The Most Toxic Person In The Workplace - by Simon Sinek 

No. I quit my job, but I would stay there just for my boss. 👍

Yep, or else they quit environments where the workers don't even matter, and the 'leaders' can barely trust _each other._

@@kobe3576 Me, too. My boss is a tough-as-nails man who has never backed down from anything. But he had tears in his eyes for a full half hour when I met with him about probably having to move on. Although he highly values me as a person and as an employee, my role is not valued by the organization at large.

I worked at the same company for 28 years. My bosses were almost always good to excellent. I got an a'hole once and requested a transfer, right about the time that shift group went to pieces. With 90 days left to retirement, I pulled the plug early because they brought in an a'hole who forced my good boss to become insufferable. Sorry to leave my good boss hanging, but I was unwilling to jump through all the hoops that were being demanded and unprepared to start being insubordinate. Hasta la pasta.

Absolutely correct. I work for an absolute ass-hat, and he is the sole reason I'm working to be out of the door at the first opportunity.

I've done the exact same thing. I even moved continents as I think it's throughout the society I was in. I now am in an extremely independent role doing a job I really really like. Much lower pay, the quality of my life has risen, at a minimum, a thousandfold. Toxicity is rewarded in most places in the west.

Please help me understand

​@@mahmad838 Because people usually gang up on the high performer. Most people are trash and tend to get jealous over things that are irrelevant. They will work together to sabotage the high performer so that they can put themselves on top.

Unfortunately that's true. those people are usually the first ones to leave

​@@mahmad838 Hi M Ahmad, My interpretation of the comment was that good people who you can trust will usually not be able to handle being in a toxic environment with a toxic boss and will have left way before the company as a whole realizes there is a problem. If they didn't take care of their people it might be too late. New good people will spot everything right away and not stay.

@@mikidou99 Yes! This is the correct meaning of Zach Engel’s comment. Thank you.

anybody will believe anything on the internet - buffet

@@RoseUnseen He actually did say that....

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Too bad so many people are so bad at telling who is who..

@@RoseUnseen lmao

Working for yourself is the only way to get ahead and make the best use of your efforts.

Guess what I’ve just done? I’ve resigned and I’m feeling better already

@@abbaszaidi8371 🥳

@@abbaszaidi8371 Congrats on a fresh new start.

Exactly.

Scarily enough, the place I worked previously actually got some great natural leaders through the door... and within a short time got them to leave again. It's like they head-hunted these people to come in and get results but then got scared when they weren't sycophants who were prepared to compromise themselves simply to flatter the insecure CEO. How on earth that place is still running I have no idea...

@@Rendell001 change is constant.

@@matthewstewart5113 You could say that... It caused the death of my line manager. In the office.

@@Rendell001 I would suggest getting into contact with a counselor to talk about this situation of yours. It seems to be on your mind . Good day sir.

@@matthewstewart5113 I am going through a very similar experience at this time. I am being harassed just because I pointed that their performance evaluation approach is incorrect. Moreover, the leader that we are dealing with takes the entire credit and blames the opportunity areas towards the team.

Thank you very much for sharing your experience. Very insightful

One of the greatest lessons I learned to be a good leader is to tell someone "I don't know. Let's go figure it out together so then we'll both know".

I worked with two people like that when I worked at a company supporting the US Navy, one was lazy and the other one was incompetent but they got ahead kissing our manager's butt

I think it's amore about the boss's values and skills as a leader rather than being new. But in some cases new bosses tend to feel unsecure around the old guard which translates in a passive aggressive behavior and toxicity

Same here. I work as a registered nurse in Sweden. It’s really easy to get a job since there’s a really big lack of nurses here. Wrong person got hired. She completely ruined the workplace. Me and another nurse resigned. Both managers resigned and the occupational therapist resigned. Good bye workplace.

I resigned three days ago because of my asshole manager

@@Cubemusic I hope you find a better place soon.

@@literarycharacters I hope you find a better place soon as well.

@@halfbee7886 That’s very kind of you ;) Being a registered medical nurse in Sweden, it’s really really easy to find a new job. So of course I settled with a new employment as I resigned :)

@Ten too people that trust the untrustworthy only do so because they have been deceived. Honest people can unfortnately be distrusted because some can't handle the truth they speak, so they aren't popular or liked and in turn not trusted. Also, honest people tend to be ethical so they would choose to be more loyal to their principles or an institution than to an other. Goes against our nature to trust somebody who's loyalties lie elsewhere.

@Ten too idk about all that, maybe it's true but definitely interesting.

Thanks for your comment, Jordan Peterson touches on this issue here ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-EdwdhBfqDL8.html the size of the organization plays a big role as well

Thanks for your comment and for sharing your experience.

Suckups get promoter, good workers don't.

This is what he's talking about when he says there's no metric in measuring who is the asshole. Everyone on the team knows who is the asshole. And team knows because the team isn't important to the asshole, so there's no reason for him to treat them well. The boss is someone he can get something from and so he will suck up to the boos. And the boss won't be the wiser that this person is the problem.

"Weakness at the top results in rubble at the bottom" what a great quote. pretty much sums it up. Thanks for your comment

No doubt. though in fairness, IT has never been a field that's famous for 'social skills' to begin with.

That’s were a scrum master steps in and ensures she/he creates a healthy environment or any leader who understand the affects on an unhealthy environment. But, this is tough when bureaucracy gets in the way.

Not restricted to the IT industry

@@Lozzie74 Nobody said it was, although 'defensiveness' is never a good start in any field.

@@matonmongo Endemic means limited/prevalent in a specific region, location etc

omg yes. ty

@@themonotropicguitarist I have worked for at least 3 of them. Not fun!!

That is a narcissist you describe here.

Well done you. Also, best explanation for a toxic work environment I've ever seen

I’ve learnt that it doesn’t matter if you don’t outshine them or let them have their ways.. what matters to them the most is that there is someone around that knows they are full of shit or stupid or doing something wrong and their weak self esteem cannot handle it 😉

@@Allyzaff No, a very meaningless suburb of Detroit. I think Pete would be interesting to work for. I don't see much narcissism in that guy.

@@wsm-4839 Unfortunately they often get a string of subordinates fired before mgmt wises up. That's the sad part.

@Jamie Smith So, what did you learn?

alpha are actually very toxic anywhere ,

@@Q_QQ_Q omg read the comment

Agreed thank you for including both genders too

• Star Master • - 🙂

In this case... High performance/ Low trust = Alpha Low performance/ low trust = Beta Low performance/ High trust = Theta High performance/ High trust = Omega

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Yeah, that's pretty much the issue, how can trust be objectively measured ?

@@Excelsiorr this hit home, our "performer" (read a-hole) is in a high profit, vital production position. literally color coded. Green = good, red = fail, trained chimp stuff. easily measured, low skill 10 units = 10 $$. he struts on his ivory tower as untouchable. causes disorder from his way of "doing stuff" I'm the trouble shooter, diagnostics and "go to guy" when things get complex. I bring in business from other companies not able to handle certain jobs, and usually get results. but it's a small percentage of gross. my victories are quickly forgotten, and too technical to even explain to management, they just see results. saving grace, i love my work, high satisfaction and variety, while he hates his life, boring tedium, treadmill dead end.

Are there any trackable metrics that can determine trust?

@@4lfatir not that I've seen so far. A computer can calculate punctuality, profitability and so on... But it can't tell if you're the type of person who opens the door for other people, returns lost wallets exactly as they found them, would take someone to the airport for a red-eye flight, or give up their weekend to help a coworker move. It's a gut feeling type of thing. Unfortunately most supervisors don't lead with their guts, they lead by profit margins.

Sounds like a worthy thing to learn though.

true that

If "performance is being faked" then you have the wrong metrics measuring it... and thats on you or the people using the metrics.

@@avidadolares wqQQ

Underrated comment IMO

​@@avidadolares That's if you even use any metrics in the first place. I've worked at a company where a middle level boss bullshitted his higher ups that he was actually competent at something, but in reality he didn't know shit, was very unproductive and was terrible at working with people. In fact, he was one of the most disrespected people in the company. But hey, he bullshitted his boss so it all worked out good for him.

fling your dung against the wall?

@@joshcoker2509 Okay, now what?

@@jonathanalpart7812 take a photo?

😂

So relatable . Jordan Peterson touches on similar issues in the workplace here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-EdwdhBfqDL8.html

Thanks for the comment and the recommendation,. will definitely check it out

Damn, that's awful!

I mean. Sounds like despite his incompetence his strategy worked for selfish gain.

So why did you stay?

@@vik5796 lol no, I worked on another dependency, the guy was the boss of my friend who did quit

I don't understand. Surely it's not typical to go to lunch every day with your boss? What do you mean by 'go lunch by themselves'?

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Glassdoor does that already , but there is no point doing that boss rating : small companies are too small to have a meaningful meaning to that type of ratings . And big companies , well you will never see the CEO . . . unless you are close to the top and a vital employee already , and if you are that it means you understood it is not about liking your boss or not . It is about liking your job or not and improving your skills for it , if you like your job and improve yourself , aim to take the place of your boss ! But if you do not like that job do something else . Period . Because that " corporate working sucks " bullshit is getting old , nobody is forcing you to do a crappy work while you just wish to being rich without efforts to get a mansion and a Lamborghini . Either stop complaining , and work for success , or learn to love life in a different way by following a passion that does not pay much instead of money through something you hate . Of course it is always best to be great with a lucrative passion , but that is wishful thinking for many people .

@@vos8470 I like your mindset and idea alot better as opposed to being a little bitch 😂 well said 👍

@@tookkil7643 Thanks dude , just trying to share the experience i gathered from starting life being useless , ended working for huge companies and get huge salaries , but still got back in the streets and making it to the top again . Do not let yourself become as salty as these people saying the system is rigged , it is not ! They just do not want to reconsider their work ethics with their lazy whining , and refuse to understand how the system truly works : sure you can be the 0.0001% of humanity who become a millionaire with 0 talent whatsoever ( Kardashian for example ) , or you can try to become part of the % of Humanity who study / work / improve their craft by avoiding entitlement and learning to take their responsibilities . . . that second option is a much harder road for sure , but it works if you are willing to make the necessary sacrifices . Obtaining power imply thirst for it , and a mental able to make concessions . Not everyone are capable to do that and it is fine ! If you are not , just take life at it is : when i was in the streets i meet some people that were happier than most people i meet in $ billions companies , because money does not bring happiness automatically and it was a hard lesson for me to learn coming from the bottom where everything seems shiny and sweet at the top . Life can be complicated and hard to swallow regardless of your situation in the ladder .

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If only we could

well said, thanks for your comment

That's right, but I think the point is that Wall Street shouldn't behave that way anymore.

@@jonathanalpart7812 I agree. Although we've tried the individualistic way and we know that it can pay dividends but imagine the result wall street could create if they were in it together? I don't really like Wall Street but although they make lots of money they also have drug habits/addictions, they commit suicide, sex addictions etc. to cope with their high pressure lives which is actually probably not even a good way to make money. But if they could share the load, maybe they could be healthier which would lead them to better decisions especially longterm. Being high on coke or having a coworker commit suicide is not a productive work environment... I might have got off topic but it's just what I thought when I saw your comment 😏

Wake up, bro. Bernie Madoff provided great returns to investors. Don't con yourself into justifying low integrity. Wall Street has cronies to bail them out with OUR money. That, in no way means that low integrity is fine.

I think the biggest difference is. An investor can always change the company, therefore the short terms are more important. America can't just choose a different group than the Navy Seals.

Totally agree. thanks for the insightful comment.

Great comment!

ok but it is hard to teach c++ programming to a 37 years old bus driver even if he has a great personality and is an extremely likeable and smart guy. There is a minimum requirement of skills and experience and knowledge, I don t know what is exactly your field but for certain jobs : IT support, Developers, Quant Analysts etc...you cannot as a manager substitute university, experience etc...

That’s why people quiet quit. I for hope to AI take over the workplace and put an end to this garbage m.

@@gillmsnfillman1691 I think u commented on the wrong comment man. This doesn't apply even remotely to what has been said.

@@OudPlayerHBY You fail to understand a couple things. 1) a bus driver isn't inherently stupid. There isn't anything wrong with working to make ends meet. 2) obviously if someone does have a low IQ they're only qualified for certain levels of work. You can't expect someone with an 80 IQ to do math heavy skills like programming. 3) you make it sound like 37 is old and that old people can't learn anymore. 4) university teaches you a lot of useless crap too. For 2yrs I was learning history and english to learn business finance. If I was only learning career skills college could have easily been shorted down into 2yrs. Same goes for engineer majors. 5) people can learn skills outside of college. Certifications, licenses, boot camps, internships, as a side hobby. I'm not saying college is worthless, just saying that there are more than one way to skin a cat. A total self entitled twerp with a degree isn't the only option.

Thank you for your comment. Simon is very pertinent and insightful indeed.

I'm typically "fourth batter" whereever, as I am most likely to hit the grand slam that entices more department opportunities. Because of my conspicuous skills, I've never experienced an office promotion, but I do get paid at least double, sometimes three or four times, the industry average. Nowadays I work on a contract basis and haven't been without a job since 1989.

It's also a good amount of people you trust, putting bullshit in your head.

Totally agree. These people might be more suitable for individual projects that require high performance but not for a team project where managing other people and getting the best out of the whole team is a must to succeed

Honest people are NOT popular in the workplace! Tactful people ARE and they're not honest.

@@sciencewithskilldog1429 honest people will never be popular nor liked. They are often loners but have great few friends who are like them in character. You must be prepared to walk alone at times because truth will divide. Having skills to perform but lacking trust makes it difficult for one to belong. Be trustworthy and develop skills then make great teams in life.

@@racaciaruth4460 are you stalking me?? 😂

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@@7CFlo not always so!! Have you ever heard this : success follows you or better still people head hunt you because you're so good at what you do and people talk too. So the right leader will seek you out to be in his team. This leader will even hire for attitude rather than qualifications. I agree with you to some extent since the world system does exactly that ie, who you know... Connections etc but that's corrupt governance. Let's hope that we add value to colleagues , friends, family and community. Inspire on 💘.

Thanks for your comment and for sharing your experience

the main issue is how to measure trustworthiness. not sure if any organization has succeeded in doin this. Jordan Peterson explains in this video also that the bigger an organization gets, the hardest it becomes to keep its environment trustworthy: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-EdwdhBfqDL8.html

Thanks for your comment and for sharing your experience. Jordan Peterson touches on this issue in this video as well: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-EdwdhBfqDL8.html I'm sure resigning was the right thing to do

Sure ya did. No, really....we believe you.

ah noo, that was not the intention but thanks for pointing it out

@@Excelsiorr Not really an issue, just found it funny 😂👍

Toxic comment

I had a boss who basically told me, "It's okay if you don't know." That changed my life. I went from the unknown who just shows up, to the one everyone goes to. Because they know if I don't know, I'll just say so and refer them elsewhere. I now know why that is, When I say, "I don't know" they think "Okay, well neither do I, so it's good." But if I give a wrong answer, that's a break in trust.

And rich

It isn't about the owner it is about staff. I think this is an important distinction.

It's normal to encounter some inept jerks in life, but if practically all of them seem to be inept jerks, maybe its not them.

"The one constant in all your dysfunctional relationships is you."

Ah yes, the ol' Al Capone trick. They couldn't get him on murder, so they tried to destroy him for dodging his taxes.

What a dick hopefully you get a better opportunity soon

yes, the problem also is with the size of these organizations and companies. Jordan Peterson explains in this video also that the bigger an organization gets, the hardest it becomes to keep its environment trustworthy: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-EdwdhBfqDL8.html

THIS.

Your damn right, my experience totally, and I've come to that conclusion myself.

@@dinklehimerschlitz9111 There is many of us like that. Hope some good came out of your situation as it did mine. Its funny I sit back and watch the ones who were promoted get more work and added stress. Yea they make more money but sometimes its not always about the money.

@@robm2892 Yes, finally it boils down to "its just work" my personal time is more important.

I totally get what you are saying having been in a similar situation in my previous company. Corporate success and building a "Career" is not really worth it when you think about it

Thanks for your comment. I'd argue though that it resonates with people because most have been through similar situations where the work culture in their organization is not fair and does promote toxicity. It has nothing to do with how good a person is at what they do if there's lot of BS and politics that prevent their true worth from shining. At the end of the day, the problem is not with the individuals but with the organization as a whole and how incentives are structured. Thanks again for your comment

The best servant, serves best the people? Edit: the best leader is the one who serves best the people and the goal? That is the added goal of the leader: arrive - while having nurtured and not neglected the people or the team or the common good. Every leader should result in having left behind a more suitable leader than themselves. Of course, the difficult thing of a leader is to see everything the team is looking at, and all the other things added onto that - the future, environment, etc.. Blurb: the one who knows best how to serve the people is then the best choice for a leader, as well as having to know of course as a requirement what the goal is. There is then the difference that causes misleading for leaders: a leader both has to know best the goal and be inspired and true to that goal, as otherwise he goes astray and thereby all those who rely on his correct direction, fulfilling his responsibilities as a leader (individuals fulfill their responsibility just as the leader his, all looking to their own, and thus...), the leader is then aware both of his responsibility as a role (directing - and aware of the need for seeking counsel too, while of course having the final say as elected person) and his task of being a good leader to the team of people. So the best leader is the one who serves best the people as well as the goal. The distinction in the leader compared to the others in this, as all are able to do their best for both (people and the aim), is then the role of decision making. The leader is, if it were a team of ideal individuals, the one who for some reason is the one who gets the decision making and is followed by those who accept that leader. After all doesn't leadership inherently have to do with the people as well as the goal both, and rather than personally working, managing the work of others who are focused on the goal of their work, and the leader focused on the people in his charge and the grand overall goal and aim, thus directing well the people in their individual tasks as per their capacity and his knowledge of the path that the entire team is going on.

Damn right. Most people who want to be leaders (or think they are natural leaders) are people who simply get an ego rush from controlling people and things. And when it comes to long-term organizational health, that's a bad place to start.

do you work where I work ?

Simon Sinek is just great. Thanks for your comment

yeah, it seems also that the bigger the organization, the harder it gets to keep it clean and trustworthy. Jordan Peterson explains it perfectly here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-EdwdhBfqDL8.html

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I'm a high performance low trust type of person. Low trust meaning I'm very socially hobbled and awkward so going out to drinks with the buddies trying to build trust is just not in the cards for me. I worked with a man who understood this because he was the same way. He knew how to work with me and knew where to put me and because of it I thrived. We got a new manager who was looking for high performance and high trust and then later fired me because he said I wasn't a good fit. Ain't that some s***.

You may be right on this. However, do you, or does the organization, have the resources to monitor the 'insulated-person' from bleeding over toxicity to others - on or off the job? Probably not.

If you have to insulate the team from the person, is the person on the team? Or have you really been forced to create two teams? The intended team, and a team of one.

@@androssteague - Trust doesn't require going out for drinks. Shooting the bull doesn't necessarily build trust. However, being transparent and overcommunicating on work related matters is a must. The goal is a high-performing team. Help the team become high performing.

@@gibsongtr I did help the team become high performing. I just wasn't transparent or communicative. I I didn't know that these were things that you needed. I figured as long as you got the results that's all that mattered.

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They don't have your back. As soon as things get difficult, or they need to 'facilitate cost savings', they'll throw you under the bus. People need to realize just how expendable they are to these organizations. Even if you're 'adding value', if they don't believe it's the right sort of value, you're surplus to requirements. Don't get comfortable, and don't give your loyalty away to a company that demonstrates zero loyalty to you in return.

And explained so simply, very easy to understand.

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Excellent video....I always had a few simple rules in the work place ( locomotive engineer freight ) 1 I don't owe a liar the truth 2 do my job to the best of my ability 3 a. watch my back , I'll watch yours 3 b. tell me whats going on and I'll tell you 3 c. fuck me and........I'll let you figure that out !!! They all tie in to TRUST .

Thanks for sharing your experience

Yeah, epic moment :d

Real talk though Michael Scott was an amazing manager

@@tonykim5069 lmao yeh sure

@@danielbutler3150 he is right. Michael scranton branch was always out performing the others, so from the director's perspective, Michael was a great manager. Till the last dunder mifflin branch that was standing despite closures was scranton. There are many moments he proved to be a great boss, otherwise, he was trying tok hard in the others. But again, from a profit perspective, he was efficient

That's exactly it. Play to these people's strength and give them individual projects and targets, but never allow them to manage people

Exactly it. Play to these people's strength and give them individual projects and targets, but never allow them to manage people

Sorry, Simon is not here. Try in his channel (link in the description)

well a solution could be to play to this type of people's strength and give them individual projects and targets, but never allow them to manage people

thanks for the comment. the problem with the military on the other hand is that people cannot say no. Jordan Peterson touches on this here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-EdwdhBfqDL8.html

He is simply great. thanks for the comment

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Glad you enjoyed it

Couldn't agree more. From my observation "toxicity" is a label often thrown to outsiders in the work place, to the ones that put in the work and deliver fast, to the ones that are not joining 2 hour lunch breaks and after hours drinking.

@@MasteryOrder after they start hiring free interns and then provide "moral support", a person starts asking themselves if there's any humanity left in those kinds of people and what's the best way to detonate the whole thing

@@patrickespinoza If you ask me, it is a leadership problem. People in leading positions are unable to handle differences in team members and are unable to handle the friction that comes with these differences. The best teams that I worked with had team members that had more differences than similarities to one another. Based on this video everyone was "toxic" there, but the results were extremely good, because everyone knew how to argue and fight productively. It's a shame that this is the exception instead of the rule.

@@MasteryOrder I know what you mean. I've met some people that took everything said as an attack instead of discussion. And it was deceptive, because they were always yes men on the surface which made it look that everything was always fine, but nothing got discussed or decided.

@@MasteryOrder Yep. I'm the "toxic" one on my team at work because I bust my butt and know how to do the job efficiently. The ones who coast and take advantage see me as a threat.

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What could be a solution as you pointed out is to play to these people's strength and give them individual projects and targets, but never allow them to manage people. thanks for the comment

Great comment, thanks

@Ten too Don't know where you got the religious part from. It's human nature meaning if you had a group of people who don't know and wanted nothing to do with religion. You'd still get the same hierarchical/ status ranking from each other.

Thank you :)

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Very relatable indeed

pretty much the summary, thank you

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