The most fun cinema camera now comes in full frame. BMCC6kFF Review 

Thanks, Ed! Your comment made my morning 😃

same

Hope I showcased the camera well!

When you gonna get one?

China is a very photogenic place. Can’t get an uncinematic image if you wanted to

But Doohu is best gem

Besides dng

@@mabitzz9484naah the cdng is what makes it a real raw camera. RAW data file that is undebayered and unprocessed just like the old BM cameras. Blackmagic "RAW" is just a Prores codec slapped with some metadata. I've noticed that it doesn't actually have true wb adjustment in post. It's just shifting RGB values. So yeah blackmagic raw is not touching sigma in this department

No doubt seeing real time comparison shots the FP is on another planet look wise …it is so beautiful 😍 I was hesitant but now I know that the image is not even close so I will go for the FP

Pretty much all of the footage I’ve seen from an FP looks like it belongs in a horror film. Not saying it’s bad, just seems like ppl tend to bend toward dark moods with that camera, the same way XH2S users want to vintage Dehance nearly everything…

I wouldn’t sleep well if someone regretted purchasing something per my recommendation

It’s complete right out the box, love this camera particularly the screen

It can always be better! Thanks for watching

Thanks! When everything is B roll...does it become A roll?

@@cleverghostchili haha, sort of. It was a great watch. Keep rocking!

I'm making the soundtracks downloadable in the discord channel but they wont be free in perpetuity

Love received

Your encouragement is immeasurable!

You’ll enjoy it! Its so nice having a camera that just works without any bells and whistles

You’ll enjoy it! Its so nice having a camera that just works without any bells and whistles

@@cleverghostchili The urban night shots at the very end as credits/text roll are the BMCC6KFF or the Sigma FP? Gorgeous shots. I assume on one of the Zeiss lenses?

@@RyanFarnes Yes, bmcc6kFF, I'm quite certain it was the Zeiss Otus 28mm

@@cleverghostchili Thanks again for the video. And I loved grabbing the camera from your Amazon link since it was a bundle with extra batteries for free. #winning

Hope I won’t disappoint!

Hope it pays off

I love your comments so much!!!

You are too kind

An LED watch to match Chili's blue one. It's a small easter egg reappeared from previous videos, it's a prop but it does work and tell the time.

Smart choice

I'm right there with you! I've had my pocket 4K for about 2 years now, and the image it produces consistently surprises me.

I would love a pocket 4K G2/Pro and kinda don‘t get, why they have not done it yet.

Maybe one day it’ll be as smooth as his

@@cleverghostchili Just keep on practicing and making videos and one day it will. Maybe it could also focus on the theme of ur channel with ghosts and all that

Im always scouting for new locations to film, most exciting part on par with costume and props

BMCC6kFF still a great camera and i use it often, the main difference is the ease and better highlight roll off, which is honestly extremely beautiful as there's a reason all these cameras attempt to mimic Arri, Sigma FP still a unique look.

@@cleverghostchili I want an FP SO bad :) I have tools better suited to the work I do, but it'd be great to be able to justify the spend on an FP for personal projects one day. Great channel BTW - you really make all of these cameras sing. Whenever I need an emotional boost I'll get a quick fix of FP footage, and often come back to your work as some of the best examples of what can be done. Keep up the awesome work and thanks so much for sharing what you do. I love learning from and being inspired by your VO's too.

Thanks! I love the FP, love the image, just wish they'd upgrade workflow, QOL and ease of use! @@domonicwhite

So ultimately all things equal (and I would like to think of myself as a bit of an image snob as well) which camera would you recommend for indie narrative productions?

Sigma FP performs better overall, the noise and lowlight performance is one of the best, however if you have controlled abundant light then the blackmagic has a lighter look that could better resemble Arri footage if you desire. If you want more oomph in your visuals go for sigma, if you want a gentler look go for blackmagic. Oh and the files in the sigma are huge about 2TB for 2 hours so that is a con

patiently waiting...or do what i did, follow the store on social media and ask if they have it whenever they post a new shipment drop

Hah! If only you knew how budget my lighting is. I have BTS on discord server but my general philosophy is plastic diffusion, closer but dimmer lights

Both excel in different situations, the next video I'm working on I can see more clearly places where the bmcc6k will look better

Viltrox 13mm, xf 18mm f1.4LM, 23mm f2 are my recommendations, it depends how wide you would like to go. Spend wisely

You’re too kind, Tyler

Sigma has been trying to make a new FP with their own foveon sensor for a while, but it has been delayed for several years due to critical faults. If it ever does reach the market, it could be market changing, however i really doubt it will have as good lowlight performance as their previous foveon cameras didn't have as incredible low light. If they release a new camera i will definitely be in line, though i think the FP is honestly already lightning in the bottle

There are no problems with the dynamic range of fp, look not at the numbers, but at the frames. This camera would have a rival only Arri), but the latter is too clumsy to compete)

omg thank you, i was wondering where it could be since it has gyro data. Now i have to delete this video 😅

I have a review on that camera ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Vh67sZf9Dro.html. It a very quirky camera. Pros, it is small, durable, weather proof, low noise, better lowlight, better colors, better texture, great photos. Cons, bad ergonomics, no high frame rates, need SSD, weak daylight clipped highlights, huge file sizes, no ibis. These two cameras will excel i different areas

I feel the same, though I still struggle with daytime shooting with the sigma, it's a vampire camera

It's an impressive camera, however from the footage i've seen, it still seems to have a similar problem i had with the xh2s, which is that it feels a bit sharp for video. I love how they are adding false color and anamorphic modes, which should definitely trickle down to the next xh line.

@@cleverghostchili You are right , from all the footage I saw it still produce a dslr ish sharpness . It’s too bad because the specs are really good

Exactly that, basic background drones i made for these videos. I’ve made all the music I’ve made for my videos for free download on discord for the moment, not sure which track that one is I’ll have to check

It’s a handcrank generator with multiple functions but for the purpose of this video, it’s a metaphor.

@@cleverghostchili very cool, symbolic of the past yet modern.

I do now, you can add slight blur or add grain to give a softer image. And try not to film at f5.6 or anything like that esp for people

thanks! do you think it makes the image more organic? i just feel like theres a weird sharpness to the image thats not easy to remove@@cleverghostchili

if you ask 10 people what organic means you'll probably get 10 different answers. It's become quite an ambiguous term, what I can say is that the xh2s and bmcc6k are easier to match than the FP if you add slight blur. In Davinci Resolve I'd suggest changing mid detail (MD) to about -20 on the xh2s and you can also add a slight .51 radius blur if you want. Radius tends to look better with a layer mixer@@JannisBierschenk

@@cleverghostchili thank you!!

Have fun shooting! It's the most fun i've had filming, you can consider using a cinesaddle to make it even more enjoyable

@@cleverghostchili fuuuuuuck my arms would love a cinesaddle. Might have to cop. Just dropped a dime on a good rig dr bag but the saddle is quality of life. Thanks man!

Cinesaddle price is gross, just make your own or look on Chinese market like mine. LIFECHANGING!@@dabbyfps

@@cleverghostchili Definetly going to make my own!

Go for bebop bag instead! :-)

Yeah things will change depending mac or pc. I have a few videos planned and there are other videos out there that do the same. The resolution of this vid is ProRes 422 HQ 6048x2520 6k but your Sony will export 4k. ProRes will be higher quality than h265 but for RU-vid it should be insignificant. Audio render 24bit -14LUF. However, these are MEANINGLESS if you dont have the correct colorspace management. Especially if you are on Mac you will need to go into preferences and tick some check boxes. Then select the proper color management so that your render is the same as what you see on RU-vid (1,1,1). ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HEL8_kdbMBE.htmlsi=gwiZ7INBVZsnFykO

@@cleverghostchili Thank a lot for the link! So… it doesn’t matter if the file is standard 4k 100mb/s? The difference in visual quality is all about the export? I’ve always asked myself if i can get really good quality video on 8bit and i was actually thinking about selling that cam and get an fx30. I edit on a standard laptop so i’ll go with the mac instead. Does the pc make the difference quality wise? O it’ll just be slower exporting?

So 8 bit vs 10bit you will notice more color gradations. What this means is a shadow will look like one shade in 8 bit but may look more like a realistic gradient in 12bit. I think it makes a big difference but 8bit is acceptable for youtube, though 10bit is definitely better, but can still get ruined by YT compression. Everyone has trouble with YT compression. 4K Higher resolution is better on YT which will have better processing than 1080, 100mb/s is more than enough. The computer brand shouldn't matter too much, its about your computer specs, which should only affect render speeds as long as your color management is correct, though the M1 macbooks are very capable. I took a look at one of your videos, if you upload in 4K youtube will give you better results, just make sure your color management is correct

@@cleverghostchili Thank you for taking the time. Means a lot 🫶🏻

I like his macro shots, though I’m not at his level yet

@cleverghostchili Yeah, I'm learning from him, he's a master. I'm planning on buying a new camera in Spring of next year because my 10 year old Canon T5i Rebel isn't cutting it for my cinema journey lol. Anyway great video, you have great talent. I really like the music too. It's ok to use?

Yep, I share it all under creative common license, use it for youtube, personal stuff, but no paid commercial work@@03chrisv

Awesome! The thing about zeiss is though they are very sharp they have dramatic focus fall off (which can lead to out of focus shots) but creates the illusion of a softer image. I think the olpf is actually quite soft, but I’ve only used the bmpcc4k. Leica R also nice lenses I like them for photography. Daytime shooting is exactly what I had in mind with this camera. Good to see more Chinese filmmakers in china! I already have trouble finding people to work with…

Seems the 6kFF is softer ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-sE3c4PpsLz0.htmlsi=nYobOSXCV0XmbRQ- hm...looked softer when i was on mobile...guess not

@@cleverghostchili Another great way so soften image I noticed is to use aivascope anamorphic on 16:9 which creats a very distinctive look when paired with vintages lens. I came to Germany long time ago and studied art since then. My goal is to get connected with Chinese film makers, artists and camera/lens brands in my next journey, and I will definitely make few stops in south china since it's too cold in the north haha. Glad that I discovered your channel👍

@@Meatyowlleg Avis scope is so cool, would love try it with my lens. I love the cold! 福州 is way too hot! But china of course is very photogenic very good for cinematography

@@cleverghostchili you on WeChat?

Boo! 👻

I've been thinking about that for a few videos now, but I trust the CGC will eventually find his own unique style, he used to have one. Keep up the good work CGC!

Thanks for the input, definitely have not optimized my settings so it should look better in the future

@@cleverghostchili as far as i'm aware there are not much settings in davinci - you'll see in gyroflow there are a lot of setting to play with :)

I have the EF version with no aperture wheel. EF-L sigma mc-21 adapter, you can find the adapters and all other tech specs in the description and ending credits as well

Noted. Thanks. That 28 is special, no doubt.

The blackmagic is so fun to use, this is of course preference but I think it is optimized for less contrasty grades and more softer filmic looks, Sigma FP is a of course very special to me and has a 1:1 pixel read out in apsc mode making it sharper than the full frame mode, more difficult to grade, though both can use blackmagic colorspace. Also please bear in mind I use a very contrasty lens with 3d pop so results may vary! Let me know which you end up choosing! Always very interested in these things

@@cleverghostchili Happy to keep you posted... thanks for these comments, it's very helpful to get first-hand insight into some of these finer differences between the two cameras, which as you point out are influenced by so many variables like lens choice and performance, shooting conditions, grade etc. That's why I really liked your video actually, as it helps unpack these things - most reviewers are just doing the same old technical specs-based videos, and showing off some nice looking footage. That doesn't help anyone create from their mind's eye vision... you clearly have that rare mix of artistic and technical insights! The BM seems to have a really good APS-C mode from footage I've seen, and that's a strong pro in its favour. The image quality cropped in looks stunning, and I like the detailed by softer look of the camera. Those larger photocells have their advantages. If I went with the FP, I'd probably want to use the minimum crop factor possible to maximise the pixel count: from what I understand, the whole philosophy of the FP-L is that higher pixel count creates that depth-look, so I'd be better off with the FP-L rather than FP. I don't need crazy low light performance, so both 6KFF and FP-L should be good enough. FP-L crop factor, by my rough calculations, would still allow 40MP-ish levels of detail cropped in. The Sigma art zooms I have can cover a full frame sensor in the higher half of their zoom ranges, so do you know if you can use the FP sensor area flexibly with APS-C zooms attached? Or will the camera limit crop choices when an apsc lens is attached? I might ask Sigma... Now you mention it, I can 'see' in the blackmagic website gallery examples what you mean about the 6k's tendency to create softer, filmic looks. You can push it a bit towards more contrasty and punchy styles, but only so far. I like the BM look that is not too clinically sharp, but that FP look is really intriguing: sharp, and yet organic... it feels to me like the image immerses you in an experience, whereas the BM keeps you at a filmic distance from it... I really am torn still! In truth, I want both cameras! But I'll have to choose one first. FYI, I have two Sigma Art APS-C zooms, the usual 18-35 f1.8 and 50-100 f1.8, plus I have a Nikon AIS 85mm f1.4 and a Laowa 12mm Zero D f2.8. I've sold everything else in prep to change the camera. I'm thinking of getting a Micro Nikkor 55mm f2, as I like getting close ups for the of stories I want to tell. I'm thinking I'll probably get some full frame Sigma L-mount primes over time, starting with a 35mm I think. Or maybe SLR magic, not yet decided. I'm a solo shooter, so I don't need Cine glass really, and I'm not currently thinking of anamorphics, but I do fancy those new Nisi cine primes as well. So, I have some sharp glass but the contrast on the Sigmas is subject to the lighting conditions. You have to be very careful shooting into light, and use flags etc to protect contrast (ie use matte box or hood). I have the usual filters to play with, NDs, BPMs etc. At the moment, the choice between FP and 6KFF is really difficult and just boils down to the look. My final decision is going to be based on the projects I have in mind, and which look best suits the stories I want to tell. That's a hard choice to make in advance, without lots of testing in advance... but it boils down to choosing between realistic immersive experiences (FP) vs more filmic dreamy ones (BM)... so I'm working first on figuring out the project needs. Of course, storytelling is ultimately more important than camera choice, but the image is something really important to the sorts of stories I'm working on, and I want to be inspired by the images coming out of the camera... Thanks for chiming in!

@@cleverghostchili in case of interest this is some of the fp-l and fp footage that got me most excited about that camera: FP-L landscape shots ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-IRkDUYNSFPg.htmlsi=jAAbXMGqwz6_k5q5 Warm gold on fp-l ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4qSau3JkxgI.htmlsi=v_fl9jPoRHlXVaEV Fp natural low light organic feel ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-J3Bj69dpXHs.htmlsi=1_rV8Qw8CF0v7lzA

Loved reading this. The sigma FP has 3 modes, apsc, auto (which will determine for you if the lens does not cover) and full frame sensor. As the sensor is likely a 6k sensor downsampled to 4k full frame, it actually does appear soft in a filmic way so the bmcc6k is definitely sharper, which could pair better with softer glass actually. You can still use blackmagic color space on the sigma if you desire less of that high contrast dimensional look. Sigma is a great under expose camera and blackmagic better at over exposing. Color is arguably better on the sigma as well, but the workflow and ergonomics are not nearly as good as blackmagic. The sigma is not fun to shoot without a ssd holder, monitor or evf, but you get great photos. The blackmagic is the most fun you can get filming. Ultimately it should come down to this, if you want the best image quality it’s the sigma, if you want the best experience it is blackmagic. Both great cameras in different situations

@@cleverghostchili Thanks again, good to know the 3 shooting modes allow manual selection of sensor image area. That confirms the FP/FP-L would work for me. Agree with what you say, and interesting to note the distinctions in sharpness and colour of the images from these cameras - these things are hard to judge without actually using the cameras. In honesty, I'm really attracted to that seemless BM workflow from capture to grade, it's hard to overlook! And the BM even creates proxies for you... I have a Ninja V and some SSD media, so that could pair initially with the FP-L as monitor (with its PQ mode for monitoring raw if I record in ProRes, though I'd prefer to work with dng capture direct to SSD. If I get the FP-L I'd work with a dng workflow for raw files, despite the inconvenience. Thanks for helping my research and decision-making. Just down to making a final choice now. Gut feel is currently the 6KFF mainly for the workflow and that fun factor you mention, which I think will really help unlock the energy and enjoyment of the process. But I can't quite let go of that lovely image in the FP-L... will let you know which way I go!

Did not hate it, but it really takes away from the experience of actually hearing what you're saying. With that said: Excellent visuals and nice locations. Next time comparing, maybe also throw in a side-by-side comparison. Keep it up 😗🤌

Love the music.

Sigma mc21, you can find it in description and credits as well. However I’d suggest a different locking adapter if you use anamorphic or use a follow focus system

You man the OG pocket right? It has a texture reminiscent of film which also has a clunky workflow like the sigma FP. However the FP has the option for true 4k for when you want modern looks which i prefer. The OG produces some of the most beautiful filmic looks contending with the canon eos m and sony f3 imo, very special camera, if only fairchild still made sensors, something magic about 16mm, Octopus also very intriguing images

Yeah I’ll certainly be following the Octopus16, excited to see what that yields if/when it’s released The Blackmagic Micro Cinema Camera is actually a bit of a companion to the BMPCC OG, can shoot 60 fps, Raw 3:1, full size HDMI, slightly faster readout, cooling fan But some people think the image is a little cleaner/more modern, and loses some of the “glossiness” of the BMPCC OG, although fortunately the difference seems to be largely negligible

Fantastic deal especially considering I prefer this cam over the Pyxis

Yes, especially if you mess around in the menus too long. It shouldn’t be as prevalent down the line

I believe the Eva1 has more mic inputs and maybe sdi making it the most convenient and practical but if you are just one guy or a few people willing to compromise jank audio, power or monitor setups you can consider the blackmagic or sigma fp. Because I'm an image quality snob and i understand these cameras more intimately I'd opt for one of these two, the sigma has very good texture and immersiveness but massive data requirement for a feature (2TB for 2 hours for 4k 12bit), the blackmagic can look like arri especially indoors, but it has pretty poor lowlight. It would depend a lot on what i was shooting and if i wanted heavier or lighter visuals. The xh2s and s1h are also great if the story is compelling enough and you can ignore the weaker texture with lighting and colorgrading. I would say eva1 is a smart choice, also great visuals, a bit softer more nostalgic but perfect for an organic indie drama.

​@@cleverghostchili Thanks so much for such a detailed reply! Have a great day!

it normally takes a few seconds to load up. To be honest qc problems like these in blackmagic are not uncommon, they usually go away after a reboot or reset

I understand. Thank you for responding, @@cleverghostchili

Same, at the end of the day image quality is most important and the workflow difficulties can be forgotten. I’d still choose the blackmagic 30% of the time as there are places it definitely excels

Zeiss Otus 28mm f1.4

@@cleverghostchili Thank you, that footage is stunning.

4k dci will crop into the sensor super 35, not full frame, you can always record 6k dci and export 4k

I’ll keep it on my radar, there are some other reviews comparing the 6kff and s5ii I believe, seems like the roll off and immersion on the 6k is better but you get ibis and lowlight performance on the lumix

@@cleverghostchili I can achieve some of the rolloff in post. I can’t get the lowlight and ibis back on post (I guess unless you use the gyro data) I am looking at getting a recorder for BRAW on the s5ii and I’ve seen the highlight recovery look gorgeous

I’m shooting at f1.4 for the majority of this video to show the maximum depth of field full frame gives you which the 6k pro doesn’t have. But the color and texture will be very comparable, the 6k pro is slightly softer and better low light

The color is very nice on blackmagic, a bit saturated but overall nice. I grade in Arri colorspace most of the time

I personally think so, though I may not be the best at grading bmcc6k as I tried to match cameras and a less contrast grade might have complemented the camera better

To show you the new sensor OLPF and new mount

Fan is particularly loud when I go into camera settings

I will try to for an uocoming video, what do you want to see? You can watch 10:50 in the meantime

Some of the complaints with this camera are quite unreasonable. It's to be expected with a larger sensor. It would be like if blackmagic made a small box pocket camera everyone wants, but people complain about a smaller screen.

Looks like 2.4:1

@@zak0937 yes, can also see technical specs at end of video

Haven’t used that camera, but from the images I’ve seen from the c70 etc, canon (in general) seems very clean and more professional. I think it’s great for a documentary style

Xh2s sharpest, sigma FP softest and strongest base contrast

And maybe the h2s it's easy to operate run and gun.. right? For ibs.. less roling shutter.. @@cleverghostchili

i reviewed that cameras ibis, is good for standing still but its too jumpy when walking or running i turn it off when moving. rolling shutter is great, about 10ms?@@fridadeivizsla2729

I don't walk when i'm filming :) so i don't mind.. how is the skin tone on fuji?@@cleverghostchili

Skin tones are very subjective. In Asia a magenta shift will be more attractive for yellower skin tones whereas caucasions may prefer a greener tint. I like fuji greens and skintones especially for film emulation, however i think Sigma FP is better. In these indecisive situations you likely already know the answer of what you want, but you just want to hear someone confirm it. Go with your instinct and you won't have regrets @@fridadeivizsla2729

Yes

ru-vid.com?search_query=gxace

Maybe the budget video version

@@cleverghostchili Compared to my videos I'd say your a little bit more than just budget. I tried going for the Gxace vibe with a tiny desk with one light in a dark room.

是的，听说别人也有这个问题，我的还好但是如果我要拍低光的东西我不会用这个相机。Sigma FP 索尼 肯定更好 其实arri低光也不是特别优秀的

@@cleverghostchili 我准备去售后了，试试看能不能换新，点击我的头像看我发的第一个视频就是这个问题

It is good for narrative work, the question is compared to what? It's better than mirrorless cameras and the pocket6k. The analysis comes mostly from these aspects - lower base contrast, lowlight rolloff and image texture. But it's very affordable and i think it can still complement Arri cameras. I like Arri colorspace on this camera. The commercial looks i argue comes mostly from the brighter visuals and strong highlights, I find lights to feel more sourcey and skin reflects light too much

@@cleverghostchili Those are things that can be controlled in post

@leebrandt8597 I hear you, but with that logic any camera can produce the same result (which is arguably mostly true) but from a review perspective that doesn’t help differentiate a camera. With attention to small detail, those vibes are still what I believe the blackmagic excels with and leans toward. I found it very difficult in post to produce my usual moodier visuals as everything ended up feeling a bit bright. But Id love to be proven wrong

@@cleverghostchili No worries man, I hope you're able to figure out to get the footage that you like from it. I've had no issues with pushing the grade in whatever direction I like, including moodier stuff. It's interesting to find out what each persons workflow looks like, since there's so many different ways to tackle footage. Cheers

The fairfield sensor on the bmpcc OG was the most special to me. That being said, i think the URSA 4.6k is their best modern camera, maybe better than the 12k even

Yeah, me and The Creator always copying the only sci-fi reference known on RU-vid XD

ha comparing yourself to the Creator, relax. did you keep the FF though?

@@cleverghostchili also your expo / contrast node sitting at the wrong place.

I hope not, The Creator was terribad, but it seems anything remotely Bladerunner is considered gxace on youtube. I still have the 6kff

Perhaps for your workflow. Maybe your opinion would matter more if you filmed anything resembling a film

I'll improve it for the next video, just give me 10 years

What a totally sh!tty comment to make? Guy has produced a next level review with quality and class and that is your best response?? If got nothing constructive to say maybe keep it shut…