Legion vs. NCR Military 

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One side has M16s and body armor. The other has machetes and football gear.

The one irony of the Legion using Hydra as a medicine is how addictive it can be as seen in Camp Forlorn hope. But then again, it's extremely effective and restore all crippled limbs, unlike a doctor bag, unless you're not playing on Hardcore.

I just finished Lonesome Road as a Legion aligned Courier and I quickly realised the Ulysses provides enough Legion backstory to the Courier for him/her to truly begin to comprehend it as a faction, thus eventually making Courier a better leader.

The fact there is no right or wrong answer in the topic of the Mojave’s future proves how amazingly crafted new vegas is. Especially if you add mods you see a glimpse of what obsidian really wanted to di

I've always loved the martial aspect of the legion combined with their design. I'm more of a fan of fantasy medieval settings, and the legion were the perfect representation of that in a post-apocalyptic setting. Running at enemies with machetes, and making armor from trophies of fallen foes. The whole armor thing with centurions is also really cool, and I wish we got to see some variation in their armor. Like maybe a centurion with armor incorporating bones of a deathclaw.

The NCR won't go quietly, the Legion can count on that

I despise the legion, but im not stupid enough to say they wouldnt win without Courier intervention

I love that people are still making fallout content I'm glad to see I wasn't alone playing these games back in the day knowing they were something special

I prefer the NCR simply because it ensures freedom, although the ncr is corrupt i do believe its possible to save through reform, the legion on the other hand will most likely pillage the mojave and will enslave a decent amount of its inhabitants, also i do believe that the legion will get overstratched trying to conquer the ncr and ceaser thinks its an inevitability so will most likely get arrogant and will probably suffer a cirppling defeat either at the hub or maybe baker

FOR THE REPUBLIC! ONWARD!

I'm from radking's video about the Legion/NCR war and love the way you speak about the Legion. Very immersive and well written! I am pro NCR, but I can't always appreciate great work! Keep it up and I can't wait to catch up on your vids!

Ave, brother. True to Caesar

Patrolling the mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.

Vetran Rangers are what was the Desert Rangers formerly. It is a bit confusing, I know, I'll explain it in a simple manner. The Desert Rangers used to operate in Arizona and Nevada, they are a bunch of survivolists who knows how to survive the desert, post war, they turned into an armed version of the Followers of the Apocalyspe specializing in helping small communities against raiders and teaching their skills to anyone who wants to join. Their favorite gear was the pre war riot gear. Some time after the Legion got established, they got kicked out by the Legion forces, they chased them down all the way to Nevada and the group dwendling numbers and power forced them to join the NCR. When they joined, they got an official disignation of "Vetran Rangers" and they are a complitley different entity to the NCR Rangers. The gun they get is after their service with the NCR, as for why some of them have the gun and other don't, some Desert Rangers left Arizona long before the treaty. We even had a Desert Ranger companion in Fallout 1, I think his name was Taico and he wore a pre war riot gear armor.

My banner shall control the Mojave, render unto Yes Man

It’s harder than you think to decide which side would be better for the wasteland. I ultimately would choose Caesar because the brutality of the legion in its current state is more of a reflection of the nature of its territory and it’s necessary military doctrine. Caesar does state once the NCR is conquered they will become an amalgamation of the legion and NCR. The NCR is far too corrupt and to be fair seems to be on the brink of civil war due to the huge class warfare between the political and business class, which we see through the exploitation of the NCR civilians and market fixing by Crimson Caravan, Van Graffs and Brahmin barons.

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Both have their pros & cons.

For the NCR lads we die till the end

Yay, another Caesar's Legion video!

Ave, true to Caesar

This is an awesome video man love the visuals

I think one thing I took noticed which was maybe left out of the video is how the Legion employs a form a diplomacy within the region such as Tribals to eliminate a rival one or to coherse them into join them by proving the worth of said tribe. Such as seen in Honest Hearts and the Great Khans. The Khans would've had everything stripped of their identity, or be killed for the failure at the battle. It was also mentioned in the Video about the Stirp and the Fiends both being used but I think that was a minor brush to the side that fact that the Legion has employed in some forms of dimplomacy to gain an advantage. I think with Van Graffs the Legion was doing arms dealing at some point. But awesome video none the less! Listened to it while driving to my hair cut.

If the courier would just be shot, the Legion would easily win. But if the Legion isn't transformed( like ceaser wants), the Legion would fall apart when ceaser or the legaten dies. And you earned yourself a new subscriber, I really enjoyed the video

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Is this really a question? The NCR won't send more troops to new vegas, and every NCR you talk to is considering suicide. The only reason they win at hoover dam is because of the courier.

this just makes the legion seem even cooler

Liked the video a lot! Only thing that was a bit to make-believe was the estimated numbers portion. Just because a colonel/legate would have so and so many troops doesn't mean much for the NCR and Legion. A Decanus would have had 8 (+servants) under his command, but a CL-Decanus has 4. It just shows that we can't trust old regimental standards for these armies anymore, even though they were inspired by it. What i loved the most about the video was how you made clear that both factions are extremely invested in this conflict. Lanius literally comes directly from another conflict and the NCR conscripts like crazy to get meat for the meat grinder

Whoever made the animations needs a raise. Awesome job

Wow what an interesting video, really enjoyed watching this

bru I'm the majority of the way through the video and I'm super conflicted now on which side I should take in the war I've played Vagas but never got that far yet, so this is a real head scratcher for me now thanks to these videos on the legion vs ncr

Thanks for the video

After installing Titans of the New West I've been completely Brotherhood pilled and convinced that they wipe both factions off the face of the Earth with enough suits.

I gotta disagree with the idea that both sides have the bulk of their millitary in the Mojave. Lanius isnt concerned about the stability of the legion, just "the east". The east being the area he had recently conquered. He's already near the dam by the time you talk to him about it. Meaning he'd still have at least a decently sized garrison to keep it stable since it was only conquered recently. Moreover in he end credits of the game you see the legion establishing garrisons at pretty nuch every area they take. The caravan guy mentions the roads always being safe, which would require many men to do given the nature of fallout, and the fact that they take slaves and recently conquered the east in what was apparently a major campaign means that theres a whole major area thats undergoing recruitment (lets just call it that lol) even as Lanius is talking to you. So thats at least 86 garrisons from Caesar, however many more from Lanius and Gragams campaigns, however many it takes to keep the roads safe (and again... it's fallout, that will NOT be a small number), plus however many are controlled by other centurions and such on any other campaigns. For the NCR the troops constantly complain about not receiving enough men despite conscription. As you said they had the rangers and elite troops protecting the brahman barons. The soldiers have no isea just how far the legion has really pushed in, General Oliver doesn't seem to take the threat of the legion as seriously as he should, and as you've said NCR troops are primarily out on patrol. Id say probably 10K with the NCR like you said since they based their millitary on the pre war U.S But for the Legion id say at LEAST 15K. Caesar most definitely wouldn't let some legate have a larger force than himself. And you also forget that the fiends, khans, white legs, and omertas all support Caesar. Which is likely between a few hundred to at most a thousand more (all depends on what their nunbers are supposed to be lore wise).

A nice in depth video.

"If we rush them, they can't kill all of us." -Legion

Kinda ironic that Caesar's Legion fights more like Gauls and Germanic tribes while the NCR acts more like the Roman Empire with establishing forts and outposts

THE GREAT BEAR FLAG RAAAA 🦅🦅🦅🧸🧸🧸

Legionaries are coded to have more HP than an NCR trooper, but said trooper is usually equipped with better armor

True to Caesar

I would love a New Vegas sequel as I really love the game but sadly it will never happen great video tho

Ave, true to Caesar🙋‍♂

Ooh. I just had a cool idea pop into my head. Make a game series that has multiple endings. And when you come out with sequals, ask the player what ending they chose in the previous game. The sequal has factions that survived in the sequel. And then NEVER SAY WHATS CANON EVER!! Canon is exclusive to the players' individual choices. 😁👍

For The NCR!! For the Mojave!!. We shall live forever!!. Or die trying!!.

Ave, Trve To Caesar

"Due to the unforseen destruction of the Divide" my ncr courier: oopsie

one of the best videos ever

This is me being silly and is only somewhat related, but maybe something about the radiation (and mild FEV exposure for those who lived close to Mariposa when it exploded) has altered the human body to the point where taking a couple of bullets without instantly dying is feasible for the average wastelander, and that's why melee weapons became prevalent again post-war? I don't necessarily believe it, but that line of thinking could justify things like tribals, Caesar's Legion, etc being a threat to more industrialized and better equipped factions.

For the Republic!

Alright nerds, the Legion is advancing on our front. What do we say?

Ave centurion with is the mod you use for the legion? And can you link it

Ave.....

Let’s be honest the Legion is primitive primitive versus more modern, 98% of the time primitive loses plus totalitarianism never really last long

13:00 is that a fan made? That looks amazing. Anyone know whats it called?

The 1960’s United States Army vs Atomwaffen in plastic sports pads

Render unto Caesar, what is Caesar’s and unto God, what is God’s.

I’m surprised with how much they are going for a pure Roman military, they don’t use bulletproof shields at the very least. If they have numbers and have a heavy melee army against ranged enemies it only makes sense. It makes them look more barbaric to just have them rush enemies with a fire axe or machete as a mob, rather than a cohort

20:32 What is that clip from?

Long live the NCR! Screw the Legion!

Retribution!

For the REPUBLIC!

Vive la République !! This video was really great !!

6:30 beat me to it :)

The NCR lacks certain modern equipment that even the armies of ww1 have, like if the NCR can set up a factory to make water cooled machine guns and can make the ammo on mass a Legion wouldn’t even last a hour against a simply encampment. The NCR has the capability to become a truly industrialized force even grabbing prewar military knowledge could help substantial California has the luck of having military and old war museums that could be looted for more useful knowledge and technical manuals on war. It requires though a competent government and military structure that can restructure it self around countering mass human wave attacks.

Melee in real life wouldn’t do as good as in game. The NCR would have and easier time in open confrontations compared to the legion

Love how they didn't stop at gund vs old football gear, but they got deeper and deeper in how both factions managed the war effort. They have guns? Use guerrilla tactics, terrorism, espionage, hit and run, funding raiders and opposition parties. They have a huge army? Use the small rangers squad, use superior logistics, prepare deeper defense line to wither their numbers, deploy traps. Ultimately we have the ultimate military machine, with no capacity of building its own social and cultural structure outside of Caesar (conquering New Vegas is for this exact motive, all that Hegelian dialectics thing), and on the other side the ultimate emulators of the liberal capitalistic old world, with all the technological advantages and political disadvantages; there are troopers who actually believe in their liberties, but deserting is not unheard of. The best of the best are not just the physical best, but, befitting NCR's political standing, the Rangers are hard-working, smart and inventive, highly dedicated to the Republic's ideals

I got one word for ya, RANGERS!!!!

as much as i like both of them for their aesthetics i dont think either is a good choice for the mojave in their current form , the ncr is expanding to its own detriment and a host of other issues while the legion is extremely nebulous and i cant quite put a finger on them outside of the obvious nonsense like slavery etc etc but i suspect that is due to the fact that a lot of their content is missing , also 19:22 is more copium from NCReddit

Discord link don't work :(

Vulpes was spared because of the implication.....

For the republic

Let’s be real, this is all for the game quality and fun. If this was a real battle, a force wearing football pads and 50-60% machetes and spears, is getting hammerstomped by any force wielding modern firearms. Congratulations you’re physically trained to be an elite athlete. You’re still not bum rushing a dude with a M16 pointed at you from 30 yards or more and winning.

Legion fan boys when the realize football pads don’t stop bullets 😦

Caesar's hegalian dialectics don't mean shit when an angry mailman decides to swipe a robot army out from under an insane 200 year old billionaire.

What is all the sick-ass animation??? Where?

This is a good video, but I have to give the NCR the win here due to several factors. First weapons, you may critizize the Republic for not adapting to the legion, but the same could be same for the legions refusual to use "modern" firearms. Second is leadership, if you kill the president of the NCR, he'll be replaced with the vice president or another member within the government. If ceaser dies or is killed, no one knows whos in charge, meaning infighting will happen and will turn into civil war. Lastly is the citizens. Every citizen of the NCR uses guns and really doesn't like the idea of being enslaved. So they would bring asymetric warefare against the legion when they invade california, thus making the war a nightmare to fight in.

We won't go quietly the legion can count on that

NCR and strong

You know its a video game when hockey pads and leather is considered armor vs firearms. 😂

First off the great Kahn’s didn’t fight for Cesar at all. The became peaceful and started making stimpacks

13:31 These Sound Like barbarian tactics and very Not Like actually tactics from Caesar besides maybe forced marches

NCR for me that armour is dope and the guns are great plus I know ncr has its problems but I see it as mostly good legion will fall apart

NCR 💪

If i want to explain ncr and legion to my friend usually this is how it goes Ncr: american my friend Legion:leroy............ Jenkins

NCR 😎

Ave True To Caesar!

should i side with the legion

Ncr all the way

The game has to pull so much to even make the fight competitive. The NCR clears. What happens everytime a random NCR and Legion patrol come across each other? The NCR wipes the floor with them, usually taking no losses or losing 1 guy. The NCR is larger, more advanced, their rank and file troops are better equipped and their high end troops are both better equipped and better trained. The Legion allows no low level decision making, like when Vulpes is threatened with death for making a smart tactical decision. The NCR promotes those that make good tactical decisions. You can say "Vulpes did get promoted" yeah but what about every time Caesar isnt there to bail that smart Legionnaire out and their Centurion kills them? The NCR has the advantage in tactics, equipment, numbers, and firepower. The NCR can conscript citizens, but i dont notice the discussion of the main flaw of the Legion, they have to start a whole new war just to replace their troop numbers. Replacing losses requires an activity that results in more losses, so if one war goes badly they cant replace the manpower. They lose big battles, and they'll lose the war of attrition against the NCR. Ones a developed Society with a functioning government, military, and social structure. The other is the fantasy of a sociopath, a horde of people drawn into one man's cult of personality, one man literally dying of brain cancer during the game and it impedes his decision making! NCR wins easy

SPOILERS FOR THE FALLOUT SHOW!!!! It seems as if House or Yes Man won in the cannon timeline. Do you plan on doing a video on what you think happened or what that means for each respected side?

Yes Men. Always. ❤

If we had lore accurate power armour it's the Brotherhood all the way. Power armour shrugs off all small arms fire so 99% of the firepower available to both these major factions. The only thing holding back the Brotherhood is their, relatively, small numbers. They probably only have 10% of the manpower of the NCR and Legion which means they can't control the vast territories the other factions do.

NCR win

Why is it pronounced Kai-soar? If you’re trying to pronounce it in ancient Latin it would be Kai-Sar but it would most definitely be pronounced as the English See-Zar in fallout universe.

"Women filling in various support roles that keep them out of the fighting, including religious figures, such as priestesses" - first time I've heard about it, where's the evidence of women being anything more than slave breeders in the Legion?

Lol. There can only be one victor? Dunno man. Victor is one security robot and all security robots

Bring back the Malpais Legate

It's a good video but still they aren't winning the ncr is modern army with body armor automatic rifles it doesn't matter how elite your dudes with football pads and machetes are they can't stop bullets

Both are impurities to The Enclave