It's 1,799, and cheaper than a Hoyt carbon. Not much more expensive than a Mathew's (which are expensive to set up), and they aren't carbon. It's a top of the line bow, with a price tag less than some of the others. So yeah. It's remarkable.
@@hitmanhartman1394 It’s a $2000 bow because of the US labor costs and high end material that went into making the hand-laid carbon fiber riser. This bow is not for everyone. It’s for those who want a high end bow that is unique and exclusive.
Damn. I've been out of archery for like 7 years now just getting back in. Back then hoyts carbon bows, bare bow were 1200, and 1349. Mathews halons were 950 bare. The Mathews monster always been 2k. But pse flag ships were all about 900 to 1k. Dream season, full throttle. Ill be getting a new bow soon, just have a entry mainline for now. As I sold my halon 6 back then. A lot has changed, even their websites. Seems like each company has less models, they don't seem to be posting MSRP. Which is fine. I heard pse was bought so, idk if they still do proline and mainline, or just one? Been a bit disappointed to see some equipment I liked discontinued.
my fifteen year old carbon High Country Triple S with perf-x cam comes in at 3.6 lbs all set up. that sight on the PSE probably cost more than my whole hunting rig.
You'd be surprised at how much the modern bows have improved in 15 years. Honestly, it's worth heading to a bow shop just to try some of the new flagships out, even if you don't walk out the door with one.
6:26 Reword that phrase. Change it to. Revolutionary, in Bows shorter than 33" or more. Previously, what we traded away, in a lightweight, smaller package bow, was some stability and accuracy. As you said, the larger Target Bows, at 40 inches and more, with 7 and 8 inch brace heights, and more, brought in increased stability and increased accuracy. So traditionally, the 34 or 35 inch bow is the compromise between the Target accuracy 40inch bow, and the Lightweight, small package 30 inch hunting bow. But what your testing with this bow shows, is that the company has gone back to the drawing board, diagnosed those weaknesses on the shorter bow, identified areas where they can remove instability, or, areas where they can increase stability, and compensate. And the final package, is a new design, that is able to do, at 30 inches in lightweight carbon fiber, compete with longer Bows, and perhaps outperform them. In accuracy at range. And just like with a backpacking rifle, there is demand for an accurate package, that is lightweight and maneuverable. But yeah. Change the phrase. Don't say "it should not be able to do this". Say something like "revolutionary in compact, lightweight hunting Bows. 30 inch carbon fiber, outperforming 34 and 3t inch Bows" IMHO
It's chill they keep coming out with new stuff every year. I'll stick with my 2014 Bear Attitude though. I used it in an in house tournament at a local range this past weekend (1st tourney ever) and shot 305 out of 360. Only the to 3 got placed and at least 1st/2nd were 328 so i don't feel that bad about my score. I was also using cheap Vital Impact arrows from Sportsman's.
Bow technology really hasn’t changed that much. Not really faster at all or more smooth than the older bows just a little quieter and dead in the hand and a little more stable
Well done with the article and review! Do the pros have any comments on how one bow actually shot worse with stabilizers? Those results for the evolve on day two are pretty surprising and I’m hoping it was explored a little more. Cheers!
@AntonyKarolis house and a bow are two totally different things, one you need, the other is nice to have. But to play along on another dumb question.... my house I bought 21 years ago for 145,000 the appraisal value is 210,000 so that's a 69% increase. Now one of my custom bows I bought 15 years ago for around 400 is now selling for about 1200...... three times as much. And a top of the line compound, bought 30 years ago was about 200 and came with a quiver, sight, rest , and arrows .... now go look and see what they bring. And like I said, a home is pretty much a need, a bow is not. Anymore questions?
Very interesting with regards to dynamic brace height and even brace height in general. I don't know exactly what my Hoyt Defiant 30 does, but it is a pretty good bow. But sometimes I feel that my short leverbow, Monsterbows Phoenix, actually can feel more stable than the Hoyt at full draw - probably because it has a pretty big brace height plus the dynamic brace height is probably a bit longer at full draw, because of the flex in the limbs. I look forwarf to my comming new leverbow, Monsterbows Dragon / Honey Creek Archery Swarm. It is pretty much the same as my Monsterbows Phoenix, short leverbow - just a longer version.
The thing is, every bow that PJ stands in front of a camera with,is awesome. In My opinion he is not a credible source in terms of reviews. Not one time have I ever heard him utter the phrase, ' what I don't like about this bow. '
Are these as dead in hand and vibe free as the Hoyt carbon? Does it come close to Mathews lift? I've stayed away from PSE carbon due to how loud they used to be and how it felt in my hand at the shot. Love the 90% letoff for hunting and the design is starting to get much nicer looking. I shot PSE bows for a long time and still have one as a backup so Im happy to see they are back on top again
Gotta say I was worried about the new ownership but since this one and the others came out it’s clear pse is gonna try to dominate going forward and who wins the customers! 🤘🏻
I am still using my Hoyt Razortec I ordered 20 years ago! 32" axle to axle, witha 6.5" Brace height. I have Robinhood so many arrows at 20yds that I absolutely never shoot more than a single arrow at a time at a single target. So I stopped doing groups at 20yds long ago, 30yds my bow will group 1 to 2". I thought about replacing with a new Hoyt or PSE, my 2 favorite brands, but that itch never got strong enough. I did waste my money on a $1300 TenPoint crossbow that I never used 10 years ago that's sitting in my game room, brand spanking new.
I took the plunge and bought one. Pricy, pricy, pricy. My groups were not as good as PJ’s, until I made this change - stabilizers. This bow come alive with both a front and side stabilizer.
I wouldn’t be surprised here in the near future…..these hunting bows would perform just as good, or better than the norm of “ Target “ bows 👍🙏 that would be awesome, and the best of both worlds👍🏹🏹🏹
Been trying to explain what you are calling “dynamic brace height” to many people claiming that reflex measurements matter. I’ll have to use that term now instead of calling it horizontal tangent point travel. I’d say that the majority of archers with an internet voice do not understand any of this or why it matters.
I think the main difference between our review and others is that we tested all the flagships head to head with multiple archers and tested them for accuracy. The data ultimately decides the winner and this year in particular it was a landslide.
Most all older bows actually feature this technology where the “dynamic brace height” at full draw is longer than the brace height at rest. However some bows for example I’ll just say it, Mathews hunting bows, actually have a shorter “dynamic brace height” than the actual brace height. This is due to limb and cam design. The reason for this stability is the moment arm length “dynamic brace height” that the string tension has to resist torque around the axis of the grip. Not a new concept at all . I personally don’t like the idea of calling it dynamic. It’s not dynamics it’s still statics. Just statics at full draw. Dynamics would be how the bow reacts upon release. It’s not the riser reflex that hurts stability as many are trying to make us believe based upon their theories. If these archery “experts” could draw a simple free body diagram or do basic statics they would understand archery a lot more and wouldn’t parrot their undeveloped theories. I still cringe every time I see a bow review where riser reflex is measured and that measurement is the basis of a stability claim.
@@theingobeck4772 It takes us nerds that understand archery and basic physics to push the industry in the right direction and to get past the marketing and influencer bullshit that seems to be plaguing the industry right now. Lots of guys with a lot of good information they are sharing but an equal amount of bullshit being parroted. In my opinion the number one completely false claim being made is that reflex measurement can be used to compare the full draw stability of different bows. In reality there is only one measurement that can be taken at full draw that matters and that is the length of the moment arm resisting torque. A simple measurement to take with a straight edge and ruler at full draw. But instead we will just keep hearing people say a bow should be demerited because it has reflex riser geometry. The worst is seeing people discuss where to take a reflex measurement and why their measurement point is the rightful one. The easiest way to throw a wrench in their thinking is to say what if the limb pocket is longer, or what about a Bowtech Commander. It blows their brain up and throws all their false theories out the window. Just because everyone repeats a theory enough doesn’t make it true and unfortunately that’s where the archery industry is at. Took us nerds to convince the world that it’s not flat.
Absolutely. A big ol crock O snot. Draw force curves tell the tale every time. The bows they sell today are less shootable and no more efficient or fast than 15 years ago. If it weren't for the ignorance of youth bow manufacturers would be closing their doors or cutting prices back by 2/3rds at least.
I’m new to archery, is some kind of special technique to point your bow towards the sky at an extreme angle while drawing back an arrow as demonstrated in the video?
pretty sure thats considered taboo. Im not an experienced bloke like that guy by any means. i just know that it usually means the poundage is too high.
I read the full article, noticed a few different stabilizers were used. Was there a consensus on stabilizer for the Mach 30 from the group? From video it seems it was the Frankenstein stab… I’m having issues quieting mine down
The Era wins in the post shot category. It's 100% dead after the shot, which makes it very fun to shoot. But, the Mach 30 DS wins in the accuracy and forgiveness category. It holds on target better than anything we've tested to date.
When you buy a $2k rifle/shotgun it appreciates, you can hand it down to your kids and grandkids.... keeps appreciating. When you buy a $2k bow, its worth $500 in 2 years and nobody wants it. $2k for a bare bow that people will consider "obsolete" or "less lethal" next year is just, well, stupid. I always have 2 compounds. I've bow hunted since I was 12 in 1991 (Bear whitetail 2 lol). Hunted 3 to 4 states since 1999. So I have one Flagship (Currently V3X) and I also have a mid-level backup bow (Bowtech Zion) in case something happens and I'm nowhere near my press etc. I don't go nuts like a lot of guys. About every 5-7yrs I'll get a new one. I hunt all of October with traditional gear, killed last years PA buck with a 1970s 55# Bear Grizzly recurve. Last yr OH buck was w the Zion. I've killed bucks with almost every brand, from every era. I've had at least 20 bows in last 33 yrs. I hunt enough to justify the costs. But its just not worth it anymore. Bow technology made huge jumps from 2007-2017 +/-. But now we're paying all this $$ for something maybe 1% better than last year. The V3 was my last flagship. You guys/gals just starting, most of todays mid-level stuff was Flagship technology just a few years ago. So buy a solid mid-level bow. Spend the money on solid components, the best arrows and heads you can afford, then shoot it.... a LOT. Use that extra money to pay for taxidermy and hot sticks.
The Era wins in the post shot category. It's 100% dead after the shot, which makes it very fun to shoot. But, the Mach 30 DS wins in the accuracy and forgiveness category. It holds on target better than anything we've tested to date.
PJ uses increasing tension to activate his shot. That tension in his body has to go somewhere and it results in a follow through. The arrow is LONG GONE by the time his body reacts
The Era has less vibration and smoother draw. It's an incredibly fun bow to shoot and was very accurate. It also has the Elite features we like: 1/4" draw adjustment and SET. But, for performance, accuracy, ease of holding on target, lightness, and forgiveness the Mach 30 DS is the way to go.
Compound bows are great for power and accuracy. Perfect for weekend hunters. If you truly need to survive, you can’t fix it without a professional bow shop and special equipment. Go traditional.
Not true at all I can disassemble and reassemble my compound in the field without a press. I shoot traditional as well and while it is fun, it is like getting out of my new pickup and into a horse and buggy and making a 300 mile trip. You will still get where you’re going. But not anytime soon.
Absolutely hilarious to see "adult men" falling into the Marketing Rabbit Hole. This really explains a lot about the " Purpose of Life" topic & what the future looks like.
I can think of many great bows that arnt 2000 bucks it's overpriced for what it is just being honest it looks like a great bow but that price tag is jus crazy I'd rather get a tried an Tru mathews/Martin hoyt or elite
We backed it off to make it equal to the other bows in the test. The one we had to work with was a 70-pound model and all others were 60-pound bows. Me, personally, I shoot it better at 70 pounds than at 60.
Hi BJ how it goin like the bow but I got ask there someone on here that could possible donate me left hand bow I m sorry feel like free loader but I got every thing I had stolen frome couple weeks ago they might not meant much thet all come from pawn shop they were ether to short or little long on draw length I'm pooran but that beside the point I really appreciate someone help me I don't have money go buy any more I'm left hand 28 half draw length 60 pds 70pds ether one ty
If you're going to shoot 60# then buy a 60# bow. The bow shoots best at its max draw weight. I hate it when people shoot their bow and then let the top of the bow roll forward. When you shoot a bow the bow should want to jump forward out of your hand. Your always pushing the bow with hand thats holding it and pulling with the other hand. If you do it right then there will be no top of the bow rolling forward.
Well if your shop doesn't act like most shops...rude and unhelpful, I'll stop by. But, if your clerks like Kinsey's, is to lazy to get off the @'s'ses;s then I'll recognized that I just went for another drive and chalk it up as a scenic trip
Switched to hoyt in the 90s great bows shit company. Watched them rob vendor after vender finally just was done. Never buy a hoyt. Sadly a lot of the competition is being bought out by foreigners
@@coryedd3783 I'd sooner have an honest review. Around here. The archery shops don't carry a lot of stock to try out stuff but they will order it if you want one.
As a millennial who has been told repeatedly that I am a snowflake.... WTF is this shit!? No bro, get a REAL bow. For real I go to the archery range with my friend regularly. I bring a recurve, he brings a longbow he made himself. We stand about 100ft from the targets and spend a good couple hours there, while laughing and shaking our heads at the crossfit bros who show up with their fancy compound bows like these, get a bullseye from 20ft away, take their goddamn selfie with their bullseye and leave. Shooting blanks in more ways than one.
An Ibo speed of 330fps from a $$$ carbon bow, plus 6' bh is a PATHETIC FAILURE!!! That bow should have 80lb limbs... a 5.75 inch bh and should shoot 355 to 360 fps.... No thanks ill keep my 15yo Mathews XLR8 that shoots 360 fps !!!
