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The Most Misleading Patterns in Mathematics | This is Why We Need Proofs 

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@zachstar
@zachstar 5 лет назад
Hey guys, at 4 minutes in I forgot to put limits on the integral. It's supposed to be the integral from 0 to infinity of those trig functions (just like that first integration we saw). My mistake!
@firelasto
@firelasto 5 лет назад
what about negative numbers ive been doing -17 and its not going to the loop
@qilinxue989
@qilinxue989 5 лет назад
@@tabainsiddiquee7611 1) One can apply number theory to prove it for certain types of numbers. For example, any number in the form of 2^n will work. Computation has confirmed every single number under 87 * 2^60. 2) I'm not *too* sure however the gcd equation seems like just a Diophantine equation where you have to find whole number solutions to an equation. Diophantine equations can be extremely extremely hard and many require a combination of applying advanced mathematical concepts like elliptic curves AND computation. You simply just can't check 1,2,3,4,5,6,7...
@HarshitKumar-lg1ol
@HarshitKumar-lg1ol 5 лет назад
@@qilinxue989 I think the second one can be solved by just expanding n+1 term
@DanteKG.
@DanteKG. 5 лет назад
@@JamecBond those algorithms were made by some very clever people. The chance for a mistake with computation is the same as if they done it by hand (even less so since most errors are human part). The computers just speed things up but the underlying logic is the same
@ffggddss
@ffggddss 5 лет назад
​@@JamecBond Yes! Computer confirmation of astronomical numbers of sucesses with no failures, is still no guarantee that a proposition is true. Any single computer-found counterexample, however, is 100% *disproof* of the conjecture. And that's one way that computers actually *can* be a valuable tool in such matters. Once you have any counterexample that you can verify, it doesn't matter one bit where it came from; the conjecture is proven to be false. And so, as you say, use of computers is no guarantee that a conjecture will be resolved. When it's false, but with its first counterexample being some extremely large number, there's no guarantee the computer will find it - if it goes humming along for ages without finding a counterexample, you've still got no resolution of the conjecture; just a growing suspicion, which, mathematically speaking, is worthless. Also as you say, even a computer-generated counterexample *still* needs to be checked!! All the foregoing is about a simple, brute-force approach; computer-generated formal proofs are another matter - e.g., the 4-color map conjecture. A proof was found in the affirmative, but it was so long that it had to be checked out by human mathematicians before it could be accepted. [The computer program that did this, was, after all, human-authored, and checking *it* for flaws was undoubtedly even more daunting than checking the computer-generated proof!] Fred
@TheDanielRagsdale
@TheDanielRagsdale 5 лет назад
I conjecture that all numbers are less than 10^100. I don’t have proof, but I’ve checked everything up to 10^99 and it seems to hold, so it must be true.
@nosuchthing8
@nosuchthing8 5 лет назад
Brilliant
@yaakovgrunsfeld
@yaakovgrunsfeld 5 лет назад
I checked up to 10^100 -1 it still held up
@einstin2
@einstin2 5 лет назад
I have an inductive proof of this: The above fact is trivially true for 1 Assume it is true for k. So we have that k < 10^100. We also know that 1 < 10^100. We have three possibilities. Either k+1 < 10^100, k+1 = 10^100, or k+1 > 10^100. As I am too tired to check all 10^100 numbers k, we can assume that it is true. QED
@cvspvr
@cvspvr 5 лет назад
@@einstin2 wat?
@fahimp3
@fahimp3 5 лет назад
@@einstin2 But that is not an inductive proof. (I know you're joking but still...)
@edgeisloveedgeislife5439
@edgeisloveedgeislife5439 5 лет назад
Well you're right we need proofs, that's why I have this really elegant proof for my theorem, however, this comment is too small to fit it in. - Fermat
@Blaxethehedgehog
@Blaxethehedgehog 4 года назад
Shouldn't call it the little theorem then eh?
@thewhizkid3937
@thewhizkid3937 4 года назад
^ has anyone ever looked at Fermat's last theorem
@giladkay3761
@giladkay3761 2 года назад
Numberphile has a great video about it
@danielchin1259
@danielchin1259 5 лет назад
Statisticians: p < 0.05 is good for me. MajorPrep: All is lost
@aniksamiurrahman6365
@aniksamiurrahman6365 4 года назад
Damm, my data science pride is hurt.
@furgel7717
@furgel7717 4 года назад
Quantum physics: 5 sigma (which is like 99.99998) Chemists: 2 sigma take it or leave it
@mariobros7834
@mariobros7834 4 года назад
@@furgel7717 engineers: pi = 3
@florianwicher
@florianwicher 4 года назад
If p
@doctorlarry2273
@doctorlarry2273 4 года назад
@@mariobros7834 For engineers with a slide rule, pi=22/7
@7616lydeth
@7616lydeth 5 лет назад
2:31 If u travel to the top of the paper stack at the speed of light, it would take you no time at all, because your time stops! *puts sunglasses on
@ericy1817
@ericy1817 5 лет назад
However, he was talking about an outside frame of reference.
@papaclanc
@papaclanc 5 лет назад
@@ericy1817 *takes off Chen's glasses and stomps them into the dirt! lol
@cvspvr
@cvspvr 5 лет назад
@@papaclanc **Chen is able to make a new pair of sunglasses out of nothing but rice and his supreme t-shirt cause Chinese parents disown their kids if they have an IQ under 370**
@KuraIthys
@KuraIthys 5 лет назад
@@cvspvr Given how IQ scores are formulated in most tests, that would be impossible. So I guess chinese parents ALWAYS disown their children then. Explains a lot.
@cvspvr
@cvspvr 5 лет назад
@@KuraIthys some Chinese kids are smart enough to make warp the literal fabric of the universe and make the IQ test work for them!
@altuber99_athlete
@altuber99_athlete 5 лет назад
This is why in math you have to prove *everything* before generalizing it. And now it should be clear that theorems in math are necessary (many students think they're useless)
@JorgetePanete
@JorgetePanete 5 лет назад
useless*
@bonenintomatensaus
@bonenintomatensaus 5 лет назад
That's because most students just want to pass the test and are not actually interested in mathematics.
@cabra500
@cabra500 5 лет назад
Ryan Tandy It is very important that students know how to prove certain relations. There are many techniques involved in proving mathematical statements that students must know. In physics, proving, or deducting, an equation is even more important than knowing that particular equation. Students must know how to use what they learned in mathematics to prove things, if they don't, then there's no point in teaching then more elaborate subjects of math.
@altuber99_athlete
@altuber99_athlete 5 лет назад
@Ryan Tandy I agree with you. 👍
@cabra500
@cabra500 5 лет назад
Ryan Tandy I agree
@gghelis
@gghelis 4 года назад
Wait, if it takes so long to travel along that stacked paper, then who stacked that paper in the first place?
@vincentcarl9907
@vincentcarl9907 3 года назад
He knows too much.....
@chillbro1010
@chillbro1010 2 года назад
Lift the paper up and put new sheets on the bottom. Assuming you can always lift it, technically the stack of paper would propagate in a compression wave at the speed of sound (which is also the speed of touch/push) meaning since the speed of sound through wood (paper) is around 4,000m/s and the speed of light is 300,000,000 m/s you would have to wait around 75,000 times longer than the length of time mentioned in the video for the act of lifting the paper to travel all the way through the paper to the top. --- Technically you could stack the entire paper at the speed of light compressing the paper, as the paper de-compresses at the speed of sound you could travel at light speed to the end of the stack of paper, then wait 74,999 times the amount of time it took to get there while you wait for the paper stack to fully de-compress and reach you.
@macysondheim
@macysondheim Год назад
No.
@Necronpharia
@Necronpharia 5 лет назад
Not often do I come across a maths channel that I like instantly. Today's one of these days
@TJonLongIsland
@TJonLongIsland 5 лет назад
When you don't include rules of how a question is to be answered, all answers which satisfy the requirements in the question are correct. Thus, the answer to your opening question is not 31 - rather one possible solution of many is 31.
@haroldbustamante5030
@haroldbustamante5030 4 года назад
This is what I did to "cheat" in my final exam of vectorial calculus. One question asked us to derive the area of an elipse, and they made a suggestion: "you can use green's theorem to solve it" All i did was mere integral calculus.
@matheusd.rodrigues429
@matheusd.rodrigues429 4 года назад
another answer is simply "Not enough data"
@Kieiros
@Kieiros 4 года назад
I mean, here's a simple mathematical pattern for 1,2,4,8,16,30: 1!=1 has one factor, 2!=2 has two factors, 3!=6 has four factors, 4!=24 has eight factors, 5!=120 has sixteen factors, but 6!=720 has thirty factors.
@entropyzero5588
@entropyzero5588 4 года назад
How about 33? The sequence then is the zeroes of the following polynomial: x^6 - 64 x^5 + 1333 x^4 - 11470 x^3 + 42904 x^2 - 66496 x + 33792 You can make _any_ number fit _any_ given set of numbers with the question "What comes next?" - it's why I find these sort of question pretty pointless to begin with...
@kittysplode
@kittysplode 3 года назад
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@octaviapopescu7864
@octaviapopescu7864 5 лет назад
MajorPrep, I just want to thank you so much man! I started following you about a year ago ( 11th grade ) . I am from Romania and because of you I decided I wanted to major in EEE. Now I got accepted by 4 Universities in the UK. Wish you the best, you truly have inspired me to choose this career! Cheers
@zachstar
@zachstar 5 лет назад
Thanks so much for the comment! Means a lot and really hope the channel continues to help :). Best of luck with the major!
@DanteKG.
@DanteKG. 5 лет назад
I dont know why but this comment was so satisfying to read... We need more people to go into science and technology
@anishnehete
@anishnehete 5 лет назад
@@DanteKG. agreed
@anishnehete
@anishnehete 5 лет назад
@@zachstar bro even u have inspired me to do aerospace engineer,but the seats here in India are limited (for good colleges). You have told me the similarities between mechanical and aerospace and other fields and after watching 20-30 of your vids i finally know what to do in life.thanks for showing me a way👌. Hope u be successful in life.
@alexmackay7454
@alexmackay7454 5 лет назад
Which universities accepted you?
@stevenvanhulle7242
@stevenvanhulle7242 4 года назад
03:30 You forgot to say that the numbers are the MAXIMUM number of regions. From n=6 you can get fewer regions depending on their location on the disc's rim. Point in case: if you nudge the lower point in the n=6 case a bit to the right, you can make the smaller center triangle disappear, and have only 30 regions. (You also have only 30 regions if the points are evenly distributed around the rim.)
@bgmarshall
@bgmarshall Год назад
Yeah. I made a desmos graph for this problem a while ago and ran into that problem (all points were equally far away since that's just simplest to do if I don't want to manually move points) and when I counted by hand I was getting the wrong numbers, very sad
@zfloyd1627
@zfloyd1627 4 года назад
You: *picks any number* Collatz conjecture: I am inevitable
@samiraperi467
@samiraperi467 4 года назад
14000605
@mysticdragonex815
@mysticdragonex815 3 года назад
I have made the proof of the Collatz Conjecture but I don't know where and how to publish it.
@vibaj16
@vibaj16 2 года назад
@@mysticdragonex815 I really doubt that
@antman7673
@antman7673 2 года назад
@@mysticdragonex815 And I just found a new theory for physics…I am currently in my first semester. Possibly not enough technical knowledge to find a new theory.
@chumestrysunshine1428
@chumestrysunshine1428 2 года назад
@@mysticdragonex815 just post on youtube
@glennsymmons5486
@glennsymmons5486 5 лет назад
I'm a graphic designer/writer and for the most part, the furthest thing from a mathematician. However, this pissed me off beyond belief. Thanks for that!
@harjitsingh7308
@harjitsingh7308 5 лет назад
I'm a graphic designer but I've also studied applied mathematics. I still struggle with maths sometiems............
@RetroGamingClashOfClans
@RetroGamingClashOfClans 4 года назад
a better and general way of representing the collatz conjecture would is "Show that picking any positive integer if you apply those rules it always reaches a number that is a power of 2 so, the number can be represnted by 2^x where x is a positive whole number." because if it reaches a power of 2 , repeatedly dividing it by 2 will eventually land you at 1 inevitably.
@pravatyadav3623
@pravatyadav3623 5 лет назад
So thats why maths exams are filled with proof questions... interesting
@JorgetePanete
@JorgetePanete 5 лет назад
that's* you put an extra space after why
@maxmustermann609
@maxmustermann609 5 лет назад
OT: great game
@polokratos8366
@polokratos8366 5 лет назад
Simon WoodburyForget Well... I, for once, saw a full mathematical proof that 1+1=2, so....
@polokratos8366
@polokratos8366 5 лет назад
@@SimonWoodburyForget It is.
@benji272
@benji272 5 лет назад
@@JorgetePanete cool, no one cares.
@Hamstermoviespro
@Hamstermoviespro 5 лет назад
_Vietnam-like flashbacks to series and sequences_
@alkankondo89
@alkankondo89 5 лет назад
This was an EXCELLENT video! It really underscores the importance of not jumping to conclusions too soon in math. And, haha, your expression at 2:28 mirrored mine at that moment! My question is: how in the world do mathematicians discover these breaks-in-pattern at these astronomically large numbers??? Crazy!
@nebelwaffel8174
@nebelwaffel8174 5 лет назад
Well, usually you can break it down to much smaller numbers, if you find the underlaying patern. And we often have short notations for big products and so on. If you stop thinking numerically and start thinking symbolic, you can prove things in minutes, that computers would need years for calculation. In this case, 37! looks harmless, but is actually bigger than 10^34. Thats why programming on the university is 40% maths and not learning new programming languages.
@Megaranator
@Megaranator 4 года назад
what happens is that they find out why it breaks and the and then from there figure out something that breaks it.
@shen144
@shen144 3 года назад
How do we know that it breaks after 10^43 terms? Why not 10^43 + 6 terms?
@gigantycznejabko9362
@gigantycznejabko9362 2 года назад
Computer science.
@macysondheim
@macysondheim Год назад
No
@EebstertheGreat
@EebstertheGreat 5 лет назад
I'm surprised Skewe's Number never made an appearance. Sometimes the first counterexample even in a pattern that arises naturally can be extremely large.
@rosiefay7283
@rosiefay7283 5 лет назад
2:26 3:59 This is a bit of a cheat because the integrals continue to have the value $\pi/2$ so long as the denominators sum to less than 2. It's straightforward to show that the harmonic series 1+1/2+1/3+... diverges. It just takes more terms if you use 1+1/101+1/201+... If you're interested: Borwein sinc integrals.
@rickzegooene2193
@rickzegooene2193 3 года назад
Wow thanks for this. I thought something was fishy about that.
@masontdoyle
@masontdoyle 5 лет назад
Love your recent math videos! Keep up the good content!
@dylandejonge5069
@dylandejonge5069 4 года назад
4:21 Zach: the answer = pi/2 - 2,31*10^-11. Other engineers: no aproximation, wait that’s illegal.
@moumous87
@moumous87 5 лет назад
Very happy I’ve discovered this channel! You explain things really well!
@canadiannuclearman
@canadiannuclearman 4 года назад
One of my favs is the expansion of (X-1)(X-2)(X-3)(X-4)(X-5) as you can see you get a poly to the 5th power. But if you let X=1,2,3,4 or 5 You get zero. Once you let X=6 it does not equal zero. So you cant make assumptions.
@macysondheim
@macysondheim Год назад
I can do whatever I want…
@egwenealvereiscool7726
@egwenealvereiscool7726 11 месяцев назад
This trivial because n degree polynomials have
@HeyKevinYT
@HeyKevinYT 5 лет назад
At the beginning I guessed 31 from 3Blue1Brown and then you said “exactly” I was like Ok
@spacetimemalleable7718
@spacetimemalleable7718 5 лет назад
One of the best videos on Mathematics I've seen. Just mind blowing & motivating.
@mathaha2922
@mathaha2922 5 лет назад
Great video, especially all the specific examples. Keep up the good work!
@marksw5499
@marksw5499 5 лет назад
Love your videos. They've been helpful and give a good overview of the STEM subjects, though may I suggest you do videos on Data Science. It's currently one of the biggest trends now.
@ChristianPerrotta
@ChristianPerrotta 5 лет назад
I was looking for a video like this my whole life! Thank you!
@DrunkenUFOPilot
@DrunkenUFOPilot 5 лет назад
Ah, this gives me hope! A long time ago, I set out to find the next even prime number. We know about 2. But are there more? Can we be so sure? So I applied for a grant, and another, and asked for donations from naive people. I couldn't get grants or donations from smart people. They just laughed and called me stupid! Stupid, my foot! I tell you, just because the first hundred prime numbers from 3 onward are all odd, doesn't mean you can jump to wild conclusions! I kept pleading my case for more research, for more budget, but they laughed. They LAUGHED! Well, they laughed when I came out with my new line of chocolate teapots. Okay, I admit that business failed. It was kinda silly. Never mind that. And then they laughed when I came out with a peanut butter based mouthwash! They said it couldn't be done! So I said, give it a try, gargle some of this antibacterial minty fresh peanut butter. But... all they did was laugh. So brainwashed into conformity, sad. And back when water parks were popular all over the country, I came out with a sandpaper park. Again, they laughed! THEY LAUGHED!! Well, we'll see who has the last laugh... if those misleading patterns as described in this video exist, then, ladies and gentlemen, we know nothing! We *MUST* continue the research to search for the NEXT EVEN PRIME NUMBER!! [dramatically pounds fist on table] [mental note: always carefully look for and remove any thumbtacks from a table before making dramatic gestures involving it.]
@delta3244
@delta3244 4 года назад
Even numbers are divisible by 2 by definition. Ha.
@marcushendriksen8415
@marcushendriksen8415 4 года назад
A true visionary, you are.
@petartodorovic5477
@petartodorovic5477 4 года назад
@@delta3244 Don't you get the joke?
@delta3244
@delta3244 4 года назад
@@petartodorovic5477 and here I thought 'ha.' would be enough to communicate sarcasm, especially in light of the OP talking about how people laugh at them.
@Catman_321
@Catman_321 2 года назад
I hope this is a joke lol
@oshotz
@oshotz 5 лет назад
0:12 Uh, no, it’s 23. What’s the pattern? Sum up all of the previous *digits*, then add 1.
@waso
@waso 5 лет назад
Sry but its 30... Its the number of divisors in n!
@danielariza7923
@danielariza7923 4 года назад
Brancy10 but that equals to 32
@coopergates9680
@coopergates9680 4 года назад
@@danielariza7923 Brancy was right. 1+2+4+8+1+6 +1 (seven instead of sixteen)
@pratikmanurkar9421
@pratikmanurkar9421 4 года назад
@@danielariza7923 sum of all previous digits not numbers
@tumak1
@tumak1 5 лет назад
Great to watch...should be shown in every high school class. Thanks. Cheers
@nikhilnagaria2672
@nikhilnagaria2672 2 года назад
0:09 I remember studying it in my book (grade 9 book) under the chapter "Proofs in Mathematics", and it was used as an example to demonstrate why proofs are necessary. Though my teacher never focussed on it, because it was an additional chapter.
@MrBauchnabbel
@MrBauchnabbel 5 лет назад
Man, thanks for telling me about Borwein-Borwein integrals. Made me happy to be a mathematician.
@PuzzleQodec
@PuzzleQodec 5 лет назад
Nice examples. Thank you!
@a.sanaie2460
@a.sanaie2460 4 года назад
Good job Zach. Thanks for sharing!
@Chris-pv6zw
@Chris-pv6zw 5 лет назад
I legit answered 31 at the start, i knew 32 would be too obvious from the title.
@Chris-pv6zw
@Chris-pv6zw 5 лет назад
I did it differently: I said T1 + T2 + T3 + 1 = 8, then T2 + T3 + T4 + 2 = 16, then T3+ T4 + T5 + 3 = 31, so basically it's Tn + Tn+1 + Tn+2 + n = Tn+3, I realised it doesn't work after T6
@StevePlaysBanjo
@StevePlaysBanjo 3 года назад
Love this video. Makes the elegant point that if you don’t know the algorithm, you can’t make assumptions.
@andycopeland7051
@andycopeland7051 2 года назад
That's a great video man I'd love to see more examples of this
@Tepalus
@Tepalus 2 года назад
The beginning of the video has a beauty to itself. Veritasium just made a video about 3x+1 where he said we are at 10^68, and in your video, 2 years earlier, we were at 10^18. Just nice to see the progress.
@akshayuppala9295
@akshayuppala9295 5 лет назад
Statement: "Mathematicians need proof before they believe anything" Proof: This video References: 6:26
@Cardgames4children
@Cardgames4children 5 лет назад
It is truely fascinating. It's things like these that I find really mystical about math. Indeed, why should such an integral fail after *that* many terms? It is far too easy to stumble upon patterns and simply will them away as fact. I admit, I do that myself too lol.
@factsverse9957
@factsverse9957 4 года назад
The shortened form of the "polynomial" is nC4 + nC2 + 1.
@ashtonsmith1730
@ashtonsmith1730 3 года назад
n⁴+n²+1?
@nikhilnagaria2672
@nikhilnagaria2672 2 года назад
@@ashtonsmith1730 no
@alansmithee419
@alansmithee419 4 года назад
0:14 I got it right, but only because I expected some bs and guessed correctly, not because I found the pattern.
@SM-qk7jv
@SM-qk7jv 5 лет назад
Great video. Thank you.
@callumrhodes
@callumrhodes 5 лет назад
Hi great video! I have my own interesting case of a hidden gotcha from university. Me (maths degree) and my friend (Computer Science Degree) had a shared course in the first year. We were given a problem to explore using programming. It was to find the simplest way to calculate the power of a number. On first inspection it seems like for a number x^b you just multiply x by itself b times. But if you consider an index of the for b=2^k the answer can be found by continually squaring your last answer. In fact we only need to consider the indices of the base as x^s * x^t = x^(s+t). The problem can be rewritten as a sequence of summations of indices: a_0=1 a_1=a_0 + a_0 ... a_i = a_j + a_k, where j
@heidtb6746
@heidtb6746 5 лет назад
So you are saying, that a_i can use ANY of the a_n before, as long as j and k are smaller than i? Lets say a_580 = a_3 + a_376
@callumrhodes
@callumrhodes 5 лет назад
@@heidtb6746 Yep. However my friend was using the case where he'd always use the last result along with one of the other indices, i.e. a_530 = a_529 + a_376. Both are horrendous search problems however his choices grew linearly as his list grew and mine grew quadratically as my list grew.
@x78340
@x78340 5 лет назад
Very very interesting dude! Great content :)
@michaeledwardharris
@michaeledwardharris Год назад
That was really excellent, as always!
@adwokatdbl5861
@adwokatdbl5861 4 года назад
6:03 How the hell can ANYONE assume this will produce prime number? As I remember didn't Euler assume that? Even a newbie can see if we apply 41 we have 41*41 + 41 + 41 = 41 * k wtf
@gghelis
@gghelis 4 года назад
Pretty sure Euler just provided an example that produces 40 primes in a row. Except it was n*n - n + 41
@gregoryfenn1462
@gregoryfenn1462 4 года назад
I think one of my uni-entry exams had this question for 2 marks, so many people skipped it because it seemed way too hard and not work only 2 marks.
@bobbun9630
@bobbun9630 2 года назад
More generally, suppose you have a polynomial f(x) of degree >= 1 where the constant term (call it "c") is not zero or one. Then an x can be factored out of all the x containing terms, restating the polynomial as f(x) = xg(x) + c. From this expression, it's obvious that the polynomial evaluated at x must have a factor other than one or f(x) any time that x = c, so the polynomial will not evaluate to a prime in that case.
@HorribleGBlob
@HorribleGBlob 2 года назад
It’s not hard to see that, for *any* polynomial p, the set of values {p(n) : n a positive integer} cannot be a subset of the primes, by an extension of this argument: WLOG p’s largest power term has a positive coefficient; now for large enough N, p(N) > 1 (since it goes to infinity as x goes to infinity), so then p(x+N) is a polynomial in x with constant term c>1, so p(kc+N) is divisible by c for all k, and for large enough k, p(kc+N)>c, so p(kc+N) is composite.
@HorribleGBlob
@HorribleGBlob 2 года назад
(You have to be a bit more careful with your argument: what if g(c)=0 and c is prime?)
@fraktallyfractals2083
@fraktallyfractals2083 5 лет назад
2:28 such a mood hahahaha
@azmanmatamin9020
@azmanmatamin9020 5 лет назад
A female in math video? So rare
@MarkMcDaniel
@MarkMcDaniel 5 лет назад
Your trig integrals that supposedly equal pi over two are missing bounds.
@zachstar
@zachstar 5 лет назад
Thanks for catching that! Pinned a comment to acknowledge the mistake.
@rahulradhakrishnan5619
@rahulradhakrishnan5619 5 лет назад
I'm not a math major, so can I ask why do these "patterns" break down at such high values? It seems strange.
@travisheck5979
@travisheck5979 5 лет назад
There is no general answer for them all. Each one is case dependent. You would have to work through the specific mathematics of each one to understand why for each individual case.
@punkkap
@punkkap 5 лет назад
I think the answer _lies_ in some higher level symmetries we are yet not fully aware of. Symmetries like the 4 21 polytope.
@tscoffey1
@tscoffey1 5 лет назад
Because humans see patterns where none may really exist.
@khoavo5758
@khoavo5758 5 лет назад
Same reason why pi = 3,14159... there is absolutely no reason why something isn't true. Reasoning can only explain why true things are true, and even that is not technically true.
@angelmendez-rivera351
@angelmendez-rivera351 5 лет назад
That’s a silly question, because there is no such a thing as patterns breaking down. It’s more like we are often just wrong about what the pattern is.
@ominollo
@ominollo 3 года назад
Cool Video! What do you have on your desk? A levitating globe?
@IIIIIawesIIIII
@IIIIIawesIIIII 5 лет назад
That was a nice video, thank you!
@lifeisawesome1391
@lifeisawesome1391 5 лет назад
You really put that number in perspective
@MrRyanroberson1
@MrRyanroberson1 5 лет назад
The collatz conjecture is best solved in base 4. similarly in base 10, multiplying by 9 and everything will 2-cycle, as 1->0->1, 3->8->3, 5->6->5, 7->4->7, 9->2->9, if the rule is still to divide by 2 then we get that 1->5, 3->1, 5->3, 7->1, 9->1, but all of which over-all grew. in base 4, we get the final digits 0,1,2,3: 0 can divide by 4, 1 *3 +1 = 4n, and divides by 4. 2 divides by 2. 3 *3 +1 = 2n, divides by two, and needs more work. here we see all digits but 3 necessarily shrink, and we only need prove that all 4n+3 eventually get smaller, even slightly, since it will either get to 4n, 4n+1, 4n+2, or a smaller 4n+3, and therefore converge.
@whydontiknowthat
@whydontiknowthat 2 года назад
Real talk I completely forgot your name used to be MajorPrep. I love the name Zach Star so much more!
@sundars5278
@sundars5278 4 года назад
Hey zach i love the way you teach on you tube. 😍😍😍😍😍😍
@jonathonvoegtli4699
@jonathonvoegtli4699 5 лет назад
Would the equation for the problem at 0:50 seconds look something like N x 300% +1/n = (50%) y Given n is the starting number and y is the number of evens you could divide. Then you could solve algebraically to get some not whole number that could potentially be in a different repeating loop with itself?
@ernestboston7707
@ernestboston7707 5 лет назад
Using CorelDRAW, I played with several symmetrically placed dots on the circle, and get a result of 30 for n=6. Moving one of the dots away from symmetry creates the 31st region in the middle.
@SpaghettiToaster
@SpaghettiToaster 5 лет назад
Region of zero siize still count as long as they are inscribed by at least three lines.
@ernestboston7707
@ernestboston7707 5 лет назад
SpaghettiToaster what?!?!? That doesn't sound correct. It doesn't count as a region if its merely an intersection.
@Quantris
@Quantris 5 лет назад
Good observation. The formula given in the video is about counting the *maximum possible* number of regions. As you found, in general you need to break symmetry to avoid having any 3 lines intersecting in a single point in order to achieve the maximum.
@SpaghettiToaster
@SpaghettiToaster 5 лет назад
@@ernestboston7707 If it's inscribed by three or more lines, it's a region, whose area is determined by the position of the dots. Symmetrical arrangement is just a special case where the area is zero. The formula county all polygons inside the circle, not all that have an area.
@fortuna19
@fortuna19 5 лет назад
SpaghettiToaster you’re telling me you can have a polygon with an area of zero...
@michaelsaenz380
@michaelsaenz380 5 лет назад
I just changed my major to math :) so hyped up
@RomanNumural9
@RomanNumural9 5 лет назад
Have fun in analysis!
@radiotv624
@radiotv624 5 лет назад
This is such a good video!
@bugsman1
@bugsman1 4 года назад
Love your content bro
@yaakovgrunsfeld
@yaakovgrunsfeld 5 лет назад
I feel I bit too proud for knowing the 31
@aliasgeranees8893
@aliasgeranees8893 5 лет назад
Why don't a lot of people watch ur good content???!!!! this stuff is so awesome...
@zachstar
@zachstar 5 лет назад
Thank you!
@azmanmatamin9020
@azmanmatamin9020 5 лет назад
Because people will be called nerd by society if they watch math video and like math . It's a shame how hypocrite society is
@rishiraje
@rishiraje 2 года назад
In general, similar integrals have value π / 2 whenever the numbers 3, 5, 7… are replaced by positive real numbers such that the sum of their reciprocals is less than 1. That is the general formula
@Lovuschka
@Lovuschka 4 года назад
What if the solution at the beginning is 7? That would be the pattern of "Double if single digit, otherwise add the sum of the digits". So it would be 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 7, 14, 5, 10, 1 (repeating)
@ztveng
@ztveng 5 лет назад
Great examples
@dt28469
@dt28469 5 лет назад
@ 3:37 Its only 32 regions because they're not drawing the dots symmetrically. If you look at the triangle region marked by the 3 lines formed from each pair of OPPOSITE dots (the smallest triangle in the center of the circle) , you'll notice that that "triangle" would dissapear if the dots were equally distributed. = 32 regions
@davethesid8960
@davethesid8960 3 года назад
Now you may call it bias just because I love maths, but this channel honestly deserves way more subs!
@GreenFesh
@GreenFesh 5 лет назад
Hey, I was just wondering if for one of these proofs with the misleading patterns you could try to apply mathematical induction as a proof. I always felt a little suspicious of this proof-method for some reason. Would you be able to detect an error even if the first off-pattern-number would be like 10^43 digits away? Would be interested on a video on this topic!
@1495978707
@1495978707 5 лет назад
When you have a product of sines in an integral, you can always use complex exponentials to get it in terms of sines and/or cosines, just with varying frequencies. sin(x) = (exp(ix) - exp(-ix))/(2i), cos(x) = (exp(ix) + exp(-ix))/2. This follows from exp(ix) = cos(x) + i*sin(x). Once you have a sum of sines and cosines instead of a product of sines, the integral is trivial. This would take a decent amount of work even for the integral with 15 terms, but it'd be nice to see how it works out.
@1495978707
@1495978707 5 лет назад
I forgot about the 1/x terms. For that, use "differentiation under the integral sign" aka "parametric differentiation". So it's not so trivial anymore lol. It would go something like this m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-s1zhYD4x6mY.html But way shittier
@renerpho
@renerpho 2 года назад
4:40 If you replace (17, 9) by (23, 6) then the string of 1's gets WAAAAAY longer. How do we know? Well, one can construct polynomial equations that list the counterexamples, and both the degree and the coefficients of those polynomials tend to get very large.
@lidarman2
@lidarman2 5 лет назад
Good video with good examples. Proofs are almost life and death when it comes to encryption.
@projectjt3149
@projectjt3149 5 лет назад
FYI, the Collatz Conjecture is such a mystery they had to use BOINC to do research on it.
@magicmulder
@magicmulder 2 года назад
Collatz is super easy but my proof doesn’t fit in this tweet.
@FaranAiki
@FaranAiki 2 года назад
@magicmulder, this is a reply, not a tweet.
@magicmulder
@magicmulder 2 года назад
@@FaranAiki That was the joke. ;)
@FaranAiki
@FaranAiki 2 года назад
@magicmulder, that was not the joke, that was a tweet.
@FaranAiki
@FaranAiki 2 года назад
@magicmulder, do not worry, Fermat is happy about that.
@paulogeracao683
@paulogeracao683 2 года назад
Just saw the movie you talked about here, never knew about Ramanujan sad but inspiring story. He was clearly a genius who thought outside the box.
@KimAlexisG
@KimAlexisG 5 лет назад
I just had to double check your math on that stack of 10^43 papers. Yup, got about 7,7 trillions. Cool ^^
@ang5798
@ang5798 3 года назад
Love it how we all need to study proof, logic, statistical rules Its like saying "before you can work in the field, you need to know the laws of the land" and it's really necessary, even in natural sciences
@vboserajang
@vboserajang 5 лет назад
Polynomial is outing prime for lower n values because probability of finding prime is more in lower number. However when values gets higher its difficult to Find prime which can be related to log function
@gat0tsu
@gat0tsu 8 месяцев назад
thanks for the video
@richardbloemenkamp8532
@richardbloemenkamp8532 4 года назад
The correct answer to the "1,2,4,8,16 what comes next question" is: "it depends". And this would be true for any finite sequence of numbers. I thought correctly that he would ask 31 because of a previous YT video I saw.
@roguelegend4945
@roguelegend4945 Год назад
somewhere in the zero area are reminders... because before you count 1 apple, before it was 1 it was a plant growing from a seed and giving out a flower to get to 1 apple all the process before it was 1 apple it was zero...
@jaydeepvipradas8606
@jaydeepvipradas8606 5 лет назад
1. It becomes algorithm when we divide number by 2 if it's even; and multiply by 3 then add 1 if it's odd. Any number even multiple of 4, who is not multiple of 3, will yield 1. For odd number, we are pushing it to even number; and if result is even multiple of 3 or odd multiple of 4, it will eventually yield odd. So eventually we are taking out even multiples of 3 and pushing number to even multiple of 4, which finally gets us 1. There are some even number which are common, multiple of 4 and also even multiple of 3, these yield odd. 2. For circle dots, number of regions is reduced because after 4 dots, while connecting dots, some regions may not get intersected. Placement of dots may affect number of regions. I think, if even multiple of 4, if that multiple number is also multiple of 3, then we get odd eventually, or else 1.
@brandonn6099
@brandonn6099 2 года назад
2:21 I am confused. The extra term here should approach 1. So you're multiplying by 1. How does the value change the more terms of 1 you add?
@luck3949
@luck3949 5 лет назад
Mind-blowing. I am applied math master student. I thought that in any practical scenario you never need to check statements beyond N approximately 100.
@atwertsdfgsdfaasdfa
@atwertsdfgsdfaasdfa 5 лет назад
Lmao that's why you're in APPLIED math
@Isaiah_McIntosh
@Isaiah_McIntosh 4 года назад
@@atwertsdfgsdfaasdfa DAMN BRO BURN.... meanwhile I want to study mathematical finance.......
@atwertsdfgsdfaasdfa
@atwertsdfgsdfaasdfa 4 года назад
@@Isaiah_McIntosh nothin wrong with going for those easy As bro
@Isaiah_McIntosh
@Isaiah_McIntosh 4 года назад
@@atwertsdfgsdfaasdfa undergrad will still be a math major....... There are problems with going for easy a's though. I know it's a joke. I did sociology, economics and...... Literature for the last 2 years at a levels. Unless forced to I am not going to touch those subjects again even if they were easy subjects. It wasted time and youthful vigor. Now I gotta catch up on maths before uni. I would've probably done econ as my major if not for an older friend who warned me that financial engineering is really a statistician and in uni I should take all the difficult maths classes I can. At masters I guess I will basically be considered a narrow applied mathematician with less precision and a bit more computer science though lol. I need to vent that sorry.
@atwertsdfgsdfaasdfa
@atwertsdfgsdfaasdfa 4 года назад
@@Isaiah_McIntosh I'd say go full stats or comp sci. Those will get you into the financial world just as well. If your goal is to learn, you don't want to water down your degree
@federicovolpe3389
@federicovolpe3389 4 года назад
That first integral is a special case of the integral of sinc(t)*sinc(a1*t)*...sinc(an*t). As long as a1+a2+...an
@infundere
@infundere 5 лет назад
That would be the induction method and that is why it is said that it is not a true logical method. Thank you Major prep!
@noninvasive_rectal_probe8990
@noninvasive_rectal_probe8990 2 года назад
Are these findings sufficient to warrant discarding inductive reasoning for numbers? Cus it seems that in the realm of insanely big numbers usual symmetries cease to exist. What is your opinion on this?
@SpaghettiToaster
@SpaghettiToaster 5 лет назад
To go one step further, the proofs also need to be understandable and make sense so it can be verified. This is why many computer-generated proofs aren't considered proofs and why IUTT still isn't really accepted.
@mjones207
@mjones207 5 лет назад
As soon as I saw the title, "Misleading Patterns," and saw, "1, 2, 4, 8, 16, ?" I immediately thought of the _3blue1brown_ episode, "A Curious Pattern Indeed," and thought you must be going for 31. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-84hEmGHw3J8.html
@DrunkenUFOPilot
@DrunkenUFOPilot 5 лет назад
Wow! I did not know about that sine integral, same result until getting up to around 10^43 - that is weird! I mean, WEIRD!! Great animation and explanation. This should convince anyone not to jump to conclusions about Goldbach, Collatz, or the Riemann Hypothesis, or any other such thing, no matter how many cases have been tried numerically on computers, even if tried in an airtight way to ridiculously huge values.
@juan401191
@juan401191 4 года назад
My next question would be at which point do these equations go from breaking and not following, to going back to working. Just cause it doesn't follow it once doesn't mean it wont follow again?
@talastra
@talastra 24 дня назад
There's also the problem in Euclid's (proposition 1???), that if you draw two intersecting circles, they don't actually intersect.
@msclrhd
@msclrhd 5 лет назад
With the Colatz conjecture, the interesting numbers are the odd numbers. This is because an even number will always reduce to an odd number that is smaller than itself -- n/2 < n. The next number for an odd number n is 3n+1 from the rules of the Colatz conjecture, which is guaranteed to be an even number. That even number will be divided k times for some value of k such that it reduces to an odd number, so the even number is reducible by 2^k. Therefore, the next odd number in the chain is (3n+1)/(2^k). The pairs of odd numbers (n, (3n+1)/2^k) are (1, 1), (3, 5), (5, 1), (7, 11), (9, 7), etc. Therefore, a different way of stating the Colatz conjecture is that (1, 1) is the only loop in the graph of odd numbers. Another interesting thing is to look at the values of k for each odd number (i.e. how many times you need to divide 3n+1 to get the next odd number). That sequence is: 2, 1, 4, 1, 2, 1, 3, 1, 2, 1, 6, .... I have tested this upto n=599 and every other value of k is 1. That is, k=1 for the numbers 4x-1 (3, 7, 11, 15, ...). I'm not sure why this is the case, nor if there are any other patterns. It would be interesting to see what patterns there are in these k values and how they relate to (n, (3n+1)/2^k). A result of this is that the numbers where k=1 will increase (as (3n+1)/2 > n), while those with k>1 will decrease (as (3n+1)/4
@shadowatom
@shadowatom 5 лет назад
One thing I've found about that's been interesting is if you take an odd number n that converges to an odd number x, then 4n+1 will also converge to x. A simple proof of this is to assume n is odd. Let's assume C(n) is a function that gives out the odd number n converges to after going through the Collatz function. Allow C(n) = x. Now we can consider C(4n+1) by applying the Colltaz function to 4n+1: 3(4n+1)+1 = 12n + 4 = 4(3n + 1) As we can see, 4n+1 gives us 2^2(3n+1). The 2^2 will be erased following the remainder of the Collatz function, which means we're left with 3n+1 which is the same input for n; therefore, n and 4n+1 converge to the same odd value chain.
@msclrhd
@msclrhd 5 лет назад
@@shadowatom That's very interesting. Starting with n=1, using your 4n+1 formula to each resulting number you get the sequence [1, 5, 21, 85, 341, 1365, ...]. This is the every other power of 2 sequence I note above. This can easily be proved from your reasoning as each time you are increasing the number by a multiple of 4. The next sequence starts with n=3 giving [3, 13, 53, 213, 853, ...]. Mapping those to the next Colatz number (3n+1) and finding the number of times k that 2 divides the number before it becomes odd again gives k values of [1, 3, 5, 7, ...]. This looks like the sequence of odd numbers, but I don't have a proof for this. A similar thing happens with n=7 giving [7, 29, 117, 469, ...] and k values [1, 3, 5, 7, ...]. For n=9 the sequence is [9, 37, 149, 597, ...] with even k values like for n=1. The n=11 and n=15 k value sequences also look to be odd. I don't have proofs for these, nor a general pattern. I'm also wondering if there are any other formulas like 4n+1 that yield similar results, and if there are any patterns in those that can be proved.
@cigmorfil4101
@cigmorfil4101 5 лет назад
If the odd number is 4n-1 then this goes to: 3×(4n-1) + 1 = 12n -3 + 1 = 12n -2 = 2 (6n-1) 6n-1 is odd as 6n = 2(3n) is even. Thus you can only divide this by 2 once before an odd number is reached. Thus you can only divide 3x+1 where x is of the form 4n-1 (= 4m+3) once by 2.
@chimmychonga4795
@chimmychonga4795 5 лет назад
There's a running joke in my Geo class, if there's something we don't understand, we say it's because of Segment Addition Postulate. It's way more funnier in person.
@theespatier4456
@theespatier4456 5 лет назад
Chimmy Chonga Segment... addition... postulate... hey, I know addition!
@roninlviaquez
@roninlviaquez 5 лет назад
Chimmy Chonga AA
@danielgautreau161
@danielgautreau161 2 года назад
In the movie The Man Who Knew Infinity there is an exchange between Ramanujan and Hardy that few would understand. R. thought li(x)2 but Littlewood had proven there are infinitely many positive integers n for which li(n)>pi(n) and also infinitely many with li(n)pi(n) for some n
@lynettemojica6503
@lynettemojica6503 5 лет назад
I didn't think proofs were that important a few semesters ago. I used to say "you don't have to prove it to me, I believe you".
@GodzillaFreak
@GodzillaFreak 5 лет назад
For the first problem are you able to use non whole numbers?
@Guztav1337
@Guztav1337 5 лет назад
The rule is that n has to be odd or even. So whole numbers only obviously.
@SharifulIslam-iu7bx
@SharifulIslam-iu7bx 5 лет назад
Thanks
@akhileshmachiraju1521
@akhileshmachiraju1521 5 лет назад
People often forget the basic thing about "Continuity" before defining the Function.
@bradensorensen966
@bradensorensen966 11 месяцев назад
I’m pretty sure the reason 6 points make 31 segments instead of 32 has to do with how obtuse the angles of polygons with 6+ sides become. A triangle starts with an average of the acute 60, squares are perfect 90, pentagon 108. Then when we get to double the triangle at 120 with the hexagon it just breaks and we stop getting segments in powers of two.
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