The Metaverse Is The World's Deepest Money Pit 

Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake…

_"I'm so tired of having meetings that could just be emails."_ Absolutely, and that's the big glaring problem that the Zuck just doesn't seem to understand- the _entire world_ is getting sick of unnecessary virtual meetings.

I honestly hate how people are comparing the metaverse characters to the miis. The miis were great because they never tried to look realistic. They had a variety of expressions and situations that they could be used in but their simplicity gave them charm and they never fell into an uncanny valley. The metaverse character try looking realistic but since they don’t go all the way and try to look like what real life actually looks like, they look so dull, lifeless, and bland

"I'm so tired of having meetings that could have just been emails" hit me so hard

If Facebook loses everyone wins

I like how Mark is basically just like "what is the metaverse? Im glad you asked. All you need to know is that you love the metaverse and you always will" and expects us to just buy into it, still without knowing wtf it is

How does Zuck look more human in meta than in real life

The Metaverse exists solely to allow Zuck to live out his fantasy of having eyebrows.

The Metaverse would have been badass in 2001.

Whenever I hear about the Metaverse being presented as the future of business meetings, a chill goes down my spine imagining how many hours could be wasted interacting with stupid virtual avatars instead of just sending one damn email.

I honestly keep forgetting Metaverse exists until someone says how bad it's failing. Then I proceed to forget about it again and go about my day.

Essentially the Quest Pro is failing to appeal to workers because it would add an unacceptable level of intrusion and inconvenience to their jobs, and it’s failing to appeal to managers because it’s trying to provide a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist

I can't even begin to describe how uninterested I am in the Metaverse, other than as a form of amusement watching a billionaire flush billions down the toilet.

It's so insane how they are trying to get these virtual offices off the ground. No one wants to go to an office in real life, why would anyone want to wear a VR headset all day just to be in a virtual office? You don't get any of the benefits of working from home but you do get additional eye-strain. Sounds horrible

I absolutely love the Meta Verse. Because it costs them a ton of money while making no money back, and destroying their reputation amongst investors, and making banger memes. And if Meta looses Money, humanity gets a W.

No lower bodies means no "sexual harassment". I actually expect this to be one of the reasons behind that weird decision to not give the avatars a full body.

"Meta shot themselves in the legs which is probably why they have floating torsos" Nice.

It's hilarious that the old Oculus company actually had a working model for full body tracking using a webcam (not even a Kinect) before they were assimilated into Facebook, but it suddenly vanished after its showcase. Zuck is trying so hard to claim ownership over the VR space, meanwhile they're unable to get even the most basic functionality working while VRChat, NeosVR, ChilloutVR, ect. have done so for years.

The headset not being able to track your legs is not an excuse. Literally a couple of NEETs made a mod for Skyrim called VRIK, and it simulates your full body including legs and feet. It's not 100% accurate of course, but it does a damn good job at approximating your movement, all in a FREE MOD in a crappy VR port of a 2011 game using an engine from the early 2000s.

I think what Meta and social media is teaching everyone is simply that, at the end of the day, most people want REAL connections with real people in as real an environment as possible. We want virtual connections for that downtime in between.

Humans: We work in shitty offices and go to boring meetings. Metaverse: But just imagine if you worked in shitty offices and went to boring meetings... IN VR!

Minor correction: the tech behind the wii isn't 10 years older than metaverse. It's actually more than 20 years older than metaverse.

Meta Logic- Everyone: "Cant we just text each other?" Zuck: "No, the future is taking screenshots of our text messages and emailing them to each other"

I’ve found one really god use for it. A natural gas company here in Brazil is using it to replicate by the detail one of their gas plant. They are giving training for their staff without any risk of personal. Actually if you proceed to do some dumb mistake in the metaverse the plant explodes. Its like a plain simulator.

Nintendo doesn’t focus on graphics hardware, yet their games always look incredible. This is because they hire really, REALLY good artists. It looks like Facebook forgot to hire any artists at all on this project.

the idea of having something on you head , while working in a shop next to a ton of sharp objects like drill bits or machinery with bone crushing torque really does make me feel safe .

Please keep encouraging Facebook to burn money on the Metaverse.

2:05 Miis have been around far longer than 10 years. While the "Mii-Verse" as a term may have launched with the Wii U 10 years ago, Miis were a thing as far back as the original Wii in 2006. Meanwhile, the Wii used hardware very similar to what the Gamecube used in 2001, save for the full DVD drive and the motion controls. The Wii had the Mii program for creating Miis and also launched with Wii sports, a motion game that used the Miis directly. More nintendo licensed games would soon come out for the Wii that used the Miis as the playable protagonists over time, first adhering largely to the sports and "fitness" genres of gameplay and branching out over time. Also, I too would agree that the Miis are better than the Facebook characters, but because the Mii characters look noticeably better if you pay attention to details. The Miis at least had decent lighting on their bodies and a shiny sheen applied to them to prevent them from falling into the uncanny valley. Mii body parts weren't painted with a bright, flat fullbright color, as they appear to have color gradients and basic lighting, which breaks up the color and makes them easy on the eyes. Meanwhile, that facebook character in the GIF had completely constant "full-bright" lighting with completely flat and bright colors and no sheen of any kind. It hurts your eyes to look at the Facebook character. It's almost as if the Miis were designed by artists who knew how to design something that's appealing to look at, expressive, versatile, and simple to render even on old hardware, whereas the Facebook characters were designed by people whose job it is to maintain an aging social media site.

I have gotten a personal sense of glee watching numerous corporations strand themselves on the rocky, unforgiving beaches of VR. It is fucking bizarre how poorly silicon valley estimates it's own technological sophistication and ability, but I am here for it

It's morbidly fascinating to see a giant tech company like Facebook faceplant so completely. Billions of dollars spent and no one in the company dared to tell zuck his idea sucks. It sucks because it's outdated, crappily executed and serves no demand from anyone. No one told Mark that second life has already come and gone and had better graphics. They all just nodded with stupid grins when he pitched his ideas, grimacing in cringey pain behind his back while dusting up their resumes.

The Metaverse tries to recreate everything from reality that people try to escape from by going digital

Good insights into the metaverse. It reminds me of Second Life (SL). I used that early on, just a little bit, for remote meetings. It was not really something that useful. Zoom and MS Teams is more than fine for that purpose, with no extra hardware required. One of the things Meta touts is augmented reality. That can be useful for industrial companies but is not something a consumer would need. The spending by tech companies that rely in advertising, on everything, is just out of control. They have more employees than the companies that were involved in aerospace and defense. Believe me, their actual products are much simpler. I come from the A&D world. I will make a prediction. The metaverse, if they improve their graphics, will become a porn site, a lot like SL.

The worst thing is Zuck doesn't have a friend that will tell him his idea sucks.

I didn't even realise the Metaverse had launched yet. I assumed it was something they were still working on that might be launched a few years from now.

It's baffling that even 6th gen Tony Hawk games, which came out 15-20 years ago, look a lot better than the Metaverse. The game that Kenny used in his example is 16 years old. I know VR can be hungry for resources, but it's still not an excuse for the models to look like cheap cartoon models made by an indie game developer when the budget is a lot higher than most games. There's this thing called optimization, and I don't think Meta is using it.

1:27 LOL the little wii dude getting smacked by the basketball

Zune, Google Plus, Apple Maps, Google Glass, Windows Phone. They were all massive successes compared to the Metaversa. This is what happens when you have one person with unchecked power in a company who's completely lost touch with reality.

There's been leaked internal emails from Meta where managers say that their workers need to use the Metaverse more, and that they can't fall in love with it if they don't use it. In other words, Meta's own employees don't want to use the Metaverse for the very thing it was designed for, and are being made to because forcing them to will make them like it. Genius. I'm starting to wonder if this is some sort of money laundering scheme.

It's hilarious how extremely buff and extroverted looking the cgi team made Mark for the presentation, it perfectly encapsulates the cognitive dissonance of the entire project.

Zuck's distorted view on real life experiences. He's an alien in human form. That is his goal eventually.

Minor correction: Miis as a whole predate the Miiverse, which is basically twitter on Wii U, which did release when you said they did, 2015. Miis were unveilied as the main Avatar on the Wii in 2006, and still see use on the Switch today, even if they're more hidden than they once were.

Poor Zucc just wanted to create a virtual world in which his terrifying, shark-like, nothing-behind-the-eyes death stare is the norm...

Oh wow, I always thought the footage from the Metaverse was just a placeholder for the time when the real Metaverse would launch.

"I'm so tired of having meetings that should have just been e-mails." - Mental Outlaw and every corporate wagie ever

I, for one, applaud Facebook / Meta for driving itself into the ground by using all its money to advance VR technology. This way we get both better VR tech faster AND no more Facebook. To me that's a win/win.

Their biggest problem is that in their attempt to appeal to normies and investors they made sure their metaverse is as inoffensive and locked-down as possible. Which is the total opposite of the relatively successful VR-Chat where anarchy reigns. Maybe if VR headsets were as comfortable as normal glasses and no more expensive than a really cheap smartphone that would work. But I doubt this will happen within the next decade or so.

The fact this is failing is restoring my faith in humanity

Meta’s decisions are currently hurting or may hurt even further the VR industry. There are places where virtual reality is being used as a hang out space that are way better than anything we currently see from Meta or things that tag themselves as being part of the “Metaverse”. Sadly, these things are more than likely gonna be hurt by these bad decisions.

"Over engineered meetings" is a perfect way to describe the whole meta concept.

An idea like Metaverse already existed in Second Life. People had virtual avatars and bought (with real money) virtual land in an online platform that was nothing more than a glorified chat room. The difference is that it was fun, you could make stuff in the built in 3d engine (anything you could imagine) and people used it to escape reality for a few hours. Meta is none of that.

Oh the schadenfreude I feel from watching Zuck fail is just wonderful. He represents the first of these insufferable nerdy american boys who get stupid rich from collecting data like a tech-obsessed goblin. I would *hate* to be forced to do company stuff in the Metaverse. Lord knows, the people where I work struggle as is with zoom calls. Every time at least one person has a shite microphone, patchy internet, or can't figure out how to invite someone.

Zuck’s Meta Avatar is about the only thing creepier than Zuck himself. I’m looking forward to Facebook being a penny stock and Zuck returning to whatever planet he came from

The hubris of Mark to think he could just storm into VR and revolutionize the industry when he's already a decade behind the rest of the world.

The problem I have with the Metaverse is that it has no purpose. Like, RU-vid is for videos, Reddit is the Internet divided into small parts by different topics, Twitter is a place where companies announce news and people argue, games are supposed to be played, and so on. A successful product needs a clearly defined purpose, while Meta's goal is to build a third life which is very abstract and obscure and is not really needed.

We got rid of FB last year and will have nothing to do with a metaverse. Our quality of life increased significantly when we decoupled from FB. I recommend everyone do the same and spend time with friends in the real world instead.

What the Metaverse should be used for is creativity. That's really all it's good for. I would love to work remotely in a 3D space with other employees to animate entire scenes for movies, tv shows and video games. For a reference look up Dreams for ps4/5 or Quill VR. In Horizon Worlds we could share games and animated experiences with everyone and see some of them in either our own spaces or in one Big Meta City with tons of games and experiences to see and do. It's all there, Zuckerberg just has to put on the effort.

Zuckerberg simply wanted to turn the "Metaverse" into something like The Oasis from Ready Player One, that's why he was so hard on it and made the push around when the Oculus Quest 2 released. It's simply just too early to monopolize on something like this and now he's paying for it lmao

I just love this lore of, you want the characters to have legs? You want shadows? That'll cost the budget of a medium-sized national government

It's disturbing how persistent Ol' zucky is to try and convince everyone that this is the future, and how "worth it" it is to use it. Still cannot figure out if his real lizard form or his virtual form is more terrifying to look at. Also the zoom in on the basket ball to the face was chef's kiss. Love your content dude.

VR dev here! I work in academia, so I really hate metaverse because its made it really difficult to have VR in a lab environment. However, id like to provide some context to the issues you bring up, since some of these are def metaverse being silly as hell, but some are actually - believe it or not - just kind of VR best practices. - First: VR has to render the scene stereoscopically. This means it renders the same scene twice from different perspectives (once to the left eye and once to the right eye) to get a realistic illusion of depth (you could render once then copy one eye to the other, but its not as believable and can be nauseating). Vr also must track a lot of positional data. This means VR apps need to be super optimized, so they can only handle graphics about as good as a mobile phone. Now, metaverse is ugly ugly and they worked very poorly within those constraints, but its super misleading and... really completely unapplicable to compare VR capabilities to something like ffxii (good taste though) or graphics in AAA games. Miiverse is a great example though, as those models were built to communicate character and expression without HD graphics. VR chat would also be a good example, or even vtubers! because you can see what people have done with 10k polygon limitations in VR :) (seriously, imagine if your polygon limit was the equivalent of a kratos nipple) - Dynamic shadows are extremely expensive to process as well, and from the perspective of someone in VR, you rarely rarely look down at your legs or notice not having shadows. When I introduce someone to VR, not having legs is often one of the first observations, but its... never reallly brought up again! Also: legs can actually be nauseating if theyre in app, because - like you mentioned - tracking can rarely work well for legs. Not just technologically, but practically! Different heights can mean sensors within the HMD- which have become more commonplace- cant really see the feet of taller people. If the legs are out of sync with your actual feet, it can cause simulation sickness (essentially reverse motion sickness). Also- you guessed it, cutting out an ultimately unnecessary part of the model saves on our 'budget' for graphics. Basically, no legs is standard in VR, even preferrable, but it looks weirder when youre watching footage and not in VR. Granted, this really only works for solo vr games - in multiplayer its just as weird. - quest pro virtual office is a total fucking meme to vr devs. Its absolutely ridiculous. No one wants to wear a headset that long, hands down, theyre way too uncomfortable and heavy. One thing my team always asks before taking on a project is: does this need to be VR? And in this case: hell no! (Edited bc my - marks made it strikethrough lol)

"Meta is shooting themselves in the legs, which, I guess, explains the floating torsos." That was brilliant!

As someone who works at a desk, I can tell you that it's not trivial to find headphones that still feel good on your head after 8 hours. Finding a VR headset that does that sounds like an impossible task.

I love Meta trying so hard to ignore that VRchat has done everything they're trying to do, but better and 4 years ago. FBT, Inverse kinematics, hand tracking with knuckles or LEAP motion, lifelike expressive user made avatars etc

When he first unveiled "meta" it looked more like a bad pitch for a black mirror episode than something that belongs in reality. I'm still not convinced Mark Zuckerberg isn't waring a man suit like an alien from Men in Black. Strange, strange man.

Imagine working at Facebook and Zucc making you put on a quest 2 and going into the metaverse to hear a meeting from H.R. explaining the latest "community standards" at Facebook.

Mark is gonna stay in history as the man who had the goose that laid the golden eggs and shot it in the head. May it rest in feathers.

The funniest thing is that Meta has lost an additional 30% since this video was recorded.

The fact that they felt the need to announce LEGS is insane

Metaverse -- the world where Zuck can finally realise his dream of being a real boy.

I fear the idea behind this is to further control remote workers by allowing their bosses to check what they are physically doing.

I've always been deeply suspicious of metaverse for its focus on work and commerce, the money things. People want vr for leisure and novelty. Nobody wants to be in a virtual world where your boss is the server admin.

No Netflix, No Facebook, No Amazon and Microsoft was never in there. What are we left with? GA? like the duck?!

I work in my schools IT department. I can only imagine the hell this would cause as 65 year olds try to figure out how to use this when they can’t even properly connect to a printer

This is why it's important for your business to have a reputation along with your profits. When you unveil your next product or virtual platform, your years of customer neglect are going to have an impact on how much hype there is for your products. Edit: That, and the fact people can't compare your platform to the Miiverse because your graphics look placeholders for a Wii game. No passion went into this.

I work at Best Buy. I had a Meta representative come in to show off the Quest Pro. First of all, I heard rumors that she was high and tweaking out in the break room which is cool. Anyway, she couldn't give me a straight answer on what I would really be spending $1500 on and using this headset for. I own a Quest 2 and barely find any use out of it because there's simply no "killer app" that makes me want or need to use the headset daily. Finally, she left for a bit so I snuck the Quest Pro out of the box to try it again before I had to leave, and noticed the thing was HOT. Like, burning hot to the touch, so it really gives me confidence that this $1500 headset isn't going to just burn up and stop working after a few months. Way to go, Meta!

The remark about the probability of aliens coming to us and they all looking like Mark, made me give you like!!

I'm a massive introvert and work from home because of it and even to me the metaverse sounds like the most depressing and un-interesting "product" to come out of a billion dollar companies ass yet.

There are 3 tiers of being in Metaverse lore: 1.) The Zucc The Demiurg of this cruel world. He sees everything and can manipulate all aspects of reality AT will. 2.) The Legged The aristocrat class. They acquired funds through dubious means and now rule over the rest of the unfortunate beings. 3.) The Legless The absolute trash of lower society. No means to live and no food, they must roam the land. When they get too weak, their floating abilities fade and they collapse.

Only in the Metaverse: "you'll have no legs and you will be happy"

I honestly didn't even realise the Metaverse was "Functional" until just now... This is hilarious

Their excuse for legs is ridiculous. You can just do what literally every video game ever does which checks your height vs the floor with feet colliders, and the knees automatically bend to accommodate.

It's almost like Zucc knows he's created a dangerous monster so he turned the company into meta and is trying to ruin it at all costs in some kind of redemption move.

If social media died tomorrow, the world would be a better place. If the internet went back to being a place for information and business, society would improve.

So basically Meta is trying to add extra steps to using a computer.

To me, the Metaverse represents the apotheosis of every bit of trite, meaningless corporate drivel and every soulless tech startup ambitious for monopoly over the past 20 years. It's a parody of itself. The product doesn't matter. The plan is to sell you nothing, and you will buy it because you'll be forced to (by your boss or investors or whatever). It's digital landlordism - providing you, the customer, with nothing while they collect their fee for every little interaction because they own the entire platform. Fortunately, they seem to have forgotten that the real world exists, and these moronic ideas explode on contact with reality as soon as they leave their incubators in the ivory towers of silicon valley's billionaire boardrooms. Good fucking riddance.

It's wonderful that Zuck fancies himself as the face of the company, because no one could possibly turn away participants more easily than the king of creep himself.

I really don't see the benefits of a virtual avatar conversation over that of a simple video call or even just regular phone call. The Metaverse is a solution to a problem that does not exist. A growing trend in this day n age.

The thing that really gets me is how the "Metaverse" is supposed to be this ideal virtual world to make things more convenient, only for it to end up being much more costly and inconvenient then any other method of work, communication and entertainment. As someone who actually still believes VR has a ton of potential, I think Zuckerberg believes he is in a parallel universe where work and how people interact are set up completely different from our reality, and it really couldn't be more fitting for a guy like him.

How did MZ not realise the simple fact that the metaverse doesn't make anything simpler or quicker?

I really don't understand how it's possible to spend such a big amount of money and come out with something that bad. I really feel that 3 good devs can make something better in maybe less than 2 years. How is it even possible?

Zuck: Hey what if we did vrchat but uglier, remove all the fun and freedom, and make people pay for dumb things like applaud. What do you guys think? Room is silent Zuck: Why is nobody applauding?

I enjoy hearing large companies fail, but I am so very worried about what will happen if Metaverse takes off.

Now that the metaverse grift is over, I wonder what tech companies are gonna flock to next

The idea of the metaverse is actually a really good idea that was not invented by Zuckerberg. It's just Meta's version of that vision that sucks. Meta tries very hard to ignore that VRChat both exists and already does most of what Meta only proposes to do. In fact, the fake demonstration that Meta did during Connect could have actually been performed in VRChat using real VR gear... and it could have been done 4 years ago on that platform with the commercially available VR gear of the time.

"They also shoot themselves in the leg, that explains the floating torsos". Give this man a joke award or 1000 u$s in applause points from meta hangout room

I feel like we should be hyping the hell out of the Meta just to convince Lizard man to sink all of his money into it before it fails. The more he loses the more humanity wins.

The Miiverse actually looked inviting and fun. Metaverse looks like the backrooms with better lighting.

I genuinely hate internet . We just actually take internet so casually , like reading an article about the health and anything like that but the thing that we suppose to understand is that these things provokes thoughts and when these things provokes thoughts it directly comes into our actions and then we act accordingly . Just , look your actions there is a thought (means some words) behind that .

Bro...10 years ago?? Miis came out in 2006 with the launch of the Wii. And yes, maybe the shitty graphics of the Mii avatars could be attributed to dated hardware at that time, but honestly - I think it was more of a deliberate aesthetic choice. The minimalist design works well for what Miis are. They don't need to be hyper realistic, nor should they be. That would be weird. The reason why that same aesthetic falls flat with the metaverse is because the character design as a whole is not cohesive at all. Like, the 1 to 1 mocap tracking of VR arms combined with the shitty graphics creates a sort of uncanny valley vibe. It's also just...ugly. Ugly and generic.

Recessions are part of the economic cycle, all you can do is make sure you're prepared and plan accordingly. I graduated into a recession (2009). My 1st job after college was aerial acrobat on cruise ships. Today I'm a VP at a global company, own 3 rental properties, invest in stocks and biz, built my own business, and have my net worth increase by $500k in the last 4 years.