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The Mystery of the British tungsten alloy APDS 

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Functionality test of the cap used for British tungsten alloy APDS.
120mm L15 APDS tungsten alloy core at 1310 m/s. (0.9km distance)
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300mm steel armor (~280 BHN, average toughness)
Both projectiles have the same total mass.

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@NotTheCIA1961
@NotTheCIA1961 9 месяцев назад
It looks like the cap is helping to concentrate the force of the shell, and helping to prevent it from mushrooming. Even when the cap shreds off, it's already helped to force-form the slug itself into an "arrow" shape.
@quigglebert
@quigglebert 9 месяцев назад
A self forming shot trap, amazing
@NotTheCIA1961
@NotTheCIA1961 9 месяцев назад
Not really. A shot trap is when armor (typically on the lower turret) is angled in such a way as to enable a round to ricochet off of it and into a thinner plate of armor. Prime example is the late war modifications of the Panther where the turret lost its rounded bottom mantlet. @@quigglebert
@quigglebert
@quigglebert 9 месяцев назад
@osurulz2010 fair enough, my understanding was a shot trap effectively guided the shot in from what otherwise would have been a bounce, I.e the separation between Hull and turret, thus my thinking the ballistic cap effectively is a deployable shot trap from the shells side of the equation
@lonemarkkingoftypos3722
@lonemarkkingoftypos3722 9 месяцев назад
So less "mushroom" basicly?
@weaponizedautism6589
@weaponizedautism6589 9 месяцев назад
Maybe the cap focuses the energy of the projectile more into one place of the armor, leading to better penetration, while without the cap the energy spreads out more?
@halifax6228
@halifax6228 9 месяцев назад
Imo, the projectile at the top is juste a little bit longer, so it have more pénétration. The cap is just a shape optimisation to increase the length
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 9 месяцев назад
@@halifax6228 projectile is longer so that the energy matches, because that's what counts in the comparison, not the length itself.
@andoapata2216
@andoapata2216 9 месяцев назад
Roundy tries to push everything forward, pointy moves material to the sides, even deep inside the hole it keeps rolling inside out (like a prepuce), if the cap had different color maybe we can see what is going on
@DreamZe115
@DreamZe115 9 месяцев назад
A side by side view of both clip would have been great , but great video as usual !
@juusolatva
@juusolatva 9 месяцев назад
I would love to see a similar functionality test of how the cap performs at a 60 degree angle
@ccavanagh8429
@ccavanagh8429 9 месяцев назад
The cap is primary designed to reduce ricochet. As it strikes the armour, the cap bites and turns the penetrator into the armour. We thats what they told us a the RAC gunnery school
@mmmyes9353
@mmmyes9353 9 месяцев назад
Not known to many, but, the cap was designed so that when it strikes oblique angles of armor, the nose of the cap turns away and the base of the cap ‘knocks’ the tip of the penetrator towards the armor
@dominuslogik484
@dominuslogik484 9 месяцев назад
would love to see that shown in a sim
@mmmyes9353
@mmmyes9353 9 месяцев назад
@@dominuslogik484 idk maybe I’ll do that when my pc is fixed
@ccavanagh8429
@ccavanagh8429 9 месяцев назад
Spot on student
@MurkyShallows
@MurkyShallows 9 месяцев назад
I'd like to see these tested against plates at 60 degrees
@_cyantist
@_cyantist 9 месяцев назад
can you do a simulation of the LOSAT missile if you’re not too busy :) idk if it works like that or if you need data already :/
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 9 месяцев назад
I need data
@Terminus316
@Terminus316 9 месяцев назад
My guess is any discrepancies between the simulation and real world test figures would be correlated to inaccuracy or improper reactions of the propellant used in the original calculations
@andoapata2216
@andoapata2216 9 месяцев назад
Can i use caps to improve hammering nails to the wall ? I hate when they just bend :'(
@dominuslogik484
@dominuslogik484 9 месяцев назад
seems to me like the cap almost kind of "greased" the projectile by deforming and sliding along the sides of the projectile. probably not accurate at all but that was what it looked like
@user-wj8uu1iq3s
@user-wj8uu1iq3s 9 месяцев назад
Plz, can you make video about different cannon from WWII vs modern vehicles (like IFV, MRAP, APC and similar)
@dominuslogik484
@dominuslogik484 9 месяцев назад
I think he was the one that tested the Jagtiger 128mm shell vs the hull of an early M1 abrams. pretty impressive tbh
@velvetthundr
@velvetthundr 9 месяцев назад
I’m guessing this cap is to prevent shattering with the shell.
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 9 месяцев назад
The cap for this purpose is used in hard and brittle metals. Tungsten alloys don't need it.
@Matias-nr6rm
@Matias-nr6rm 8 месяцев назад
is there a way of "coloring" each part so we can see where that mass ends up? something i dont understand is why the shell in light grey seems to lose mass, i dont know where that goes, i assume it spreads like butter lining the hole but its confusing to me. anyway i still enjoy the videos haha also the plug at the end in the caped shell seems to retain some of the original shell's shape, can you put a "grid" to show how the mass of the target shifts as the shell pushes trough? im probably asking for too much nvm
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 8 месяцев назад
There is a way, sometimes I show the "full view", but only sometimes because it obscures the view.
@The_One_Man_001
@The_One_Man_001 9 месяцев назад
Can you test the effect of angling ERA vs APFSDS or HEAT?
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 9 месяцев назад
probably I could, but I don't know if it's interesting. Less inclined ERA, smaller effect
@jintsuubest9331
@jintsuubest9331 9 месяцев назад
Another follow up question. Assume non monolithic steel layers. Does it exist an optimal array, of course with better mass efficiency compare to monolithic plate, that can consume the cap and turn the capped projectile back to the uncapped one?
@neurofiedyamato8763
@neurofiedyamato8763 9 месяцев назад
Yes but its used for traditional APC or APCBC rounds. Its called a decapping plate. Its basically a spaced layer thick enough to decap the round. The space need to sufficient for the cap to properly detach though. For these reasons it only exist on ships.
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 9 месяцев назад
This projectile or any projectile? Does it exist in reality or does it exist theoretically?
@jintsuubest9331
@jintsuubest9331 9 месяцев назад
​@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 This projectile. But Im sure about the next part. I don't think my question is very well thought out. Maybe try it against the composite block upgrade on t55?
@jintsuubest9331
@jintsuubest9331 9 месяцев назад
So, this is not unknown. We alsp observe similar effect with wc penetrator. My question is to what extend does the cap material effect the final result. Can you test that?
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 9 месяцев назад
maybe someday
@cybernetic_crocodile8462
@cybernetic_crocodile8462 9 месяцев назад
Can you make a simulation of TOW 2 missle vs T-72M1 front plate covered in ERAWA 2 ERA? There was a test of such combination against Panzerfaust 3, and it actually stopped the jet. I'm curious if it could save crew from heavier warhead.
@geologulup8986
@geologulup8986 9 месяцев назад
could you please do losat?
@Lemard77
@Lemard77 9 месяцев назад
does the cap harm performance against angled plates or is it beneficial for that too?
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 9 месяцев назад
It is not harmful because it is not connected to the core.
@v4skunk739
@v4skunk739 9 месяцев назад
@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 Don't caps actually help at going through an angled plate?
@jintsuubest9331
@jintsuubest9331 9 месяцев назад
​@@v4skunk739 There is a transition zone of impact angle roughly up to 40 degree from horizontal where the frontal condition of the projectile still play some part in the penetration. Beyond that it is almost exclusively about mass/area that get smash onto the armor. Everything else being equal, capped projectile tend to have more mass getting kick away than uncapped one. Of course you can modify the projectile geometry, intentional weakspot, differential hardness, etc to allow capped projectile to have more mass smash into the armor.
@bulkedhulk2340
@bulkedhulk2340 9 месяцев назад
what is the name of this simulation?
@mikehintz
@mikehintz 9 месяцев назад
Could you do Mark IV vs A7V, frontal armor, at 250m; PTRD vs Panzer III side turret/armor at 200m; and ( I know it is hard) but Volksturm vs T-34-85 [Panzerfaust 60 vs side turret of T-34) OR -75/88mm Pak 40 (HE) against t-34 top frontal armor -10.5 cm LeFh 18 vs frontal/armor t-34 -15cm Schwere field howitzer 18 vs top t-34/ I-2/ su 122
@ivan5595
@ivan5595 9 месяцев назад
There was a video of 105mm HE shell against the turret of a T-34
@mikehintz
@mikehintz 8 месяцев назад
@@ivan5595 I was thinking roof armor and what 10.5/15cm HE can do to it. And a similar video but with the top armor of a T-72 by a 155/152mm HE shell (plunging fire).
@fulcrum2951
@fulcrum2951 9 месяцев назад
No cap
@HanSolo__
@HanSolo__ 9 месяцев назад
The cap turns into grease for the core to propel it into the massive "plug effect".😄
@wangl601
@wangl601 9 месяцев назад
It reminds me the BR-350A
@user-xo1kl4kf1r
@user-xo1kl4kf1r 9 месяцев назад
With the cap will less likely to penetrate angle armor ?
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 9 месяцев назад
The cap is not attached to the core, so it won't make it bounce.
@contagioushavoc5794
@contagioushavoc5794 9 месяцев назад
Can you shoot both of these into a t55 or t62 front plate to check?
@jintsuubest9331
@jintsuubest9331 9 месяцев назад
​@@contagioushavoc5794 105 data shows armor provide no resistance at same v_impact. 120 is just the exact same projectile but scale up.
@quigglebert
@quigglebert 9 месяцев назад
The superslow really hides the fact the people behind the spalling are gonna have a real bad time Id be interested in seeing a faster speed of the shot to really ram that point home that you get spallong, you get dead
@nikpat6006
@nikpat6006 9 месяцев назад
Cap acts like a lubricant on a drill bit it looks like.
@dj1NM3
@dj1NM3 9 месяцев назад
Capped AP rounds date all the way back to before WW2. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armour-piercing%2C_capped%2C_ballistic_capped_shell#Armour-piercing_cap Perhaps the same mechanism is at work on the British tungsten alloy APDS?
@contagioushavoc5794
@contagioushavoc5794 9 месяцев назад
Caps from that erra are to reduce the chance of the projectile shattering and were relatively soft.
@seanmurphy7011
@seanmurphy7011 9 месяцев назад
The cap is +1 Armor Piercing
@annamorawska8281
@annamorawska8281 9 месяцев назад
👍
@norezi8130
@norezi8130 9 месяцев назад
With cap it acts more like APFSDS
@artiomligay1690
@artiomligay1690 9 месяцев назад
Can you do a simulation of Russian Vacuum-2 125mm depleted uranium shell from 2A82 gun vs front hull/turret of leopard 2 or m1 abrams?
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 9 месяцев назад
There is no data
@oleg8349
@oleg8349 9 месяцев назад
Cap like lubricant
@TWMSR
@TWMSR 9 месяцев назад
Try oblique target. This is what this cap was designed for.
@ignotumperignotius630
@ignotumperignotius630 9 месяцев назад
remember that just as slope protects armour from projectiles, slope can also protect the integrity of a (sloped) projectile.
@leighrate
@leighrate 9 месяцев назад
Its probably there to defeat Kontakt and the like. Looks to me like it deflects the blast from ERA for a fraction of a second, and thus prevents or reduces deflection of the main penetrator.
@michadunski3508
@michadunski3508 9 месяцев назад
Chieftain was accepted into service even before Kontakt-1
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 9 месяцев назад
and kontakt-1 does almost nothing to kinetic projectiles, kontakt-5 came out much much later
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