The NCR - Brotherhood War 

Im not super familiar with those, but there is always the Old World Blues mod for Hearts of Iron 4!

@@theneocypher I actually looked into because of your comment and am now happily playing it. I had no idea this existed, thank you!

​@@RommelTheDesertFox Also until Bethesda makes the RTS or a person or a team makes it HOI 4 old world blue is the closest of a true fallout RTS

​@@RommelTheDesertFoxIMO really good mod, a lot of factions and dedicated focus trees and a lot of different playstyles with them

@@comradesam3382 You aren't kidding! Alot of factions with alot of phenomenal focus trees!

Don’t also forget that a BoS chapter successfully raided and destroyed the NCR gold mines rendering their currency to practically zero of itself as now a lot of places if not all NCR territories resort to using Caps as the popular currency. As the government continues to ship out NCR dollar only protected by the government word and value and no longer valued by gold

I mean the BOS armed forces are comprised of pre war level trained with a full lifetime of experience paladins and fully equipped elite soldiers in the best pre war military equipment available power armour that turns them into literal walking tanks(advanced power armour is post war technically) Going up against a light industrial state mostly comprising of conscripted troops with semi automatic rifles and basic body armour who have 2 weeks of training tops with limited numbers of elite well armed troops that use actual pre war military equipment and have solid training and experience. Yeah the NCR are going to have struggle to actually inflict any casualties at all against the main fighting force of the BOS and suffer major casualties to even come close to an opportunity to yo even bare the weapons and troops even capable of kill a single paladin. Hell the BOS with the massive NCR deployment surrounding them only suffered half their numbers in casualties because their insane elder had them commit to the position.

Well the NCR is screwed once the eastern BOS showed up later with their open recruitment and tough training due to their experience in the super mutant wars in the east. Worst thing is that the eastern BOS controls vault 79 the vault that has all the pre war gold reserves. So the eastern BOS can back their caps with gold and can hire a lot of mercs to do their fighting.

@@Alex-pj8nzit’ll be interesting to see the ECBOS fight the NCR. Now the fight is even.

@@oyahziI believe that’s another reason in show the NCR has collapsed the east coast brotherhood came back for the home chapter. Now they have a Maxon at the head of the brotherhood again the ncr stands no chance

Thats one of my favorite things to do on my NCR runs as well

I was so sad when moore told me to destroy the BOS but immediately happy when the dialogue option with the elder popped up.

@@cristi1145 I really hate that B**ch Moores. Shes way too murder hungry! And if you try and make peace with the BOS, she ends up giving you negative rep with the NCR, which is bulls**t.

No, the brotherhood is great

@@Bluebottlenosethe bruhtherhood is gae

@@Bluebottlenosetech hoarding asshole more like

The Brotherhood have been helping and screwing people over. Fallout 2 and 3 Brotherhood are the good guys.

In Fallout 1 the Brotherhood helped stop the Master, helping attack Mariposa and the Cathedral. Your just bias against them.

They do recruit them but they have to be sponsored by someone at knight rank or higher (could be wrong on the exact rank)

@@somedogsarecops2354 Western BoS only recruits outsiders if they're exceptional or if they're orphans.

Yeah, just look at the weapons the troopers in the Divide had

The main technological gap was the power armour one. The NCR simply did not know how to wear power armour, as seen by New Vegas’ heavy troopers who wear power armour which has had the servomotors stripped out. Power armour is described as bringing a soldier nearly up to the strength and resilience of a tank, but the stripped out power armour merely gives you the resilience. This manifested as the NCR having to fight dozens of tanks while having none of their own. On the surface it was manageable in the end because rangers with anti-material rifles can punch through that armour, but in the corridors of brotherhood bunkers, the NCR were just feeding troopers into meatgrinders.

Too bad the show took out our beloved faction. No more ncr bc the show is canon

The Brotherhood's edge is being able to maintain and produce more of what they have (excluding power armor). Sure, the NCR might be able to loot a few guass rifles, but they can't maintain or make more ammunition for them, let alone make more of them. >Vault 15 Vaults are useful for rebuilding society (via GECK and the like making it so you can actually farm) but aren't actually all that impressive when it comes to production. As for weaponry, outside of niche specialist experiments like with the Boomers vaults have a security force and appropriate weapons to go with it - SMGs, some rifles, maybe a few grenades, etc. >Gun runners Are explicitly making things by hand. >About to annex vault city Which has advanced medical technology, not BoS/Enclave tier weapons. The BoS have access to a large amount of advanced medical tech themselves, including a literal medical supercomputer in F2. Plus, the annexation of Vault City by NCR is one of the 'bad' endings. Given all protagonists have been good so far, I doubt it happened. >Trading with san fran San fran is advanced but were also pretty racist - and while a major partner, arming them would be a very poor idea given how expansionist they are, both of which would cut down trade. They also weren't quite on the level of the BoS weapons wise - they surpassed them in some areas, but in others they lagged behind. After all, the Brotherhood were surprised at the Enclave being more advanced then them while having a literal chapter house in SF - if san fran was THAT good, it'd be mentioned at least once. >Recovered enclave weapons Yes, but these get used up, as NCR cannot really maintain or resupply anything they loot off the Enclave (or BoS, for that matter). It's stated pretty much everywhere in-game and out that the BoS are significantly more advanced then the NCR and lost in spite of that because of dogmatic leadership and being unable to replace casualties effectively.

@@3689dyf Todd said we haven't seen the last of the NCR

Agreed. I certainly would not want to find myself down range of an entrenched brotherhood force.

@@theneocypher I could imagine the amount of ncr soldiers who would have broken down from ptsd when they saw BOS Paladins at Hoover dam thanks to the Courier.

Lose you say? The Brotherhood has just begun to fight.

@@randywells8974tf are you babbling about, Helios was the last major operation

​@kpat5655 you actually loose fame with the ncr if you convince them to let the brotherhood of steel fight alongside them at the second battle of the Hoover Dam

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The Kings are the true strongest faction

Thats a great idea!

It what the brotherhood was founded on in their codex to support and then integrate into a democratic society But decades of isolation and a superiority complex on who can use technology. They were never going to relegate themselves to a position that has them see themselves as equals to outsiders and would find some excuse to not follow the codex.

The BOS where founders of the NCR, it’s just that they never took advantage of that in the early days.

The state of Maxson’s existence was their chance.

The BoS doesn't actually care about preventing the past by hoarding tech They just need justification to hoard tech

I can only imagine that a vet ranger wouldn’t even get within range if a brotherhood paladin lol

Centurion sneaking up on the Ranger* shhhhh

​​@@theneocypher ??? Explain ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-lSPpVtYoCRY.htmlsi=NyZZBEjAXTtD0qcJ

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Lore and gameplay is VERY different in this series

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How bout now in the Fallout TV show. Ad' Victorium. They finished off the NCR

​@@vectorphoenix5992By the events of New Vegas, the NCR had more than a million citizens, they also got a new capital after Shady Sands was destroyed, the battle they showed was most not the fall of the NCR 30 000 gone in a nuke out of a million is a lot, but the NCR has the same mindset as the USSR in WW2; They might have lost almost everything, but they haven't lost everything

@@Ocoro_ They wouldn't be a remnant faction if that was true, and would have already sent aid and martial law to curb the lawlessness by then. And this was a decade ago. Just look at "Filly" and the nation called the (Governm"i"nt).

​@@Ocoro_ the over a million citizens is entirely fanon. we don't know how large their population is in FNV. F2 had them with 700k iirc, with no new numbers after that. the NCR isn't GONE GONE but severe weakening makes entire sense and they were set up for this in FNV. the NCR had already overextended themselves, large parts of it's territiory didn't want to be NCR territory, they had super corrupted institutions, they (probably) lost the Mojave war, and they made many, many, many enemies.

@@vectorphoenix5992 Why send aid to a hostile controlled area that was nuked? Even if they would have wanted to, they wouldn't be able to, as much as I love the NCR, they got a lot weaker in the show, it doesn't mean that they are out of the fight yet

It shows either how desperate they've gotten or that they're finally learning their lessons

Brotherhood of Steel: No, I don't think you will

Oi oi I’m not on patrol here but it’s N.C.R. as in “New California Republic” not NcR. I don’t wanna be a jerk about it, but I still wanna clear that up

The worst thing is that the fallout show nuked the NCR out of the story and the rumor is San Francisco is the setting for Fallout 5. So we are going to California in a next gen Fallout but lmao they killed off an entire original faction off screen

​@@ExProductions95 I like to believe that the two headed bear is only hibernating

​@@ExProductions95 Only shady sands got nuked not the entire NCR.

I did

Probably phenomenally better than the west coast BOS did lol

it's kind've hard to tell how the midwest does things because we caught them in the middle of a crisis. the average midwestern soldier is far, far inferior to the average traditional BoS soldier, but there's a lot more of them, and they're probably better trained/experienced then the average NCR soldier, even if their equipment is more erratic.

April 10th now 😭

It’s gone! It’s all gone!

@@arthureaterofworlds5176 don't think its all gone Chief lol although I got more questions now seeing the *SPOILERS* NCR got obliterated (Shady Sands really but I got more coming for the aftermath of 2nd Battle of Hoover Dam) and New Vegas is still standing after the whole FNV story, teased right up at the end lol

The show actually uses more canon from New Vegas than FO3, FO4, and FO76

Ive heard this too. I can’t wait to see what they try and pull

I wish it was just a parallel universe

“You came to the wrong bunker fool!”

I agree! I don’t have super high hopes for the show or the writing. But I am excited to see just where they take the story

If the show was taking place on the east coat, I wouldn’t watch it lol

@theneocypher I don't know what they would do on the East Coast. Unless it was like a Fallout 3 or 4 adaptation. West Coast is where the drama is! Apparently, Todd said not to give a clear answer to what happens in the games, so I assume he means Fallout New Vegas because that's the only recent game on the West Coast. I do want to know what happened after Lonesome Road, though. And how the NCR got affected by the endings of it and the base game to, of course.

Same here. Based on the destroyed town of shady sands seen in the trailer for the show, I think they plan to have the NCR post-nuke in some capacity. I wouldn’t be mad if Ulysses had succeeded. However, I’m certain now that was an easter egg red herring.

I have no expectations for the show being good to the lore. Only a ham fisted explanation why a Vault went unnoticed by both The Master and the NCR in the Boneyard.

Agreed. Amazing what an IP can support when the content is actually made by fans for fans

I love the fact that Sodaz takes liberties expanding on the source material, and unlike how the Amazon show will likely be those liberties enrich the series

I highly doubt it. That’s not saying sodaz is bad. It just can’t compare.

@@albundy7459 Your comment aged terribly

@@ethan9868 no. You just don’t want anything to be better than a fan made production. I finished all 8 episodes and it was excellent. Tear the wall down in your own mind.

Glad you enjoyed it

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Ave Amicus! Of course I remember you! How could I forget?! I may speculate on something similar in a video someday. With this though, the answer would be no. Caesar doesn’t accept ideas that are not his and the Khans identity and beliefs are completely annihilated when they are assimilated. I wish we could see legion horses that would be sick!

I could have been more specific and probably used an image if the Scipio I was referring to, which I did look but couldn’t find a good one. I was speaking of Scipio the consul and father to Scipio Africanus, who faced off against Hannibal in Italy. Sure, I could have made it a point to include the Senate and Tiberius Sempronius Longus, and continued on to talk of Scipio Africanus, to distinguish the two, but this isn’t a video on Roman History.

Sure

I think the implication from the end slides is that it officially ends the war, but I bet people on both sides are very salty about it

@@theneocyphernah it’s only for the Mojave chapter The council of elders and high elder are still technically at war with the NCR in a stalemate.

Sure is

I guess we will find out when the show airs

@@theneocypher Yep good video though if u want my honist openion the brotherhood is like the encalve they will never go away and always have pockets of activity all over the US

@@Badazzgamer43The Brotherhood might as well be in charge of the entire dam country at this point with how often they show up.

@@Son_Kar Brotherhood and enclave kinda are. They have pockets of activity everywhere. Ull never truely be rid of them. Overwelm one brotherhood chapter Like in california and all they have to do is send a distress call. and airships will arive. wich is probably what happend with the NCR.

Oof. Should someone tell him about shady sands.

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Had the show not butchered the NCR, na’ you trippin *Unless Liberty Prime show up*

@@nestor7408 They ain't doing shit against Maxson BoS who have the whole Capital Wasteland and Commonwealth under their command. Also T60 is a standard issue to Knights and Paladins. NCR can't even win against a bunch of machete wielding fux, how'd you expect them to beat Eastern BoS with more advanced technology than Western BoS?

​​​​@@gurararawr nope don't think so NCR still can win, if they got 1000 platoon loses casualties can be replaced easy in single day, and NCR have a technology to build their monoplane aircraft as close air support and tactical bomber (WW2 tech) that already built more than a thousand, while the brotherhood nah they can't replace their loses because they are schizophrenic to recruit outsider unless they doing suicide mission succeed just like they order the vault dweller in fallout 1 and chosen one in fallout 2 "B-but why in New Vegas NCR are weak why none of these technology you mentioned are not deployed in New Vegas" There 2 reason for that: 1. Mojave campaign of NCR is not popular back west majority of NCR people doesn't support imperialistic they do or majority of population doesn't hear the story in the Mojave This statement is reinforced by an npc named ranger hanlon if you talk to him. 2. Fallout new Vegas supposed to have more map and supposed to more larger and another mechanic such driving vehicle but Bethesda decide to tell obsidian that they have 18 month to complete the game and using the same engine like fallout 3

Bruh the Minutmen and their old ass artillery blew the Prydwen to hell.

@@Priceluked with the help of who? oh that's right us, the player character. No one would survive with the interference of the player characters. Remember Frank? he lost cus of plot. Remember the Enclave in F03? they lost cus of the player character. Edit: Also in FNV, the NCR won't win against the Legion if not for the courier. They weak af

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@@theneocypher great thanks

We will know soon enough

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@@theneocypher okk thanks

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They had more resources? They solely depended heavily on dwindling scavenged pre-war resources, not to mention the collapse of the economy due to losing the gold mine, a failed Mojave campaign, Brahmin Barron's milking them dry, corruption within their politics, loss of their leadership after shady sands, and finally the BOS delivering the finishing blow to their remnants. It's like Caesar said. It lost its virtue and no longer serves the greater good. It wasn't built to last, only to have the inevitable hasten by vault tec and its carcass pick off by vultures in power armor and raiding gear.

Great analysis!

I hate that criticism of Bethesda like they’re trying to keep the wasteland uncivilized, that’s not even remotely true if you think about it. You purify the water in Fo3 and in Fo4 you can join multiple factions and even build your own from the ground up on the side and even use them in the main quest if you choose to.. The fact that the new mechanics introduce settlement building which actually is actually giving you the reigns to civilize the commonwealth where as everything in NV happened off screen. Thats such a terrible take, and furthermore the NCR has a lot of major problems crippling them so having them just progress without setbacks isn’t really that ideal or compelling. Yes they’re the largest and most organized faction it’s also bloated and corrupt. General Oliver is an incompetent muppet raised to his status due to political favor and isn’t ready to face Legate Lanius and House is really the only one ruling the Mojave. The expansions under President Kimball is spreading them thin with a resurgent BoS in the show and a seemingly inevitable defeat in the Mojave will put the NCR on life support.

@@sercravenmohead3631 That's liberally what they said in their press conference years back, that you as the "player" that can change the outcome so the stories and that change is moving with you (project purity and minuteman) you as the player are the one that rebuilding the wasteland, not the NPC. While the other studios already have a head start on the west coats so they choose NV as their wasteland (both are the same in tha manner), we can see how both try to update their stories and lore with time but Bethesda as the "owner" of Fallout will keep it as a wasteland (3, 4 and NV but at the same time we got update from DC and Cali) this is the spirit of the new Fallout story and its diffrent from the midwest era. Without wasteland of some kind, there will be no Fallout. It's their new niche, that's why they made the old playground as a nest for the factions turf, so when we as a player move on to the next playground the old faction already become a nation but we won't be playing in that civilized area (might be in small quantity).

@@adeptusmechanicushyspasist3529 Well yeah it just wouldn’t be fallout if it wasn’t a wasteland, it pushes plots for improving quality of life and banding together factions that control the wasteland but it’s never gonna be a post nuclear reboot. It will exist in “stasis” to preserve the identity and setting. I think both Obsidian and Bethesda are consistent about this, they don’t want to over do it and make the mistake of changing Fallout from its roots. I see the East coast as being the “less civilized” because massive factions have yet to grow and consolidate it. Which in the Commonwealth was attempted but as the player you can change that with the minutemen, which blows the conspiracy of Bethesda perpetuating the “wasteland” when you’re proactively trying to help build civilization.

the FO4 BoS is absolutely nation building, and so is the show BoS, by apperances. Honestly, if there was a full power west BoS versus full power Legion, BoS wins. The Legion struggle with beating the mojave Brotherhood into retreat in their ending (where you don't blow up the bunker), and this is after they lost half their combatants. take a look at what happened to the Legion when they try hunting down a single veritbird fire team, too. the Legion might be able to replace their losses somewhat easier then the BoS (they can go annex another tribe, but this takes work, or if they're really desperate they could start recruiting from their tribute settlements) but Legion tactics just don't work against a force like the BoS. The Legion try to be a flowing, overruning force, but the BoS are a twenty foot high brick wall, and they didn't bring any sledgehammers.

they had a lot more problems and they didn't exactly just 'eat' the loss of their gold. the problem with making their money fiat is that it made it more and more worthless the farther you get away from core NCR territory. when you get to washington state or eastern nevada it'd basically be worthless because many of those people are never going to do business with the NCR or maybe even NCR based merchants. they also wouldn't trust the word of a government who just goes 'trust me bro this stack of paper is worth your food bro trust' with 0 guarantee. this is why caps and denarii are worth something - you have a material guarantee that no matter what, the money you have will always be worth the same. with the NCR they could just print a million new hundred dollar bills and you're fucked.

you missed the Raid on the Gold Standard wich the BoS winned and many more battles

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The NCR wasn’t conquered by the brotherhood… it was butchered by horrible writers from the show with no lore background. Where did you see the Brotherhood winning here?

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@@tahmkench118 PS I was trying to retcon new Vegas but couldn’t because of you pesky fans

Enclave tried to commit Genocide on the entire population. 3 times after they nearly succeeded the first time.

The NCR is just the corrupt USA stuck on repeat... Government, Never Changes...

Yeah same

What about it?

Famous last words

I think its a red herring.

Kai-sar is the proper Latin pronunciation of the Latin name and title Caesar. Also, it’s how members of the Legion refer to him in the game itself.

@@theneocypher oh actually? i didnt know. thx man, keep up the great work!

Of course! Thanks for watching!

I think the NCR was already starting to have problems in NV food being an issue I think, and their dollar that they created crashed not leaving much faith from its citizens. It's a possibility to collapse in a few years

It's like Caesar said, "Greed, corruption, overdependance on scavenged resources instead of making something new, no longer serves the greater good, and loss of virtue. It wasn't built to last and only hastening the inevitable by powerful factions

Have you actually considered the position of the NCR? They were in a two front war with both the Brotherhood and the Legion, the former of which destroyed their economy, then they lost the Dam, and then their capital got deleted. This is as weak as they will ever get, so anyone that doesn't like them, both on the inside and outside, would strike now while they're down, that's not something you just shrug off.

BoS > Enclave > NCR

Shady Sands says what?