*The most logical persons would never argues against veganism, because there isn't any plausible argument against being vegan.* Edit: I've dubbed this video to brazilian portuguese and posted here in my channel.
@Aaron Loos what shite are you talking? the fact is most of us in the western world have a choice to be vegan or not. so why choose to kill another sentient being? stop making rubbish excuses man, simply walk to tesco and buy some fruit and veg ffs. veganism has been proven to be the ONLY sustainable diet. you might wanna check out the oxford study
@Aaron Loos i don't know where this information comes from, but that is not true. Legumes, whole grains, veggies, fruit, nuts and seeds have all the nutrition we need and a huge variety of them is locally available almost everywhere in the world. Even among the philosophers in ancient greece and rome there were many vegans, f.e. sokrates, so this has nothing to do with modern life.
@Aaron Loos Literally in the poorest zones of this world, people eat vegetables and lentils and all that kind of stuff cause it's cheap af. Low cost, ya know. I've never been privileged in my whole life, sometimes i don't even know if I'll be able to buy groceries for my mom til the end of the month (and, spoiler, my grocery trips are cheap af), and yet what do i eat? Vegan stuff. Cause you know, all the vegetables, fruits and lentils in the world? Yeah, a product doesn't need to have the label "vegan" and "meat alternative" to be, in fact vegan. You just make up a bunch of thing and then say "YES, I'VE POKER OF ACES" but we're playing basketball here
@Aaron Loos If they're (adult) humans, yes. If not, they are not moral agents, which means they cannot act morally/immorally or right/wrong. Which does not mean that they are not moral patients. They still deserve our moral consideration. Same thing with toddlers for example.
@Aaron Loos Animals kill for survival, not for pleasure. Even the few species with "bad reputations" go into overkill mode with the intention of returning to their spoils.
@Aaron Loos No, it just means you can't hold an animal accountable for killing another animal for survival or defense. Or even if it's a lion killing another baby lion, which is a behaviour that has evolved over years and keeps existing because it benefits his own fitness. Same as you can't hold Charlie accountable for biting his brother. Some animals have empathy and a sense of fairness. Do some reading. And I would argue that humans can have all the empathy in the world, it's worth nothing when cognitive dissonance is in the way.
We are so much top of the food chain as gorillas are (who are vegan). What makes us being “top of the food chain”? We are hominids, apes essentially, not shark lions or leopards. I think the expression is fundamentally wrong.
'You betrayed that dog who loved you!!' Literally every single 'organic', 'free range', 'holistic', 'humane' and 'small scale' farmed animal being sent to the slaughterhouse: 'Yeah, shocking ain't it?'
As a vegan climate activist the thing that frustrates me the most is when I speak to other environmentalists and they are willing to do EVERYTHING ELSE to save the planet except for giving up meat and dairy. Ughhhh
@@sujohnR So true!! I was recently talking to a climate VC and he was saying "If you feel bad about eating a steak, go offset that emission". In my head I was thinking why do you need to have that steak in the first place??
I think people like to tell others what they should do but aren't willing to make sacrifices themselves. A lot of people in the climate debate want the government to solve the problem or expect corporations to reduce their emissions but aren't themselves willing to make more sustainable choices.
@@tivanleak1372 Totally and this is part of my mission - to dispel environmentalists' cognitive dissonance around eating meat and encourage them to give up meat and dairy. I've been in the same room as so many other environmentalists and climate activists, many of which are saying "You do not need to go vegan to save the planet. We need systemic change." That's like saying "You can continue to waste plastic and drive a gas car so long as the government doesn't put a ban on it." Knowing the right thing to do, but not doing it, is pure hypocrisy.
@@georgewashingtom6516 both apply google it if you wanna learn but Omnivore is probably better in activism it sounds less aggressive. Carnivore is different than carnist Also I know i used to be an omnivore but I have been vegan before watching this vid so it's interesting to consider how I would have reacted had i seen this 4 years ago
A few years back I had a “vegan awakening” and ended up writing a brutal horror novel called Tamer Animals with a dire message. It ended up getting a lot of attention so I hope I made some people think.. keep it up Ed! You’re amazing.
I have yet to come across a logical, rational and critically thought out argument against veganism which cannot be debunked in two seconds flat. Religion, taste, culture, tradition, personal choice….you name it. What baffles me the most is that they attempt to defend their cognitive dissonance against a movement that is about compassion and love for all living creatures. It’s mind-boggling that they would oppose humanity in its purest form. The worst part is that I have encountered humans that fight me tooth and nail while vehemently defending their heinous treatment of our fellow earthlings. It’s maddening, sad and deflating but we cannot stop. We will never stop.
Well, there are people out there who say that basically we're constrained by our legal systems and that eating anything that is legally allowed is fine because they deny the moral imperative of doing onto others as you would do onto yourself. While those people are borderline (or even actual) sociopaths, it's logical. They would eat human meat too if, say, our societies sold the meat of executed criminals or something. Pretty terrifying, but logically consistent
It's just because people haven't thought about it enough. The topic is not a matter of argumentation, it's just a preference, or lack thereof. If you dislike and don't care for eating chocolate, there's no argument that can change your state. Same way, there is no argument to make one start or stop caring about animals. So the only sound excuse to be or not to be vegan is wanting to or not wanting to. It doesn't get deeper than that.
@@Limemill "I don't care" arguments are not quite as logical as they appear from my experience. If someone only cares for themselves, then it's in their interest to reduce novel viruses, improve the environment and often physical health etc. Social consequences also, such as reducing dehumanisation (if an animals life is valued, then yours will always be) etc.
You should of seen the argument I had the other day on RU-vid with a Christian. Who eventually started to insult me personally, thanks for your Christian peace and love lol. I recorded the conversation and put it on my channel
@@Vahni06 I mean the more meat you eat, the faster you will die of heart disease or something else. :v Also most people either dun care or reduce meat consumption. So overall vegan activism works.
Seems like plants have a position that can be disrespected, because of their lower level of coscience. So if rich people dreams more and better than poor ones, is it moral to eat poor people?If science, in a step of its progress, accept poor people have "trascurable" kpis than its ok, until i think, something different is discovered (it happens pretty frequently) .
I'm vegitarian and you have convinced me to be vegan. I grew up on a farm. Mainly cows and crops like peanuts cotton soy excetera. As a kid I would go with my dad to AI cows and Heifers. I would find it quite disturbing but eventually I became so desensitized to it because someone I trust was doing this so I thought it was fine. I even took interest in farming. When I was about 11 or 12 I showed a steer( a castrated bull) at county beef expos and festivals. They judged the steers based on the meat they could produce based on there build and size and heifers based on how well they would reproduce. I took care of Big Iron for over 6 months before showing. I halter broke him, fed him, groomed him for show. The reason I wanted to show cows is because my older cousin did and I looked up to her so we showed together. After doing about thre shows and winning grandchampion and reserve grandchampion places with Big Iron he was sold to a slaughter house. That when the first seeds to becoming vegitarian where planted. My family told me that was nature, and Big Iron didn't suffer. A few years later I started doing more research about meat industries and veggitarianism. After discovering your channel I've decided to become vegan. Thank you. Thank you for coming to my ted talk.
@@CptBumFlufff thx guys. It's nice to know there are people who are proud of me(besides myself) for my resent change. It's been hard because my family doesn't think highly of vegans, but I'm sticking by my decision and doing my best.
Happy to hear that! Thank you for making this choice, I know it can be difficult when people around you do not completely understand, so thank you for doing what is right despite this
Well some people might genuinely value a plant over their dog, think of a case where that wasn't an Aloe Vera plant but a bonsai tree which they spent their whole life cultivating and the dog as being almost at the end of it's natural life. Now i know this is a more unlikely scenario but does Ed's same logic still apply? The point is that the person is upset because they value the dog in his example more than the plant ... but what people value is entirely subjective and there is some weird people out there. Like the people who euthanized their dog. It doesn't prove anything, he just sets up an example to benefit his argument.
@@libertymedia8080 Yes there are even people who have an "intimate relationship" with their car. But I think the point was to point out the hypocrisy of omnivores, who justify their meat eating by saying "You vegan, you worse, because you eat plant". While they don't actually mean that because in the firefighter scenario they would definitely not want their aloe vera to be saved instead of their dog. It's just a cheap and overused "argument" they keep bringing up if they have nothing else in their brain. And the firefighter scenario is just a nice way of saying "Think before you speak, omni". I think what someone values based on money/time spent on it (bonsai) or personal pleasure/preference (e.g. some animal is more important because I find it cuter) has nothing to do with morality.
@@fishfeelpain7764 I do agree that the "plants are living things too tho" argument is pretty pointless. But the reason for that is that morality and what people value is subjective and not universal so will obviously differ, and i think that's the point Ed should have made. Truthfully though Ed as an activist is pushing his own view of morality in this video nothing more. To be clear he is entitled to do that i think he has an interesting perspective, but nothing in this video is proved or disproved logically.
@@pitoububble Yeah well kind of but that's my point. He critiques a bad arguments like "plants are living things too tho" by offering another bad argument which has the same flaw he was trying to criticize in the first place. Obviously i understand he was correctly pointing out how most people would behave if someone saved their plant over their dog, but it doesn't mean anything because it's not wrong in any objective sense. It's only right or wrong because of what the person subjectively valued.
It's amazing how feeble and shallow the arguments against veganism are and yet people make them with such confidence. It's frustrating that whenever someone debates a vegan, even though their terrible arguments will get destroyed they'll still come out on top in the court of the public opinion just because they are in the majority.
It is frustrating but it's not about winning the argument it's about planting a seed. Carnist often won't admit they are logically flawed but most of them know there's something not lining up and they ponder it more later
@@GoVeganForTheAnimal thats how i see it now, i dont try to win every arguement and turn everyone i meet vegan, i just plant seeds like "well we dont actually need to kill animals... blah blah"
@@Mikebigmike94 asking Socratic questions is more effective that stating facts. For example "does pleasure justify harming others?" question is what made me think and go vegan.
1. Thou shalt not kill 2. Adam and eve were vegan 3. Daniel fast 4. Passover includes tons of rituals that we no longer follow 5. Most religions don't even follow kosher rules 6. God's creatures are genetically modified from His creation and treated like objects. 7. Love thy neighbor? I'm not religious but here's some things I've picked up on
Rude to say God isn’t logical but difference of opinion. And either way, Allah says that we only take when we need. The prophet Muhammad peace be upon him very rarely ate meat and he advocated towards this by saying eating meat is a luxury, not an everyday meal. The prophet believed that meat was addicting like that of wine and told his followers to eat meat once every 40 days because the consumption of meat made the heart tough (causes a stroke). And tbh the only reason he told his followers to eat meat during that time because there wasn’t as many varieties back then that could sustain a healthy diet. I feel that all facts lead to a plant based diet in islam but many Muslims overlook it. I mean theres a reason why many meat is haram and why meat must be killed in a halal way to be palatable. The rules on eating meat is harsh because of the reason that meat shouldn’t be eaten so often.
@@missbrookes1143 Killing meat ? You mean killing animals. Also, Halal and Kosher are probably the most barbaric and painful ways to kill. But I do understand what you mean. Although in my POV, I'm not against people practising their religion unless it harms animals or humans. It's just that religious texts shouldn't be seen as the sole guiding principles and/or dogmatically on how to treat others. They were written in a different time. In today's context it's unnecessary to kill and abuse animals. Ultimately though; rationale > religion.
@@GoVeganForTheAnimal Nice list, sincerely. The problem is the use of "man's dominion over animals" in Genesis. Many (not all) of the religious only need one iteration of what they want to hear to discredit all of the lines they don't want to hear. Compare to the biblical justifications of lgbtq hate, justifications of witch killing, and support of slavery during the civil war time.
There are 3 types of people here: 1-Those who searched for this video 2-Those who got recommended this video 3-Thse who came here from the QR code in r/place
Any updates? Don’t stop exposing yourself to videos like this! Ed has some amazing debates on his RU-vid channel with people from different universities and colleges discussing different topics of veganism which I would highly recommend :)
Because people don't like to exit the confort zone, and prefer not to see, and hiding the head under the sand. Ed would deserv 5M subscribers in a perfect world.
@@sschreck08 You are a good person if you don't feel like your kids are receptive to the idea try activism with others in the meantime. sometimes you gotta plant the seed and let it flourish over time and give them some space. especially since kids don't listen as well to their momma's in some contexts it can be more challenging than convincing a random stranger lol
@@GoVeganForTheAnimal you're right; sometimes, family members are the hardest to convince. Right now, my son is battling cancer, and he is staying with me because he's too sick from the chemo treatments to be on his own. The things I see him eating make me cringe, but I don't feel that this is the right to drill plant-based into him. I have cooked some plant-based meals that he has liked, though, so it's a start.
The effective thing about Ed’s videos are the combination of logic/philosophy with the emotional appeal. Combining indisputable logical arguments with the images of what actually happens in slaughterhouses - doesn’t allow people to live with their ignorance.
Because there was a rather well organized effort from activists. I for one welcome it, there's been far too much attention given to the shitbag vegans even most vegans agree are shit like ThatVeganTeacher, it's about damn time something happens to give the Earthling Ed's some traction since they're actually well adjusted adults capable of making a good, respectful arguments instead of shitty purity testing everyone and hijacking everything to revolve around them
Seeing The Promised Neverland included in this video really made me smile. I've never actually commented on this channel before but I've been subscribed for a while now. And I would just like to say, thank you for everything that you do. Oh, and great video! 🌿🌱
@@c444drj veganism is the practice of avoiding animal exploitation where we reasonably can. If you're a minor living on your parents' dime, then it's not reasonable to expect you to be able to feed yourself a nutritious plant based diet aside from what is being prepared for you.
