The Mystery Of The Hollow Worlds - 40K Theories 

I completely forgot that the Necron homeworld in Sons of the Hydra was also a hollow world. Good catch! Though while the Necrons have made at least one hollow world, the one in Sons of the Hydra is, as you said, rife with Necron architecture, but the ones of the Lastrati System are (seemingly) not. If I recall correctly, wasn't that world's lack of connection to the warp due to the fact the world itself had a number of Pylons?

The whole system was teeming with pylons. It was so powerful that even the possessed space marines temporarily lost their daemonic inhabitants. It reached the point where as the psyker of the group says something along the lines of: "this whole system is like a gigantic black hole for psycic energy."

Yes of course! Sorry, it has been a long while since I read that book xD

I am just happy to help. :)

@@40KTheories Also Trazyn the Infinites collections are, as I recall, hollow worlds as well

I remember anthem was supposed to be a thing but I completely forgot what it was

did someone call the salamanders chapter, because somethings burning?

Oh shit cease fire jesus absolutely annihilated

**rimshot**

the anihlation faced on vraks is but a merest kiten scratch compared to this anihlation.

Imagine how the wolves take this after the 'months of shame' incident caused by inquisitor kysnaros

Calling Space Wolves a shipload of dog threat is wonderful.

As a Wolf, I am offended. We eat dog *food* , not dog *treats* you sodden fool.

that is what pisses me off about the old ones as solution : cannot explain it ? Probably the old ones. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

@@terryfeynman I thought in 40k the answer is always....it was, is or they are descended from Ultramarines. But yes we do have few primordial super races in 40k. We have the Old Ones, the Necrontyr/Necron and later the Alderi. But nothing else and that makes the galaxy seem a little flat and its history empty. Yeah the War in Heaven destroyed a lot, but it would nice to for stories about things left behind by other ancient races approaching the Old One's/Necrons power.

Instead of not leaving a manual, i think Huron stole it in the book he knew pretty well how it worked

@@NecrosAcolyte Can't The Flood emit a corruptive signal once they reach a critical mass? I believe that once they achieve Grave-Mind levels of sentience their pure forms and converted combat forms (as well as any other organic and/or electronic construct either created or assimilated) passively emit a signal that slowly turns AI into the allies of the Flood, but I could be wrong. It's been a while since I've read the lore.

@@NecrosAcolyte Yeah, the Forerunners took the Precursors going: "Nah, we're giving Ancient Humanity the Mantle of Responsibility instead" about as well as the Necrons took the Old Ones refusal to give them the secret to that sweet nigh-immortal longevity the big Space Toads had. Meaning they flipped their shit and proceeded to exterminate the entirety of the Precursor race (which came back to bite them when the defective Precursor dust fragments mutated into the Precursors abominable "descendants" known as the Flood and proceeded to wreck everyone's shit. The Haloverse is lucky the Flood are no longer true Precursors, otherwise current-day Haloverse would have been consumed by Halo 3. Weaponized Precursor Star Roads were OP as hell even by 40k War-in-Heaven standards.) *Side note:* Lexicanium has this line: "As the Old Ones passed through the cosmos, a number of younger and fiercer races developed within their wake, including the Necrontyr, who struggled in their colonisation of other worlds." It kinda implies some of the Old Ones might have been responsible for uplifting the Necrontyr in the first place and then left them developmentally crippled from a space-faring perspective. If true, the whole Necron/Forerunner comparison feels a lot more accurate than I first realized. I guess that makes the Orks comparable to the Flood (even though the Flood's origins are more accidental than the deliberate "FUCK YOU!" - _Signed, the Old Ones_ to the 40k galaxy that the Krorks/Orks are post-War in Heaven.)

Wwwoooowwwww! At some point, some bored techpriest is gonna find the composer and digitize the whole Tau empire!

Not really. Have you watch the old version of spiderman 2? Investigate that and in theory, it could be possible to create a miniture sun. However, it also implies that said sun may destroy everything in thousands of kilometers, since the gravitational field can be too wide, and it can even go supernova becoming as dangerous as a nuclear bomb. So, the ones that did this could been: A branch of Necrons that got tired of making everything rectangular and wanted to make experiments with spheres, the old ones researching stuff, or humans during the dark age of technology

@@Loydthehighwayman That is the dumbest thing in this entire comment section. Seriously, you sound like an idiot.

Doc Awful it’s not dumb, I literally just watched Spider-Man 2 a few hours ago and his logic checks out...

@@DelightfulTyrant Its stupid the idea of humans creating a minisun or its stupid that the necrons decided to make spherical things for the first time? Dude, humans can do a lot of amaizing shit, just give them some time

@@Loydthehighwayman do not use Spider Man as a source for science. Fusion reactors do not work like that. You want a miniature sun? Kugelblitz black hole of an asteroid mass, inside a tungsten orb, hawking radiation keeps it kicking out x rays and heating the tungsten to white heat for a million or so years, would be perfect as a fake sun, for a hollow earth.

Things like that seriously make one wonder as to why the Necrons haven't won already.

@@demonicpain10 I propose that it is due choose some ancient codes or something, necrons have been shown to possessivos fairly frequently.

@@demonicpain10 They're still rubbing the sleep from their eyes. Give them a few thousand years to drink some recaf and have their bagel.

@@demonicpain10 Well, destroying a world is one less world they can own.

@@demonicpain10 To quote the Archeovist of the Solomance Galleries - Trayzn the Infinite: "My people? They were Nepheru....Little better than you primitives, in their way"

I'm thinking the same.

NOOO WAYYY. Humans suuuuuck

Hayden Martinez those from today: yes. But back in the dark age of tech, they could do some serious trickery. One of them involves aiming a missile or whatever from the past to hit something it shouldn’t in the now moment.

Another human ship based DAoT weapon is a chrono singularity weapon that allows you to capture a target trying to escape and move it a second into the past superimposing the target over its self on an atomic level with catastrophically brutal results .... As seen on the Adeptus Mechanicus Forge ship the Esperanza PS i know the ships name is spelled differently but in my mind i read esperanza and the name kinda stuck :P

@@Phenixtri The sperenza also removed whole systems from existence

Either that or they somehow connect parts of their theory to some misunderstanding of warhammer 40k

Godzilla is a Bio-Titan

Funnily enough, Forgeworld Ryza did something like that.

I doubt it , the nids would undoubtedly evolve a special sensor or something more complex.

Yeah I think the dark age of technology humanity could easily construct artificial megastructures on the scale of planets pretty easily. They might be easier than actually terraforming worlds in some cases.

Time was your ally human, but now it has abandoned you

As long as none of them were named Onyx, everything will be fine.

Alex Tiller onyx was pretty safe barring trespassing. The Shield World from Halo Wars, though. The Flood.

But all of the 41st millennium the lamenters are on penitence in the death watch right? I don't think the ordo xenos would really get involved with chasing down chaos marines

+knightofficer They were on a penitent crusade, if I’m remembering right, disallowed from recruiting new astartes and essentially fighting constantly anywhere they can until the crusade was finally concluded at the end of M41. They weren’t inducted into the deathwatch.

​@@dashiellgillingham4579 Aren't the Lamenters past the hundred year mark and thus allowed to recruit again?

+William Blowers Yes, ‘now’ they are, weather it’s the end of M41 or early M42 is still in question. If it’s late M41 they’ve been forgiven since 800.M41, if it’s early M42 then they were forgiven in 999.M41.

3. Dark Age of Technology.

I would say that its more of a warp gate. In the book its shown that they are affected by the rotation of the planets and can only be used at sertain times of day and you can see trough em.

only downside to this theory is that the saruthi dont follow any form of symmetry that is conceivable to the human mind. Being as the system is colonised, youd have scores of the populace going mad because of it. Also the saruthi are corrupted by chaos and have odd abilities like smelling colour and tasting sound so i doubt they would make something as tangible like this as a permemant fixture. in Eisenhorn the realm they make for the meeting is constructed purly for that meeting.

No the Saruthi didn't make hollow worlds. Their architecture was 4-dimensional, meaning their constructs existed tangentially in multiple states of space-time. This effectively means that they could fit the space required to house a hive city's entire populace into a physical space the size of a modestly-sized city of our age. If you want to understand the logistics of it better, I advise playing Stellaris using Twink's Eternal Empire mod. The housing buildings provide 40 housing and yet take up the same space as normal luxury buildings (which give 4 housing), simply because the whole thing is the entire principle of the TARDIS applied to housing and living space.

no, this is the size of a planet with an artificial sun inside. A dyson sphere captures an actual real star in it, so it is on a whole other level.

Sort of. Yes they contain a sun within themselves but a Dyson Sphere is a means of generating power by trapping a star. While the hollow worlds are...inside out planets

No. They are "shield" worlds. Dyson spheres surround suns.

If it is a Dyson sphere, everything living inside those "planets" should be dead.

@Ethan Lackey yes

This is more akin to the O'Neill cylinder. So... O'Neill spheres?

I'll be honest, I still need to read that series

@@40KTheories A batshit insane magos has 3 mechanical hounds which regenerate and have anti-psyker mechanisms in place. The Eldar call them servants of the Yngir but later for some reason discard the idea.

@@40KTheories Get the Omnibus, series was excellent. So much cool historical tech came out in that series.

Can you cite the book where it states that about Fenris, please? Thank you.

@@40KTheories Mentioned (sort of) in Wolfsbane when Big E and Horus discuss Leman Russ after just meeting him. 'Their highest art is the forging of steel,' admitted the Emperor. 'Their world has regressed to a pre-technological state, and if you saw it you would not be surprised why. It is a beautiful, savage place of ice, fire and monsters. A charming experiment in reconstructed mythologies.' 'What do you mean?' 'Fenris is a relic from the days before Old Night.'

I interpreted that as basically the Emperor saying "Fenris has become a fantastical version of Viking era Scandinavia on a planetary scale" by pointing out how similar much of Fenris is to ancient Norse mythology

@@40KTheories I suppose that is the beauty and vagueness of 40K, but I personally interpret it as something made by the old humans due to the wording (but again it is interpretable in many ways I suppose).

I can see both interpretations, but in the end I believe the planet is an engineered experiment. Within 40k planets not making sense is par for the course so Fenris' obviously unusual nature as a planet(plate tectonics, orbit) isn't really evidence but my gut tells me this is the beginning of a retcon. There's no real explanation I've ever come across besides at minimum an artificially crafted culture to explain why a planet colonized thousands of years in the future would universally follow a bastardized version of a religion that's been dead for centuries in our own time. I think GW is doing a lot of lore expansion atm and Fenris as a Golden Age experiment would be an interesting story to be uncovered, would explain the people if not the planet better, and fits with this new age of rediscovery brought on by Guillimans return. Could also have something to do with the Canis Helix not working on non fenrisians when they tried to found successor chapters but there being Terrans who became "Space Wolf" Legionaires before Russ was rediscovered on Fenris. If it was an experiment and one the Emperor was familiar with perhaps there is some minor genetic alterations inherent to Fenrisians that he had to create in Terrans before elevating them to proto Space Wolves Astartes. But that wraps around to Big E knowing his Primarchs would be scattered and where they'd be. Too much for me tonight. In conclusion I think we need to give golden age humanity the credit they are due when discussing most advanced races in the galaxy and various things like this said by the Emperor and some of the things the time traveling A.I. talk about seem designed to kinda restore that sense that humanity was so much more and perhaps more parts of that history will be coming to light in the future. Thanx for the video, the response, and to the other commentors. Night all

That's what thought too, it rings very similar to those worlds even the material used to build. The salruthi? Been a bit since I read but I think you're right.

No, they aren't. The Saruthi created that particular environment purely for the meeting. Their normal worlds were psionic worlds with 4-dimensional architecture. The Saruthi empire, even at its height, was still very local, so unless these hollow worlds were all found within the Helican sector exclusively, it is highly unlikely that the Saruthi even had anything to do with these hollow worlds.

Seemingly so

@Nat20 Damage you got that backwards.

Old Man Necron: _sees Forerunner youngsters making as Shield Worlds_ YOU KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN!! _shakes cane angrily_

They do seem similar

Reminds me somewhat of a post trying to squeeze in a Covenant remnant into 40K as another background faction.

"This Tomb, is now yours..."

MrImperatorRoma 4chans /tg/ board made a whole codex for the covenant

But at the same time the Aeldari have been shown to become highly aggressive should another race settle upon a Maiden World, even to the point of launching massive warhosts to drive human/t'au/whatever colonists away from them. If the worlds of the Lastrati system are of Aeldari origin, then why haven't they attempted to expel the humans living there?

ALMOST perfect. The Planets don't orbit their parent, they are apparently stationary in space, a supposedly physical impossibility.

lorzon true but a lot of stuff the Emperor has made should be physically impossible so a internal spherical ecosystem shouldn’t be that more far fetched

I believe they tried, but couldn't help them extend their life span and abandoned them.

@@TheRampantLion I'll probably check on it later, thanks.

Probably did the work a while back and is just releasing it on a schedule like TV shows

If it means anything I wrote this particular script about 2 months ago. I tend to prepare my scripts 4-6 weeks ahead of their scheduled recording date.

@@40KTheories dont lie you have many servoskulls doing most of the hard work but still keep the good work up

@@40KTheories smart thing to do helping to prevent burnout?

Personally I doubt the Aeldari had a hand in their creation, given how aggressive they become should any race settle upon their Maiden Worlds. Whenever humans or T'au have settled upon a Maiden World, the Aeldari almost immediately launch an assault to drive the colonists away. If the Aeldari created the Hollow Worlds then surely they would have attempted to expel the humans from them.

@@40KTheoriesThese 'planets' clearly aren't normal maiden worlds though. Could they have been kept secret, like a government experiment, and the Eldar somehow lost the knowledge of them in the fall? IDK, just speculating. Great video btw! I love your content