The fact that she's literally a concerned mother pulling divine will out of her rear is even funnier. And even funnier than that? She is "try fingers but hole" incarnate, the answer to the prayer we've all been writing online all these years.
Not really left her on read, I think. More like something happened to her that disconnected her to The Greater Will. It's probably The Nox's fault as they scheme together with Bayle to assault Farum Azula
@@Ron_Jambo_I think it's because Metyr may be the god Placidusax is consort of. Since Farum Azula has some weird connections with gold and since Placidusax is explicitly stated to be an Elden Lord. Metyr was broken at one point, not the GW abandoning her. And The Nox also has that Fingerslayer Blade too. So they possibly worked together with Bayle, promising him to be the new lord. Using him as a distraction so they can wound Metyr
Shit thats a great analogy. Very lovecraft... they see these strange, giant, powerful beings descending from what would be the heavens from thier perspective but to us its just a bit of fishing on Tuesday.
@@jamiekeane471there's a literal story about an eldritch sphinx written by Lovecraft, he described it as a foul monstrosity and later revealed that it was just a paw of the real sphinx, the protagonist went crazy after seeing it. It's called "Imprisoned with pharaohs", btw
I like that, but I always assumed she’s the Meteor the Elden Beast arrives on. My first thought was palm readings, and how they can tell one’s fate or past. Besides gestures are probably how we spoke or interacted before spoken words, (so if the Hands were around during the time of Dragons, maybe it’s meaning has to do with dexterity and having digits to make things). The Elden Ring (to me) is a Kabbalah Tree of Life, and the Ring dictates the laws of the universe, life and death etc. Then you have Gnosticism where the Demiurge (Elden Beast) creates corporeal life/the physical world (however Ghostics believe we must escape from said corporeal world to return to the pleroma and Sophia where our spirits truely belong). I always thought the hands stood for the mind, communication/speech, intelligence and civilization. Without the fingers, we couldn’t communicate with the Greater Will, whose Beast IS the Elden Ring. I think that, not unlike messenger angels, the Greater Will wanted to be known and proselytize so it sent Metyr, a Meteor, to aid in this effort. What good is the laws of the universe, when you cannot dictate those who live in it? What good is ruling over the structure of life, if you cannot interact with those within it? You grab a helping hand to help bridge the communication gap between god and men. Having said that, I love the idea of the hand in a pond of water visual for communication.
I like how, when we defeat her, she doesnt just "turns into ash and vanishes". The microcosm teleports her, propably to where she came from. Nice touch
She actually does start to disintegrate into white light right before the microcosm collapses. It's almost like a black hole collapsing in on itself after she dies because she can't keep it stable anymore.
I'm pretty sure she just dies differently. Well, probably not even die, because when you use her head as a weapon, it kinda alludes to her still being alive, saying that whenever you use her special attack, it makes her angry that she is forced to bow down
@@hypnoticskull6342 Remembrance weapons aren't actually the body parts/weapons of the bosses. They're memories from the Erdtree given form, hence why they're always scaled to your character's size. Enia mentions something about it the first time you talk about remembrances.
For me it just sounds like an airplane flying overhead far up, everytime i hear it in a background video of her i always check if it is some airplane flying above or just the "music".
@@bondrewd5935it's described in the elden stars incantation that the elden beast arrived on a meteor. Metyr is described as coming to the lands between as a shooting star. My headcanon: Metyr is the meteor Elden Beast rode to the lands between on.
you know, many pieces of media replicated Lovecraft's work and descriptions in an attempt to create some scary monstrocities, only for those to end up looking kinda genric in an "another gross tentacle movie monster that doesn't really feel disturbing or induce the primal fear" way but FromSoft designs are perhaps the most accurate portrayal of the unknown, otherwordly and primally terrifying we really need a FromSoft game where you go around slaying eldritch horrors (another one!)
I think its because most things make eldritch things so alien and different to what we normally see that we just don't really get it, Fromsoft and a few of the other good designs always make sure to include something human or at least natural, which might cause your reaction to be more unnerved because those things shouldn't have those things.
The assumption here is that she was ever in communication with this "Greater Will" at all. She was willing to lie about communicating with it for who knows how long. Why would you expect that she was ever honest about this communication in the first place? She came to the Lands Between and started spreading her religion seemingly at first contact with the denizens of the land. She's an evangelist. Exactly the sort of figure Miyazaki has always treated with a great deal of skepticism.
Did the Greater Will know that Metyr was damaged and she couldn't conmunicate with them anymore? Was the Elden Beast like a second more successful attempt of a divine being sent by the Greater Will to the Lands Between to correct Metyr's errors in the golden order?
An interesting detail is how, amongst all the other similarities she has to the Elden Beast, both their tails reflect the trees of their respective lands. Metyr's tail is a dead ringer for the Scadutree. With two "trunks" wrapped around each other before splitting near the top. It's an interesting association for Metyr to have.
Based on descriptions in the game, the spiral is the symbol of the crucible and the spiral motif is seen in the Scadutree, Metyr's tail, Romina's tail, the tower of Belurat, and probably a couple other places.
The spiral is the best way to communicate with the gods. It's why the hornsent made the tower have spirals to better commune with the outer gods. So im guessing the spiral shape acts as an antenna.
What horrifies me is how the Fingers seem to be bursting out of her in places where they shouldn’t be popping out of… almost like she’s brimming with the things, riddled with countless ectopic pregnancies that she shouldn’t be having. Like her DNA, her very code, has gone completely haywire. Seems to me like Ymir was right.
She has been maimed by Fingerslaying Blade! That is the crime of Nox/Numen that made Greater Will so irate at them. They tried to kill his daughter. But only managed to maim her.
Other studios: "Noooooo, we can't design dragons with 4 feet. That's too hard to animate!!!" Fromsoft: "More fingers! MORE! And make each one wiggle individually!"
Ima be honest, I’ve never seen a company complain about having to design dragons. Elden Ring is basically just Dark Souls 3 but with open world so don’t act like they did anything crazy here in terms of animation or graphics. I say this as someone who loves the games and the company.
@@richizzle39i think its just hilarious when american devs have a fit about this game and all the praise, accolades, sales its getting Then you see what they make and its some garbage app
@@Devin7Eleven The significance seems to be intelligence. The ability to manipulate objects and use tools is what usually gives rise to higher intelligence in animals. This is true for things like octopi and dolphins... as they *do* manipulate objects without fingers... but nothing beats apes and our hands for intelligence. Fingers are OP.
@@trustmeits610pm2 And this concept is strengthened by the dragon-beasts lore in Farum Azula, when it is esplictly narrated that it was by the evolution of fingers that they became intelligent (you can see burials similar to the one of the first populations of men)
it seems like based on this design, the fingercreepers are a malformed result of her injuries? Maybe that’s why there’s no new two fingers being created, because since her injury she can only produce fingercreepers
It looks like they are growing through her skin, all the additional fingers are malformed creepers trying to force their way out.... unsettling to say the least.
If you look at her tail, the wounds there are also growing Two Fingers, as is the wound on her shoulder. As is her massive "stomach" wound. It looks like she less births new Fingers as more simply divides her own essence into new Fingers.
@@FaeQueenCory it looks to me like the two fingers are growing inside her like parasites, and are coming out of her body similar to something like a botfly.
- Sir we found another dead tarnished in the middle of nowhere. It's the 48th this week. - Good Elden Lord, we might have another cosmic entity on the loose......any fingerprints ? - Yeah about that......
A thought entered my mind about why Caria Manor was home to a bunch of the fingercreepers, and just like that I found the answer: The Carians studied the stars, gaining sorcery from the cosmos… and where did the fingercreepers come from….? It probably felt like the closest thing to home for them. And it explains why there are some in the Mountaintops of the Giants because that’s where the astrologers were once in the past.
Yup. And also, don't forget where you find her. Cathedral of Manus Metyr. And where do you take the final steps for ranni's quest? Cathedral of Manus Celes.
@@TrumpFTW2024 oh wow, I forgot the name of that place! I knew the word, or title, “Manus” made an appearance in the base game and not just from Dark Souls. Also, does “Metyr” mean anythi- wait… as I was typing the word, it could’ve autocorrected it to “Meteor”. Met-e-or Manus Metyr = Hand Meteor 🧐 EDIT: Metyr = Mother Metyr = Meteor Metyr = Martyr Metyr = Matron Lots of speculation… just as the developers intended.
I like the idea(from Ratatoskr’s stream) where a thousand years into the future, Metyr finally receives a message and it’s just: “Okay, all Placidusax has to do is…”
Since Metyr was the first and from the Cinquedea item description we learn that five fingers is the sign of intelligence, I wonder if Metyr’s purpose was to give life intelligence after the Greater Will separated itself from the One Great and then the Elden Beast’s purpose was to establish order. Once those goals were accomplished, the Greater Will cut off communication.
I wonder if perhaps she isn't growing out new fingers so much as they are parasitising her. They seem to resemble maggots in a wound, some of them even lifting off skin, which could be why she is referred to as "broken". They're also pointing up towards the orb in her tail, which I see as her connection to the Greater Will. Perhaps they were trying to "usurp" her connection for some reason? It does sort of tie into what Ymir said about the "roots" or fingers themselves being corrupted from the start...
Metyr is the mother to the Two Fingers and fingercreepers so the Three Fingers of the Frenzied Flame is just a mockery of the Greater Will putting a middle finger to it.
The god of frenzyed flame seems more likely to have born when the GW created life, in that moment with life itself the desire to stop suffering was born along side it, the flame is the personification of the desire to never been born, in order to end one suffering forever, thats why the frenzy appear in the eyes of pleple that have suffered a lot and only want the suffering to stop.
@@D3athL1vin im guessing because of the hidden treasure of nokstella, which is the FINGER slayer blade, and the people of nokstella are the nox (idk how theyre called)
the head looking like a big thumb with an iris that looks like a d-pad really lends to the theory that there's some kind of meta connection between the fingers and players' hands on a controller.
@@gladiusbladeofthenorth9939My headcanon since the game came out and seeing Astel is that this is just a Bloodborne prequel Michael created to prep us for Bloodborne 2. We have beast people and Eldritch abominations. We have Winter Lanterns and madness. Crazy deities and stuff with the moon. Thousand Years Voyage of the Stars under the moon? And so begins the Paleblood. This is my happy place LOL
The more I look at Metyr, the more she has the same deity-like aura just like the Elden Beast since both of them came from beyond the Greater Will and the finger mother here seems to be the sort of messenger for the greater will to convey it's messages so it can transfer it to the fingers in the Lands Between so the people there can interpret, primarily the Finger Readers
I think just like Marika and Miquella, she seems like physical body that has been abandoned. And since Shadow realm used to work as somewhat like afterlife, which is why she located here and under the water(unlike elden beast has sky-like arena)
@richizzle39 I mean, I can. Bloodborne is the only Playstation exclusive that i find appealing. The rest aren't really my cup of tea, and getting a ps4 just for one game alone seems kinda financially irresponsible. Also, even though I reeeeaally want to play bloodborne, what if I don't love the game when I actually get to play it? Or maybe it's just amazing and I overthink too much lol idk
Notice how she only has 4 fingers, and linking back to an item desc that suggests that 5 fingers are what represents intelligence, its clear to say that Metyr might have been broken from the very start
it just occurred to me that metyr's skin is mottled black, blue, purple, red-- all colors that you get when you break a finger/hand/foot she is ***literally*** broken
Notice how, besides the head, everything about her is made of sets of two fingers. The 4 fingered hands are two sets of two fingers stitched together, the legs are also many sets of two fingers.
it's kind of pitiful. she was sent down to this world to be a guide for her own kin and for all life, but she was abandoned and left to rot-- presumably succumbed to a similar madness as rennala, having lost any purpose aside from birthing new fingers, each and all bereft of purpose. her children themselves were deprived of guidance from their mother or their cosmic creator, forever stuck trying to fix a world they didn't seem to fully understand, while their own chosen god worked against them. little wonder that the three fingers saw the entire microcosm as a mistake to be rectified
Or even better- if they never come to this world none of all these bull shits will ever happen, how about that? Like why are you victimize these cosmic freaks?
she wasnt abandoned, she basically had a wifi connection with the greater will but presumably it looks like the nox used the finger slaying blade on her which damaged her enough for her to not be able to hear the greater will anymore
What a stellar design, there's so much to analyze and adore about it! What I find to be a particularly nice touch is how the bottom part of the golden ring surrounding the microcosm is much brighter than the rest of it, giving it the appearance of a rune arc.
The Sphere helded by Metyr is called sun, but the Greater Will is described as an Abyss of Knowledge with fits the description of a black hole Black Holes are the final stage of massive stars cycles Maybe the Greater Will actually WAS a Star, but something made it collapse and transform into a Black Hole. And the moment it "Collapsed", it stopped sending signals.
The eyeball is interesting with that symbol like pupil. Also yeah this thing is totally the reason the nox’s created the finger slayer blade in the first place I’m calling now!
I saw a diagram yesterday that says that the wound seemingly originating from a missing wrist on the finger creepers is actually from the removal of the tail (two) fingers, which either die or become their own Two Fingers.
As someone who loves space, having a quasar as an attack automatically makes Metyr an A tier boss. Seriously, you can't get any cooler than that. And the fact that her death animation is just being sucked into a black hole is something else
I wonder if the Elden Beast is like her 'Radagon', and they were one being but the wound mentioned in her item description when she landed on the planet was actually her and her Elden Beast half being separated in the impact.
Fingerprint Nostrum: A secret medicine of those who attempt to turn their human bodies into fingers. Ingesting causes something to wriggle within Crafted using; Finger Mimic: Light-pink mushroom resembling a wizened finger. Material used for crafting items. Exceedingly rare to find. Used to by those who wish to become fingers to induce hallucinations. They call these mushrooms the stillborn of the Two Fingers. Dewgem: Glows at night and blossoms mainly at the waterside. Said to have been used in the practice of sprite medicine long ago. Beast Horn: Horn suffused with spirituality. Material used for crafting items. Found by hunting horned beasts of the realm of shadow. The Crucible has a particularly strong influence on the beasts of the realm of shadow, causing many to grow horns despite the characteristics of their species. Pearlescent Scale: A glassy and glistening fragment of pearlescent hue. Material used for crafting items. Found by hunting lamprey. These retrograde scales are found embedded deep within the skin of lamprey. Nostrum: a medicine of secret composition recommended by its preparer but usually without scientific proof of its effectiveness In extended use, a pet scheme for accomplishing something Basically, he was taking mushrooms, mixing them with ingredients which impart some kind of spiritual essence connected with Metyr/Fingers, and this "medicine" was something he kept trying and failing to make (based on the dead Yuri event) until he eventually succeeded after we killed Metyr. Seemingly, us killing Metyr was the thing which allowed his "medicine" to work and allowed him to start birthing full fledged Finger Creepers. Fortunately, he decided we couldn't be allowed to live since we know that he has no capacity for communicating with the Greater Will. We kill him before he could take the place of Metyr as, I dunno, Pope of Fingers or whatever. The main "voice" of the Greater Will.
since so much of Elden Ring is based on the Rebis, and how godhood is obtained by the conjoining of male and female elements, Marika and Radagon, The Promised Consort, joining of the Sun and Moon, and so everything is guided by the two fingers. For all of creation, there was always two. Even the hornsent's beloved spiral utilizes this theme. Then I look at Metyr and notice a fascinating artistic detail, the wound on her chest is her birthing canal, while her head behaves more as a phallic instrument than a tool for communication, shes literally a Hermaphrodite.
We don’t. The timeline is still very vague precisely when the Nox went underground and how long the Greater Will hasn’t kept contact with the lands between. To be fair, the Nox got a good deal because the Greater Will never fully obliterated and gave them their own eternal night which they wanted.
I thought so too, she also looks wounded. Could the finger slaying blade have been used? Was Marika pulling out grace from her what severed the mother's connection from the greater will? Or did she use strands of golden hair from the hornsent divinity/gloam eyed queen or even one of her ancestors to craft her great rune? There's so many possibilities I feel like we may never truly know...
Metyr is literaly supposed to be the hand of god (the greater will), yet you can see it is cut off and is so twisted it barely looks like a hand anymore. How can such being guide and delegate to lesser beings? When Marika brandished the Elden ring and founded the golden order, it was corrupted from the very beginning, just as metyr.
