Most dealers don't even pay attention. It usually gets fixed after another player says something. It rarely gets to the point that the chips over the cap come in to play in one hand. It's a 1/3 with a 1500 cap.
Bart I got one for you, one time i was sitting in seat 9 at a 1/3 game at a local casino in NC. I looked down at my cards and see 2 red Jack's, so i raised it to 20 but when I did this the dealer grabbed my cards and mucked them. Obviously this was my fault for not protecting my whole cards in the bad seat(s), and the hand would normally continue for everyone else with a free 20$ donation from me. I told the dealer it was my mistake and there was no hard feelings but this is where it gets weird. The dealer insisted on calling the floor over to handle it, and when the floorman gets to the table, our dealer tells him that he mistakenly mucked my cards after I bet but he was positive which 2 cards in the muck were mine. The floorman tells him he can grab the 2 cards without looking at them from the muck qnd give them to me, and if I said they were the same I could play the hand. 😮 well, I get back 1 black jack and 1 red jack 😂 and obviously I play the hand. (Might be a bit dishonest but we are all poker players for a reason, right?) I end up taking the pot down before the river and won like 60$ from the strangest situation I've been inso far. Even stranger, not a single person on my table had any sort of problem with what just happened😂
The ruling at most places I play at, there is a cap unless you came from another table that was the same blinds/buy in. Lets say you have $500 in chips you won ($300 cap) in 1/3 game, if you go to another 1/3 table the cap doesn’t matter. But if you were at a larger table (2/5, 5/10 etc) then try to bring those chips to a smaller buying table, the cap applies and you can only buy in for the cap. Edit: also racks are not allowed on table for more than one full rotation or it voids the bad beat should it hit during this time.
I've been a poker dealer at my casino for nearly a decade, in my experience it's entirely dependent on which supervisor comes to make the ruling and how they are feeling that day. If i'm dealing I do what I can to be on the side of someone that I think is getting free rolled like this. I would have given as much information as possible to the floor and kind of lean into the fact that the player with AK was getting unfairly screwed over. Also if you are dealing a 1/3 game you should know where 100% of all black chips are at all times..
I have been a reg at one eyed jacks for about 5 years… I will make sure a manager sees this video. Playing devils advocate he may have been continuously adding on with the black chips. Just from experience at 1-3 at this location there is pretty much a zero tolerance for someone buying in above the cap. (They can change the game if everyone agrees). It’s also a rule that you can only play 2 hands with chips in the rack.
Not that it matters now but the incident occurred Sept 12 an hour or so before close after midnight so technically sept 13th villan is in his late 50s to early 60s maybe itialian wears a Cuban necklace and big watch just FYI.
My guess is the villain is a VIP in other games at this casino, and they were going to rule in his favor no matter how flimsy the ruling. Really, really shady stuff here.
It’s to avoid detection of the players who are whale hunting. Floor doesn’t give a shit about someone never coming back who was getting money off them. Need to create bad blood within a player who beats them
The dealer runs the game. He needs to get the ruling before the pot is pushed. All management decisions r final. Keep in mind poker players often miss key details of the story. It is common for casinos to have unqualified floors. Poker rooms r usually more consistent. However, an out of town player could get screwed from bias towards a regular. This can be intentional or unintentional.
Then get called by AK and loose to an A on run out. Perfect opportunity to have your blacks on the rail lol! I would love to see what that ruling would be.
I think open folding QQ is fine when you don't think the game is fair and you can't trust it. Starting hands don't matter when you are being cheated post flop.
Profab machine says in another post that he is the caller and that this happened in Fla. For the other commenter, he said that he is FROM Colorado, not that this happened in Co.
It’s always the mofos that are not in the hand that starts crap. If you’re not in the hand then stfu unless the dealer makes an error on reading the hands or similar.
So basically at this poker room you can buy in for $500 and play from a $500 stack an entire orbit. And then at any random time you are allowed to take half your stack and put it on the arm rest and only play from a $250 stack. Then next hand add it back and play from a $500 stack. Please correct me if I’m wrong, but based on this ruling you can take chips off or add randomly in between hands where no one ever really knows your stack???
As a self proclaimed poker ambassador of fair play I hereby denounce the One Eyed Jacks poker room in Sarasota Florida as a TERRIBLE DISHONOR TO THE GAME WE LOVE. BOYCOTT IMMEDIATELY OR SUFFER KARMAIC DOWNSWING OF 2 OUTERS AT A MUCH HIGHER RATE OF 20%.
I've seen some floor people with some weird ideas about poker. Poker rooms are generally a low priority for casinos so it's my opinion that they put employees with very little experience in those positions, which sucks for the players who obviously have a lot of experience and know the rules better than the employees.
This is the reason I will verify what's in play before a hand is dealt when a player leaves chips in a rack or moves tables or anything strange happens.
When your favorite poker content creator likes the comment calling you a liar....well unreliable. Internet pain and sadness...I expected some hate in the comment section, but that little heart takes it to a new level.
@@profabmachine bro ( I responded to your other comment with my perspective/insight) I watched this video several times now and everything is not adding up. It doesn’t seem like you clearly remember a lot of really key factors. I get that it happened fast and you weren’t expecting bs however those are just excuses the fact of the matter is this story seems like it’s missing things making it unreliable.
@@profabmachinemaybe this is not the full video but things like you got pushed your chips and then afterwards they count everything? Then take chips that the dealer already pushed? While he was playing with black chips that are sort of on the rack? Idk I could watch it again and take notes on everything that doesn’t make sense and list out but you get the point I’m trying to make. I already told you I will make sure management sees this video .
Had a horrible rulling at a 1-3 table I throw in a 100 chip in a $14 dolla pot And of course the players freak the fuck out and say thats not a bet of 100 They call the floor and he says "Since u didnt announce the amount u can only bet the amount of the pot"
@Nick-ql6ov Not if he is first to bet on a post flop street. If he was facing a bet, then yes it’s a call not a raise but if his option is check or bet and he throws in 100, the bet is 100. The ruling of “you can only bet pot” is completely wrong, stupid, and nonsensical in any of these scenarios unless it’s a pot limit game.
I disagree with Bart saying the villain taking the 250 back after agreeing to pay the 500 is scummy because if you're gonna play in a room where the floor is going to make egregious decisions like that you can't just be the good guy because then you're opening yourself up to being free rolled like he was talking about.
I 100% give it back. It's not the floors or the dealers game, it's the players game and if it feels like you cheated a player then you did. It's not even a decision.
with the way this guy doesn't remember SO many details of this hand, I feel like he may have been confused about some of the more important details too.
Poker rooms don't really have consistent rulings, at least not anymore. I've had older people telling me how the rules were so clear cut back in the day and the floor was really strict. I don't know how much that's true, but nowadays the floor just shows favoritism to certain people and makes stuff up on the go to suit their needs or the needs of whoever they like.
@@danielmeuler2877 Wow. Yeah I play mostly at different Station Casinos in Las Vegas and they're pretty horrible, but the games tend to be really soft so that's why I go. I actually got banned from one of their rooms just for questioning the floor person on why they always forget to put my name on the list when I call in, and I think I kind of embarrassed them about it because there were some other players around. The next time I went there, I put my name on the list with the same floor person, waited about 30 mins, and then as soon as I got a seat, the floor person and some guy pretending to be a security guard comes up to me and ushers me away from the table, and they tell me that multiple people complained that I smelled bad. lol like I literally just sat down, and if it was some complaint that was made earlier, why did you wait for me to sit down to tell me? They literally saw me waiting for half an hour and said nothing. Obviously a bunch of nonsense. So I play at one of their other locations but they also have very loose rulings on stuff. Basically the staff think that they're gods and no one should dare question them, which I've just kind of accepted because it's my living for now.
@@Mr--Pineapple Rite? I have played in rooms where the Rules Differed depending on who was Floor Boss at the moment. But that is not the Norm and is why I will only play poker in a sanctioned room.
I hate it when other players get involved who aren’t in the hand. I’d target them the rest of the time they’re at my table and take great delight in felting them.
This was just insane. I would have demanded a manager, refused to pay, and would have been ready to go to court over this. Even if I get kicked out of that poker room, I would not want to play in a mitt joint like that. The most insane bullshit poker ruling I have ever heard of.
This is why the only thing I'm a rules stickler about is calling out immediately if someone does something sus with their stacks. I want to be able to always know what the effective stacks are at all times.
The idea that chips are visibly on the table and not in play is just a concept that frankly floors me. That's definitely not a game I'd want any part of.
I had an experience where a woman in seat 1 was Palming chips off the table. If she wasn't sure she had the best hand and then with palm hips onto the table when she had the nuts. She was eventually caught and escorted out. The funny thing was that the next person who sat in her seat did the exact same thing. He was also escorted out.
This is a horrible way to cheat in a game where people consistently staring at you and chips even when pretending not. Also pretty dangerous considering your cheating the whole table and basicly pokwr room
Should have called Gaming for clarification. They have a reg for every poker situation. Floor was most likely following a reg. He may have misinterpreted the reg but he was definitely following a reg. Col. Floors have to study regs and Gaming gives random quizzes. Col. Gaming runs a tight ship.
Leaving the game seems like the right move if you're tilted and know you're tilted (and worse if you suspect you are the victim of cheating/collusion).
This is bizarre just by the preflop action. If villain was only playing 245, then why did he ask how much hero had. behind after 4 betting to 230. If villain had any integrity. He would of paid off the correct amount. Regardless of the ruling, but like in many cases. Greed prevails.
i have strange rulings, request state gaming commission, wont get solved that minute, I have had 2 for 2 ruling in my favor., and have gotten checks from the casino
Stupid question here - why does the cap even matter if he's been playing a while (yes, I know he "bought in" for more than the cap)...but he's also won money while at the table, so even if he bought in for $500 it sounds like he'd have more, just like hero had over $500. I thought the cap was only applicable to the buy-in, not on how much you could lose (or how much you're allowed to have on the table).
That’s very true but at the same time if he just left without paying then he most likely he would’ve been banned resulting in the rest of the chips not being able to cash in for $
If you’re just going to get up and leave after anyway, and it’s not your normal poker room, just refuse to return the money and tell them to ban you. I’m never giving the guy back his money if he’s been playing with a rack of chips over the cap for several hands and as soon as he loses the floor gets called and he gets to lose less, especially after he was fine paying you the correct amount. I’d never be able to sleep again if I gave the money back assuming the player and floor were friends and they were running a grift on me.
( you muttering i dont think i fold QQs pre flop ).. uh.. no... nobody folds QQs pre flop.. unless they are just that much on tilt.. i get on tilt, but never let anyone see or hear it.. and try to play into that, as if i am now going to be seriously " Loose".. far from it.. my "on tilt" perceived play is nothing like i am actually playing, which is almost Nitty.. so when i get it in, i have way better than expected.. it pays off to be Perceived ON TILT,, without BEING on Tilt...🤑🤑🤑
Why is the dealer stopping the game when both players agreed? Dealer's job is to keep the game going. Why is the floor called? Why didn't the guy give the money back after the floor left if he agreed to it? None of this makes sense.
Terrible ruling however the caller messed up for not knowing how much each player is in for, when there is a confusion ask the dealer. And you called his all in, you need to ask how much he have behind. Just rewatched it, you 4bets, he reraised all in, before he raised he asked how much you have behind, thats what you need to do. Protect yourself.
Why is this a surprise when every card room dealer knows every regular by first name and are constantly having side convos during hands? Right or wrong, the guy with the rack got a ruling that benefited him vs a 'fish' or someone new to the room.
If he was not planning to come back to that room, and the chips were already in front of him, I believe he could just take those chips, rack up, and cash out and they can’t physically stop him. They can ‘86 him until he pays, but that doesn’t matter if he has no plans to return. Someone please correct me on this if I’m wrong.
No I believe you are correct. Even if you announce “call” to someone’s all in, you could technically refuse to pay and get booted for life. As a dealer, I make sure the chips go into the pot before running the hand out to avoid ugly situations like this.
Most insane? One time I tabled my Omaha hand showing nut straight in a huge pot after calling the river when the board paired. The villain (everyone else folded) flashed one card saying "take it down, I only made trips", and mucked the rest. We're talking thrown deep into the muck under all the other discards. The lady next to him says, no you had a full house, then fishes "his other 3 cards" out of the muck, one of which matched the board,. Then SHE called the floor. I stupidly stopped raking in the chips, thinking what a waste of time, especially. with the posted rules in plain sight, with rule #1 = "all mucked hands are dead." Ruling - '"Well if he had a boat, and was in for all bets, that beats a straight, so he wins". Foolishly, I kept playing on huge tilt.
Honesty is honesty, and the Villain here is not honest! Plain & simple, the Villain said it was fine to count the chips that were on the rail which on the face of it is honesty at it's finest. However, when the floor comes in and says to refund the villain $285 because those chips were on the rail, not on the felt, I as the honest villain, am going to state NO, emphatically NO! I don't want the chips, it was a fair hand, and you guys made the wrong decision. The villain here is not honest, and potentially cheating! There should be a rule, if the chips are visible to the dealer, they are fair game. Putting chips on the rail, or armrest of the table should not invalidate them from play! 👍😎✌🗽 P.S. Personally, I would have taken this to management, and asked for a refund as the ruling was wrong!
Bart, when and where can we see you playing high stakes poker? Are there opportunities to see you with Daniel Negreanu, Justin Bonomo, Tom Dwan, Phil Ivey, Garrett Adelstein and others of that level? Thanks!
@@buraastragedija , okay smart guy. What are the "clear facts????" I am making an educated assumption based on the way the dealer and floor reacted in an incredibly non-standard way. Grow up and think about it!
i think the most disgusting part is how the villian doesnt give your money back. If that happened to me I'm giving my opponent all the moeny back and spitting in the floors face
Are there’s no cameras in this casino?? It’s as simple as checking the camera. If there’s a gaming commission in this state you played. Go to gaming commission. Something sounds completely off. The 6-7 other players would easily chime in and say it was in play. Something does NOT add up here. I think the person telling his side of the story might not have all his ducks in a row. No cameras to check the tape? Floor leaves without knowing all sides of the story. The moment the floor knew the black chips were in play in previous hands, should automatically mean its in play this hand. Like nothing is adding up here. WHy is it ever allowed to keep any chips on the table that are not in play. Extra chips should NEVER EVER be on the table for reasons such as this.
Also, the floor should never ever just walk away if you still have a valid gripe about how the ruling was. The guy should have talked to the floor immediately after to find out why he could play those chips in previous hands, but it doesn’t count now. THe fact the guy doesn’t even continue stand up for himself to me, means he maybe knew those chips shouldn’t have been in play. Which is why he wanted to give back 30 bucks over the 500 and just move the game along. So with all this info provided, I think the dude knew the 200 wasn’t in play, and that he’s only half telling the truth. Theres just so much to this story that makes no sense.
Every poker room has their shady regs who try to get away with bullshit like this. There’s a couple dudes I know who are known cheaters and I try to call them out as soon as they sit at my table. Needless to say they hate me but I don’t care
i just realized i got a story not very good but im going to tell it cuz it was fked up , prob alot more common, i was playin in a cash game got it all in vs a guy who was friends with dealer, coin flip ak vs qq , i ask if he wants to run it twice he says yea, dealer hears us we agree and he does first run out, i miss my ak draw, dealer pushes pot to him and says u cant run it twice here, didnt mention anything before hand while we were discussing it, call floor over they agree, i pick up rest of my stack and walk out.
This is a ridiculous story. If this guy was betting the black chips and taking down pots in other hands with them, how could the dealer or other players that lost those pots not mention that to the floor? I'm not saying this guy's story is not true. I'm just saying the outcome of this story should have never happened, and if I was this guy I never would have given the chips back and I would have called him out and the dealer based on him playing with those black chips in other pots and scooping pots up with them.
And then don't pay if he loses. That would be fair and show all the other players at the table that this particular poker room is not safe or trustworthy. It would become an "air chips" game and they would go out of business. 😂
I enjoy these stories bcuz i know crazy shit like this happens all the time, but this one does not make any sense once again, the guys chips were in play the hand before and he moved them to the rail? never heard of that, playing whats in his rack?
Well no, not really... when 2 players, a dealer, and a floorman are all colluding to cheat and scam you, why would you continue to play? The guy just got scammed out of 90 big blinds.
Hero did not confirm amount in play. The floor decision was fair. You can only bring in table max when changing from higher limit to lower limit. Sucks, but it’s your fault for not asking the right questions before the hand was played out. Had hero lost the hand, he would also only pay villain $245.
guys, I may be stupid or outdated...but where I used to play all the time it DIDN'T MATTER where the chips were (INCLUDING the rack)...basically, if the chips are on the table in ANY form and no matter how they are stacked, they PLAY...can someone please clarify how the rules vary casino to casino?
I dont belowve this hand happened.. information spunded odd...then the whole "i was so mad i open folded queens". Everyone on earth would have shipped that hand to appear on tilt begging foran AJ call...
OP sees weird shit going on, at no point asks the dealer what's going on, and then is surprised when a ruling is made against him. This is 100% on you, OP. Ask the dealer what's in play. You're a big boy.
