The new Lich system is a game changer! (Here's how) | Warframe

Подписаться 108 тыс.

Просмотров 110 тыс.

50% 1

With 27 adversary weapons to get in total, it's about time we had some bad luck prevention. This video explores just how big of an impact its really makes to everyone's farming experience.
⏬ But wait there's more! ⏬
Join this channel to get access to perks:
ru-vid.comjoin
Twitch: / thekengineer
Patreon: / thekengineer
Discord: / discord
Twitter: / thekengineer
Need help actually killing your Kuva Lich? This will make it easy: • Liches are easy to kil...
Thumbnail and end screen expertly crafted by Bibiscular Designs. Check them out! bibisculardesigns.wordpress.com/
All frames, abilities, names, and game assets are the property of Digital Extremes.
Closed captions provided by Malysitos

Игры

Опубликовано:

16 фев 2022

Ссылка:

Скачать:

Готовим ссылку...

Добавить в:

Мой плейлист

Посмотреть позже

Комментарии : 301

@rhettorical 2 года назад

An RNG system that keeps the extremely lucky feeling extremely lucky, while placing a clear limit on how unlucky you can be, is a good system. Progress should be based on player effort, with luck granting the possibility of reducing effort. I like this change.

@koopa6_412 2 года назад

Honestly needs to be placed on every grind in the game IMO.

@CelestialDraconis 2 года назад

If they implemented this across the entire game, it might actually be better and I wouldn't burn out as quickly, knowing that I'm not going to be screwed over by RNG.

@RuneRauland 2 года назад

@@koopa6_412 I agree with that. This is a great quality of life improvement that could benefit the game as a whole. I honestly enjoy warframe a lot, but the time investment and grinds can be extreme at times. Systems to negate bad luck would, as Ken says, make the player more rewarded for putting in their effort.

@SamanthaLaurier 2 года назад

You took the thought I couldn't shape into words And you said it perfectly

@BloodyInitiate 2 года назад

Shame they didn’t put this into place before who knows how many people burned out

@giokazephyn354 2 года назад

At first, I didn’t like how the blacklist was hidden from players, or that the only way to reset it is going all the way through, but I realized that’s actually a strength. It makes it a completely invisible pity system. A player doesn’t have to know any of this, they just keep making attempts until they get the desired weapon, just like before.

@sawyerpartney 2 года назад

I’m okay doing 19 45-second missions. Not okay with doing ~50. This is amazing.

@YISP7 2 года назад

How are you doing a Sister run including Granum in 45sec? That's just not happening.

@sawyerpartney 2 года назад

@@YISP7 45sec per capture run on Cassani

@edschramm6757 Год назад

I spent around 8 hours trying to get a Hek lich to spawn prior to this system. Considering my average clear speed was 1:15-1:30, and a 15-30 second reset time, I probably took upwards of 200 captures to get the gun to spawn once for me

@LocksLifeLove 2 года назад

I've been around for a hot minute (before liches) and have never really had a _strong urge_ to get one based on the potential grind to get one of the few weapons I would even want. This change has got me looking sideways at liches and contemplating getting _all the weapons now_ ... If that isn't a testament to it being a good change/move I don't know what would be.

@635574 2 года назад

If I didnt have the best rng except for tha grattler i wouldnt bother hunting liches either. Its not fun enough to make me try minmax shit or get last vengeful ephemera

@Jes9119 2 года назад

I hope you don't like your forma, they are a huge forma and time sink to max them all out. I didn't realize what I was getting into until I had spent 80 on just those alone. Nothing else has gotten a build completed on them until I finished all these and even now I'm afraid to forma anything else because of the chance 5 of each weapons could be added. And now I'm just hoarding forma and i have ptsd over how i went from 100 spare to almost none after a few months.

@michaelkochalka3251 2 года назад

same!

@lexslate2476 2 года назад

There are some fun kuva weapons. Score a kuva nukor.

@IplayTeemoasaWard 2 года назад

@@Jes9119 If you only want a full build, kuva weapons are MORE FORMA EFFICIENT, they give you ranks above 30 remember. But yeah if you NEED the mastery its gonna be forma drought for weeks

@Ksportin 2 года назад

This is exactly the sort of thing I wanted in Warframe. A run that fails to get the loot you wanted, actually makes progress towards getting your desired loot, so each run is making progess.

@DennisLi626 2 года назад

I remember when I tried to get a kuva bramma lich for 5+ hours (over 200 attempts) just to get a 28% one. I’m happy for this change but feel like this new system came out a little too late

@proximityclockworkx1572 2 года назад

They always make critical fixes way too late, like with the murmur changes. I usually farm out everything by the time they are deciding to fix it....

@CelestialDraconis 2 года назад

Or that time they changed the required amount of toroids to 10+ down to 5, after I already finished ranking up Vox Solaris. Happy for the newcomers who don't have to go through that awful grind, but still feelin kinda miffed lol

@BLOrtega 2 года назад

@@CelestialDraconis Oh yeah the toroid requirements lmao, boy those grinds weren't fun at all

@linhle8294 2 года назад

True but this will help new players... i feel old now

@Reru_Gairu 2 года назад

Finally I can stop getting 3-7 Tenet Diplos in a Row, and then after that getting a Tenet Cycron just to go back and start the Diplos streak again..... While actually trying to get a Flux Rifle or an Arca Plasmor ;-;

@syakir9336 2 года назад

Yeah I feel tenet diplos has higher chance of appearing than any other tenet weapons xD

@gallonofcats1097 2 года назад

I really hope that some kind of pity system is implemented for other types of loot evetually. I'am currently sitting on 4 "almost" complete sets of equinox. not a single "day chassis" after >50 runs. At least 4 of every other part. I really need that pity system for warframe parts, because I don't want to hear words "worthless ugly freak" ever again!

@SonicSanctuary 2 года назад

yeah really this should go game wide.

@getthegoons 2 года назад

Just make it so the part can't be the same as the last one dropped for most frames, and like, last 3 for Equinox.

@turbo_killer347 2 года назад

For equinox it should work like if it's day on Cetus it drops the day form and viceversa, I know they drop from your anus but who cares

@omenemo168 2 года назад

@@turbo_killer347 pooped but nothing came out lol

@WidowmakersAss 2 года назад

I feel like a lot of people would complain if frame parts were totally taken out of the loot pool as they’d call it too easy etc, so I think they should just change the percentages after a certain point. Like maybe after you get the three other parts the fourth one gets a 5-10% drop bonus

@skunkjumper1 2 года назад

As someone who is extremely unlucky I appreciate this change with every fiber of my being

@OP10thNakama 2 года назад

I absolutely love this new system. working my way towards a full set of 60%'s happily xD

@GlyphicEnigma 2 года назад

Every time I see a new video from you, I know there's a practical problem you've solved and I'm here for it!!

@edschramm6757 Год назад

As someone who did probably upwards of 200 capture runs looking to get the Kuva Hek when it released, I really appreciated this when I went for another Kuva weapon later. If I'm remembering correctly, I spent around 8 hours running 90 second capture missions, plus 15-30 seconds to reset and reload. That got really old really fast. To say nothing of the pain that came with hearing "change of plans" since I generally don't abort missions

@635574 2 года назад

Granum void should imo have larvaling on 3/3 completion of low, 2/3 T2 of medium and 1/3 of high so we actually have some reason to use the lower tier crowns besides another copy of the weapon or 2nd protea parts.

@mas8705 2 года назад

It is amazing how many people asked me “How did you get the Zarr?!” when I use it, I have to explain having to keep recycling the lichs by completing a mission over and over until one finally showed up. The good thing though is that between the last handful of Kuva Sisters I still need to grab and likely more that will pop up in the future, there is no better time than now for us to finally have something like this. At least the RNG Warframe is well known for is slightly more forgiving now in this situation.

@ddssrr1614 Год назад

This makes it more appealing to grind out all the weapon's & get multiple copy's to fuse to get 60% max stats. I just come back & didn't know this info. Thanks

@BonetheStreetwearCreator 2 года назад

I gave up on the grind before lich became a thing. I might try to get the weapons now.

@SpartanOli Год назад

That's a good beginning for the lich system.. Now they gotta tweak the rest of the grind.

@connordonigian5911 2 года назад

Great system; I wish they would make the Liches a little more friendly if you don't get the luck of having a group to take it down.

@hummuslord6521 2 года назад

the Kengineer has another video called "liches are easy to kill" that helped me a lot (might be called "beating Lich DR"). TLDR use octavia for the easiest possible run, you can just go invisible and let them beat themselves! The only other real roadblock is not having a Railjack, but unfortunately that's just a grind and there's no easy way to skip it. Thankfully the requirements were reduced quite a bit recently :) good luck!

@nflhd8678 2 года назад

Take Banshee with Gloom spam 2 and nuke them bastards

@LeyKT 2 года назад

Any invisible frames can solve your solo problem.

@underatededm93 2 года назад

it took me 3 hours to get the orgris to spawn before this system im so happy this change came the orgris is my fav weapon and now i can max it out without wanting to toaster bath

@zotbot9138 Год назад

4:35 this acctually happened to me while running sp first larvling was the bramma

@itsamekaizo4821 2 года назад

"man what a great system! i hope DE learns from this achievement and implement this in for other drop tables as well!" -Me, hopelessly thinking DE will implement this system for other drops and going insane farming Equinox, 2022

@UNSCPILOT 2 года назад

No joke I do hope this is eventually implemented into relics at the least

@marcellison9008 2 года назад

That is rly nice as i never got the ogris. Even tho i grinded all other kuva weapons already

@TheArcSet 2 года назад

Thanks for this.

@ilardozhejani3347 2 года назад

What a great change!

@marlonese 2 года назад

As a new player I appreciate this so much

@lHuskyy 2 года назад

Run the missions on solo mode, Esc to pause the game when u down the larvling and check if u need the weapon.

@georgiaguardian4696 2 года назад

I knew how grinds it was when it came out and I refused to farm them! Now I am starting to farm them again!

@WidowmakersAss 2 года назад

took me months to get my zarr, now I’m just glad if I want to get my 60% I can do it without worrying it’ll take me hours of my life again. this is also a great change for the fact you can now try out different elements and not worry it’ll take you 3 years to get your old one back if you end up hating the new one you got

@hammerheadcorvette4 2 года назад

Warframe, Where the "Early Adopters Tax" is 2yrs of pain...

@Nutochi 2 года назад

Can you please do a on-call crew guide? There so much wierd stuff with scaling and how some weapons behave (tenet flux bugging out for example) it would be of much help

@LiquidSoapDrinker 2 года назад

I wonder how the infested murmur is gonna work, I hope it works differently than the current, kill minion, stab person, repeat until confrontation

@FrostyTheDragon 2 года назад

For game coding reasons there's a good chance it won't change too much, sadly. I admit, one idea I had for the minions of an Infested nemesis works like "kill a bunch of lesser enemies near the minion, then stab the minion once they're full". Kind of like the second half of one of the Deimos bounty missions where you have to kill enemies within a certain radius of the bait. Might be a bit of a problem with some mission types, unfortunately. There's... probably not exactly that many other ways to do it without another big coding overhaul in the Murmur system.

@skincookiez7576 2 года назад

Hmm..maybe I will look for valance fusion now!

@jamesstaab6614 2 года назад

Great news for those whom havent farmed the weapons yet, but I have all of them. Maybe it could come in handy when/ if they introduce new weapons.

@darth_dan8886 2 года назад

We need to have something similar for boss warframe part drops... However, just using an identical system would feel cheap... But limiting the max number of runs to get that coveted 4th piece to about 16-20 would be brilliant.

@hamsterhotep 2 года назад

Been after the Tenet Arca Plasmor for ages, to no avail. After this change, I was finally motivated to grind for it. Ironically, the first thing that dropped was the Arcaplas. Weird...

@SPJ-88 2 года назад

Together with putting liches to the same planet according to rank, personally it sped up the whole lich hunting like 3 times shorter than what we got originally. DE is slow, but is improving the QoL for sure.

@whitemagus2000 2 года назад

Oh thank god. Finding the right tenet weapon has been one of the worst experiences I've had in Warframe. Caused me to take about a 6 month break out of frustration.

@YISP7 2 года назад

I feel you. Had like 40-50 runs for certain weapons🤡

@alphapu6644 2 года назад

A clan mate of mine had a bug where, instead of the rejected weapon (Kuva Karak) beeing blacklisted, every other Kuva weapon was blacklisted. I think after a dozen larvlings with Karak's he called it a day

@D0bb1e 2 года назад

I'm also getting the same ones again and again like before. The new system is clearly not working for me. Doing Hydra on Pluto, and I am completing the missing every time.

@mrsnikeersneerph4nt0m13 2 года назад

I once had to kill 42 larvalings to get the weapon I wanted this is such an improvement

@SilentAngel_YT 2 года назад

I just always took what ever weapon I was given I'm on kuva lich 78 at and sister lich 9 but took me from when grineer lich's were added till last month just to get all the ephemera's and last of the newest weapons DE added

@DefendYoungstown 2 года назад

wish this was in place other places. Ive been playing for YEARS, hit 30, and have yet to farm the BP to finally build the Brakk.

@mattkroll4464 2 года назад

Something I came across when running for a sister, once one spawns, go for it immediately, I had ended up leaving an invisible radius around them and it despawned as if I had rejected it.

@Wooskii1 2 года назад

Damnit, I just took a lich with a weapon I already have and don't really use out of frustration. Also traded for a Kuva Ayanga after 3 nights of hard farming. Good to hear for sure! Now I'll finally be motivated to kill that lich and move on lol.

@anamewithnoface1330 2 года назад

thank god. I remember going nearly 300 attempts dry. I feel like this shouldve shipped with liches.

@BradStarnes 2 года назад

Well, that's fortunate for people just getting into utilizing the lich/sister system. Sadly for me I did most of my lich weapon hunting before any updates, and all my tenet weapon hunting before this as well. Then add in the amounts of farming attempting to get all the ephemeras. Still, this is good for people farming specific weapon + element combos.

@Mahons 2 года назад

Yes this is something for me

@hawk8898 2 года назад

The next step is to add a pity system to Warframe farms

@HorrizonLP 2 года назад

Nice, I am wondering now if you already got a lets say 40 Toxin Kuva kOhm and you go for another one Witz Toxin, is it guaranteed to have a higher elementar statt than the Best you already on?

@poestis474 2 года назад

I think the most larvalings I have passed up trying to farm a specific weapon from the old system was about 93.

@crabwithknife 2 года назад

I hope something similar happens with regular Warframe parts because it probably took me 75 ish runs to get the last part I needed for harrow

@ether6521 2 года назад

Yeah it's pretty nice

@90snetworkproductions79 2 года назад

Wish there was a system to guarantee a sister of Parvos with an ephemera after 5, since the drop rate is 20%. After 8 different toxin corpus liches without one ephemera, time to use plat to solve that one, just need that and the magnetic one.

@aamodahegde1196 2 года назад

You said, if we get a weapon from the kuva larving, the pool will reset. So, if you are not sure if the weapon you are looking for got out of the pool or not we can just get the 1st weapon we see, finish the lich and then do the search for the weapons. Bringing the max number of runs need to 20.

@Alerik 2 года назад

Re kindle's my hope that was extinguished by Khora farm. I normally have bad luck with drops she was the most painful farm i have ever experienced in any game i have ever played.

@UsenameTakenWasTaken 2 года назад

After getting fifteen cycrons and those briefcase pistols in a row? Yeah, I'm happy.

@LiliumCruorem 2 года назад

I have gotten weirdly lucky with liches. First one ever was nukor and my second one was bramma and my third one was another toxin nukor xD i did get a hek and grattler after that which i wasn’t trying for but I got the two best kuva weaps before I even knew how good they were lol. If only my tenet grind was going that way... hopefully this pity system makes it less painful. I have only had the patience to do one sister since they came out.

@rafiulrafi9091 2 года назад

Help please, idk why the lights are not flickering after capture in cassini, I have finished the war within quest and do have a railjack, idk what I'm doing wrong

@Issalzul 2 года назад

Unlucky is me, 45 and 67 for my last two *sister* weapons! This is really welcome

@tomd1826 2 года назад

Before this change, it took me longer to find the correct larvling than it did to decipher the lich's requiem mods and take them down.

@javierhuizar4207 2 года назад

I'm going to need a Tenet Lenz.

@Gravesyte 2 года назад

I was doing ESO one day with a random with a lenz brought me back before the Kuva Brahma.

@anadorablestraycat5255 Год назад

good lord what is your amprex build?!

@garthneptune5748 2 года назад

Yo I was just thinking about this yesterday. You're a lifesaver man

@eggmatickgry6217 2 года назад

Can we get a “what weapon takes the longest to farm” for example the sibear and it 30,000 cryotic requirement

@roo3434 2 года назад

In other news, game full to the brim with powercreep becomes even easier.

@Solkard 2 года назад

If you’re going include human error in calculations, “worst case” would be multiple repeats of passing on the weapon you actually wanted into infinity.

@UNSCPILOT 2 года назад

I mean, that is just user error and can't be accounted for without more variables and testing

@TERRELLTURNER1999 2 года назад

Wish they would fix the lich ephermera percent possibility as well

@joshestes6597 2 года назад

I wish they would do something like this for ephemeras.

@nat040496 2 года назад

I just wish they’d buff the speed of actually obtaining the weapons after you get the desired larvaling. 2-3 hours for one weapon when you might need up to 10 for max valence sucks, and that’s just one of 19 weapons

@635574 2 года назад

Not sure if this can still happen, but there was an old bug that larvaling weapon icon didnt always load and or was invisible. If this happens now you might be even worse off than before if it was the weapon you wanted but you refuse because of bug. Edit: Actually if leaving mission doesnt use the pity then that is the only solution to fight the bug.

@Back10Fire 2 года назад

Don't finish the mission and it wont roll

@thunderhooves4400 2 года назад

Still happens all the time, at least on ps4

@harixauxeme911 2 года назад

It usually happens you're hunting sister of parvos. The treasurer spawning is the culprit for it, and just killing it makes the weapon offering show up as intended

@alexthehopeless3778 6 месяцев назад

It would be cool if the "reject pile" was reset if you weren't doing the eligible missions for 5 minutes or something like that so you could reset it manually

@cglucas44 Год назад

yeah Warframe is the most grinding game on the planet here the system that's still a lot of grinding. i've had days where hell I've had weeks where I didn't get anything. item I had like a week and a half where I didn't get one gold And I broke relics every day and we're not talking like one or two I would do like long runs for hours. They need to implement this across everything because it's kind of getting ridiculous.

@SplicerYT 2 года назад

Never really had a problem with grinding kuva or tenet weapons but I am kinda peed off that I didn’t know you can get better stats with certain weapons, depending on its progenitor an RNG luck. Wish I could trade already owned kuva/tenet weapons for new ones with better stats without all hassle of the nemesis system and forma investment.

@Jsnhlbr5 2 года назад

I recognize this comment is a little old, but I wanted to say that by using Valence Fusion you can keep your invested Forma (and a minimum bound on the bonus percentage) while having the option to change the element. You still have to go through the nemesis system to get your new copy to fuse, but the result will be a higher bonus percentage and the element you choose (via the progenitor warframe).

@Zzzanken 2 года назад

I was lucky enough to get the Zarr on my first run Except that I'm not good or stacked enough to get it...

@Tanblch 2 года назад

I wish they added ephemera indicator... got tired looking for them

@navelaika2910 2 года назад

That's actually great, now add pity system on relics

@SlyFox5679 2 года назад

I had a clan member that did 50 runs for fire diplos and never got it awhile ago and i did about 5 runs and got it for him. this pity system should've been released when the lich system for it first released. all my weapons are maxed out except for tenet melee's

@UNSCPILOT 2 года назад

It should be adapted for relics too honestly, even if a watered down version and or actually start giving out more void traces after cracking a relic so you don't need to open 5-10 relics just to be able to make find enough to radiant one or two

@Kags 2 года назад

Nice

@ahreuwu 2 года назад

there should be bad luck protection on many more drop sources in warframe. drop chances made me burn out and I haven't played in months after trying to deal with relics and the absurd grind of liches and rivens. out of my friends group, I tend to be the one that has to do the most amount of runs to get x thing we're farming separately. this happens consistently across several games, so pity systems are the best thing for me lol

@linhle8294 2 года назад

I remember when i ran about a hundred time to find the Kuva Zarr. Shiet just hates me for some reason

@Uncle_Iroh. 2 года назад

I need this kind of system for farming frames, The new ash is just.... Well he needs more than just this pity system but shit....

@revenone1077 2 года назад

At least with frames you can grind the plat and buy them.

@alvynchin1160 2 года назад

@@revenone1077 People do sell their liches also, so you can also buy it with plat if you want.

@chayz1884 2 года назад

Is there a way to just ditch the one you have, mines is over 100 and it’s just dum now

@Fortnite2Season1 2 года назад

Honestly I was fine doing a capture mission for up to 3 hours for the weapon I want

@hakimamirul8954 2 года назад

So, with this update, will the price for Lich contract on warframe market decrease?

@635574 2 года назад

Its an elimination system. A true Pity system like in gacha games pulls or lootboxes must guarante something that had too low odds to happen regardless.

@TizonaAmanthia 2 года назад

yeaaah, i was hunting for the Kuva Hek for ages, I'd get every weapon BUT I'd get the kuva tonkor, or seer, or like... weapons I do like but already have....yeah, grinding out 40 Cassini runs for the weapon you want? not fun. especially when it rolls low, and you realise. "i'm gonna have to do this all over again!"

@skymroy5090 2 года назад

do you have to finish the missi that the larving spawned on? i just did exterminates, latving, and then abort mission, and got kuva tonkor 2 times in a row. so i have to complete the mission?

@lXxImabeastxXl 2 года назад

You must finish the mission for it to be removed from the pool. Aborting the mission will keep the weapon in the pool (useful if you find a weapon you want but have the wrong progenitor frame at the time).

@andrewthag 2 года назад

17 cassini's just now to get the bramma 👌

@IRMentat 2 года назад

that's a pretty good move by DE.

@silentreaper5805 2 года назад

My very first time getting into litches was for the bramma, I had 60+ runs before I finally got it. It burnt me out, I haven’t picked up the game in I believe half a year cause of that, and I was really enjoying the game at the time

@danielgudi7446 2 года назад

Had something similar. I powered through one murmur just to see that I only got one relic that CAN drop it, failed to get it and just quit for a couple of months. Lich grind is still a heap of work but at least you can get the right weapon in a few tries.

@iijassimiijassim2125 Год назад

i got what i want after 16 runs and before that i choose the wrong weapon twice and had to play for 7h and my first time i got the weapon i need but i choose convert rather then kill because i didnt know the difference between convert and kill am i unlucky or dumb?

@tekfunk6299 2 года назад

I have no problem with not getting the desired weapon (if i knew them). Finished my fist kuva lich today after way over a year with not getting the right mod, just to find out that i need a railjack thing now to get it. Turned out nobody was playing railjack all the evening, nobody i could join, nothing. Stuck again, still no weapon.

@cy4n_knight_q8 2 года назад

I swear I keep getting the same kuva weapon over 8 runs. The chances of this are insane but annoying. Almost got all weapons except the kuva bramma which never showed up once

@kajita2048 2 года назад

I wonder how to change it back, like what if you want a weapon tomorrow you had denied to get 2 days ago? Things change in WF and what if you want the weapon to be removed from this list? 🤔

@TheKengineer 2 года назад

If you reject every weapon the whole system resets. The worst case scenario for this is if you reject just 1 Kuva weapon, then decide you want it. That means you'll need to down 19-37 larvlings to get back to it.

@Pabliell 2 года назад

I wish this system was in Warframe when I ran Cassini over 100 times to get Kuva Nukor...

@goofyahdemoman1134 2 года назад

What about the 3 levels of rng that killing the lich is locked behind?

@blank7467 Год назад

now add this to relics and we are cooking with gas

@Blockinstaller12 2 года назад

I'm still trying to kill my very first lich, but I just don't get Vome from the relics... Maybe he'll die to old age soon.

@sortileges5474 2 года назад

What's that Amprex errant specter build?

@strugglingsoftwareengineer8698 2 года назад

for a player like me unluckiest dude in existence when it comes to luck thank god this is best update for me

@strugglingsoftwareengineer8698 2 года назад

just got my kuva nukor FINALLY

@Szujhinzu 2 года назад

Wow, this really is a good change. I'm surprised they could come with such a convenient system in a game known for being a grindfest. Anyway, good job, DE.