have to mimic each other. Beryl, for example, created himself on his own a Heimer support meta without Riot doing anything to buff him at this role, it just happened. Pro players copy what seems good from other teams, and try to counter it. Players like Adam, for example, have an huge draft advantage due to their ability to pick off meta toplaners. The point is, I think nerfing Yuumi is a great thing cause this champ is boring to watch, but whatever Riot will do they cannot make pro player stop copying each other and playing the same champs. The best matchs to watch are always those with off meta / surprising picks, like G2 on EU for example.

While it's true that the problems outlined in this video do not necessarily apply in lower elos, because players make countless mistakes that you can punish so basically every champion is viable, that doesn't mean that your opinions and feelings about the game aren't valid. Balance aside, a silver player can still feel frustrated at the client for example, or the constant maokai jungle abuse. You still have a perspective that is worth listening to, even if it might be different than that of a pro player.

To some extent, it does affect low elo. You will have every support playing this weird picks without any clue on why they are being picked and griefing the game

double adc bot and vi/mao are broken at every elo

@@proutmobile1228 that's just false, no adc in the support role has above 50% wr besides ashe, in any elo. Maokai is OP sure, but Vi is not, there are stronger champs

Not true. As a hard stuck silver, I see none of these things in my games. Neither double ADC, nor maokai/Ví abuse. It resembles arurf if anything. My only frustration is how some jungle picks are so trash that you can be reported for playing them, also I am yet to play a game without a single heart steel item. I swear to God every toplane or at least one jungler has it.

Sona/Taric

Wdym? Sona has been stong consistently over the past year :D

@@greeensha9659 Her and her 650 hp at level 3 have been dominating, its true. Brother, Yuumi has more base hp than her im pretty sure, dead champion unfortunately

Blitz main over here, I can feel you

@@christoskoukas8856 she was indeed on par with her before the nerfs. sona had a very slight hp lead but had worse resists, which was even worse

Lmao I didn't even knew she could do that. Imo they put this nonsens passiv on every champ now. Like why in the hell Bel'Veth can spawn voidling while being a jungler not design to split push ?!

That's like the most useless passive in the game

I feel like every champion needs a gimmick to make them interesting, and the rest of their kit should be designed around that gimmick. Zeri's is that she autos with abilities, but she has these weird... extra things tacked onto her kit: she steals shields on hits, her lazer crits and becomes MASSIVE when it hits walls, she can jump over terrain. I think with all these bells and whistles you have to balance around make it harder to balance the core elements that actually make the champion who they are.

I don't believe her passive shield stealing is an issue, in fact I would say it's a good thing. If you don't remember, she got released around the time where shield supports dominated the botlane meta and she was a great counter (except she countered like everything with her insane numbers)

im from the future, aurelion sol stunning minion for 6s will break the game 3 months for now, they will discover a fckdup way to abuse this in pro play.

riot did an amazing job with the q changes on maokai, but missed the mark on not making it a spammable ap cancer poke champ, its getting a good nerf but why wasnt it delivered 4 weeks ago? we will never know

I also am a Maokai main and can say with confidence that what he is now IS NOT his most toxic gameplay. In fact, he used to be STRONGER before his midscope where his E did % health damage and his E cooldown was a lot less too and did more flat damage. That’s why he was so oppressive as an AP support then. His E is definitely his most problematic part of his kit and remains toxic to this day too. but it is not as bad as it used to be. I think Riot should just take all the damage out from his E and just make it a pure utility tool (vision and slow) making it slow and last longer in bushes and then maybe up his passive sustain a bit more (maybe his cc in w/q) so he plays and feels like a tank and not some sapling chucker.

Same but with zac, been maining him since I started playing top 2 years ago

As kindred otp… relatable

That was me with Akali when she first got reworked. Could never get her or she was banned away XD

For people like you in my ranked i get ashe suppport complete garbage pick omfg

So if he didnt get ashe he would just go gg?

@@thedanksoul Nami, Xerath, Brand or AP Twitch sup

Ok but rat is a bit of a clown not your best source of information 😭

Ashe support is the essence of annoying but is it that unbeatable? I think not. Braum for example does an exellent job at shutting down ashe for as long as his shield is up so that his adc can engage on ashe and take her out

The problem is that this doesn't solve the issue. Either the already broken champions are going to be more broken(because they can also take advantage of the vamp), or even worst, this enables some champion/style that is too unhealthy for the game. They need to address the champions individually.

"Viego top shouldn't be playable so we nerfed his healing on minions" Meanwhile Warwick healing for 50+ per auto at lvl5 on minions

@laersv or, alternatively, they could bring the damage from jg camps down from back when I'd make pulls on the WRAITHE camp instead of raptors. The fact half the jg roster ends a clear on like 1/4hp or less is gross. That being said, removing an entire mechanic isn't the answer, balancing the champs that took advantage of it is.

@@laerson123 removing entire mechanics from the game is bad, bar none. Sorry, but that's just not justifiable from a game design standpoint.

@@stan2139 ww does'nt have a 200 years kit aside from the healing . the ONLY thing he has is his healing and his R.

The meta and desparity in strength between champs is as bad as it's ever been. In the end of S12 the game was in a n OK state where a lot of champs were playable. With preseason they completely fucked the game and they still haven't done anything meaningful to change it. They tend to do that in preseason almost every season, makes the game boring for 1/2 of the year.

Jungle Maokai was the OG Maokai, the difference is that youre supposed to build him like a tank, not an AP Bruiser. His fucking seeds do too much damage and stay too long on a bush is unreal.

And you can’t sweep or clear them.

Agree

BUSH SAPLING BUSH SAPLING BUSH SAPLING BUSH SAPLING HALF HEALTH SAPLING HALF HEALTH SAPLING SAPLING SAPLING DEAD

He in S2, Kog, Vayne and Varus also showed up a lot.

Good days. I miss graves adc

@@rafindeed bro same

​@@rafindeed That Graves was simple and fun.

I miss graves ADC so much you have no idea

I also feel like anytime players find some innovative idea, riot sees it as broken and nerfs or removes it, instead of trying to let players find a way to work around it. Just adds on top of everything else in this broken ass game imo.

@@dawsong5208 only thing I think riot had every right to remove was funnel.. that was broken as hell.

@@dawsong5208 lethality xayah and caitlyn for example, can't have that let's buff maokai instead

literaly innovation as recent as ashe support from last season, in every game, you may have seen it.

My brother and I were talking about this. A silver player today is probably good at the fundamentals that they could have played in a the LCS from 2014. That's kind of mind boggling that silver players are as good as the pros were a few years ago

This would really be a lot of fun to watch if it were a general rule. There would have to be a lot more strategy and flexibility than simply seeing the same champions being practiced and used all the time. It just makes the game boring.

i mean, not just the winning team but both teams

@@Bruno-dv3ym Yes, definitely. This would make the professional players have to train with a much larger amount of champions, instead of just a ridiculous small number of selected champions, and since Riot uses the competitive to create the metas, this could make a lot of forgotten champions to come back into the game. Who knows, maybe it's just a small change in the rules that the game needs to definitely improve.

i feel this I rarely see zeri and when I do its cause I’m one shotting her as renekton

just on normal games, even on ranked games above silver 2 I can see the meta effects

@@raymonrackley1128 Yeah if you pick Zeri you are going to get eaten by Yi or a juggernaut in Silver/Gold lol

I kinda liked playing yuumi. But now she is unplayable in every ELO. I know a lot of ADCs I play with in bronze will just dodge if they see her. She is THAT BAD right now.

Thumbs down for the silly jinx Janna example. No matter the age, Janna is essentially a disengage champion, which counters engage champions and is countered by poke champions. It was a very poor example given the context. The main issue rn is that people are counter picking poke bot lanes with even pokier bot lanes. But I do hope that now the original triangle is re-established Btw, being aware of that triangle is way more important on the draft than the ""popular"" oh no we are full AD/full AP noise. It's much worse to be a full poke comp versus few engage champions, or be full melee engage, etc

That doesn't help smite fights, if the opps is 1000 and your's is 990; they should still beat you every time outside of player error.

Make junglers choose between farm or gank, ie bring back counterjungling. If mao wants lvl 3 gank bot let my jg take his other side so they are now equal. How things are unless you countergank you are at net loss if enemy ganks and u farm

The problem with disincentivizing ganking in favour of farming for smite stacks is that the meta will just change to fast clear junglers, making the game even more predetermined.

@@moanguspickard249 Literally this. I loved panth jg. I turbo gank and win games by fucking over lanes to the detriment of my jg. But sejuani and mao can spam gank just as hard without losing cs.

Seems really hard idk guys

my favourite part is when maokai jungle presses R from fog and mashes the E key as he walks up to you menacingly.

Jokes aside his kit is simple but has small parts of skill expression in combat which makes him effective at any level combined with his insane engage and zone control

@@channelname7349 E is sapling lol

​@@przemeklisicki8741 Actually I'd say there isn't skill expression. What you have to do is sort of set in stone. I didn't play him much but from my experience: 1) If there are multiple targets, ult from fog. 2) Walk in and W an important target (e.g. their adc or some fed guy or anyone else) 3) While they're rooted, walk behind them and Q them into your team. 4) Poke remaining enemies with E, if they didn't die from your engage and didn't run away.

I feel you, as a toplaner myself...

I don't think the item will instantly become a bad item with the nerf. If you do some quick math you lose 24 hp per minute. That isn't nothing and losing 240 hp total over 10 minutes early laning phase is something but it's far from the end of the world. The alternative for riot would have been to buff dmg elsewhere which can't be healthy eighter

​@@alexandrereynaud7884 It's the reason I don't ragequit when the enemy plays an ADC top. Stuff like Zeri or Akshan top is just cancer beyond reason.

@@etuanno dunno what you mean ...(

I combine it with second wind + revitalize, so I don't really feel the hit. It's not like much else from the Resolve tree is used that often in top lane. If your champion NEEDS the Resolve tree, you have Grasp, which is imo a pretty useful rune in counterpick matchups.

I wonder if we could just change the interaction!

@@Exil22 They have always been good together, but last couple of years they have been DOMINATING

When they changed lucian passive, it just buffed who was already his best support, nami

@@phoenixflamegames1 Yeah, that's maybe cause Nami ap scaling is way too good? srsly full hp nami with summs and ult up can solo most characters when they half hp. This is stupid.

@@davidkunakovsky3155 Shusshshshhs, don't tell them the secret. Let us have one enchanter with some power.

You dont enjoy this 5 champs in any game?( if youre high elo) or you dont find it fair that the new tank items are just auto win? Cmon just play better. Im sure losing weeks of sanity to play is worth it against jist lockimg a tank amd have 5k hp at 15 minutes or even better a bruiser with jak sho that is tankier than a leona and hits like le blanc hits an adc

It's an absolute fact that Riot/Tencent whoever is in charge of league has cut the budget drastically. Riot scruffy and ghostcrawler who were 2 of their best devs for league have been working on the MMO for a while. What sucks is that even though this helps EXPLAIN what has happened to league, it does not make it OK. Just because something has a reason for happening, does not mean I am happy with it. This is my favorite game, my livelihood, and something we've all invested thousands of hours into, to see it just shit the bed sucks dude.

@@Exil22 Yeah 100% there with you.. I started in the begining of season 4 and have played the game consistently for almost a decade straight. Like you said I hate that my favorite game is just shitting the bed and its been tossed aside because of other projects, hope they genuinely can fix it. I dont want to be a total doomer about it but people will leave over a period of time if things dont get better. And I know riot has all these other games and projects, but I want to play league and just dont care enough about mmos, fighting games, valorant and anything else ive seen shown. Again like you said Ill go play elden ring lmao

@@Exil22 While I agree with youfor the most part, I cannot endorse Ghostcrawler after his terrible track record and really absent-minded design philosophies. I recall him being the one who said you don't need to play league to design it which is a pretty bad philosophy to have as a dev imo. Correct me if I'm mistaken though.

@@Exil22 games die. And league is on its way out, you can't keep a game alive for ever and you can't just bankrupt the entire company slowly bleeding money trying to keep the game Alive Unless you never want to play a riot games game again (including league) the diversification of the dev team is absolutely necessary New league players are drying up because the barrier to entry is becoming more and more absurd. Remember when an insec was considered the gold standard of mechanical skill, you were a god. Now every gold player knows how to do it, starting to play the game as a new player has become essentially impossible And an old addicted playerbase isn't gonna last forever

Maokai was an historic jungler, he came to support bc he was so shit that it was the only role he could play (but ngl he's stupidly broken atm). I feel like riot should hard nerf E dmgs to force maokai going tank build wich is way more healthier

@@skriimz1143 they did the lane swap because you could take both towers equally as fast, so they put the protection buff in top lane so bot lane stopped going over there. But if you move the protection buff to bot lane, you force a choice. Does bot lane want plates or contest dragon? You can't choose both anymore

Then we'd risk being back in the lane swap meta that made top laners want to quit the game in season 5. Bot duo would run top and set up a slow push, jungler would join them as it crashed into turret, if the enemy top stayed they'd get dove, so instead they'd have to stand so far back they'd miss xp. Bot/sup/jg would push the turret down and recall. Since the other team would inevitably do the same thing on the bot side, the two teams would recall at the same time and switch to do the same thing on the other side of the map. The end result was top laners that weren't allowed to play the game for the first 5 minutes and were then set super far behind for the rest of the game, bot laners with accelerated income compared to the rest of the map, and a game state where no one does anything except farm for 20 minutes because you'd get ganked if you stepped too far out in front of your inner turrets. In today's game state it would probably be worse. If turret protection was shifted from bot to top, then a team that sent their early game dup top and shoved to take those plates would also be in position to take Herald, putting them even further ahead in gold. If the enemy does that, but you send your duo bot, you're giving up a gold advantage that a single dragon is never going to make up for. So you have to match it instead. Now we're back right where we started, but with the top and bot lanes swapped, and Herald being the big contested objective instead of dragon. The only thing that would change is that top laners with the ability to shove would become the priority so they could rotate for dragon. Which is neat, I guess, and could potentially open up counterpicks and stuff, and maybe have some ripple effects on the champion pools of the other positions. Or it could mean solo lane supports again. Either way, not worth all the other negative effects this change would have on the game.

@@Pyrrha_Nikos lol, just 100% pick aggresive duo lanes to destroy tower + always want to pick pushing solo champ + mid lanes to take dragon. We will end up that midlane champions come to bot, top come to mid and bot come to top, and with win early game or just FF.

@@AnakinTheWeird We wouldn't get lane swap because the whole point of lane swap was there was nothing worth fighting for early since old dragons were ass so we just traded farm and towers to accelerate the adcs gold income. But now we have things to fight for early, dragons are being solo'd by lvl 4 junglers because the priority on drakes has gone up a lot and soul is basically a win condition by itself. If a team sends their adc and support to top lane to farm plates, first of all they won't get a lot very fast because turrets get tankier the more plates you take, and they would be sacrificing at least the first 2 dragons. As to your point about Herald, it doesn't even take 2 plates anymore, plus it spawns 3 minutes later than dragon so enemy team can still very easily contest. Swapping the objective focus from Dragons to Herald isn't a real option because Herald is a 1 time small boost of gold, while dragons are permanent buffs that can end up in an almost game winning situation. I'll give you the fact that the game would be slower, but it would also reverse back to more standard picks, which is the whole point. You wouldn't need to be playing dogshit like Heimer or Varus support because bot prio isn't as important if you aren't taking early plates, unless your entire gameplan is to stack dragons from the second it spawns.

@@Pyrrha_Nikos if you watch the video and notice how oppressive and adc funneling the bot lane is right now, it would probably give birth to adc picking tp. Its hard to give design solutions on a vacuum because a design problem is a problem thats connected to a bunch of other systems that communicate with eachother. Riot does its best to balance the game and give a general direction of what they want the game to be, but the specifics of what exactly will happen is impossible to figure out because it requires an amount of testing thats only possible after the system is implemented. Im a game dev and although some solutions seems obvious to us as spectators, we usually dont know how the system is planned to work to have an opinion thats a factual solution. As an example, the yummii problem was an real and serious problem after months of its release due to how the system developed and was tested by the players.

Support feels kind of bad to play right now. Feels like there's a lot less agency than last season.

@@dreamsmadeflesh1 thought i was the only one. I just vs'd a heimer/ashe bot lane and it tilted me out of my mind.

@@dreamsmadeflesh1 The poke champs don't really scale to beat fighters and tanks later on, its annoying because its so hard to play the lane without doing it, but if you do say goodbye to your late game warding and agency.

@@fishersofmen4727 just play Quinn supp. Great vision control and awesome at being everywhere to help everyone

@@dreamsmadeflesh1 there is a ton more agency, just awful support players without the mechanics to play mages/ADCs got exposed. Supports can determine the entire game by having good spacing levels 1-3. If you can’t carry on support rn you’re just playing bad

it was incredibly useful during invades as well

You need a better leash. . .

Bring back counterjungling and we are good to go

As long as we nerf jungle drastically, sure.

Idk, I jungle nocturne, need no leash and 0 hp pots. The jungle barely scratches me even at lv1/2

THE LAST LINE YOU SAID E X A C T L Y

sounds liek things dumbed down, because that was the silver things back in s4. so basically the more ppl follow the koreans the dumber they become with less critical thinking and strategy.

LOL

They did Hack the LoL Servers? Hm Maybe just upload the Same Code but without Yuumi and we all Switch the Client 😂

@@SaltareObscurum you pfp is top tier ngl

@@zh6523 Thanks 😂

"Every second Yuumi is attached deals 0.5% hp to her team's nexus." -but it's a rotating game mode with enemy yuumi as your supp.

I hated that they picked lucian just for the synergy when they had no idea how they have to play with him. I mean, it's not like nami only works with lucian. I also prioritize picking her when I have ap junglers. She's such a well rounded support, but I stopped playing her because I was sick of playing with a lucian every.single.game. plus, I sometimes picked her because I was 1st/2nd pick and she's decent as a blind pick, but then my adc would pick lucian no matter the enemy comp, now my blind is karma and to sum it up: AAAAAAA

Me as a lucian main: E ME E ME E ME E ME E ME E ME E ME E ME E ME E ME E ME E ME E ME E ME E ME E ME E ME E ME .

TRUEEE i keep on telling my adcs to only play Lucian if they are comfortable on him.

Thumbs down for the silly jinx Janna example. No matter the age, Janna is essentially a disengage champion, which counters engage champions and is countered by poke champions. It was a very poor example given the context. The main issue rn is that people are counter picking poke bot lanes with even pokier bot lanes. But I do hope that now the original triangle is re-established Btw, being aware of that triangle is way more important on the draft than the ""popular"" oh no we are full AD/full AP noise. It's much worse to be a full poke comp versus few engage champions, or be full melee engage, etc

any comp relies on communication and league players have no clue about communication considering 70% of the servers fail to even speak english

I like this - Ideas similar to this have been in discussion from the playerbase for a while. I generally like the idea, although I think for the duration of a whole split is too confusing for viewers and would introduce a variable that's hard to track in an already complicated esport. Instead I think that all pro play formats should be best of 3's like LCK and LPL, and players shouldn't be allowed to play the same champ twice in 1 series. Maybe it could also be a teamwide thing to reduce the amount of flex picks. Right now Jayce is a prominent mid and top laner, so teams would still pick him twice in a row once for each of their players. It is unbelievably boring to see the jungler play vi 3 games in a row in a series. I am tired of it.

this is insanely dumb

@@Exil22 This actually worked in another game I played: World of Tanks. The older seasons of competitive play would lock your tank for 48-72 hours if it was destroyed in battle, and often forced clans to either substitute with a similar tank or change their strategies to accommodate for not having a pile of the meta picks available for every battle. If I'm being perfectly honest, the game was a lot healthier back then.

Yeah champion lockout needs to be introduced

@@biggiecheese2004 Why? Lockout is a copout for a lazy company ignoring balancing issues. If people figure out the meta then change it instead of lazily imposing restrictions on what champions can be picked. Forcing pros to play "worse" champions will lead to terrible one sided games where whoever has the most meta picks autowins and play is even more stagnant.

There is a clip of t1 raging on the meta every day lul

they are too brainwashed by korean noobs thinking that this is a meta while it's not, ,thus the reason nobody talks about it.

But dota has much less skill expression compared to league, it mostly has point and click shit

@@kalls2k907 not the point, but yes, dota is mainly point and click.

@@UncleRimo I wanted to say, easy to balance heroes around point and click abilities that have high cooldowns, dota has some complex heroes too but when it comes to characters, league has more diversity and expansiveness, therefore certain champs are hard to balance because they overdo stuff on them or their items and then pretend like everything's okay, for example current state of maokai udyr Zac XD.

​@@UncleRimo its like its less micro but wayyyyy more macro.

@@kalls2k907 tell me you never played dota without telling me you never played dota

You CAN'T keep interest in a game by keeping it as it is when players play as much as they do with league. League has to be the way it is no matter if you like that or not. The only thing you can do is launch an old league version on a private server and play it with others. About your complaints: how does nami replace jenna? Both are strong encahnters both fade in and out of top tier regularly and I don't think champions only get replaced by new ones every other patch.

Your problem most likely isn't change, your problem is the unwillingness to adapt to it or the dedication to regularly play and keep yourself up to date.

@@tobias97erdt Idk tbh, there are games where the devs don't shake up things every 2 weeks and they still get played. But yeah, it's prbly important to keep the casuals playing (not that I am a pro, but talking about the people who only play 2 or 3 normals or arams a week). I think it's interesting when a patch stays for longer, so people can experiment more and find counter to seemingly strong picks. Meta shifts can happen even without huge patches

I agree. Instead of solving the problem Riot just moves it somewhere else. Ok adapting but costantly changing the rules because you can't fix the game (which isn't possible with over 140 characters) doesn't feel right.

@@binyot5505 fixing the game is a term so often used yet never explained what it looks like. Is a game with 50 champions fixable and game with 30 champions? No because perfect balance can't exists because different players have different approaches to play the game and different skill levels. You can't cater to every player ever no matter the number of champions. Changing who is in leading position and keeping the game fresh - that's what balancing patches are for. If you believe in the perfectly balanced games better play games where skill is no factor.

Glad you like them!

Sometimes perhaps way too simple... Thumbs down for the silly jinx Janna example. No matter the age, Janna is essentially a disengage champion, which counters engage champions and is countered by poke champions. It was a very poor example given the context. The main issue rn is that people are counter picking poke bot lanes with even pokier bot lanes. But I do hope that now the original triangle is re-established Btw, being aware of that triangle is way more important on the draft than the ""popular"" oh no we are full AD/full AP noise. It's much worse to be a full poke comp versus few engage champions, or be full melee engage, etc

15 min FF is already in normal games and I won't lie it's an improvement. I don't have to suffer the extra 5-10 minutes because someone thinks it's worth suffering for a sweet 10% chance of comeback in an increasingly snowbally meta.

Funny this also happened with runes and with the item rework They always claim to make These changes for more variaty and in the end it forces even more to do every game the same.

:)

I agree, bounties, tower platings, it is all shite. Tower platings were only introduced because they screwed up the part where leaving your lane would no longer put you behind for not getting enough xp anymore.

As a Soraka main, I have been really suffering in this game lately.

My Lil Kenny is also a pleasure :)

Yeah but you see that requires common sense on riots end

or just balance the game and make more champs viable?

@@Peto_IL_DUCA03 there's like 180 champs so I think it's difficult to balance them all and have them all be playable in the pros

@@deelaw. i agree, but i think that it's just better to think about balancing the game rather than find other ways, not saying that ALL tha champs need to be S tier, but at least not seeing the same champs over and over, and i think that your idea it maybe solve the problem for a viewer perspective, but for the pro player would just be annoying cuz it's like "for a game we will play trash champs and loose the game for it but next". Maybe i'm doing an argument for nothing lmao sorry

Its like you hope to have fun in this game

Yeah, some enchanters will be made irrelevant if they nerf spellthiefs.

@@HamsterPants522 they complain about enchanter's being too strong but the truth is that melee supports are too weak, what are you gonna do as Leona/Rell/Alistar 3 levels down on everyone with two items that don't even give you that many stats because they're support items. An enchantress can stay away and use their abilities safely, Leona can't do that she has to dive.

I loved the "boring tank support meta" was way more about strategy

I legit quit the game and started to play FF14. And its a vastly superior game than this indie shit.

Thumbs down for the silly jinx Janna example. No matter the age, Janna is essentially a disengage champion, which counters engage champions and is countered by poke champions. It was a very poor example given the context. The main issue rn is that people are counter picking poke bot lanes with even pokier bot lanes. But I do hope that now the original triangle is re-established Btw, being aware of that triangle is way more important on the draft than the ""popular"" oh no we are full AD/full AP noise. It's much worse to be a full poke comp versus few engage champions, or be full melee engage, etc

yes that idea to make it like that if from mlbb that has the lanes : gold,exp, mid, jg, roamer

Why not just quit? I did like last October. This game has been extremely horrible for like 2 years straight and this season was hardly playable that I only played ARAM.

@@zeppelincraft1443 they fucked aram as well. Do they have more tanks or as they are known today bruisers with jak sho ? Congratulations the game was lost from loading screen

old runes were the best

Bro moved from an inflated role to the weakest role😂

@@Lorenzo_631 Yeah, i know that 🤣 But this bot lane meta is simply not fun to me. I'd rather have fun than playing a role that i don't like anymore.

2 bans per person would be a welcome change. There were 6 total bans when the game had about 50-100 champs Now that we have over 150 champs, we have anywhere between 7-10 bans. There are quite a few repeat bans (both teams banning maokai etc) 7 bans in a game with this many champions feels terrible.

there shouldnt have to be 20 bans if they could just balance properly. But if they keep balancing like shit, sounds like a good idea

​@@braumski2 Oddly enough, it's sort of the other way around. If there are only 20 champs that are viable, then fewer bans are needed. However, if 50 champs are good in pro play because balancing is decent, you need more bans in order to actually express what you want. More even if every champ is viable. That's assuming you accept the premise that very good balance for pro play is impossible while maintaining a shred of champ identity and allowing low elo games to be playable. Sure, buff up Lux to be viable in pro play. Now she's pretty much a permaban for low elo. Or Nasus, Master Yi, etc

no one will miss a xerath supp, i do miss alistar, rakan, sona, janna, soraka, rell, you know ACTUAL supports

@@victoralejandrotrimmerestr3672 that is a more standard meta but I wouldn't call Janna vs raka more interesting. I give it a month before people are sick of them. Also usually it is only either enchanters or tanks for meta. Rarely both archetypes at the same time. Also for soloq I enchanters pretty boring. They are pretty much anti fun since they are so defensive and prevent kills.

@@negative1n139 janna v rakan is not necessarily more fun, what i want is more variety, and true supports to be played, not ashe sup all the time or heimerdinger

@@victoralejandrotrimmerestr3672 that's fair

I think he explained how oppressive dual ranged adc lane pressure at start is.Even if blitz can land a lvl 1 hook they lose the trade regardless

I guess the issue is you can still farm under tower when pushed by Blitzcrank or Thresh since they can't really threaten you there while minions protect you. That's not really possible against Cait and Ashe from my experience. They will kill you from outside turret range while easily attacking your minions as well. Your wave is never going to push back and they'll get a huge gold advantage and lane priority

​@@florinalinmarginean1135 I appreciate the replies, and I understand the concept of it, but my question is related to what changed? The advantages of ranged vs melee have always existed and Cait, Ashe could have pushed in 2018 but wasn't picked. What changed in the game to allow this changes? And I think that Exil usually breaks these concepts really well but this time I am left wondering.

@@juansaldana7976 I think he did explain it. He mentions turret changes, jungle changes meaning bot lane gets ganked after 30 seconds of lane starting, which is easier after two adcs can safely follow up. Or they start with automatically gaining lane prio just based off their safety and pressure

Now imagine playing Kindered. You have to invade for your passive but good luck taking down the gromp without bot and jg coming for you.

I'd argue the main problem with Yuumi is that she can permanently stay attached go the carry. Sure they made her mana costs so high that she has to pop out once in a while. But making her W temporary so that most of the time she has to be outside, would solve quite a lot of frustration.

@@etuanno Well literally with the W at max range you are a free item for your carry without spending an inventory space

the fold?

Actually true, this would make dodgin less of an issue too. Cuz I swear having to pick what to ban in jungle is a fucking pain, if I ban Udyr I get a Maokai, if I ban Maokai I get an Udyr, if both are banned OOPS HERE COMES VI WITH A CHAIR!

yeah, it was ridiculous that many ranged supports had their sup item finished in minute 8 and their mythic at the same time as the adc. in the meantime you were lucky if you were allowed to get enough cannon mininions to upgrade the frist time. being behind up to 800 g every single game for no reason but haveing the wrong support item really was obnoxious

This, since s10 every season feels like s10+1, s10+2, s10+3 and so on...

All these cool languages and they chose the coolest of them all. Facts.

For the people that want to play without playing. What the fuck was riot thinking

Yeah. Diver champions have to walk a very fine line. The meta for them is always volatile.

And the funny thing is even if he did nobody would play him in either lane. Pantheon's highest pick rate role is in fact support. Even though it's his worst.

cry about it

@@halone4254 L take, no champion should be removed from the game because of bad balancing (even yuumi doesn't deserve it).