The New 30-30? 

Yep. 30-30 will still be relevant when my grandkids have grandkids

@@thorseim7177 Funny because we all hunted with Marlins and never had any problems beyond our constant squirming making it hard to see deer.

Agreed, I only use it for mine now and paired with a 1-4 LPVO, it's fantastic for the type of hunting a 30-30 was intended for. With the Hornaday ammo and a 50m zero, it's POA/POI from 25-100m and still in kill zone at 150. I have a BLR in .308 and I find myself grabbing the old Marlin more often.

@@thorseim7177 just had this experience took a niece out shooting recently roughly 15. For the second time and started to figure out what firearms she likes. 38 special revolvers, and my 22lr walther 1911a1, and bolt action 22lr, marlin model 60. Those all passed the test The sks didn't leave a real good impression. On the second trip I tried a mosin nagant just to see her reaction not really recoil sensitive. and my marlin 336cs. A lever action 22lr is right up her alley. The 30-30 marlin she liked alot. I need to get some 30 carbine I think the m-1 carbine will be a favorite. And we have new lady in the hobby.

Hits the still like a brick from 500 feet up and hitting the grand

you could always have both.

Then there is that dang 32 Special................................

@@garyh1449 Or that blasted .35 Remington.

@@garyh1449 plus the older 38-55 , I have the .375 Winchester, a little used round but higher pressure.

My thoughts exactly!

300 Ham’r in ARs is also a better comparison.

@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 30 AR too

7.62x39 and 300 blackout using the same bullet weight are statistically even. 300 blackout is less than 10 fps off the venerable 7.62x39 but it is more versatile and with modern bullets Flys truer I can only speak for myself but if you shoot me with a 7.62x39 or a 300 blackout I'm not going to be able to tell which one hurt more

@@1metalg0d Not true. x39 is anywhere from 100-200fps faster. 300 Ham’r is closer to x39

@@1metalg0d I disagree. 7.62x39 is a much bigger case. A 125 is going over 2300fps

Those Marlins are VERY strong actions! A real solid piece of engineering.

I'm 54. My Granny bought a Model 94 Winchester .30-30 from my uncle and gave it to me for my 14th birthday. I've put much venison in the freezer with that rifle. NEVER lost one. I can't say the same for my Remington .270, which I bought for myself when I was 18. I was looking hard at a Remington 7mm mag, but I consulted an expert, my Dad. He liked the looks, but had me compare the price of 7mm mag to .270 ammo. That's why I have a .270. When it comes down to simply picking one or the other, I'm gonna take that .30-30 out for a walk most every time.

Hitting the right spot is more important than which round you use ..

@@richardsolberg4047 Agreed. It's comes down to what you are most accurate with, and how confident with it that you are.

Granted my father reloads and has created specific bullets for each weight, but he my entire immediate family has harvested animals as small as a coyote with a 90g all the way up to an elk with 165g out of the exact same 30-06.

theyll just stop the ammo supply of it.... they know it works well at its job.

@@constitutionalrepublican1611 they been doing that for all cal. It dont matter what gun you got its getting a lil better but price is up by 3 to 4 dollars more but thats everything right now food,gas,taxes,could keep going on

0.5" groups at what distance?

Wow that is nearly 308 performance!

@@joewoodchuck3824 100yds. using a lead sled. It has a Vortex 2-7 scope. Minus the lead sled...then my old self comes into play. Just about everything I have fed that rifle has performed well. Factory or hand loads. Some guns have a lot of overbore. They used a new reamer when mine got made I suspect. If you seat all bullets to their maker's load manual, it works well. It does not like 170gr bullets at all. Does very well with the Speer 130gr FN as well. Drop down to 110gr and it does poorly. Since I was a kid, I have taken a LOT of deer with a 30-30 of some sort. Given the brush and cedar and rolling hills it is unlikely I need a long shot.

@@sisleymichael Very good!

Different rounds for Ar 15 now like the 224 Valkyrie

Nailed it.

Ballistics is everything. If we can get the same outcome with a relatively smaller round that's important.

Totally. Give my an old lever action for the woods and a suppressed 300 blk for home/property defense.

I thought you were talking about putting the 300 bo in a lever gun at first. The 30/30 ballistics are better and more comparable with the flex tip. I think. I would prefer the 300 hammer over the 300 bo. The one thing I don't like about the 30/30 is it headspaces on the rim. No offense, but comparing the lever gun to that AR makes me want to barf. Have a good one.

Wish more people would talk about the 300 HAM'R!

Absolutely

Still not a great comparison since you're talking about a rimmed, short-action length round primarily for lever guns against an intermediate, rimless, semi-auto round. That said, I'd stick with the earlier 7.62x40, as it has a wider range of usable bullet weights.

30-30AR was the original name of the 300 Ham'r. There's a video where someone was shooting and they said "this thing hammer's" or something like that. I love my 300 Ham'r and wanting to build a 20 inch boltgun if a barrel mfger ever produce them without ordering a reamer to send them.

@@chrisp556 Wilson Combat makes a 300 HAM'R barrel for the Ruger American Ranch now

Do the same in a circa 1911 Savage 1899 takedown. Still perfectly functional and accurate.

Amen

Whoa badass

Released in 1895 friend. Close but it’s been in American sportsman’s hands since 1895 and it’s been wildly popular from inception. Rightly so. When I was a young boy all the boys in deer camp were there with mostly Marlin 336’s in 30-30. I hunt with a Winchester 94 in 30-30 now. Want another presafety 336.

My personal preference is lever action as well. It's just dang enjoyable to shoot. The rifles have character and love put into them, and manual actions just connect woth something primal in me. But AR's CERTAINLY have their place.

Well… even after 30 year in the U.S. Army… I still overwhelmingly prefer my mod 94 carbine in .30-30… 18”x18” gong @ 300yd all day long. - no AR platform with a scope hunting for me. 😎

Fuds... 😂

Lever actions suck. They are clunky as hell, have aweful triggers, take eons to reload, can't be operated well from prone and have a pitiful rate of fire. There is a reason the whole world ditched levers for other designs. They are 1850s technology. Move into the 20th century guys.

Problem with them is they're so damned expensive. My son's first hunting rifle is an AR because you can buy a Palmetto Freedom Rifle kit for less than $375. All of the boomer rifles cost a fortune now. 5.56 too small? Swap out a couple of components and it's a .300 Blackout.

perfect for urban combat too.... behind every blade of grass.....

Sad, but true. Finding brass, bullets, and ammunition for the 35 Remington is a bit hard.

Starting to see it again in my area finally. But still hard to find. But at least now they can order it.

Yeah, just depends on speed. Lest we forget the M16a1 and it's 3200 fps 55gr bullet doing massive damage on soft tissue due to many factors, but mostly speed.

@@life_of_riley88 You bet he was using good 55 gr Nosler bullets at aroun3300 fps. The deer weren't extremely large but they died like struck by lightning. Seriously they dropped in their tracks. When rolled over the damage done by the bullets exit was massives.

@@radamson1 I believe it. It's an absolutely devastating little bullet at that speed.

I haven’t seen a single box of .30-30 in probably two years. It’s my one of my favorite so I’m well stocked but can’t replace it and I don’t like that.

@@blueoval250 Try ammoseek. Cheapest on there right now is Fiocchi at $27 and coreloks are $30 (at cabelas and sportsmans warehouse). So yeah, I'm with you. I have my current stock, but everytime I take a box of $11 ammo to the range, I know I have to spend $30 to replace it

@@blueoval250 Try finding .35 Remington!

We went to 4 different sporting goods/hunting stores in 2 different towns last weekend and could not find a single box of 30-30, 30-06 or 7mm-08. I’ve been looking for the last couple of years and cannot find any of them. Yep, there are plenty of .223, .308 and 5.56 but most of them are FMJ. Where are the deer hunting rounds?

Save your brass and reload or find a friend to reload.

Those are neat old guns that slung that lead too.

Now there is some exaggeration. The modern factory load is 180 gr bullet at 2400 fps. The original military load was a 220 gr bullet at 2000 fps. Your cousin must walk really fast. 😉

100% I use the same mags but in the American ranch bolt action. Both are great and the ammo is still easier to find than for my Marlin.

30 30 performance is better than the Russian cartridge ecpecaily with spritzer bullets and most definitely more effective on game so why would you think that ?

@@jerrystone88567.62x39 provides many more bullet choices than a 30-30.

@@jerrystone8856Just wondering, did you message all the other people that made similar comments?

@@jerrystone8856 Shoot what ever you want, I couldn't care less!!!

That makes exactly zero sense lmao. Keep your 30/30 then, Boomer. Just don't knock those of us advancing in technology

@@BudgOutdoors There’s nothing wrong with technology as you put it. But sometimes in life you reach a point when you realize you don’t need anything better, bigger, or faster to do a job than what you’ve had all along.. it’s a personal thing. I’m sure that one day you will find that out. I’ve taken so many deer with my 30-30 it isn’t funny. It works very well.

@@hawkenman.549 and add hornady lever evolution if you need range. 90% of deer are taken under 90 yards anyway

@@BudgOutdoors Why do stupid people arrogantly call everyone they disagree with “Boomer” or “Fudd”? Do you think we should hate our father’s or old Elmer to please a bunch of gender confused sissies who can’t kill an animal with a tank and blame the cannon? Learn to shoot, then you’ll see you don’t need to “improve” the 50 BMG cartridge to kill a white tail, or even a moose or grizzly. Eskimo’s have been killing polar bears with 22lr for a very long time! 30-30 is PLENTY on whitetail in the hands of anyone who can shoot to at least 200 yards. That’s my personal limit with it on that application because I don’t fancy long tracks and suffering animals. New cartridges don’t actually do anything that wasn’t already done with previous cartridges. 6.5 Creedmore attempted to be “better” than 308 Winchester in the same case. But it’s slower, and only cuts drops by a few inches at extreme ranges but doesn’t retain velocity to be worth a shit at hunting at 308 max hunting ranges 500-600 yards. Partly because of lighter bullets and partly because of bullet construction it won’t punch through and expand both functions, every shot. You’re falling for marketing. They change the cartridge slightly, give it a new name and sell it claiming it’s the answer to lack of marksmanship, but we’re all “old” because we don’t fall for it. Ok. I like my cartridges like gender, without any variation.

@@BudgOutdoors Cartridge advancement hasn’t really happened in a very long time. “New” cartridge isn’t new technology, and my favorite cartridges (because I like them and they do the job excellently) are all old. Even 223 Remington/5.56 NATO was around in the 50’s, 308 Winchester was released in the early 50’s, all the 06 variants were around before then, with 25-06 being invented around 1912 or so if memory serves. It wasn’t adopted by Remington until the 60’s and didn’t really take off until after WW2 but when the war ended and the Army started selling off stockpiles of slower powders the cartridge took off as its performance potential was really optimized by slower powders. Mine loves H4831. I mean loves it! There hasn’t been an honest innovation in firearms design since the AR pattern which was submitted for testing first innthe 1940’s and again by Amry request in the 50’s. You don’t own anything that wasn’t already done and likely better before your copy came around! “Even the fool is considered wise when he holds his tongue”. I’ll explain it for you lazy mellinial, that means even fools are considered wise (smart and intelligent beyond his years) when he doesn’t speak at all. The reason is you’re learning to just shut up. Enjoy that “high tech new” rifle that was developed in the 50’s at the latest. Genius

You might be right but I believe it’s negligible. Ammo availability on 300 blk is a little broader for premium rounds and also the 300 cycles subs reliably if using semi auto. Both are great rounds and will take a whitetail no problem

7.62 x 39 doesn't outperform 30 30 Winchester with the right loads in any way . The 30 30 is a hotter round with heavier bullets . Also you can tell a big difference when you shoot game .

If you can drop hogs with 7.62x39 then 300blk would drop a deer

@@HUNTERCOPELR Oh I'm sure with in 100 or so yds

@@williammccaslin8527 more like 300 yards, with 125 grain bullets...

@@forkthepork thought was supposed to be the whisper quiet round out to 100 yds with a Hollywood whisper quiet silencer, an use 220 gr bullets, not 125 gr which would make a sonic crack when you light it off, correct me if I'm wrong.

@@williammccaslin8527 you're wrong 😂 It's for all of that, plus shooting supersonic bullets accurately out to intermediate ranges with deadly terminal ballistics.

Thanks David. I appreciate it.

Mr. Spomer is this you or some hacker?

@@Thetailofthetrident No, it is not him. These scammers are plague on RU-vid at the moment.

@@jic1Thanks man! Those scammers will burn in the hereafter! 🔥

X39 and 300 blk perform so similarly that picking between the 2 should instead be relegated to the old AR15 vs AK47 debate. Pick which rifle you like best and rock it in its respective cartridge

@@TheGunNerd Thank you!

My first 25 years of hunting I took my deer with a Ruger mini 30, whereas all of my friends were shooting lever action Marlins. So I guess now I get my revenge

I like the idea of the 110 barnes load, but haven’t tried it yet on deer or antelope.

@@phild9813 I've shot deer with a 110gr V-max hot loaded at Hornady's recommended spec for 3400fps out of a remington 700 30-06 and at that speed it was like a lightning strike. No pass throughs, but extreme organ damage. If the barnes 110 is a monolithic bullet I'd imagine it would have plenty of penetration.

@@paulcallicoat7597 just remember that lever action was an army weapon at one time and I don't think any Indians will be attacking anytime soon

@@phoghat the US military never used a lever gun. not officially. maybe an officers special carry. the first repeater the Army used was the .30 Krag.

Problem with that round its .310 cal and little bullet selection bound fmj

Exactly my thought, especially with the Barnaul soft point rounds , The 7.62x39 has a ton of knockdown power.

@@bluesbondsman check out Tula’s HP, I really like them and they are priced right

Federal Power-Shok 123g 762x39 SP is the perfect round for deer in woods. If you can't see more than 150 yards you don't shoot more than 150 yards.

@@Logan-zz5vg 308 bullets shoot fine in my rifles

Look into 6mm ARC. Imagine necking down 6.5 Grendel to 6mm, and as a result skyrocketing the energy

Good info thank you

300 HAM'R is everything a 300 Blackout super sonic wishes it was. 300 HAM'R is arguably superior to 30-30 because of the advantages of the AR15 platform. The 30-30 lever action is limited by bullet design due to the tubular magazine and the manual action cycling limiting quick/accurate follow up shots.

300 Ham’r is bad ass. I have developed 155gr and 160gr.

I've killed alot of deer with my 30.06 but this year I decided to switch to hunting with an AR platform, I picked up a 300blk upper from bear creek arsenal for a great price, haven't heard of 300 hamr, can it be fired out of a 300 blk barrel? P.s. drew from S.buff ? Like bread of life ?

@@dickbiggerjr3613 lol yes the very same. And no it’s a different barrel. Wilson combat makes them.

Sure you did!

Barnes FTX, eh?

@@shaunsonus They're actually Barnes VorTX or something. Something TX.

Get yourself a 30-30 too and you won’t regret it! I use both but definitely like having the 30-30. They are pretty cheap if you grab a used Marlin

If you ever feel like you need more rifle than 223 step up to an AR-10 same feel and controls and you can get those in 308, 6.5 creedmoor as well as a few other cartridges all the way up to 300 win short mag if you are fine with reloading but either 308 or 6.5 are great options if you need something more

Check out the Henry long ranger, new twist old dog. Removable mags. Scope mounts. Not all states let you hunt with a semiautomatic. Old is good.. Learn hunting from the old timers, and 2 apples for hunting, I'll let them explain. Used surplus guns, mosens, SML mk 2 Enfield, 303 Brit. ( corrosive primers in surplus ammo) . Fun journey. Check out Paul hurrell , uses chronograph, and answers the questions we always wondered, no hype just facts. Could win a bar bet.check out the meat target. Enjoy the woods, and the solitude.

@@imperialwhovian3461 I’d love one! Just haven’t wanted to drop the money on one. I live in the south East so we don’t get crazy long shots

If you still wanted to have more flexibility but a small package a 16 inch 308 would be a good choice or if you want more of a brush gun 450 bushmaster offers great performance at or above many factory 45-79 loads

theyll stop making the ammo. its their intention.

Not dissing the new one, some of these new calibers are for sure good and thought out with years of experience to look at. Thanks again Ron 🎥💯👍

old pachmayr mount? i liked those too

Ballistics not in your consideration.

@@asherdie why would you ask that? if you're shooting the 350 legend in the 150 grain whitetail season XP from Winchester sight in 3 inches high you're going to be about dead on at 200.

@@robertchapman4488 wasn't a question.

@@asherdie Hmmm 🤔 ? Since the 30 30 Winchester has got a 127 Year Headstart and there's Probably around 20 million rifle's floating around out there chambered in it . How could ballistics mean a damn thing anyway ?

@@jerrystone8856 try again, this time make sense.

I agree

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Hornady too, lol

@@reloadnorth7722 lol

Why they all three are so close a deer will never know the difference.

Now this it true and disclaimer I own both but to really get all of the 30/30 with the ftx’s you about need 24 inches of barrel

@@365674 that’s just not true

Do you reload or use factory ammo?

Glad to hear it. Yes it doesn’t tear up a lot of meat, but provides more than adequate penetration and recoil so moderate I think all 10-11 year olds in the woods were shooting 30-30

@@ashleywoolnough4884 I use Hornady 150 grain round nose interlocks with BLC(2) powder. Works really well in the woods for me.

@@308dad8 ..yep, many a YOUNG hunter’s been in deer camps handling the .30-30 Win over the generations.

@@Lauterbach24 I have some BLC(2) powder that I'll have to try. I've been using IMR 3031 with 150 gr. Hornady's.

Didn't you mean 2903fps? 30 RAR is a great little cartridge.

@@LRRPFco52 😂 yeah. Fat fingers and little buttons. Yeah. I love my Remington 30 ar. It shoots right at 1moa at 100 yards. Shoots 150 grain cor loct and 125 bt within an inch of one another at 100 yards. Never understood why it didn't take off. Maybe it was timing thing.

@@jackvaniciaadams4089 Freedom Group bought Remington and DPMS. DPMS had been working on the GII, which was a really small frame AR-10. That sucked up all the wind behind the R-15 in 30 RAR. 30 RAR is a great little hunting cartridge for sure. I'm looking for a complete rifle. My buddy bought cases upon cases of ammo for it that our LGS had in the back.

@@LRRPFco52 yeah I purchased mine in 2015 and stocked up on ammo. Still have a bunch of factory ammo. Good luck finding a complete rifle, hope you get one.

I agree and given the fact that the vast majority of 150 gr spire point bullets don’t expand below 1900 fps it’s a terrible choice for deer hunting. Your basically hunting with fmj. The 30-30 with Hornady 160 gr FTX will wallop deer out to 250 yards. Totally agree on the lighter Barnes for the 300 Blackout. You have to be careful looking at energy only when choosing hunting loads. The bullet has to expand otherwise you’re going to lose an awful lot of deer.

No offense, but have you hunted with any load you’re talking about? I have, and on a LOT of different game. 90% of subsonics will NOT expand, I have tried majority of subsonics hunting loads and literally 90%-95% of the time it ice picks the animal. Hell, I use the cheapest Barnes hollow point on the market you get from academy, it’s 120 grain and it’s their poor boy hollow point, cheapest one they make. I have consistently dropped HUGE game and only needed one shot. Matter of fact I put down a 300 lb boar with one shot at 120 yards last weekend. Dropped him instantly, one kick and he was dead. 300 blackout is very capable if you know how to shoot. I’ve literally never heard a real hunter say use subsonics lol, the exact opposite actually, and I’m one of those hunters that actually practice what I preach.

@@RepublicofTX I was talking about subsonic specific projectiles. Go look at Maker Rex bullets. They make projos that expand at sub velocities. I believe I said "designed to open at those velocities". You need to read the entire post before you comment.

@@RepublicofTX And, no offense, but your a tool.

@@RepublicofTX Yeah and all the bow hunters are terribly unethical for shooting deer at 300 FPS. I also don't believe anything after someone says, "as a matter of fact". My guess is that you are 12 or at least that level of aptitude.

X39 mimics the speeds of the 30-30 in it's two popular bullet weights, 123-125 and 150. 30-30 150gr generally 2350-2400 fps, 170gr generally 2100-2200 fps. The 7.62x39 does the same numbers with 20-25gr lighter spritzer bullets. Both are solid all around 150 yards caliber for medium sized game.

Those 150gr 300blk ballistics are totally achievable and you can even close that gap more with the right hand load

Strong actions are only half of the equation. The case on a 30-30 is not built for high-pressure loads either. I have hand loaded the 30-30 in the 99 Salvage, the Thompson Center, Stevens single shot, and of course sever versions of lever action rifles. None were capable of much of an increase in performance.

@Paul Barnes 110 grain TTSX or TAC-TX hand loaded in a 300 blackout can be a mean deer, hog, or home defense load. I am really rooting for 300 blackout to become a mainstream caliber. It is stupidly versatile! Best part of the blackout is that because it uses pistol powders, you don't lose a whole lot when shooting it from short barrels. My blackout is a pistol and I would take it hunting with absolute confidence.

Depending on what “game “ your hunting for and most important the environment

how is it more energy at same weight and slower moving, that dont add up in the world of physics?

This last year I helped a friend sell nearly 200 Winchester lever guns. Most were 30-30. They must be very popular because in each auction they sold rapidly at higher prices than I had expected. The one that brought the most was a collects one and it was a Chevy Model which I never even knew existed before. The John Wayne models garnered the most bids.

@@russellkeeling4387 it's mostly collectors. Very few people buy them to hunt with.

@@forkthepork You don’t think many folks but 30-30s to hunt with?

@@guaporeturns9472 not where I live. Maybe in the south or someplace that doesn't allow semiautomatic rifles.

@@forkthepork Tons of people hunt the brushy west coast with lever action 30-30s

A 300 blk bolt or lever action would be nice.

I think the .357 mag could kill a deer if you keep it within 50 yards. If you choose that route, I would recommend Hornady LEVERevolution loads. They seem to be the hottest loads. You could take a deer a little farther than that but I think I would keep it within 50 yards as I would with archery equipment.

If you are running full power 357mag out of a rifle you will have no trouble out to 100 yards easily, just put the bullet in the right place. Remember that the 357mag got its reputation from being used for big game hunting, at range, from an 8" revolver, and in a rifle it becomes a whole different animal. With a slow powder like Lil'Gun you can get performance on par with 300blk without exceeding factory pressures, and with custom bullets you can load heavier subsonic bullets than 300blk can handle. I have a 12" Encore in 357 which will push 245gr cast bullets to 1400fps with "+P" loads and 310gr bullets to just below the sound barrier. More barrel length would do even better.

@@Daekar3 i agree, 100 yds no issue ive done it with a marlin 357....

I have a Marlin 1894 in.357 and was wondering the same thing. I got it because it is fun to shoot but I might use it this fall.

@@Daekar3 With the Marlin 1894 In 357 mag that I own the maximum overall cartridge length is limited to 1.6 inches. If it is longer than that the cartridge nose will hang up in the receiver at the end of the magazine tube and cannot be lifted up to feed into the chamber effectively jamming the rifle. When loading with heavy bullets it is important to know the maximum cartridge overall length the rifle can handle.

@@winstonjones7519 use a tipped bullet not just a hollow point. I had some issues with hollow points not expanding early on. Thankfully it seems like manufacturers saw that too because I haven't seen any HP ammo in awhile.

@@winstonjones7519 is that the vor-tx or tac-tx one? Thats my go to load.

So would a 50 bmg.