The Moment That Changed My Opinion of Shadowheart Forever 

I always thought i had to persuade her (and waste all my inspiration points to overcome that hard DC30 skill check) in order to change her mind. The narrator even told me that, thanks to my strong bond with SH, i might be able to turn her "from the path of duty to the path of light" so i just assumed that i had to do something because staying silent would be like giving the green light to the killing. Didn't know this was an option. Seems kinda weird though, because not only it contradicts what the game tells me through the narrator (that i need to get involved), but also because SH was so determined to obey Shar just a few seconds before that it's strange to see her change her mind so quickly.

That's why I like the design of this part so much: you need to have absolute FAITH in Shadowheart. In that she will do the right thing even if the narrator is saying the opposite and the cost for her can be unimaginable. You have to trust all those brief but important moments (every time her hand hurt her is a hint) that she proved she is still a "good" person despite being brainwashed by Shar most of her life. It's brilliant. You need absolute faith in her love, and well, faith and love are what her arc is all about @@SirAlric82

@@SirAlric82 According to my information it depends on whether YOUR actions up to this point have been good or evil. Show her an evil example, and she follows suit. Show her a good example, and she reflexively leans to good even left to her own devices.

@@SpaceTimeSorcerer - Oh, i like to hear that! I hope you're right and that's indeed the case

I was worried she would kill her. Now I feel kind of bad for not trusting her. Next playthrough I will.

Jennifer English CRUSHED the lines in that segment. She really really brought Shadowheart to life here. 🥺

Shart is taking a shit in past tense

What I love the most is that you can do NOTHING, SAY nothing, and she does it. It's just her. For her to kill the Aasimar, you actively have to encourage Shart to do it.

letting her make the decision without even clicking the persuade option after starting a romance with her, having faith in her, and her living up to it, is a moment in gaming I will never forget I don't know why, I saved beforehand, and I would have reloaded, but clicking the button to let her decide on her own was still nerve wracking

why did you abbreviate her name to shart lol

@@AimlessSavant lmfao its like you shit and fart at the same time and ppl usually call it "shart" actually a funny nickname

Also breaking backs both in the bedroom and outside of it 🤪

I like Aylin better than some of the companions if I’m being honest.

Honestly, I can get on board with that. I don't know much about D&D lore, but I always thought it odd that Shar, who wants to restore endless darkness, would provide magic in the form of radiance.

@@godoflemmings17 Just adding a bit of D&D Lore here!: Most deities do not care what type of damage you use as long as you use it to follow their will. Also, most spells can change how they look depending on the caster but it was Larian decision to make them look radiant (for example; Spiritual Weapon and Spirits Guardians look very shiny in the game, but on D&D they could have looked like... dark voids if Shadowheart desired)

Having played a pen a paper cleric of Selune for a whopping 10 years... that is typical Selune. Selune can present herself in many different moods as different are the moon phases, but she is always a motherly, calm presence.

​@@heyyou193that is kinda cool though shar clerics having shadow themed cleric spells. That aside, dont cleric abilities get granted by their deity? They even point this out when shar discarded her. Like she questions what fuels her power anymore. Seluné really is goated.

Yeah, it would fit Selune well. Shar can play the rewarding mother all she wants, but to Aylin's point, her clerics are just tools. Meanwhile, Selune is known for going to her clerics when called in times of need - a rarity for D&D gods.

The extra effort paid off so unbelievably well. I can't wait to see what else this game has yet to show me. 😩

So true, Divinity original sin 2 was a technical triumph, but I could never really get into the story. It would appear that problem has been solved.

@@shaantitus1538 There is a "Candle scene" with Lohse's personal story in DOS2 that will stay with me to my grave. But beyond that they were really held back on how visually stunning they could have made their presentation. They really hit their stride with BG3 and here's hoping they can keep it going with their future projects!

He said the they actually over hired the number of writers for bg3 to be on the safe side.

It is now in my "most memorable game moments" in my head.

wait till you see Aylin cast Bane in act 3.

Goosebumps at first, but when I experienced her as a free woman, and how much a Karen she is, the only thing that's keeping me from killing her are the people in Last Light Inn. X(

@@bukojoetheslapsoils8273 imagine being imprisoned in a realm totally opposite to your being (daughter of Selune in shadowfell), tortured and killed multiple times, but unable to die for over 100 years by the father of your lover.

​@@bukojoetheslapsoils8273 idk what youre on lol. Just imagine being trapped in some dark place by the worst enemy of your mother, getting tortured and killed for 100 years cuz youre immortal. You wont go out without scars, either from body or soul. I dont think you would Act as if nothing ever happened. She isnt acting like a Karen idk what youre talking about

Even Minthara shows compassion for Shadowheart if she choses to reject Shar. She says something along the lines of "It would have been more beneficial for us if Shadowheart became a Dark Justiciar, but it is better for Shadowheart this way". I'm paraphrasing of course, I don't remember the exact line.

late to the party, but in my head canon Shart and Lae'zel totally become friends. they have a lot in common, defying fascist evil (pseudo) deities and such like.

SAME. After I found out what/who the Nightsong actually was, I don't think I have it in me to ever do it differently.

Spoilers** It's not as good character wise but it's still interesting. Shar makes her a dark justicar and charges her to cleanse the followers in baldurs gate, that the leader has strayed from shar. And you can persuade a large number to join your side in that fight which makes it different in a fun way. She is still given the choice to kill her parents and by doing so becomes the Shars right hand and you can summon dark justiciars in final fight

Happy wife, happy life? 😅 Shar worship may be kind of evil, but I still wanted our girl to be happy.

@@terabellumwith Shar worship? You’re never happy. She’s the lady of loss not happiness

@@terabellum I saw, what becomes out of SH as Dark Justiciar -- yes you can journey on with her, but she will become a soulless puppy of her goddess and does not even recognize her own parents any more.

It always seemed weird that Sharrans and Dark Justiciars seem to be more feared than the other evil gods and their followers. “Baal and his murder cultists and spawn? Scary! Shar and her followers wanting to shroud the word in darkness? Gods have mercy on our souls”

@@Haley123ful I think cause everyone knows Bhaal will just torture and murder you. Shar is a lot more elusive and for those who know anything about her, knows that she’ll do a lot worse than just simple torture and murder.

Seems like most of the cinematic budget went to Shart and the writing budget went to Laezel. Haha

I did the same. Easiest fight ever 😂

Because I pried into her thoughts RIGHT before this, I was terrified she was going to go through with it. Chat convinced me to trust her, and I have ZERO regrets.

@@terabellum I know, I was feeling the same first time around, took a second playthrough to understand Shadowheart completely! On a first go, I begged her not to kill Nightsong, and conviced her by persuasion, although spent 3 inspiration points in a process! Second time around I was focused on Shadowheart, and was building my story in the way she'd love, and realized that trust is the key with her! Now I finally play tactician, and couldn't bring myself to let her become dark justiciar this time around also, cause I heard you couldn't romance her afterwards at all, Shar becomes her life! It is a challenging on tactician, but I have background knowledge of Divinity Original Sin 2, Larian's previous masterpice, and that gave me an edge, it's not the same, but similar combat, and also, you have freedom to do ANYTHING! Both games, legends!

For me because I was in coop and my friend started the cutscene, shadowheart doesn't say anything until after than reacts as if I stopped her :S I wrongly assumed she would come back later on in the playthrough... So of course I immediately played again and I just got to this point now.

Yeah first playthrough, I tried to persuade her but my pally only had like a +6 and I left behind any other boons for increasing it. Wouldn't even kind of pretend I was okay with killing Aylin even though we were the bestest of friends. Knocked her out. Later, reloaded and tried to kill her and revive her (she is not revivable after fighting her there), and finally went wayyyy back and beat that DC 30 check with some help from Wyll who had guidance from getting magic initiate bard spells. And maybe some item boons. I knew I could say one of the things like 'if you have to' and then tell her ah, nah, Aylin knows things, spare her, but that first bit of making it seem like I was on board with killing Aylin would've broken my RP too much

who got The Best? in your opinion

@@marekw7562 Dark Urge, no question. So closely tied into the whole main story of BG3.

​@@dianabialaskahansen2972playing as a durge that romanced shadowheart, I agree lol

I was tempted to mutliclass gloom stalker on him, but the sneak attack numbers are just so damn juicy 😩

SAME.

She bats for the other team tho

@@ArjunSidhan I play both but unfortunately she seems quite taken already

​@ArjunSidhan And you know that she doesn't play both teams how exactly?

Also the voice actor, the sadness in the eyes, and the motion of the char is done so well. I cried over Laezel,Astarion, and Shadowheart.

I could've sworn I tried that and she still killed Nightsong lmao. Maybe I just didn't trust her that much in the face of potentially killing a seemingly innocent person. My character in playthrough one would not let that happen

it depends on how you played up to that path and if she trusts you. If you managed to be a "good" character and she trusts you, she will spare her. If she trusts you and you're an evil character, she will kill.

Wait, seriously?! I wonder what determines if she goes through with it or not. I was choosing mostly "good" options throughout the game, and my relationship with Shadowheart was decently high at the time.

Its based on your actions throughout the game. Grove, sparing the owlbear cub, generally good actions that makes her hand hurt.. All this leads to her abandoning Shar.@@terabellum

​@@VonValanciusThat's amazing. I really am glad you don't have to pass the checks for this outcome.

​@@VonValanciusOH my God, you can TEACH her to be good or evil?! That's so insanely cool.

Honestly so satisfying trusting Shadowheart and letting the scene play out lol. I like that I don't have to whisper in her ear about what to do. Also there's a funny scene I remember that if you throw away the spear before meeting Aylin (Nightsong), Shar will scream at Shadowheart for being stupid lol.

I actually abandoned a "commit durge" playthrough because I felt awful 😅

"BG3 is a hard game for me to play as a evil character... there is too much unnecessery evil to participate in.". Read that again. Slowly. xD Theres a reason its called an evil run. Calling it unecessary is already defining it from a good characters POV lol Its RP. aka Not real. Go into it with the intent of being a selfish villain, not as a goodhearted morality paladin xD Thats the glory of DND. You can see how far you can push an RP before it breaks, its not real, thats why its called RP. In normal games you are forced to follow one path, or choices are predefined as right or wrong before you even arrive, where the "wrong" choice automatically leads to instant or rapid loss. With RP in a game like this, you can take choices you know are wrong IRL, but makes sense according to the pre-defined RP you set out to play as.

@@LilyMrrgglton what I mean by that is, in BG3 you can be evil idiot who harm others for no benefit. The moments when you feel like an evil mastermind are almost non-existent. You can be unkind or cruel. But the only moment you can succeed as villain is the end of a game

I think the version of the legendary spear she gets with Selune is slightly better, IIRC. The moonlight glaive Aylin gives you immediately is also pretty great.

@thomasjoychild4962 I just realized auto predict messed up the word "abilities." I don't even know if what was there before was even a word. Phones are dumb sometimes.

@@necrobabe6190 Absolutely. There's at least one other companion whose... worse, path gets them very good abilities too.

I KNOWW. Thankfully, chat passed a persuasion check on me to trust her. 😅

It's one of my favoute things that it had such a high dc to talk her out of it but if you do nothing and trust her she makes the choice (good character story telling :) )@@terabellum

She literally worshipped Shar, Jaxon.