The Moral Dilemma of Quitting Medicine - Mealtime Mondays ft.

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@Sunny-tl6qg 2 года назад

I think you are both right, it just that Elizabeth has a real passion for being a doctor. She tries to give a logic reason but she can't because it's her heart that talks to her.

@gemmashort7058 2 года назад

As a young person with complex chronic illness, I found this debate really interesting! I think it would be cool if you interviewed someone with complex chronic health, as we typically have a lot of experience with doctors. We notice when doctors don’t love their jobs, we notice when doctors are only in their job to receive praise, we notice when doctors walk away because they can’t save our life! All of the things you guys have said and debated us patients notice!

@shakir4969 2 года назад

This is so true. The lack of passion really makes a difference when it comes to the quality of the work. In this case, with the abundance of doctors in the UK, might as well just leave medicine if you get the chance to.

@RedDevilStudio 2 года назад

@@shakir4969 Abudance of doctors? The opposite is true my friend.

@Penguinandpear 2 года назад

Yes! I’ve had to diagnose myself twice with serious debilitating conditions (then seek diagnosis). I think interviewing someone with chronic health would be a very dynamic use of this channel. However it shouldn’t turn into a consultation more what can we learn from this person’s experience of working with drs. This could be really powerful for the nhs!

@shakir4969 2 года назад

@@RedDevilStudio I just took the info from Ali but I don't think abundance was the right word.

@RedDevilStudio 2 года назад

@@shakir4969 I’m just saying, if everyone who didn’t have ‘passion’ left the NHS it would be in much worse position then it is now. Most hospitals and surgeries are understaffed, waiting lists are high etc. Idealism is fine, but it’s not realistic or practical

@TlhomphoDitedu 2 года назад

As a final medical student in the UK, I can say I get why medicine would not be attractive to the both of you. The truth is the financial reward of medicine in the UK is not enough for you guys to leave your digital entrepreneurship careers. And it really is that simple. You don’t want to give that up and that’s ok. Why would you want to.

@TlhomphoDitedu 2 года назад

Definitely. It’s highly overrated. Ali said once… he became a doctor for the prestige. I think that’s a lot of people. Then you get to the job and realise, prestige is all you have 😂😂😂😂. Less money than other people you weee smarter than in school; zero autonomy… never ending portfolio requirements, exams you have to pay for etc. Someone has to do it I guess.

@DiLLZGFX 2 года назад

This is a classic situation of being a student Vs actually working. When you're a student (especially at king's) your taught to think and believe in the way that Elizabeth does. Ali's thinking is exactly what you feel like when you start working. After my first year of working in a London hospital, I hundred percent can see where Ali is coming from. Working in a hospital really isn't a glamorous as it's taught to be. Additionally, the attitudes staff have towards you as student Vs a professional is completely different.

@angelwings7404 2 года назад

This holds true even where I come from, we were made to believe/feel medicine and working as a doctor is hospital is very glamorous and then reality happened! I absolutely agree with Ali's point of view since I've been on both sides (Elizabeth on the other hand is seeing things from the side of being a student)

@elizabethlau9604 2 года назад

I need to back this comment up because it bears a great truth. When you’re a medical student (not in the US system), it’s a very different experience from being a practicing doctor on the wards who is responsible for the care of your patients. I am glad that she was able to have the insight to consider “will i enjoy this lifestyle when i’m in my 30s and 40s” because that’s something when you’re in your late teens or early 20s with a dream/passion that you don’t always consider.

@DemetriPanici 2 года назад

Upload this to podcast platforms! You've got nothing to lose

@shakir4969 2 года назад

It's harder to monetize and they have to find sponsors to do it rather than just letting google adsense do the job for them.

@immersivestudyandliving4272 2 года назад

As a doctor who left medical profession, I really enjoyed this deep conversations. I can relate to Elizabeth’s point of view like emotional aspects, moral obligations, feeling guilty and literally went through all of these stages. Now I totally agree with Ali’s perspective on purpose and passion. Instead of changing my purpose, helping people with my medical knowledge, I found another way of doing it. Looking forward to hear more on this topic from you guys in future.

@hibbear 2 года назад

This is so complex. I really admire the fact that Ali is so transparent and admits that it’s not the patient aspect of Medicine that he enjoys but rather the teaching aspect of it, which is not usual for doctors to admit or nice for patients to hear but is probably the reality for many doctors regardless. I don’t think that Ali should be made to feel guilty because it’s true that he has inspired thousands (including myself) and had a bigger impact as a RU-vidr than as a doctor, even if those impacts aren’t directly comparable. I do however disagree with him reasoning by saying if he hadn’t gotten into medical school, the next person down the line would have. Even though that’s true, it didn’t happen and it was Ali that became the doctor not the next person on the list. I can see how that would make people like Elizabeth feel that it is unfair or wrong that someone who has willingly trained to become a doctor would then change their mind, taking away that chance for someone else to have the impact on patients. Most of the blame I think is on the school system that forces us to decide what we want to do for life at 16 years old. But then again, if Ali hadn’t become a doctor, he wouldn’t have had the online impact that helped him confirm that he wasn’t going to dedicate his life to Medicine.

@farvaalikhan3761 2 года назад

Ali carrying on Sheens traditions !

@AhmetKaan 2 года назад

*"Sometimes you must hurt in order to know, fall in order to grow, lose in order to gain because life's greatest lessons are learned through pain."*

@root2588 2 года назад

This "impact and fun" separation is awesome, it helps me think more clearly about my decision on medicine. Thanks :)

@sinemcelcius 2 года назад

Haha I remember you mentioning that on Sheen’ s Woke Wednesdays: ”Maybe I should doing Mealtime Mondays.”

@katiavione 2 года назад

I think the fundamental difference between Ali’s and Elizabeth’s view about leaving medicine is the “it has to be me” belief which appears to be implied in Elizabeth’s justification. I don’t have the numbers but I suppose most people who go through medicine school do not leave the profession? So the impact of the odd person leaving is really not big on the healthcare system or individual patients. As Ali said, someone will be there to care for each individual patient and make an impact on their lives. Nevertheless, the impact on the person’s own life if/when they leave medicine to do something that is personally more fulfilling for them (e.g, having time for their family; helping thousands online) has to be better. It’s not really selfish trying to have a fulfilling life, whatever that is, as long as it’s not hurting others. The truth is we are not really needed anywhere, our importance in the great scheme of things is negligible (unless we’re saving thousands of lives, finding a cure for something, addressing poverty in a large scale etc) so we should just try to live as best as we can, helping others has so many shapes and forms, being a doctor is not a superior form, it’s just one of the possibilities. Btw my brother is a doctor and is the person that I admire the most in life, not because he’s a doctor, because he cares about people in whatever he does.

@arijitpathak8920 2 года назад

This series is literally the best!

@boozeberryjam 2 года назад

Some food for thought: - Doctors can make a positive impact, sure, they help... but can the opposite exist? A doctor who doesn't want to be there, a doctor who is tired, cynical and sleep-deprived, and just disillusioned with their career choice. So the impact here is negative - this being the case, what is better? A person who trained and spent time working as a doctor in a 40 year career, but preferred to do something else? Or a medical student who dropped out and decided to do something that s/he is passionate about? - The idea that doctors are special (and they are, but they also aren't) belittles other professions - where do nurses fit into this equation, or administrators, or teachers in low-ses communities, or lawyers, or engineers, or even cleaners? Is the work that they do less important?

@shivangigusain24 2 года назад

And that's why I love discussions. Thank you Ali for putting it out so well. 🍀🌸

@haseena1001 2 года назад

Hi Ali and Elizabeth - This was a fascinating discussion which I ended up debating with others. Look forward to seeing more conversations like this. 🔥😊

@nazahafreen 2 года назад

The answer to the questions 'if you ever feel guilty for not helping when you can?' is amazing. The rational you gave is what I would have done in my life with my decisions. I am not in medicine. But I can see this answer play out in various professions.

@CLIPDASH975 2 года назад

your argumentation skills are dope!

@davidgoggin7921 2 года назад

That was refreshingly real relative to much of what comes out on the internet.

@vaneenusa1776 2 года назад

I love how Ali is such a logical person. Logic is such an asset in discussions.

@anannyapandey249 2 года назад

It's an asset everywhere really.

@aservant1284 2 года назад

Important

@vaneenusa1776 2 года назад

@@anannyapandey249 you’re right.

@glokjdfngkjsdnf1104 2 года назад

This was a very interesting discussion and feels right for second channel for the medical theme of the conversation

@yashjain4618 2 года назад

These videos teach us so many things subconsciously!

@KayaRaleigh13 2 года назад

Felt like I was sitting in one of my college philosophy classes with this one. Great discussion! and good points from both sides. So much food for thought

@Penguinandpear 2 года назад

Interesting discussion! I personally feel that while the nhs is oversubscribed with people wanting to train as drs, the nhs is not oversubscribed with amazing drs. Don’t get me wrong, There are many great drs and I admire anyone who goes into such a challenging field but I feel there are many who become drs for what I perceive to be the wrong reasons. When you enter a consultation with a dr as a patient it is very very clear where they stand/why they are doing it in my opinion and experience. With this in mind I’d say if there are any doubts about whether to become a dr /you are not sure it’s for you etc take as much time as you need to decide because it would be better for another person who was very passionate to take that place (assuming that would happen). I also feel that impact doesn’t have to be about numbers ie how many lives can I save but can be about the impact you have on that one patient you served. When patients visit a surgery or hospital it’s a scary vulnerable position to be in and having a dr who has the charisma and passion to make you feel like you matter will make a huge impact in that persons life. So I feel like there should be no guilt in doing what your heart desires because your passion will do more good in the long run, whichever type of setting you serve in.

@840isaac 2 года назад

As a early take away in the video is that no one should feel forced to be part of a field because of the moral obligation their education imposes on them. We all can choose our profession incorrectly and it does not mean we must stay just because we have „the skills“. It is also important we feel fulfilled with our professional path, and sometimes we must put ourselves as a priority as well to find happiness, the rest does not matter. The guilt is just external pressure put on you for choosing yourself. Also, any person can have an impact on someone else‘s life. The profession does not come into account. As a doctor can save life, a person can save someone by being kind, by being there, by listening. We, as individuals, have the power to affect so much in others.

@Akta 2 года назад

This randomly shows up on my homepage and I'm so glad it did, I find it super relatable now that I've quit dentistry. I feel the same way as Ali does with it in that I don't carry any guilt and can see it in a much more logical way/don't mind the sunk costs

@brodyhoelscher 2 года назад

Wow. Ali and Elizabeth. I work in a ER in the U.S. Ive worked in healthcare for over a decade now and always had this calling to it. but lately iv have felt this need for something different. There is something about medicine that just sucks in you in, but what I started valuing was my time, and my family. I started learning about photography and video and started a RU-vid channel recently and have found this passion for it. I know what would love and thats to work for myself, spend time with my family and see the world. I think is medicine really what I want to do forever. but I find it hard to leave because of the selfish and ego part. Who am I if I leave? and how do I find myself in this new world of trying to help people and be a RU-vid, or blogger or whatever it may be. I truly love your discussion and it is exactly how I have been feeling. It's nice hearing your perspectives and is refreshing because I realize I only have one life, and its ok to be selfish and want something different. well i've rambled a lot. just want to say thank you to both of you. this brought so many emotions to the surface. you both are amazing. have an amazing week!

@evolvewithjoicy 2 года назад

I absolutely loved watching this.. I’ve always loved watching Ali!!❤️.. and Elizabeth,I love the way she speaks

@raymond-andrade 2 года назад

Ali's comment at 9:45 is so strong, and a perspective I feel a lot of people miss. You only have a limited hours in a day to make an impact doing something you love, in contrast you can leverage your impact by investing in other people/groups in that sector, should you have the ability to do so.

@drkatymorrison 2 года назад

I think an important question to consider is whether it is even possible to sustain long term love, passion, and interest for a career that does not support the lifestyle you want (family, kids, work life balance etc)

@Ruthi2310 2 года назад

This was a fascinating discussion! I really enjoyed this video.

@AlpacaStorm 2 года назад

Woah, they literally talk in 1.25x speed. I thought my phone was on the wrong setting

@AlexFiskervanVeen 2 года назад

This was really interesting to listen to. I am about to start medical school, and I personally could not see myself going into anything else. I have recently started a youtube channel and hopefully, if my channel grows, I won't be tied to any career for the money, which is my goal. Even if I had enough money, I would definitely stick with medicine.

@amiruwijesinghe 2 года назад

Nice discussion ! Ali and Elizabeth , so much to learn from it 🙂

@RedDevilStudio 2 года назад

One of the things that isnt talked about is whether it's the 'system' as opposed to medicine itself. You find a lot of UK doctors feel very differently working in the Australia or New Zealand. Also lets not be idealistic, demand in the NHS is sky high, hence the long waiting lists, breached hours etc, there is a lack of doctors and nurses globally and the demand is only going to get worse as the population gets older with more complex problems.

@astudentstudying6199 2 года назад

I feel like Elizabeth thinks very similarly to Ali in a way that lets them have this conversation and keep it up. I feel like I get a similar vibe between Ali and Taimur. It feels like when Ali is talking to Elizabeth, he doesn't actually have to simplify anything and just explains it freely and I feel that makes it more authentic and they can focus on the debate more than anything.

@JayFriedrichs 2 года назад

I preach about this all the time, that medicine isn’t really glamorous:/ as a nurse we get beaten down and over stressed a lot

@ahmedhaaqilrifky3531 2 года назад

this was a great discussion but i have a problem with this in that its too individualistic. if all doctors were to follow ali’s school of thought, quit medicine and just donate to the against malaria foundation, then we’re going to have a problem. i feel like like a little bit of collectivist opinion needs to come into this discussion.

@boozeberryjam 2 года назад

This is true, that if everyone quit medicine to give to the malaria foundation there would b a problem, but you can apply this same argument to every single career/job out there, if every truck driver went on strike tomorrow we'd have a problem, if every teacher quit wanting to be a teacher to give to the malaria foundation, we'd have a problem, this isn't limited to medicine. Also, as it currently stands, medicine is highly competitive to get into, not just at the stage of getting into medical school, but there is an oversupply of doctors trying to get into residency/training programs - Ali getting out doesn't put any dent in the system.

@samuelvilz 2 года назад

You guys, this video was so enjoyable to watch and listen to. Beautiful, to hear the basic appreciation you both show towards each other. That's what made this deeply human conversation possible. Thank you for sharing

@aamsergie 2 года назад

Working in a soup kitchen and working as a doctor are two different things as there is no limitations in working a soup kitchen. Anyone can do it. Taking the place of a physician who leaves in their first 1-5 years - the medical establishment has invested in your education and training. That investment isn't recouped. Think of a pilot. Same thing.

@sinejane 2 года назад

Ali’s comment that the way medicine saves lives is not dependent on the individual, it’s dependent on the system is spot-on. Speaking as a doctor, it would be completely false for me to say that my patient’s progress was 💯 thanks to me (not to mention, I’d be completely insufferable to the rest of the team); and conversely, if a patient doesn’t do well, I can sleep at night, knowing that it wasn’t 💯 on me, either; because either way, this saviour complex of “it’s got to be me who does this, if I don’t do it, who else will?” is a dangerous complex for a doctor to have, both for them & for their patients. Taking on a “false” additional burden of guilt doesn’t make me a morally-better or morally more conscious doctor; it means I know my limitations & mental boundaries, and that makes me 1) a safe doctor 2) a doctor who knows how to use just the right amount of mental & emotional resources to be able to treat the most number of patients at my best, and 3) a doctor who can stay saner longer. P/S - Medicine is the only job I’d make a commute for. Doing it for 12 years now, and I still love it.

@claire6352 2 года назад

Interesting discussion. I was in a similar position to you Elizabeth. I was at medical school but also wanted a family and kids and actually made the decision to leave medicine as I didn't want to sacrifice the work life balance needed. I don't regret it and still feel like I have achieved.

@rudra5908 2 года назад

In the nicest way possible so what do you do for living, what about expense, what about family?? Can you pls tell me coz I also feel like that coz it take a lot of years after school to became a good surgeon/doctor.

@SamAndrade 2 года назад

@@rudra5908 marry someone who works full time lol women have it easy

@melaniewilliams1351 2 года назад

@@SamAndrade No they don’t. Being a housewife is a boring, thankless job. You aren’t entitled to the money your husband makes, and you so completely fucked if you ever divorce

@federicopena8327 2 года назад

Excellent discussion! Greetings from Argentina!

@ana419 2 года назад

Thank you for this important and necessary conversation. Very enlightening.

@parvanator 2 года назад

Interesting debate. I think the area that is missed is that the motivation to do medicine vs other careers should be fundamentally different. When you decide to be a doctor, you do it in order that others may live better lives. Although one might argue that youtube has a similar side effect (in improving peoples' lives), it is often not the primary priority of a youtuber. You have to decide if you want to live to make money or live to change lives. It is not a selfish thing to want to save lives. But who can judge when money can buy holidays to Bali and jet-ski trips across the ocean.

@DrBrunoRecipes 2 года назад

Interesting 👌🏻 Greetings from Scotland 😊 Have a wonderful day everyone 🌻 Stay blessed ♥️

@hermie7872 2 года назад

I weirdly enjoy this mealtime Monday videos. First time I watched it, I felt really hungry watching it, so I watched it while having my lunch the second time 😂

@martyspandex 2 года назад

This was great! Maybe it doesn't fit the brand as well, but I thought this video was better than most of your videos on your main channel. That's not to say the videos on your main channel are not enjoyable and informative; it's that these types of discussions are even more valuable and informative.

@thatomokoena4434 2 года назад

The discussion about guilt was so strange. Ali boils being a doctor down to just 'saving lives' but surely ensuring that someone is relieved from pain/ail is beneficial, even if they would not have died without medical attention. and so to say that being a doctor only saves 7 lives per doctor is to miss a massive part of the profession. I think the ethics of it are not as simple as 'would they have died or not?'

@blackace72 2 года назад

I think the argument Ali is making makes sense: 1) I am making an impact (defined here as improving life quality and/or saving lives) that is equal to or greater than when I am being a doctor 2) My personal satisfaction is greatest when I am in a non-doctor position 3) Therefore it is overall better for everyone (myself and others) to not be a doctor, and shouldn’t feel guilty I think for Elizabeth, her greatest personal satisfaction comes from being a doctor, because her satisfaction comes from a more immediate and clear sign of impact on patients. Ali likes that kind of clear impact too, but with teaching

@pawelzabicki7785 2 года назад

I love how nonchalantly Ali is looking at the camera.

@CLIPDASH975 2 года назад

Love your podcast ali

@ilhamtalab5005 2 года назад

This was so painful to watch because as Ali said, it's all about the 'hero' we all wish to become :)

@haileeyarbrough1080 2 года назад

I almost feel like Elizabeth would love nursing because you get both the fun medical experience and the patient care. Also after nursing school you could do like one day a week. Obviously, I agree that everyone has their own path and both of you have HUGE impacts on so many lives and whatever you both do with your lives you will both make the world a better place.

@blardyhell3095 2 года назад

not true in the UK

@blardyhell3095 2 года назад

nurses work shite hours and get mistreated here too, same as doctors. only difference is they are not in charge of the patient and do not have the same resposibilities as the doctor, so the moral heaviness is removed.

@Therealmartinla 2 года назад

I feel like Elizabeth talking about patients being in the most vulnerable state; who need help at most. being able to help them physically is different. But I also strongly believe Ali’s point of changing thousands of lives is better than changing one. 🔥🔥🔥

@naheddki 2 года назад

Great discussion

@tabbywarrior 2 года назад

Hey Ali! How's the whole COVID situation in the UK? In America it's just highly politicized so almost nothing is getting done but I'd like to hear your point of view. Thanks!!!

@GXR304 2 года назад

Outstanding debate ♥️

@suhailmains 2 года назад

You can also make this as a podcast and upload to podcast platforms. This would help as this is mostly conversation 😉

@kenzahcarstairs5417 2 года назад

damn you literally productively copied Sheen

@mblogger1948 2 года назад

Hence "THE SIDE CHICK"

@themindsetshift1686 2 года назад

I am a Labor and Delivery nurse in the US. I absolutely love childbirth and empowering women. I genuinely enjoy learning the knowledge of the subject. It is a privilege and an honor to be present during birth. I absolutely hate hospital politics, working incredibly long days, especially when I haven't slept well, having too many patients at once being unable to give the time each deserves, charting, charting, charting to the point I can't focus on my patient, patients expecting that I am able to fix everything and take away any discomfort of labor or speed up the process. If someone gave me the choice to never step foot on a unit as a nurse again without having to worry about financial security, I would take the opportunity in a heartbeat. This makes me feel both guilty and sad.

@sarahk.6115 2 года назад

I disagree with Ali. No-one has measured the impact that you personally are having as a UK doctor. Whether your smile or words of motivation have changed someone's life. Have confidence in your own unique ability to help someone. You could have helped someone in a powerful position who will help many more rather than just 'life XYZ' in 'country XYZ'. Hence charity begins at home. I would imagine that psychiatrists save many more suicidal lives than RU-vid influencers but again you won't receive the instagram messages which are actually quite subjective anyway. Every famous person seems to have fans whose lives they've saved just by existing.

@sarahk.6115 2 года назад

@The Medical Enthusiast Let's just hope he doesn't influence too many people to be like him, and instead just influences them to do better academically. Because believe me, if all the doctors in the UK decided to become RU-vid influencers instead of being doctors, then good luck to the UK death rate. People working as doctors do save lives and make an amazing impact on people's lives.

@sarahk.6115 2 года назад

@The Medical Enthusiast Thank you for your reply :) Ali does do a lot of good and I wouldn't want to see him leave RU-vid. I disagree with his premise of saving lives. Imagine my brother or neighbour was dying and needed £100 to save their life, but I said, "no I will get better value by donating to a charity in Mali where 10 lives will be saved instead". My ethics say that we can't choose not to save the life in front of us for a statistical life that is far away. We are responsible for where we live and what we do. It's fine for Ali to do what he does as he is working to his capabilities, but I don't think he should encourage others to leave medicine because they can save more lives by donating money to poor countries instead. I know that isn't exactly his aim, but constantly talking about UK doctors only saving 7 lives does feel disrespectful. The pandemic lockdown causing excess non-Covid deaths is proof enough of the great work the NHS does in saving lives. Anyway thanks for discussing :)

@sarahk.6115 2 года назад

@The Medical Enthusiast I would say living life isn’t just about saving lives. It is about thriving not just surviving and saving the most lives. If I said I will donate 1 million to charity and save 1000 lives if you end your life, would you do it? Of course not. But why not? Or even if I said that you should live in a hut in a poor village for the rest of your life, but those lives would be saved, you probably still wouldn’t. We put intrinsic value on ourselves and also those around us. Human lives can’t just be bartered!! I genuinely believe in “Charity begins at home”. Not saying that it needs to stay at home. But I am responsible to help those around me before helping those far away at the cost of those close to me if I had to choose. The world works better with each man looking after their family and close ones first. My community has helped make me successful so I want to give back to that community so that more people can be made successful and help others. I can have more impact on those close to me who I can see and be involved with. When it comes to saving lives, I couldn’t value a life in front of me less based on reports of more lives far away that can be saved. Hence if my neighbour needs me, I expect to help them even if it is less cost-effective than what can be done far away. I live how I would want to be treated. I don’t want myself and my family to be overlooked just because there is always someone poorer in the world for whom the help is more cost-effective in saving lives. I think this whole discussion started because Ali made the point to Elizabeth that she doesn’t need to feel bad about quitting because she can save lives in this way instead. I genuinely fully support Ali and Elizabeth to do what feels right for them. I think Ali was probably emphasising the point for argument’s sake to Elizabeth that she can save more lives by donating money, rather than actually wanting people to stop working as doctors and donate money instead. But it is interesting ethical point :)

@SamAndrade 2 года назад

Then how are they sure this digital entrepreneurship is gonna last forever and provide for them well (especially in Elizabeth’s case who is less established) …would they go back to medicine in that case if that even is possible??

@sarahk.6115 2 года назад

Let's just hope he doesn't influence too many people to be like him, and instead just influences them to do better academically. Because believe me, if all the doctors in the UK decided to become RU-vid influencers instead of being doctors, then good luck to the UK death rate. People working as doctors do save lives and make an amazing impact on people's lives.

@boozeberryjam 2 года назад

If all it takes is an influencer to talk somebody out of medicine or many people, then maybe they shouldn't have tried for medicine in the first place...

@Magnate1992 2 года назад

ali is so smart and a great listener.

@mridulbhattarai7051 2 года назад

Hmm. I understand that lifestyle and et cetera are huge criteria for choosing the lifestyle you want, but at the same time, there could be a benefit in risking giving medicine a chance. No matter what Ali says about any kid with good grades will likely go into medicine, people do not just go to a path they know they will not like. Obviously, as a teenager, this decision isn't accurate but I think even at the age you choose this type of thing you have a general idea of what you want your life to look like. If you are doing medicine and have doubt whatsoever, obviously you likely shouldn't do it, but in this conversation (which was excellent and very engaging by the way great vid) there were certain points that were like a double-edged sword. I think, with a biased opinion, that it is important to give med a chance. It was mentioned by one of you (sorry can't remember) that only a few people show gratitude for your service as a doctor compared to as a RU-vidr. Well, sure that may be true, but at the same time in RU-vid, there is a lot more potential for having a large impact compared to medicine which is likely why more people reach out (if you think about it in terms of ratio), but despite that, you as a doctor are able to impact lives in such a manner that no other profession can offer -- which is also two-sided and depends entirely on preference. Even within medicine, there is private practice, academia, public service and many more and if you really wanted to you could definitely figure out a path that best suits you, they may have some side-effects but that is pretty much with everything else in life so it is about balancing it. Poeple like Antionio J Webb, Dr Mike, and etc have shown that doing both RU-vid and med successfully is possible (especially for you both who already have a large following). Hmm, I don't know something to think about. I loved the video, great in-depth chat...

@purvimehta30 2 года назад

Add this to spotify to listen audio. 🎧

@PapaSierraGolf 2 года назад

Ali productively finishing lunch while conducting an interview and recording a video at the same time 😉

@PROTON838 2 года назад

underrated video

@flowerrrr17 2 года назад

And then you see that GP is actually a great specialism ;-) great to combine with all kind of hobbies and do also surgical procedures

@linedjeo9596 2 года назад

I don't usually comment on videos but I have to share this: (for Elizabeth ☺️) often people change their goals because they have already assumed that success requires way too much hardwork. It's even tougher for women dreaming of having a high stake career in the medical field. They start worrying about family and the time-off they will need to take to look after their newborns. Then doubts appear from all angles and settle in the mind. It's a shame to give up a surgical career just because of fear and doubts. I can assure that there are thousands way to reach success in your chosen field while having a balance lifestyle with a family. You only know the most common method, but you haven't explored all the other avenues. It's easier to follow the mass than be unique. You have no idea where you creativity can take you. P.S. being inspired by others is excellent, being influenced by others will deviate you away from your true potential. Hope you see what I mean ☺️

@linedjeo9596 2 года назад

Thank you for highlighting my comment x

@tonyhtran 2 года назад

Ali mate. Can you link to those podcasts too? So much insight from these videos.

@jadenlian9010 2 года назад

Amazing video! But I feel like Elizabeth's voice is a quiet or less clear, if the volume can be upped more it would be great!

@ayanoaiko7006 2 года назад

The weird conundrum is that not all physicians can think like Ali because we need physicians to do the work he would donate too.

@nizarwafaei616 2 года назад

Ali finds the more enjoyment in his other endeavours, and he has a great impact in them, so he would be right to leave, from both a utilitarian and a selfish perspective. It's clear that Elizabeth has a greater passion for medicine at the time of this recording, so she would lose some of her sense of purpose if she left. For her, it may be right to do a bit of both, since she currently gets fulfilment from both.

@CreavtiveCookie 2 года назад

I'm going through exactly what she is going through. Every word of it. The anxiety is slowly eating me up. I'd really appreciate advice.

@angusgroom1177 2 года назад

I often feel that Ali’s videos are a bit preaching to the converted, and this way of having a conversation is so interesting as content.

@callum4387 2 года назад

The problem with Ali’s argument is that if you say doctors impact is less because someone else will take your place is flawed because the logical extension is that no job or life has meaning because if you weren’t born, someone else would take you place. You compare donating money to work as a doctor. You donating the money are not saving the life, it is the people distributing the drugs or developing them. Furthermore, there is value in intention, in my mind someone saving a life is always worth more than donating money.

@damianxavier7343 2 года назад

And how are the people distributing or developing the drugs able to do it? It's because of the donation. He is thereby explicitly saving the life. so i think what it really is would you rather save more lives explicitly or save less lives implicitly. I mean it's not that simple, but in this context more or less that's the question.

@mahirkarim6884 2 года назад

Hi, Bro love your content so keep it up and can you make a playlist on how to survive medical school Thanks 😊

@kaizenTechVideos 2 года назад

I thought this was a re-upload because of the old thumbnail

@robogirl1397 2 года назад

Ali, what are your thoughts on working at the intersection of Computer Science and Medicine? Neural Networks to predict disease, surgical robotics, advanced prosthetics, the study of neuroscience to better model AI systems, etc. I ask this because as a grad student, I never felt compelled to strictly continue in the same major as my undergraduate degree but considered specializations that would help me diversify what I could be doing with my background.

@mitrapoetry4163 2 года назад

can you maybe update what path you decided on/ what youre doing now?

@ndndndnnduwjqams 2 года назад

Glad I found this appendix, I'm really getting into Effective Altruism. What books would recommend apart from the life you can save? Greetings from Argentina, hope you keep having that selfless logic.

@GavinBishop072 2 года назад

Doing good better (William MacAskill) would be where I’d start. Despues de eso, The most good you can do (Peter Singer) y talvez The Precipice (T Ord) tambien. Saludos desde nueva zelandia!

@Sudi_34 2 года назад

Apart from every thing, Just wanted to say" SHE'S BEAUTIFUL" 🤯

@syedkazemi4453 2 года назад

Hey Ali can u please help me with study in London for my undergrad??? Lemme know please...

@Magnate1992 2 года назад

i agree with what you said about surgery. I wanted it so bad but just couldnt accept the lifestyle/ sacrifices.

@memesking1542 2 года назад

Please do more videos with Elizabeth.

@SOMAA_11 2 года назад

Ya taking break is good idea to come with better preparation

@TM-vg4mx 2 года назад

nhs needs great drs who love their jobs and excel at it.

@krishnavaviya6286 2 года назад

I want to learn uk English from where i can?

@adventuretime4123 2 года назад

Wow Ali what, this beard is trimmed perfectly

@jeremiahthomas7594 2 года назад

beard looking lit ali

@blackscreen-gv2qs 2 года назад

She is so cute though i realy enjoy watching a vid with her all love and respect for you both🖤

@adamraza7536 2 года назад

Wow. The controversy made it intriguing yet uncomfortable to watch. Lol

@StardollChannelZ 2 года назад

So you basically turned sheen’s woke wednesdays into mealtime mondays 🤣

@Mayziemail 2 года назад

How can you not feel guilt about all the training you have received from a system that is desperately understaffed which you are now not using. Training which could have gone to someone else who wanted that med student place but missed out?

@Ali-ew9gv 2 года назад

This is part of the system and out of the control of anyone. There are examples in your own life where you've caused someone to miss out on something which they've wanted.

@shabananaeem1917 2 года назад

🍀 wonderful 👍👍. Still there is no cure for procrastination ..and boredom. 🤒🤒🤒

@JohnBrown-nm3pd 2 года назад

Please don't eat and have a discussion I actually want to hear at the same time. This is brutal to get through

@naheemhussainuk 2 года назад

I would like to describe health and 9 other things but if your not healthy the other 9 things dont matter If you have number starting with 1 and 9 zero, if you dont have that 1 everything will come down crumbling

@Therealmartinla 2 года назад

Quality impact over quantity