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I love this movie. Being a black man who loves history that was how black people were animated. Its clear ralph was a liberal and not racist but even the most non racist people in animation still animated us like that, theres a whole cartoon that consulted us on our race and was uplifting but also had that imagery. One of those you gotta look at the message and the subtext. I'll always get high and revist this movie its amazing
One likely reason is Bakshi grew up in this poor neighborhood in Brooklyn that had every minority you could think of. Black, Hispanic, Jewish, you name it. While it wasn’t a fantastic place he felt it was a safe place for people to be people and not worry about bigotry or racism they felt outside of their.
The whole cast are stereotypes. There isn't one person in it who isn't. I myself fit into a few categories represented, and while seeing it was uncomfortable, it made me think, "This is not only how I and presumably many folks often see themselves, but how society sees us."
I think whether or not this movie is interpreted as racist really comes down to the individual and their experiences. For instance, older African Americans in my experience find this imagery to be offensive. This is probably due to the fact that they've personally been demeaned with the same stereotypes, language, and imagery you will find in this movie. On top of that, the older generation had to fight to be treated with respect, so they may feel this animation undoes all of that hard work. Younger generations typically don't experience the same overt and aggressive racism that was so accepted in the past. They just don't have the same relationship with the type of stuff shown in this movie, so they tend to be more analytical about it. This is just my experience as a black millennial, sorry if I oversimplified things.
As a black women, I love this movie so much. It so deep in its symbolism. Especially when you’re educated on how colonialism and racism has effect black Americans. This cartoon was a big step for black animation, this one of the reason why we have shows like black dynamite and boondocks. Both cartoon shows that shine on issues that other media doesn’t talk about. This was genuinely a story with black characters. I think that’s what helped with the main characters being animals. If you was to see black art like afrorealism, we also depict ourselves with big lips and dark-blacken skin. Because racism taught us to hate those afro features so it’s a way to embrace it. This being just cartoon told a real life like events.
Black Dynamiter is awesome, Michael Jai White is such a badass and I wish he was in more stuff. By the way, have you seen the trailer for The Outlaw Johnny Black?
As a Gen X black animator broad, I adopt Bakshi into our demographic. Which Bakshi flick got you addicted to his flicks? (I already liked The Mighty Heroes.) I thought Heavy Traffic was a lot better than Fritz the Cat. American Pop is the best. Bakshi's original title for "Coonskin" was Harlem Nights. Al Ruddy's crew somehow got it perverted to "Coonskin" and Bakshi *CANNOT STAND* that title. Had it been called Harlem Nights Al Sh*rpton might not have gone after it, since the only.difference between it and any other blaxploitation flick is that it is partially animated. Blaxploitation fans *drool* for this flick (and Heavy Traffic). Xenon is its current distributor.
I think the way the message comes through is similar to what South Park often does (except even more outlandish). Cartman is one of the main characters and is portrayed in all his glory, and even though he's one of the "protagonists," we're not meant to agree with his perspective at all. Just because shitty things are being shown doesn't mean that we're meant to support those things - though like you mentioned, a shitty person will watch Cartman make fun of Jews and then will go out and make fun of Jews himself. But that's just because that shitty person was too dumb to see the sarcasm/irony, so I wouldn't lay the blame on the writers for that. I think some of the *smartest* movies/shows will sometimes have that effect on people, but it's purely because those viewers are too dumb to get it.
I just watched this beautiful yet somber animated film called "Night on the Galactic Railroad" and I REALLY recommend you watch and review it. It would definitely fit your bill.
I don't understand how u could misunderstand this movie I first watched it at 14 and I got it everything from the metaphors in the imagery to the message as whole saying Ralph was misguided is just flat out arrogant this movie is a reflection of the time with out any editing to soften the blow
Ralph bakshi is a very bizarre man who has the biggest balls in animation and I believe this movie is just a complicated mess of very ahead of time things and oh so far back much like Ralph a mix of Genius and insanity
I watched this movie years ago and it's definitely an insane ride (as is the case with most of Bakshi's work). It's one of those movies that you want to recommend as a fascinating time-capsule for animation and film, but always have to add that vital context first, because can you imagine showing somebody stills of this while saying "no, listen, there's some really interesting commentary in here. It's supposed to be satirical, I swear!" It's got such an interesting history and legacy though, and it just keeps getting more bizarre the further you look (I already knew that Spike Lee loves this movie, but was today years old when I learned that apparently Wu-Tang Clan wanted to help with a sequel back in the mid 2000s?! What?!)
What is so confusing? It's a very simple concept. Movie: *Depicts a simple-minded depiction* Simple-minded Bigot: "Is... is that how I sound?" Movie: Yeah. Cut it out. Simple-minded Bigot goes on to adjust their perception of people as something more complex than a simple-minded caricature. (Of course, other bigots with increasingly simpler minds will be too narrow to understand the message. But the movie is not for them. It's for smarter, borderline bigots who just need to be embarrassed out of bigotry). It's over the top and stupid. But a bigot's beliefs are over the top and stupid. This movie is the essence of one kid mocking another kid at the playground by mimicking everything he says.
Ralphs back hand to songs of the south i think its a movie you need to have an open mind for a strong stomach and a wide lense and how he got a lot of the vocal parts of this movie was in fact genius, he went to bars in Harlem pulled the hunter s Thompson and Just placed a microphone in his pocket and recorded the conversations people were having, another weird thing about this is it inspired the ending of Snatch a Guy Ritchie and that movie made 30.3 million, so even thieves and plagerists were given praise for stealing the ending of this flick, it is hard to watch but i think it earns its place in history, Bakshi is and will always be the man that made anti Disney animation cared about poor people and artists and the world will never really see any one like him ever again once he is gone. would love to see just one more Flick produced by him before he dies..
I know I'm late to the party and someone else may have pointed it out, but Bakshi is Jewish, or at least he was born to Jewish parents. I don't know if he still practices or not.
I feel like the execution of the movie could have been so much better in regards to what the director wanted. The way he went about it just seemed really naive and not well thought out.
The naacp should change their name since they themselves say its "people of color." Kinda ironic isnt it. Also fam this was a movie from the 1970s. Watch cool town, you can find the stereotypes and that was from the 90s.
I really dislike the fucking "Oh, it's not intended to be offensive towards X group of people, because it's meant to offensive towards ALL groups of people, thus nullifying all negative connotations towards any group." That's just not how it works. I can't make a joke about gay people being degenerates (well, I'm gay so legally I am allowed to but that's not the point), but then say "lol straights be dumb" and suddenly take away what I said about gay people. There is also that power imbalance with what's offensive to certain groups of people. Like how the N-word and the C-word (I'm not sure if I can say saltine anymore...) aren't equal. But if someone suggested that so long as you say both then neither is offensive is just silly. The Centrist take of what gets to be offensive is so dumb at times.
I think that they were going for like if one person sees this movie and it changes their mind about racism then they did their job. That’s just the feeling I get I could be wrong
This day & age? It was controversial back then, and was always controversial. The imagery was inspired by stereotypes that were controversial decades before the movie was even made. If you use racist imagery, in a racially insensitive movie, even to make an anti racist statement it’s going to come with controversy. That’s the point of a satire, don’t be stupid.
For anyone confused: YES, this movie was AGAINST racism. But even at the time, racist people liked it because it seemed pro racism, despite the director desperately trying to send the opposite message.
unfortunately that's just a risk that comes with making satire. there's always that one portion of the audience that's going to miss the fact that it's satirical and think it's playing everything completely straight
@@TheGuindoYeah like the dumbass who is reviewing for this movie here. Hints why his dumbass keep on calling it racist when it's not. Talking about it was "hard" to get through and shit. Yeah, maybe for your dumbass while supporting that shitty ass racist so-call " black mermaid film" called by same name, The Little Mermaid 2023. Hints why the black chick has the same name as the White Red Haired chick but looking like roots / color purple. But this clown here wanna talk about "racism" and shit. Can be more racist then that. Couldn't even make a original story about a black mermaid, hell no. Nah, let's take the white chick with red hair and put her in black face and say look: here's your "black mermaid". Now watch her chase a white man and call him her boo. Again, you can't make this dumbass shit up and wonder why us blacks don't take y'all dumbasses seriously Stop trusting the foxes, they are no different then the wolves. It's one is blue and the other is red but they both talk the same language. Do everything for everybody else, exempt for black people. Hints why we are where we are even today post past the 70s, 60s, 50s, 40s, 30s, 20s, and on down. Now say something about that, to the bitch who is making this video here. Speak on that. Wouldn't know racism if it came up and slap you in the face.
The basic premise of the movie is to be as outlandish as possible to show others how wrong it is, Btw I'm black and i love the fact that black animators were hired, As an animator myself i love the art style.
Again, such is as to why I respect artists of the 70s and 80s. They didn’t care because they didn’t have to as much as “”artists”” do nowadays to appeal to something as useless as ESG scores, or at least those who think they’re “artists” that can think they can somehow hold a candle to the masterwork of Ralph himself.
I love the creative mind Ralph has though, maybe it wasn’t appropriate to be watching as a kid but the contrast between the over the top colorful characters and the deep brutal looking dramatic backgrounds reminded me of Zdzislaw Beksinski’s nightmare paintings in a way
I completely understand why this movie is the way it is. Its to show you how fucked up and bad stereotypes are by simply putting them on display. Think of it this way, what gets people to understand how negative an experience is? Having someone preach it to you in a safe way? No, people find that annoying. What Bakshi did is cut out the middle man. "You wanna know how bad stereotypes can get? Well here you go." If this movie makes you uncomfortable, and makes you hate what is depicted.. *That is the point*
I think it was foolish for the director to be surprised when no one looked past the surface of his movie. Only seeing the surface is why racism exists at all.
One thing that this movie made me understand is how, even in politics there is racism and bigotry on both sides of the spectrum. Like you said, only seeing the surface is why racism exists in the first place, you gotta go more in-depth if you wanna understand how every single extremist, regardless of political side, are all racists and bigots in their own special ways, making stereotypes and caricatures of many marginalized folks and the LGBTQIA+ community. They just do not see it as such and instead promote and glorify these surface level aspects as progressive or regressive.
Recently an Italian youtuber named 151eg found the uncensored, original version of the movie that was project at the MOMA museum in 1974 but dubbed in Italian. It is the only version of the original movie
I think the movie was supposed to be for the casual/covert racist. There are plenty of people who know those views are wrong, but still hold them anyways. The film is supposed to make them uncomfortable because at the end of the day, they do know better, and they know that.
just ask a black person homie... like the messages are solid if you can get past the imagery. this is a depiction of a terrible time fresh in Bakshi mind in 74. lots of black people worked on this Scatman Crothers was not hurting for work it was something he wanted to be a part of.
I honestly loved this movie and though Ralph doesn't have a stellar track record he has always been completely invigorated by animation and it shines through in what he has helped create
he was the main influence of the 90s boom in adult animation...like almost all creators of the most sucessful shows in the decade work for him on previous works
As a black man, (who hasn't seen the movie) I wouldn't be surprised if the goal of the movie was too show whites who either are not racist or just don't think race is a major issue, just how Trulia perverted the perception of minority groups are. I spoken to a lot of my white friends who seem to think that racism is an issue of the past. And that racist jokes are nothing more than jokes. This movie field zebra tri-otic but probably because it wants people to know how uncomfortable and messed up the perception of minority groups are. Im guessing
Racism has always been so cringe to me that i usually never dove too deep into it or explored animations such as this. As a 23 year old black man I definitely want to see this.
Plus that being the 70s alot of these sterotypes werent sterotypes thats how it actually was. Alot modern black sterotypes originated from the 70s like the woman saying why her man left her. This really is a snapshot of black history and in many ways still relevant especially the preacher segments
no proof ur black and if u are... thats sad. stop saying "as a black man" because its sad that u think this is acceptable in anyway. people like u are the reason blacks are divided. ur r desensitized. u may say words dont hurt u but when kids grow up watching this they believe it.
one point you made is that racists who watch the movie wouldnt see the anti-racist message and only caricatures to poke fun at, but thats part of the reasons Bakshi decided to make fun of all races. A white supremacist who watches this might have a stereotypical view of black people to laugh at but when white people are portrayed it gets flipped and their showed a mirror of their own hypocrisy. the conclusion they should come to is "if these stereotypes dont define me then they dont define black people either." its meant to provide a moment of introspection.
I think maybe the reason BionicPIG is so shocked is because he’s had a different life experience than the people defending it, which is understandable. I remember seeing this with a friend in the 80’s. Neither one of us is remotely racist and we didn’t find the movie to be racist either. Not because we agreed with any stereotypes, but because we got the message behind the sarcasm. We saw the movie for what it was. They did hit on a lot of cultural stereotypes that the audience of that time had grown up with. The imagery wasn’t unfamiliar and it may have been easier to see the sarcasm for what it was. An important question to ask (not just with this movie) is, "are they celebrating racism, or are they exposing it?" What better way to expose stereotypes than to show them. Why have characters describe the stereotypes when you can just show them for what they are. The tricky thing about something like this however, is that these are things that should upset people. You should be upset when you see these things. If the audience is in on the "joke" or picks up on it while watching it, they aren’t as likely to consider it as promoting racism. For those who don’t pick up on the sarcastic narrative, they will see it as promoting racism. Where it gets tricky is that they’re not wrong (the stereotypes ARE racist) they’re just misdirecting their anger at the storytellers instead of the fact that these stereotypes exist in the first place - which is what the storytellers are trying to expose. Also, I don’t think you’d find actors like the late great Scatman Crothers doing a movie that celebrated or even condoned racism. I think he was trying to bring light to the subject. Or maybe to put it in terms more relatable today, he was trying to bring awareness to it.
Personally, as a black person, I love this movie. Since it was made in a satire way but also shows the way that we were portrayed in animation and in reality. I see Ralph Bakshi as an absolute GENIUS when it comes to animation. along with the fact that it takes an old folktale ( Song From The South ) and makes it in a way that feels like almost a social commentary.
I think the person who made this movie was incredibly deep minded and he wanted to show how bad the stereotypes of different minorities of people are judged by the White community and a nutshell
Funny, I just saw this about 2 weeks ago myself. Damn good (but fuzzy since original cut on VHS). I'm a black 18yr old, I personally found It to be profound. It plays off the stereotype by showing we're more than jumpin' and jivin' "negros", we have matters to attend to, lives. It's portraying the gritty city life of 70s Americana In one of the best ways of the time, showing the detriments of everyone across the board. I see where others can be offended, but they're looking at surface level without first seeing the true meaning. (even If offensive). Great review like always, and no shame In enjoying It. It was made for everyone
Bakshi is the godfather of adult animation and was most certainly a man of his time. I highly doubt his movies would be greenlighted today, even with the anti-racisim message. That being said he played an important part in animation history If you want to dive into Bakshi's filmography, but avoid the... controversial hardcore animation, I would recommend Wizards, Fire and Ice, Lord of the Rings, Cool Word and American Pop. All interesting in their own respective rights with that classic style Bakshi could replicate. My most favorite is Fire and Ice with the use of rotoscoping
I have never seen this, but I trust Mr. Bakshi. I'm happy to learn about another piece of art he's made. My first exposure to The Lord of the Rings trilogy was with his adaptations. I have a lot of respect for him. He's not racist. His art always has a purpose, something important to say while entertaining us. If you love LotR, please watch his. They're real fun.
The adage that you can get away with more using animation than with live media, Bashki pushed that idea as far as possible in a time where cinema was willing to push further also.
Personally I think Backshe wanted to do the same as a parent back in ye olden times when they catch their kid smoking. "Oh ya like smoking do ya?! Well why don'tcha have a whole CARTON of cigarettes?!"
Bionic Pig upload on my birthday? HELL YEAH I'm familiar with Bakshi's work, but I had never gotten around to seeing this movie yet. It... has some interesting takes, for sure, but I don't think Bakshi was TRULY trying to harm anyone when making this. Just another product of time that may or may not have aged well, depending on how you look at it. Like you said, he just was a bit naive.
I love when people say the images from this film, make them “very uncomfortable“, it doesn’t for me. I am an adult, I understand the context, I also don’t live my life waiting for the next thing to “trigger“ me….Some people need to climb out of their cocoon, and look at the real world. My opinion anyway.
Lol @ racist jokes/stereotypes making you "queezy" lmfao...and yes, I find it funny/important and I'm Jewish. It has the same feel as American history X, Something people should see. And for the people who won't/can't look past the surface to see the point,the movie isn't for them. Who cares what they think
I studied Bakshi's work in a comics class. I kinda get his philosophy but he always struck me as someone who has was convinced he knew best and didn’t listen to people who tried to educate him. It's s like a weird white savior complex where he thinks he's doing good, but he's too full of himself to take criticism or re-analyze his approach. His work also depicts a lot of violence against women and hypersexualizes them to the point of objectification. There was a specific group of feminist underground comic publishers in the 70's/80's who really hated bakshi bc they felt his work glorified abuse of women on top of the racist stuff
You’re entitled to your opinion. And I’m entitled to mine; you’re out of your depth tbh. Animation depicting minorities was generally either on par or a lot worse than Bakshi at that time. R Crumb had an uncomfortable character that was supposed to be all about that. This feels like a video that is just randomly calling out an old movie with almost no context. I’ll take the endorsement of the NAACP at the time vs the modern opinion of a RU-vidr.
As a black woman, I don’t love this movie. Like at all. I hate racist caricatures even if they’re being used to make more of an impact when bringing awareness to something honestly it would’ve been more impactful if they took the whole comedic aspect out of the movie because nothing about the message should be considered funny and it’s honestly just weird I also think it should’ve been a completely live action movie
I appreciate his ballsy no apologies approach, but it’s also “geez dude, did you have to go so hard, like THAT?” It’s definitely a lot. He definitely wants to stir the pot then walk away and be entertained watching everyone else fight over the stirring and what’s in the pot. As the other commenter said, kind of a mad genius.
Ralph Bakshi is indeed one of the most insane animators ever existed on planet Earth, and I love his work. Good Lord there’s so many racial imagery in this animated movie. You just can’t get away from stuff like this.
I kinda thought you were just gonna relentlessly bash this one and reject anything said by Bakshi. Glad to see you had some real nuance to your commentary here. Certainly an interesting subject, and one I can somewhat understand both sides of.
Can you please watch birdboy the forgotten children, or Psiconautas in Spanish?. It's my favorite Spanish animated movie and knowing the types of videos you make, I think it would a be very interesting watch
I honestly think movies like this are for people like yourself. I'm not bothered by said movie, because this man obviously had alot to comment on. It's satire but all of it, in the realm of comedy, ultimately stems from reality. I am strong believer that art should make people uncomfortable. There is a difference between straight up insulting and demeaning someone, and making commentary making fun of the people who ACTUALLY believe humans act that way. When it's in the style of a cartoon it's just that much more obvious to me, and it's not because I'm black, I just understand what's going on. I DO see the good in media like that. If it did not exist, we might never bother to have the conversation. I think its fascinating how its relevancy keeps popping up over the years. Even my parents thought it was funny. But if I show them a an skit of a youtuber doing blackface,they'd definitely go wtf. As would I. Because we know it was done for a cash grab. I feel like it was a good thing, giving black animatiors a chance to show their skills. I hope to become an animatior/ illustrator, but you can definitely guarantee nobody will look at my tame content all that often. That's just common sense as an artist. If you wanna get someone's attention, even if you're bringing up politics or race, nobody will listen if you don't have something attention grabbing. Taking risks is something I aspire to do more often, which is why I support things like this. Independent creators pump LIFE into the industry.
i have not seen this movie but will check it out- i am a white jew, and i think basing his portrayal of jews off of nazi propaganda is brilliant. it's offensive, sure, but that doesn't make it wrong. i think it's useful commentary! and while movies are made as capitalist ventures to be consumed, i don't know that this movie should have been targeting a specific audience whether black or white. more so i get the feeling it was made as commentary and was meant to be part of a cultural discussion. it doesn't really work as a commercial product but i think it certainly does as a piece of racial literature.
Everyone’s an idiot in the situation. He meant well but presented it in an provoking way. And the people were not willing to hear him out and give him a chance
You can't determine the significance of the character design without also considering the other elements of the movie, like setting, plot and themes. The visual stereotypes are shocking to us because they've historically been used to perpetuate hate. But the caricature and the hate associated with it are not the same thing. I think maybe Bakshi was trying to use these historically racist tropes in a way that subverted their racist connotations. I think he wanted to create characters that would have dignity and humanity EVEN THOUGH they were drawn in a seemingly racist way.
i'm black and I don't understand why everyone was upset. it's a damn good movie. ppl just need to lighten up and learn to dig. face value has no value.
This is one of those movies you definitely have to view with a different lens and an wide open state of mind. I actually like it. I grew up in The NYC Crack/Reagan era so i seen all kinds of wild crazy stuff in real life. This is just unique entertainment to me.
I gotta offer some constructive criticism here-I really have to challenge you when you say you “don’t think Bakshi is a racist”. He clearly is. He might be a “benevolent” racist but he’s still clearly a racist. I think you’ve fallen into the same trap he did. Too many people seem to think you have to intend harm and/or actively hate POC to be racist-that’s just not the case. You can mean well, want to have a good message and be a good person, etc, and still have internalized racism that keeps you from accomplishing something positive, not to mention still contribute to and uphold the system of racism and the harm it causes. All it takes to contribute to racism and perpetuate it is ignorance of racism and/or how you’re complicit. It’s important to remember that with systems of oppression and complicity, EFFECT is more important than INTENT. And at the end of the day, regardless of Bakshi’s motives, he produced something that hurt a lot of people and spread/perpetuated some really harmful narratives, and he then ignored the feedback he received and basically said “I know better than all these Black people asking me to reconsider my perspective”. All those Black people said he was racist, clearly there was something he did wrong there. They weren’t all just being too sensitive, and I don’t think everyone was just looking at it at surface level-if anything, many of them were looking past the surface message of “look how bad racism is” and instead actually viewing the film in context of the power dynamics involved in its production and the effects it had in reality. He also sought to financially profit off the oppression of marginalized people while playing the savior and appointing himself to speak for all these marginalized people. (Before you say “but he hired Black animators!” how much did he pay them? How much did he and other nonBlack folks in charge make? Is involving a handful of people from a marginalized group in making a piece of media about them really enough? Or is it an embarrassingly low bar?) And clearly thrives off the negative attention to be gained from using upsetting imagery, which is not a great look if you’re not part of the group being negatively depicted. Can you really decide what’s the appropriate use of racist imagery if you’re not part of the affected race? At what point are you just putting hurtful things into the world because attention is more important to you than anything else? I doubt any Black person came to him and asked him to make this film-he appointed himself to speak for and about Black people, then ignored their feedback and got upset at their criticisms when they didn’t thank him and give him back pats for being “so progressive” by acknowledging systemic racism exists. He made this thinking people would think he was so enlightened for stating the obvious, then got upset when he didn’t get the acclaim he felt entitled to from it. The intended audience is people like him-white and/or white-adjacent liberals (liberal meaning centrist/not actually leftist). I’m reminded of that quote about how the defining characteristic of many liberals is that they think that they’re doing enough by simply witnessing and acknowledging suffering caused by systems of oppression. They still center themselves/their feelings/their experiences, and their comfort at the end of the day above all else, and don’t meaningfully challenge those systems. They often don’t even acknowledge those systems and instead view bigotry as an interpersonal problem. Think about it-he clearly didn’t make the movie in a way that would actually change anyone’s mind. If you’re a racist, all you’re going to see in this film is media that agrees with your worst assumptions of these marginalized groups. And Black people and other depicted groups clearly don’t need to be informed of their own suffering, and most are certainly familiar with this imagery. You say it “really makes you think” but does it? I see an unskillful, self-centering, and immature piece of media which uses shocking imagery in a way that almost certainly undermines any message it could have precisely because it intentionally seeks to upset folks, whether that be by shocking them or feeding into their other negative emotions. Shocking media without proper context and nuance does the opposite of making people think most of the time-even you spent the majority of this video being clearly uncomfortable with it instead of engaging with it more meaningfully. Sure, there’s something to be said for saying “I recognize racism etc exists and it’s bad” and call out depictions of racism in our culture-clearly that’s why some marginalized people find things to like about it-but that’s all this film says, at best, and that’s pretty weak in my opinion. It’s mostly about him performing his acknowledgment and knowledge of racism/bigotry, and about people similar to him doing the same when they go to see it. You can tell where his head is because the film is racist towards many groups, it’s misogynistic, it’s classist, it’s homophobic and transphobic, and he thinks he somehow erases those harms by “equally” harming everyone-that shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how systems of oppression function in reality. He also held no space for criticisms and was dismissive and even condescending when challenged, focusing more on ~his feelings~ than feedback he received. This movie was for and about him and his self expression more than anything else, regardless of whatever lofty goals he claimed. And it’s a clumsy and arguably not very thoughtful handling of the subject matter. I love your channel but you REALLY missed the mark on this and failed at an opportunity to have a much more nuanced discussion about the dynamics around this film. You stopped at how horrified you are by it, and you gotta keep going-and please stop repeating the myth that intent of harm is required for something to count as racism or harmful. I know you didn’t mean to say that, but the whole “I don’t think he’s racist” convo really boils down to that concept-And that idea in and of itself contributes to systems of oppression. If all it took to liberate folks was good intent, we’d live in a very different reality. I’d love to see you consult and collaborate with impacted people if you’re gonna tackle subject matter like this so you don’t end up perpetuating the problem again. We don’t need to see a performance of your acknowledgment of suffering/discomfort with racism. I know you’re capable of something deeper and more thoughtful.
I think is part of the shock factor, like making something sooooo controversial it draws attention, it makes ppl want to watch it just to see how bad it is, cause if something is that divisive and blatantly offensive for some ppl, a lot of ppl is going to watch it just for shts n giggles and the message will spread further than if you just made a regular film, its a punk kind of mindset be offensive, be loud, make your voice heard n spread the message
Yes, this movie is an anti race movie and as weird as that may seem, its true! The Briar Brothers win in the end and even though Reverened Sharpten blasted the film, it does deliver on its message calling out anyone-no matter their background! Being an African American, i love this movie and appreciate how raw this movie can get! Few times you'll see Corrupted Police, Black lives on the streets and neighborboods and Italian Mobs gettung collected in one film! Sure everyone gets depecited in strange, sterotypical protrayal-but nobody is safe from sterotypes to their depictions and still gets its point across!
You asked who is this movie for? I think it was crated for racist white people. Their initial response to the visual and awful stereotypes would be excited to see it. No racist is going to watch a movie that is obviously trying to educate them. Ignorant people hate liberal messages and avoid anything "woke". But dress it up as stuff they believe and humor that seems to support their horrible ideals and that they will watch. Mayve the director hopes that while watching it some, not many might get the message. Think Archie Bunker, but just OTT.People who agreed with him watched the show and a few saw in the context of the show that he was wrong. I have not seen this cartoon, but it sounds like most people whoud be over-whelmed by the racist humor, but maybe they hoped some would get it. A good concept that gave uneducated racist too much credit.
You're invited to the cookout, Pig. I appreciate your admission of not knowing how to feel about this movie. Instead of pretending like you know you call it like it is. I think a question a lot more people have to ask is "who is this for?" as you said so beautifully. Depicting us as we are instead of a character to gawk at (as we are constantly shown as) would have made the message not so mocking towards those of color, and not so gratifying for white people who find it easier to 'other' us when we are treated as such.
I knew one day, modern “film critics“ of the woke variety would find this film, and be completely incapable of seeing it for what it is and what it’s trying to say, because they would be utterly unable to see past the intentionally stereotypical design of it. I find it hilarious when people get triggered by this film because they lack any capability of seeing the point of it.
Something you forgot to state, which explains the portrayal of jewish people in the film is that Bakshi was born in palestine and is from a jewish family himself. I feel that adds some needed context for the portrayal and why he did so.
What people overlook about this movie is that it’s a story about how America (white people) has treated and viewed all other races in the past (and in the present) and we’re basically seeing the world through ms.americas eyes and how she sees all other races as blunt, racist stereotypes and nothing more, but the story portrays a deeper narrative. It’s a lesson to look past the cover of a book and read the contents to judge its character
So you say you don’t think a racist person would see past the stereotypes but you have a problem seeing past them…hmmm. I haven’t seen the film but if it was black animators that drew the black characters it seems like they were ok with it
I loved this movie. I forgot that I had seen it. The voice acting was fantastic and was what really captured me.. Oh! And it introduced me to Miles Davis!!! They take his best performances and put it in the movie. (If it's not miles davis idk who.was making that magical noise in the movie.)
I like finding the stories told by different cultures. In my many searches I discovered brer rabbit, beer fox and brer bear all come from oral stories told by afrcian American in the south. So that's properly why Ralph Bakshi pick those names and animals Edit: Ah as soon as you post you literally say this
Pig pls review some anthology’s or some found footage movies please something different than animation.. edit: I know this isn’t an animated one but I’m talking about past vids
